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Wednesday, November 01, 2017

OT - November* 2017 College Football thread

The longest month.


* 30 days hath November, except in the college football thread where it runs through Championship Week.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 01, 2017 at 09:48 AM | 542 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Mike Webber Posted: November 24, 2017 at 01:47 PM (#5580744)
1-10 Baylor giving TCU all they can handle, with TCU up 21-19 at halftime in Fort Worth.

College football used to own this day, but the breakdown of traditional conferences I think the college basketball matchups are better today than the college football matchups, generally speaking.

<Old Fogey> I miss the OU vs NEB and UT and A&M games </Old Fogey>
   202. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 24, 2017 at 02:04 PM (#5580752)
Backyard Brawl. Border War. Keg of Nails. But, hey, gotta make that TV money.
   203. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 24, 2017 at 02:23 PM (#5580761)
Pitt again leading by three and has driven to the Miami 10. I expect the dumbest turnover possible any second.
   204. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 24, 2017 at 02:29 PM (#5580764)
nice reverse jinx
   205. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 24, 2017 at 02:36 PM (#5580767)
Big stop to close out the quarter. Pitt looks hyped. I really hate rooting for them but I think it's called for here.
   206. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 24, 2017 at 03:16 PM (#5580782)
It would've been Peak 2017 Miami if Pickett had lost the ball at the pylon for a touchback.
   207. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 24, 2017 at 03:23 PM (#5580789)
Or maybe the ultimate horseshoe-up-the-ass team just scores three times in the final 2:16.
   208. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 24, 2017 at 03:37 PM (#5580796)
Miami is one insane rain storm at halftime away from "losing to Paul Johnson even though you had an extra week to prepare" and completing the Full Richting.
   209. Mike Webber Posted: November 24, 2017 at 03:39 PM (#5580798)
I'm guessing Miami can't fall below Notre Dame, but they fall to 6th in the rankings next week. Wait no, Ohio State has to pass them with the Michigan win, so they fall to 7th.
   210. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 24, 2017 at 03:41 PM (#5580799)
If South Florida wins this game, after blowing its own undefeated season by giving up a 4th-and-24 conversion to Houston, I will be irate.
   211. Quaker Posted: November 24, 2017 at 03:45 PM (#5580801)
Yes, beating the 4th place team in the Big Ten East will certainly give OSU a big bump. /eyeroll
   212. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 24, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5580813)
I always like when the option pitch doesn't happen until the quarterback's several yards past the line of scrimmage.
   213. Mike Webber Posted: November 24, 2017 at 04:37 PM (#5580819)
While I whined earlier about the match ups today, there are two games right now that could be good Thanksgiving games, Nebraska vs Iowa and Mizzou vs Arkansas. The quality this year isn't so hot, but those are at least bordering states, where football does mean something.
I can only assume these games will be moved to Columbus day weekend ASAP.
   214. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 24, 2017 at 06:14 PM (#5580826)
Someone upthread said that this could be the year we get a 2-loss team in. With Miami's loss, the odds of a 2-loss team have to be near or over 50% this year. If Auburn wins out (22% chance on 538.com), they are in the playoffs. Now, even if you say the "no 2-loss team" rule has an SEC West exception (a stretch...), there's still OSU. If OSU wins out (43% chance on 538.com), even if Alabama loses in the title game to 1-loss Georgia and OU wins out, OSU still probably gets the nod over Alabama (though admittedly this could be very close). In any other circumstance OSU would be the strong favorite for the 4th spot by winning out.

   215. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 24, 2017 at 06:31 PM (#5580829)
While I whined earlier about the match ups today, there are two games right now that could be good Thanksgiving games, Nebraska vs Iowa and Mizzou vs Arkansas.

and don't forget Okie-Brasky and Texas-Texas A&M, both of which always used to be played Thanksgiving weekend

(OK, so I'm old)
   216. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 24, 2017 at 06:56 PM (#5580832)
Nobody needed the studio update about the Bielema firing everybody knew was coming.
   217. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 24, 2017 at 07:14 PM (#5580835)
UCF's defense not exactly covering itself in glory those two plays.
   218. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 24, 2017 at 07:15 PM (#5580836)
The return unit, on the other hand...
   219. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 24, 2017 at 07:20 PM (#5580837)
Awww, a quintessential Flutie Friday game can't end on a fumble!
   220. Howie Menckel Posted: November 24, 2017 at 07:27 PM (#5580840)
stumbled onto UCF vs USF at 35-34 with 3 minutes left.
then 42-34 then 42-42 then 49-42 then USF at midfield with a minute left and 2 timeouts and then.... yeah, I feel bad for the fumbler.

two teams combined at 19-1, plus the wild game plus it's the rivalry game plus the wild finish - there must be a formula that quantifies what we just saw
   221. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 24, 2017 at 09:29 PM (#5580858)
It wasn't that long ago -- though it seems like ages -- that Virginia Tech was trucking most teams and putting up a shocking number of points while doing so. And then the calendar turned to November, and the Hokie offense turned back into the Hokie offense.
   222. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 24, 2017 at 10:32 PM (#5580867)
Plenty of good seats available at the Rose Bowl for Cal-UCLA...
   223. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 12:13 AM (#5580880)
Shades of Michael Crabtree.
   224. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 25, 2017 at 12:34 AM (#5580882)
You'll never believe this, but Josh Rosen took a hard hit.
   225. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: November 25, 2017 at 11:52 AM (#5580937)
Chip Kelly to UCLA, spurning Florida, which had a multiple week head start.

Good hire for UCLA, and another dispiriting failure for a Florida football program that has seen nothing but dispiriting failures for the better part of a decade.
   226. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 12:18 PM (#5580941)
Weird start as Georgia's kickoff lands inside the 10 and bounces off the Georgia Tech returner's hands around the five and rolls into the end zone. He runs back and tries to bring it out only to get hit inside the one and driven back. The play is reviewed, and because he attempted to shade his eyes from the sun -- losing it in the sun seems to be why it managed to drop in the first place -- it's ruled an invalid fair catch, so the ball is dead where he first gained possession. Touchback.
   227. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 12:19 PM (#5580942)
Florida State with an immediate defensive touchdown. That's not the Florida offense I know.
   228. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 12:40 PM (#5580945)
Fox doesn't just run commercials between plays during baseball games, it seems.
   229. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 12:53 PM (#5580947)
Will there be a single score in Florida State-Florida that isn't a defensive return or off a short field after a turnover?
   230. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 25, 2017 at 01:00 PM (#5580948)
How is Oklahoma/WV a “rivalry game?”
   231. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 25, 2017 at 01:07 PM (#5580949)
You see, when one team punishes another team without fail, the Big 12 decides that it is better to give their frontrunner a guaranteed W before the championship game. And so a rivalry is born.

What's horrible is that I am going to watch every second of that curb stomping and look for glimmers of hope before the program peaks in 2018.

So does UF go Frost or bust? Who is the back up after that?

UM with a pretty much perfect start but O$U is driving.
   232. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: November 25, 2017 at 01:16 PM (#5580951)

So does UF go Frost or bust? Who is the back up after that?


Frost does seem to be the next target. If he goes to Nebraska, it would mean that Florida had lost its top two targets to UCLA and Nebraska. No disrespect to those programs, but that would be pretty humiliating.

Other names that have been mentioned include Mullen, Holgerson, Leach and Taggart.
   233. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 01:17 PM (#5580952)
Seven-point swing on that drop of a Barrett gift.
   234. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 25, 2017 at 01:31 PM (#5580955)
Spurrier
   235. greenback wears sandals on his head Posted: November 25, 2017 at 01:33 PM (#5580956)
Well, the first quarter was fun.
   236. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 02:19 PM (#5580959)
The disparity in the way holding is being called will certainly give Michigan conspiracy theorists plenty of ammunition.
   237. greenback wears sandals on his head Posted: November 25, 2017 at 02:22 PM (#5580960)
The disparity in the way holding is being called will certainly give Michigan conspiracy theorists plenty of ammunition.

Yeah, Michigan fans aren't happy now, and legitimately so, but Don Brown's secondary is as handsy as anyone.
   238. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 03:04 PM (#5580965)
I can't stand screens and draws on 3rd-and-miles. Chuck it 50 yards and at least give yourself a chance. Why be afraid of the arm-punt?
   239. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: November 25, 2017 at 03:10 PM (#5580966)
FSU DB intercepts a Feleipe Franks pass, has an open field ahead of him, tumbles into the end zone for an apparent game-clinching pick six, picks up a celebration penalty, then replay shows that he was down before crossing the goal line, and with the penalty the ball is moved back to the 15-yard-line.

Almost certainly won't cost FSU - even a field goal makes this a three-possession game. But still amusing.
   240. nick swisher hygiene Posted: November 25, 2017 at 03:23 PM (#5580967)
So I don't follow the Big 10 at ALL, but how does Michigan end up with a high-school JV level starting QB?
   241. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5580969)
The two guys who are above him on the depth chart being out with injury.


Michigan lucky that was 3rd-and-1, which enticed Ohio State to run instead of continuing to pick up every third down with a pass.
   242. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 03:33 PM (#5580970)
Where the hell was O'Korn throwing that to?

Immediately explained by Joel Klatt. See, commentary's not always worthless.
   243. greenback wears sandals on his head Posted: November 25, 2017 at 03:40 PM (#5580971)
The two guys who are above him on the depth chart being out with injury.

O'Korn was the #2 for a while, ahead of Peters, apparently because Peters was too quiet. The coaching staff has kinda admitted they screwed that up.

The o-line -- which is at least partially responsible for the two hurt QB's -- and QB play from Michigan this year really should take Harbaugh's rep down a peg.
   244. Howie Menckel Posted: November 25, 2017 at 03:52 PM (#5580973)
Peters left last week's game against Wisconsin after being pile-driven into the ground. If he was in the NFL, that rusher would have left the field in handcuffs (mild exaggeration).

agree that when your guy makes the worst INT drop of the year and your opponent scores a couple of plays later, you deserve to lose - even moreso for not taking advantage of Ohio St having a backup QB in for the last 20 minutes or so.

first time Ohio St EVER bounced back from being down 14 to Michigan and won. that was a cool graphic.
   245. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 04:01 PM (#5580974)
Announcers are constantly lobbying for teams to kick immediate field goals when trailing by two scores late, and Michigan sitting at the 35 with 11 seconds left was about the only time it would actually be justified. Any throw to the end zone eats up most of the clock, leaving you with a Hail Mary after the onside kick. The same goes for the field goal, but the kick has a reasonable chance to be made instead of almost certainly being a clock-eating failure like the throw.
   246. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 04:05 PM (#5580975)
War damn eagle.
   247. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 04:17 PM (#5580976)
Blurgh.
   248. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 06:00 PM (#5580982)
That was a monumentally dumb throw that deserved to be punished.
   249. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 06:02 PM (#5580983)
And in the end it works out better than if the throw'd been picked off for a touchback.
   250. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 06:24 PM (#5580985)
The self-destruction makes this better.
   251. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: November 25, 2017 at 06:25 PM (#5580986)
Alabama getting away with this because Auburn had 12 men on the field would be the most Alabama thing ever.
   252. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 06:26 PM (#5580987)
If Alabama gets away with having the entire offense in motion at the snap...
   253. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: November 25, 2017 at 06:31 PM (#5580988)
This seems like a relevant time for my annual no-one-agrees-with-me argument that the current 12 men on the field penalty is kind of ridiculously strict and pedantic. When the 12th man "on the field" is 35 yards away from the play when the ball is snapped, sprinting toward the sideline and two steps away from being off the field, it seems a little silly to call a penalty there.
   254. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 06:42 PM (#5580992)
I'd agree with that. If you can have an exception to pass interference for an uncatchable ball, you can have one for too many men temporarily on the field having no impact on the play.
   255. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: November 25, 2017 at 07:06 PM (#5580994)
War Damn Eagle
   256. Howie Menckel Posted: November 25, 2017 at 07:12 PM (#5580996)
I know the NCAA and TV execs already have worked it through in their minds, but what do they need to get their beloved Alabama-Ohio St combo each into the playoff?
   257. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 25, 2017 at 07:21 PM (#5580998)
ASU (35) and UofA (30) in a weird one w/13 minutes remaining. Tate is hurt and hasn't played the second half. Coincidentally, in the third quarter, the Sun Devils put up 21 unanswered.
   258. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: November 25, 2017 at 07:26 PM (#5581000)
I know the NCAA and TV execs already have worked it through in their minds, but what do they need to get their beloved Alabama-Ohio St combo each into the playoff?
mid-air collision
   259. simpleton & childlike gef the talking mongoose Posted: November 25, 2017 at 07:28 PM (#5581001)
I suppose that means Arkansas is less likely to get Malzahn as a head coach. Not that it matters a whole lot -- anyone on this board would be an improvement over Bielema, I'm pretty sure. Harveys (RIP) was right about him from the get-go, & as a result I opposed him before he ever coached a game for the Hogs.
   260. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 25, 2017 at 08:08 PM (#5581007)
As far as I’m concerned, ASU exceeded my expectations this year and I want Graham to stay.
   261. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 08:20 PM (#5581008)
I know the NCAA and TV execs already have worked it through in their minds, but what do they need to get their beloved Alabama-Ohio St combo each into the playoff?

They're definitely in line behind Clemson/Miami, Auburn/Georgia, 12-1 Oklahoma and 13-0 Wisconsin, so at minimum Oklahoma and Wisconsin have to lose. Then it's anybody's guess what hodgepodge of criteria the committee decides to use in differentiating the ~eight teams that could argue for the last two spots.

Or what criteria the committee cites to justify its choices. Six of one...
   262. Howie Menckel Posted: November 25, 2017 at 08:49 PM (#5581014)
Bowl eligibles

SEC - 10 out of 14
ACC - 10 out of 14*
Pac 10 - 9 out of 12
Big Ten - 8 out of 14
Big 12 - 8 out of 10

Conference USA - 9 out of 14**
American - 7 out of 12
Mid-American - 7 out of 12
Mountain West - 6 out of 12
Sunbelt - 5 out of 12***
Independents - 2 out of 4

* - assumes Fla St beats UL-Monroe next week
** - or 10 if La Tech beats UTSA tonight
*** - assumes New Mexico St beats South Alabama and Louisiana doesn't beat App St next week

do they still have that thing where some games don't count? if so, a couple of 6-6 teams in bad leagues might be out

otherwise it's roughly 45 big fish and 36 minnows

after playoff picks, 41 big fish and 36 minnows

looks like there's only 36 non-playoff bowl games this year, with the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl - which liked to invite mediocre Pac-12 teams, Navy, TCU, or Northern Illinois (wtf) for its 12-year existence - going under. The Frisco Bowl (that's TX, not CA) replaces the Miami Beach Bowl. so no 5-7s, and a few bad 6-6s will not get a chair when the music stops, either.

tough to pick a favorite bowl name from, for example:
AutoNation Cure Bowl
Raycom Media Camellia Bowl
Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl
Dollar General Bowl
Wendy's Adopt-a-Child Bowl
Walk On's Independence Bowl
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl
Taxslayer Bowl

ok, I made ONE of those names up
   263. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 08:52 PM (#5581016)
Louisiana

Lafayette.
   264. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 08:59 PM (#5581020)
Tee Higgins is gonna be such a beast.
   265. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 25, 2017 at 09:12 PM (#5581025)
If Clemson and ND win I'd guess

Clemson
Oklahoma
Auburn
Wisconsin
Alabama
Georgia
Miami
Ohio State
Notre Dame
USC

With the ACC and SEC winners being locks for the playoff.

I'm curious how they decide between Ohio State and Bama if Oklahoma wins next week, and wonder if whether Auburn or GA wins matter to make that decision.
   266. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 09:26 PM (#5581026)
Washington having its way in the Apple Cup, and that inexcusable loss to Arizona State looms large.
   267. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: November 25, 2017 at 09:32 PM (#5581027)
Looks like UCLA is going to hire Chip Kelly.

This Oregon fan is *not* happy.

I miss the OU vs NEB


That was the first matchup that disappeared that I really felt aggrieved over. College football without Oklahoma-Nebraska is like baseball without Dodgers-Giants.
   268. Howie Menckel Posted: November 25, 2017 at 09:42 PM (#5581029)
Louisiana


Lafayette.


The school is now self-identifying as "Louisiana" - but it is VERY complicated.
   269. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 10:00 PM (#5581033)
It's not that complicated. Lafayette is dishonestly identifying itself as the state's flagship university. Like stupid bowl names, nobody else has any obligation to go along with it.
   270. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 25, 2017 at 10:21 PM (#5581034)
Ridiculous Notre Dame spot stands despite a review showing it to be clearly wrong. Because Pac-12 officials can't even be counted on to be bad in the conference's favor; just bad.
   271. Howie Menckel Posted: November 25, 2017 at 10:32 PM (#5581038)
this is the case against Alabama, but I'll believe it when I see it

give Saban an extra month, and his team might improve enough to be competitive. but as noted, with that pitiful schedule, they don't deserve a shot.
   272. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: November 25, 2017 at 10:58 PM (#5581040)
this is the case against Alabama, but I'll believe it when I see it

give Saban an extra month, and his team might improve enough to be competitive. but as noted, with that pitiful schedule, they don't deserve a shot.
the committee just set a precedent last year for a program like alabama to be taken over the 2-loss conference champion that beat them.

if auburn jumps wisconsin this week, the SEC will get two teams in the playoff.
   273. Mike Webber Posted: November 25, 2017 at 11:11 PM (#5581042)
A couple Notre Dame turnovers and this one is about done...

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Auburn jumps both Wisky and OU... the question is if Bama falls below either.

The past couple of years the Big 12 has screwed itself out of the playoff by giving the committee the excuse that there was no championship game. I can only assume that the Big 12 screws itself out of the playoffs with OU losing the conference championship game this season.
   274. Howie Menckel Posted: November 26, 2017 at 01:00 AM (#5581044)
does anyone believe this?

Dan Wolken‏Verified account @DanWolken
2m2 minutes ago

When you look at Clemson’s wins, there is absolutely a scenario where they lose to Miami and still get in. They’d probably be ahead of Bama and Ohio State.
   275. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 26, 2017 at 01:37 AM (#5581046)
Bama will absolutely fall out of the top 4. They need at least one of Wisconsin and OU to lose, and I think it would have to be OU.
   276. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 26, 2017 at 10:14 AM (#5581072)
I'm not a NCAA Football maven by a long shot, but it seems to me the final 4 should be pretty clear. ACC champ, whoever it is. SEC champ ditto. Wisconson and OU if they win, Alabama if OU loses, Alabama and OSU if OU loses and OSU wins. The only tough decision is if OU and OSU win. Then it's a choice between OSU and Alabama. I don't see any path for USC, or Clemson if they lose.
   277. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 26, 2017 at 10:27 AM (#5581076)
What Miserlou said.
   278. Voodoo Posted: November 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM (#5581078)
Auburn-Alabama rematch in the national championship!
   279. PeteF3 Posted: November 26, 2017 at 10:53 AM (#5581083)
One key difference between OSU last year and Alabama this year is that OSU had three top-10 wins. Alabama has none. Their best win as of the last CFP rankings was Mississippi State and that will change after Thursday night. Their next-best win is an LSU team that couldn't beat Troy. They really don't have a better resume than Wisconsin.
   280. nick swisher hygiene Posted: November 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM (#5581091)
276--Mostly agreed, but: why does a 2-loss OSU get in over a 2-loss OU, considering head to head?

OU and Wiscy both losing seems to set up a nightmare of arbitrariness....
   281. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 26, 2017 at 11:53 AM (#5581097)
276--Mostly agreed, but: why does a 2-loss OSU get in over a 2-loss OU, considering head to head?


Conf. champ. Now that's not the final word, as I think Alabama would be more deserving than TCU or USC or Stanford, but it should have a heavy weighting. If a team has a reasonable argument, I think the conf champ should go ahead of a more or less equal team who lost the conf championship. Also, how could you justify sending OU instead of a TCU team that just beat them?
   282. Howie Menckel Posted: November 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM (#5581099)
when I and many others wanted a playoff, many said it was a dumb idea.
after 2 teams, we wanted 4 - same response.
now it's 4.

does anyone want to go backwards?

if not, are you ready to go to 8 teams? THAT'S the right number.
   283. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2017 at 12:29 PM (#5581107)
Your dumb idea will never get any less dumb.
   284. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 26, 2017 at 12:30 PM (#5581108)
if not, are you ready to go to 8 teams? THAT'S the right number.


No. I hate the NCAA the way I hate the IOC and FIFA, but the current version of their MNC is the correct version. While there are always going to be two or three teams who feel "snubbed" in any given year, expanding the brackets will never remove that. Look no further than the NCAA's basketball tournament for proof there. No team that misses the field of 4 can say they didn't do it to themselves, barring an undefeated conference champion getting left out at some point. And like others, I find that really hard to believe will happen. Alabama doesn't make it? Win the Iron Bowl. OSU doesn't make it? Don't lose to Iowa, chief. The only scenario for a team to have an unquestionably valid complaint would be a power-5 undefeated conf champion getting left out, and that's HIGHLY unlikely.
   285. dlf Posted: November 26, 2017 at 12:49 PM (#5581115)
I'm an Alabama fan and would be happy if they made it. But I certainly wouldn't vote for them baring a series of plane crashes in the final week. Their dominant wins were much earlier in the season and their much vaunted defense was pushed around by Mississippi State and LSU, not to mention 400+ yards from Auburn. The offense has sputtered the second half of the season. Jalen Hurts reverted to form - look for one receiver and one receiver only on a route. And neither O nor D could make 3rd down count against the non-UTs / Vandys of the SEC.

One bitter note: Auburn's defense has won its last two games - in part - by being allowed to mug the opponents receivers playing on the Plains. I wonder what happens when they are in neutral Atlanta or elsewhere in the Bowls / BCS.
   286. SoSH U at work Posted: November 26, 2017 at 12:50 PM (#5581116)
but the current version of their MNC is the correct version.


There is only one correct version, but the NCAA (or any sports organization) would never embrace it.

The only legitimate playoff system in college football is the floating one, where the number of teams invited into the playoff aren't known until after the regular season has been completed. If it's three, the No. 2 and No. 3 play for the right to play No. 1. If it's five, 4 and 5 play, etc. Or if it's a season like 2005-06, then you just move Texas and USC into the title game.

The problem with the playoff, any playoff, is that the number of deserving teams varies year to year, so fixing the number of participants creates issues at the edges (neither 4 and 5 are necessarily deserving, but they're equally so).

A floating playoff would allow seasons when the regular season clearly identifies the top two teams (05-06) to keep the undeservings out, or grow to eight teams when you've got a ########### like 07-08. It also ensures the value of the regular season, since teams wouldn't be assured of still working their way into the title game with a loss on the ledger.

However, since this has no chance of ever happening, then the best model was the pre-playoff one, since while it couldn't guarantee a neat ending (no system can), it did the best job of making each game in the regular season of supreme importance.
   287. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: November 26, 2017 at 01:39 PM (#5581126)
   288. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2017 at 01:49 PM (#5581131)
As far as I’m concerned, ASU exceeded my expectations this year and I want Graham to stay.
Welp, so much for that.
   289. Brian C Posted: November 26, 2017 at 04:14 PM (#5581172)
ike Mullen for Florida. Sigh.

This is awful news as far as I'm concerned. It really shows how far Florida's program has fallen in the eyes of the greater CFB community if Mullen is the best they could do. Or alternatively, it speaks to a very conservative mindset by Stricklin. Either way, it just reeks of uninspiration, for lack of a better word.

I'm pissed. I don't think there's any chance Mullen gets this job if his former boss wasn't AD. Put it this way - if Saban stepped down, would Alabama even look Mullen's way? I'm highly skeptical.
   290. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 26, 2017 at 04:47 PM (#5581180)
Greg Schiano?!
   291. Athletic Supporter wants to move your money around Posted: November 26, 2017 at 04:56 PM (#5581184)
Um, it is likely there is an undefeated team this year that misses the playoffs. "Power 5" is kind of an arbitrary designation.

It won't happen, but if Oklahoma or Wisconsin does lose, I'd like to see UCF in the playoffs. I think that's the right field -- in a world where the 4th best team has a serious black mark (whoever it is), give the undefeated team a shot.
   292. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: November 26, 2017 at 05:09 PM (#5581188)
Mullen has a lot of virtues, but he is, at best, Florida's Plan C. The fact that UF got the stiff arm from both Chip Kelly and Scott Frost is pretty dispiriting. Yes, yes, Kelly is a "west coast guy" and Frost is a Nebraska legend, but Urban Meyer was a Midwestern Catholic who dreamed of Notre Dame and UF was still able to beat out the Irish for him. It says something ominous about Florida's place in the college football firmament that they weren't able to reel in either of their top two choices.

As for Mullen...I mean, in a vacuum he's a perfectly defensible hire. But he's not regarded as a particularly dynamic recruiter, and I continue to believe that Florida's biggest problem is a lack of talent. I don't think he'll be a failure. But I worry he'll end up putting Florida on the same path McElwain seemed to be on before he imploded this year: a series of solid, respectable 9 and 10-win seasons without ever really threatening Alabama or the other elite.
   293. dlf Posted: November 26, 2017 at 05:19 PM (#5581191)
Put it this way - if Saban stepped down, would Alabama even look Mullen's way? I'm highly skeptical.


Before he went home to UGA, I thought that Kirby Smart was next in line, but I don't see him leaving as a success and if he isn't a success, I doubt 'bama brings him back. I suspect that if Saban were to decide to hang 'em up, they would make a big pitch to buy out Dabo Sweeny and bring him back to where he won a national championship as a player. If that wouldn't work, I *think* that they've advanced enough in the four decades that they wouldn't repeat their post-Bryant years where the next coach had to be one of the Bear's boys. But to answer your question, no, there is no way that Mullen would succeed Saban in Tuscaloosa.

It won't happen, but if Oklahoma or Wisconsin does lose, I'd like to see UCF in the playoffs. I think that's the right field -- in a world where the 4th best team has a serious black mark (whoever it is), give the undefeated team a shot.


My younger child was just admitted to UCF earlier this Fall. I've never before followed their team, but have been able to start seeing a few games on TV. Looks like a fun offense. I'd like to see them matched up against OU to see if the two could combine for 120 points.
   294. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: November 26, 2017 at 05:21 PM (#5581192)
This is awful news as far as I'm concerned. It really shows how far Florida's program has fallen in the eyes of the greater CFB community if Mullen is the best they could do. Or alternatively, it speaks to a very conservative mindset by Stricklin. Either way, it just reeks of uninspiration, for lack of a better word.

what was the wishlist here?

if you could snag peterson or patterson, by all means go for it, but USC, texas, LSU, oregon, miami and georgia tried to pry them away for the last two years, and your job isn't any better than theirs.

do you really want to sell your soul to someone like leach or petrino or dantonio? mullen's as good a coach as any of them, and he doesn't need a 747 to get his baggage to tallahassee.

chip kelly might have been better, but he turned you down. it happens. and there's a pretty good chance he has andy reid syndrome, in which case mullen will be a better hire than him anyway.


mullen's a very solid B/B+ hire. if you buy him a great coaching staff, that hire turns into an A. find a QB, recruit smart in a loaded state and don't shoot yourself in the foot too many times, you can win a national title. that's the mack brown/mark richt/les miles formula, which sounds like an insult - and it is - but it's more effective than whatever the hell you've been doing.
   295. Brian C Posted: November 26, 2017 at 05:26 PM (#5581194)
Mullen seems like a vague equivalent to Gus Malzahn to me: a lot of wondering what the hell is going on spiked with a seemingly fluky great year now and again. I'm not hugely worried that he'll completely implode like McElwain ended up doing, but it's puzzling to me that they couldn't do better.

I don't know anything, of course, but I wonder if they're not going to look stupid for not giving Norvell a harder look. A 36-year-old going 10-1 at Memphis kinda screams "coaching prodigy" to me. I suspect, however, that his youth - which makes him so intriguing to me - is precisely what made UF gunshy about him.
   296. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: November 26, 2017 at 05:32 PM (#5581199)
As for Mullen...I mean, in a vacuum he's a perfectly defensible hire. But he's not regarded as a particularly dynamic recruiter, and I continue to believe that Florida's biggest problem is a lack of talent. I don't think he'll be a failure.

you don't need to be a dynamic recruiter in florida or texas or california. you just need to have a good eye and develop talent when they get on campus.

what kills you at USC and texas and florida isn't bad recruiting classes, it's signing overrated players and/or failing to develop them. also: not having a damn QB.


   297. Brian C Posted: November 26, 2017 at 05:33 PM (#5581200)
By the way, I was sort of relieved when Kelly passed on the UF job. It's not that I couldn't see the appeal, but that had the potential to go really badly haywire. A guy who's publicly said he dislikes recruiting and has a history of major NCAA trouble and seemed reluctant to get on board in the first place ... no thanks. Good luck to him at UCLA.
   298. Dreadful Foie Gras Posted: November 26, 2017 at 05:38 PM (#5581201)
Since post 244 referenced a play without providing any video here is the play for anyone interested

Wisconsin defender tackles Michigan quarterback
   299. Brian C Posted: November 26, 2017 at 05:38 PM (#5581202)
you don't need to be a dynamic recruiter in florida or texas or california. you just need to have a good eye and develop talent when they get on campus.

I think this was true 25 years ago, and maybe even 10 years ago, but now the whole country is in recruiting those states. Florida, Texas, and CA schools don't just end up with all the best players by default. What happens is that all those guys who are dynamic recruiters are in your backyard signing those guys while you're being complacent about geography.
   300. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 26, 2017 at 05:50 PM (#5581205)
My younger child was just admitted to UCF earlier this Fall.


My oldest has been accepted to UCF for fall 2018, but it's his fallback position. He has his sights set on UF or GaTech.
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