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Friday, November 01, 2019

OT - November* 2019 College Football thread

* As is tradition, the November thread runs through Championship Week before giving way to the Bowl Spectacular.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 01, 2019 at 08:00 AM | 232 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:52 AM (#5897640)
I'm taking Appalachian State's loss as a blessing. Absolutely no one wanted to see a Sun Belt team get run over in the Cotton Bowl.
   2. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 01, 2019 at 01:32 AM (#5897644)
I'm taking Appalachian State's loss as a blessing. Absolutely no one wanted to see a Sun Belt team get run over in the Cotton Bowl.
going undefeated this year would have meant beating north carolina, plus south carolina, both on the road. they also put up 38 in a loss at penn state last year.


if they could have pulled off 13-0, they would have earned a NY6 bowl. and while they might not have had 50/50 odds of winning it, they'd have been around 40/60, at worst.


and if memory serves, they also would have lost millions of dollars because of forced ticket buys.
   3. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: November 01, 2019 at 09:23 AM (#5897676)
So, uh, how fraudulent are my Golden Gophers? They had a hard time beating cupcakes at the start of the season but have been n rolling the last month or so. 538 gives them about a 1/3 change to beat Penn State. Does that seem right or is that way too high?
   4. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:00 AM (#5897716)
FPI has them ranked 20th, Sagarin 24th. FPI has them at 27% to beat PSU (ranked 5th, same as Sagarin). Early odds had Minn at about +7 (at home).
   5. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:12 AM (#5897724)
538 likes Minn much more than FPI and Sagarin (and betting odds) I think. 538 has them at 2% to win out, including the conference championship game. FPI has them at under 1%.

edit: well the difference between 538 and FPI (run by 538) is because of the below (from 538's explanation). So the difference depends on whether you think the AP poll has good insight on Minnesota this year. Considering that decent or mediocre (but not great) undefeated teams are almost always over-ranked, I would be inclined to side more with FPI/Sagarin on this one.

Games are simulated mostly using ESPN’s Football Power Index. We say “mostly” because we’ve also found that giving a little weight to the playoff committee’s weekly rankings of the top 25 teams helps add to the predictions’ accuracy. (We use the Associated Press Top 25 poll as a proxy for the committee’s rankings until the first set of rankings is released in the second half of the season.) Specifically, the model’s game-by-game forecasts are based on a combination of FPI ratings and committee (or AP) rankings — 75 percent on FPI and 25 percent on the rankings.



   6. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5897733)
So, uh, how fraudulent are my Golden Gophers? They had a hard time beating cupcakes at the start of the season but have been n rolling the last month or so. 538 gives them about a 1/3 change to beat Penn State. Does that seem right or is that way too high?
the offense seems legit.
the defense is suspect.
they're very well coached.


i don't think it's likely that they'll be embarrassed in any of the games on their remaining schedule, but they'll probably lose at least 2 of them.


i took a few shots at minnesota a couple of weeks ago, but after MIN has won their last 3 games by a combined 128-24, i have a lot more respect for them than when they came off a 38-31 win over purdue.
   7. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:58 AM (#5897745)
FPI has the Purdue win (on the road) as a tie for Minnesota's best game this year, along with the home wins against Nebraska and Maryland. The reality is that Minnesota has played no one even halfway decent yet, so it's a bit hard to get a read on them. That's about to change with PSU, Iowa, and Wisconsin. Considering the remaining schedules of the B1G teams, it will be fairly surprising if Minnesota makes the B1G championship, despite their current 2-game edge over Iowa and Wisconsin.
   8. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:57 PM (#5897797)
I would like to know what the prop bet odds were for '8 teams advancing to the B1G CCG' before Michigan's first appearance.
   9. Mike Webber Posted: November 01, 2019 at 01:08 PM (#5897802)
#8
I would like to know what the prop bet odds were for '8 teams advancing to the B1G CCG' before Michigan's first appearance.


The Bellagio would like to introduce our new majority share holder Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams)
   10. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 01, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5897820)
I always love to try to dig up odds, but I couldn't interpret the question.
   11. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 01, 2019 at 01:41 PM (#5897824)
I recognize it is a weird prop. It is 2011, and the B1G CCG has its first Conference Championship Game. Who would bet/believe that 8 schools would send a team to the CCG before mighty Michigan.

Mich St., Wisconsin, Nebraska, Ohio St. Iowa, Penn State, Northwestern, and (maybe this season) Minnesota.
   12. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 01, 2019 at 02:01 PM (#5897833)
Oh right. No idea, but maybe not as crazy as you might think. Michigan was unranked coming into the year, with Nebraska and Michigan State (in their East division at that time) both ranked significantly above them, and with Wisconsin, PSU, and OSU also ranked above them in the West.

Turns out Michigan had a very good year, and started 2012 as the top ranked B1G team, but with some stiff competition in Michigan State and Nebraska (in their East, with Nebraska eventually winning) and Wisconsin in the West. After than OSU became a force in 2013, and then (to ice the cake for Michigan) moved into the East in 2014.
   13. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 01, 2019 at 02:12 PM (#5897837)
Some of the damage had already been done by 2014, with Wisconsin, Michigan State (2011), Nebraska (2012) and Ohio State (2013) already reaching the championship game before the realignment, but of course OSU moving both shut the door for Michigan, who hasn't managed to finish above them in the East (mostly due to their 7 straight years of losses), and opened it for Iowa, Northwestern, and now maybe Minnesota.
   14. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 01, 2019 at 02:51 PM (#5897852)
2011: wisconsin over michigan state
2012: wisconsin over nebraska**
2013: michigan state over ohio state
2014: ohio state over wisconsin
2015: michigan state over iowa
2016: penn state over wisconsin
2017: ohio state over wisconsin
2018: ohio state over northwestern (her? ugh...that gag aged really, really poorly...)


** fun fact:
wisconsin finished the 2012 regular season at 7-5 (4-4 in conference play), but the two teams that finished ahead of them in their division (12-0 (8-0) ohio state and 8-4 (6-2) penn state) were banned from the postseason, meaning wisconsin got the chance to annihilate nebraska in the "championship" game.
   15. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 01, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5897862)
it feels like it's time for the B1G to rebalance their divisions.

#hoopidea time:

realign on a 4-year rotation:
rank teams within their current divisions based on:
1: conference wins and losses
2: overall wins/losses
3: weighted wins/losses (preference given to more recent years)
4: bowl records
5 (tiebreakers): head to head, coin flip

using those rankings, you shuffle the teams up so that:
division A: E1, W2, E3, W4, E5, W6
division B: W1, E2, W3, E4, W5, E6

off the top of my head, i think realignment this past offseason would have yielded something like:
A: ohio state, iowa, penn state, nebraska, maryland, purdue, rutgers
B: wisconsin, michigan, northwestern, michigan state, minnesota, indiana, illinois

then you can throw in a "rivalry" game to make sure you get certain cross-division matchups every season:
ohio state v. michigan
wisconsin v. iowa
penn state v. michigan state

...and noone else is important enough to care about.



this setup would keep divisional matchups from getting stale, and it could pump some life into current rivalries by setting up a meeting in the conference championship game. it should also ensure the balance between divisions doesn't become too lopsided (though you could wind with an ugly cycle or two, if a few teams randomly improve or underperform in an imbalanced way).
   16. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 01, 2019 at 03:44 PM (#5897874)
lastly, if it was feasible (it's not), i'd also be curious about a promotion/relegation system, where things shake up every season. it would look something like:

top division:
safe 1
safe 2
safe 3
safe 4
safe 5
relegated 1
relegated 2

bottom division:
promoted 1
promoted 2
clod 1
clod 2
clod 3
clod 4
clod 5


the "safe" teams would play a round robin versus the other 6 top division teams, but they'd also get 2 guaranteed home games vs. the clods, giving them 5 home games and only 3 road games (so they make more money from the extra home game, and have less travel, but the road games they play will be against the toughest competition in the conference).

the "clods" play a round robin vs. the bottom division and go on the road twice vs. 5 good teams.

the promoted and relegated teams would play 6 games vs. their division, and they'd also play the promoted/relegated teams from their former division, with one game at home and one on the road, meaning these 4 teams would have balanced schedules, 4 games at home and 4 on the road.



this system has one more benefit for the b1g:
every team would be able to schedule another out of conference game, and because the top teams are guaranteed 5 conference home games, they'd be able to schedule two games vs. power 5 opponents, one of which could be a true road game vs. a top 10 opponent, while still keeping 8 guaranteed home games (and thus generating plenty of revenue).


the biggest issues:
-- it's a lot harder to go undefeated when you play good teams. if your best team goes 11-2, but with wins over 5 or 6 top 25 opponents, will that team get a CFP slot over oklahoma or clemson, who might only play 2 top 25 opponents?

-- your conference championship game is guaranteed to be a game between two teams that have already played.

-- if all of your good teams are always beating each other, will their rankings suffer, or will pollsters/committeepersons take strength of opposition into account?
   17. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 01, 2019 at 04:50 PM (#5897902)
As someone who has attended 7/8 big ccg it is a staple to see fans of other teams in attendance here and there that assumed their team would be there. This includes Mich fans. I've got an Ohio St friend that buys 8 of them every year. I just scalp.
   18. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 02, 2019 at 12:39 PM (#5898102)
Man, Wake-NC State is over already. Gonna see a lot of AAC football today I guess.
   19. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 02, 2019 at 12:57 PM (#5898110)
Houston-UCF is not disappointing. 17-14 already, Houston in the red zone ready to score again.
   20. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 02:36 PM (#5898123)
Just got home after running some errands to settle into football Saturday ... and man, what a weak slate of early games. Fox has stooped to showing Neb-Pur, two different MAC games are being shown nationally (and both are blowouts), the SEC Network is showing a cupcake non-conference game, and the B1G Network doesn't even have a live game to show.
   21. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 02:49 PM (#5898124)
The entire nation is engaged in fasting and meditation in preparation for Florida-Georgia.
   22. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 02, 2019 at 03:17 PM (#5898126)
Announcer Spencer Tillman just said he liked the Purdue QB's "aggresy" in making decisions. I rewound twice to figure out what he said. A new word that sounds sort of like "urgency".
   23. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 03:18 PM (#5898127)
The entire nation is engaged in fasting and meditation in preparation for Florida-Georgia.

And so they should. At least Nebraska-Purdue is a good game.
   24. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 03:30 PM (#5898128)
Has anyone read a good analysis of Nebraska lately or have some insight? Is their program just really messed up, or is Frost a dud? Seems like they've left a lot of wins on the field the last couple years, and I don't know whether to think that it's encouraging that they're close in so many games and their luck's bound to change, or if Frost is just fumbling a bunch of wins away.

I guess probably a little of both?

   25. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 03:38 PM (#5898129)
I've literally never heard the Florida State-Miami rivalry hyped the way I am at the beginning of this broadcast. Which is, I guess, what you have to do when the game itself is now trash.
   26. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 02, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5898131)
As a sobered Nebraska alum, w/o insane expectations of some of my peers, their roster is really poor. Execution today like many other games was lacking. The plays/situations today suggested they should have scored 24 or more in that 1st half. Riley was a disaster for this program. If you sit through and watch this team play the past 5 years, they are outsized, outmatched, out hustled, not disciplined. Their turnover margin over the past 15 years is staggering how bad it is. That's not coach exclusive of course. They still have a lot of dead weight on the two deep. There's also some roster division between old guard/new guard. this comes up if you're following/paying attention to writers, talk, etc. At present time, they have, IMO 6 quality players seeing playing time on the two deep. I'm not convinced Frost is in love with their present QB Adrian Martinez. I'm betting Luke McCaffrey will get the job next season. I'm patient, there's no choice, I've been pissed off since that idiot Pederson came around, fired Solich and gave a pay raise to hoodwink that moron Billy Callahan, who was like option #6. He was clueless and in over his head. I had zero interest in driving the 50 miles to attend this game today in W Laf. Of course, my wife would've killed me, we had family pictures and some other things to do this morning.
   27. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 02, 2019 at 03:46 PM (#5898132)
This is the only time the Gator Bowl takes off the tarps in the upper deck I assume. Really enjoyed attending the WLOCP. Not as high on my list as my RRS exeriences but still an elite experience.
   28. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 02, 2019 at 03:50 PM (#5898133)
Florida has already used 2 timeouts?
   29. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 02, 2019 at 03:54 PM (#5898136)
Spent threes minutes reviewing a close (and now overturned) first down conversion 4 minutes into the game.

Goodness gracious.
   30. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 03:54 PM (#5898137)
Um, did CBS just not bother to show a good replay of that spot? Certainly the two angles they showed weren't sufficient to overturn the spot.

What a dumb 4th-down play call.
   31. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 03:57 PM (#5898138)
That entire sequence isn't going in the Dan Mullen coaching highlight reel.
   32. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 03:58 PM (#5898140)
What the hell defense was that?
   33. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 03:59 PM (#5898141)
Shawn Davis's one-handed INT attempts giveth, and taketh away.
   34. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:06 PM (#5898142)
Here's what I learned on this opening UGA drive:

1) Gators' defense is simply dominant*
2) Fromm is willing to make some really dumb throws

*offer applies on 1st and 2nd downs only
   35. Brian White Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:12 PM (#5898144)
Trey Dean is not having a good series.
   36. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:13 PM (#5898145)
Forcing a defensive timeout on 3rd and 25 feels like the best possible outcome of 3rd and 25.
   37. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:14 PM (#5898146)
I feel like UGA might have seen an end-around coming from Toney, but a 3rd-and-25 seems like a good play to see what he can do with - just throw him a slant and see if he can make something of it in space.
   38. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:17 PM (#5898147)
Notre Dame fumbles at the goal line and the Hokies return it the length of the field with nine seconds left in the half. 14-14.
   39. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5898148)
Doesn't seem like UF's going to have a lot of luck getting any pressure on Fromm without bringing extra guys. He's basically setting up a BarcaLounger in the pocket.
   40. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:24 PM (#5898149)
That's OK, Grantham loves bringing extra guys anyway. And I'm not actually terribly worried - seems like the Gators under Grantham have a tendency to open games in very basic sets to feel things out, and then adjust as the game goes on (LSU game excepted).
   41. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:27 PM (#5898150)
And sure enough, Grantham brings a corner blitz on third down, gets pressure and forces an inaccurate throw.
   42. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5898151)
WHY WOULD YOU HAND OFF THE BALL 5 YARDS DEEP IN THE BACKFIELD ON 3RD AND 1 AGAINST A GOOD DEFENSE
   43. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:38 PM (#5898152)
####### Washington. Don't you dare get your act together just in time to hurt the conference after repeatedly shitting your pants when it mattered to your own hopes.
   44. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:41 PM (#5898153)
I'm so tired of pass interference being called on plays that are well-defended. The rule - or at least the way it's called - badly needs to be overhauled so that it's only called when it's a) very blatant, and b) committed by players that are bailing themselves out.

Also, wtf on that review. How much clearer can it be?
   45. Brian White Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:42 PM (#5898154)
That’s a catch? Seriously?
   46. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:42 PM (#5898155)
That might be the worst call I've ever seen.
   47. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:42 PM (#5898156)
Seriously WTF.
   48. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:46 PM (#5898157)
If I had to guess at the rationale, it's that he had the ball pinned and therefore "controlled" before, during, and immediately after the contact with the ground, and that the subsequent juggling resulted from attempting to adjust after the catch was established. But I wouldn't agree with it.
   49. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:48 PM (#5898158)
If I had to guess at the rationale, it's that he had the ball pinned and therefore "controlled" before, during, and immediately after the contact with the ground, and that the subsequent juggling resulted from attempting to adjust after the catch was established. But I wouldn't agree with it.

Yeah, probably something like this. I'd like to give a shout-out to the types of people whose standard of "clear and convincing" becomes downright existential whenever the focus is sports replay reviews.
   50. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:48 PM (#5898159)
One of the little pleasures of college football is seeing a guy go from "mildly intriguing tall dude who caught a few slants as a freshman" to "uncoverable bad-ass tight end" over the course of one off-season.
   51. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:49 PM (#5898160)
Well, having a few successful downfield throws, time to bring in Jones to pick up 2 on a QB run that everyone knows is coming.
   52. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:49 PM (#5898161)
That might be the worst call I've ever seen.
i can beat it.
   53. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:55 PM (#5898162)
Book picked off deep in Virginia Tech territory for the second time.
   54. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 04:56 PM (#5898164)
Muschamp's a fool, but he used to talk a lot about the SEC being a "line of scrimmage league." This is a line of scrimmage game: Florida matches up fine in the secondary on both sides of the ball, but they're totally stonewalled by Georgia's offensive line on third down and can't even come close to converting short-yardage runs on offense.
   55. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 05:13 PM (#5898166)
Muschamp's a fool, but he used to talk a lot about the SEC being a "line of scrimmage league." This is a line of scrimmage game: Florida matches up fine in the secondary on both sides of the ball, but they're totally stonewalled by Georgia's offensive line on third down and can't even come close to converting short-yardage runs on offense.

I guess that's true about short-yardage runs, although I only remember two short-yardage runs, one of which was a complete give-up of a play call that would have been tough to convert against a bad FCS team. But the o-line has done a good job with pass protection - UGA has one sack, but only put real pressure on him maybe 1 other time? I just feel like Mullen is dicking around too much - it's frustrating when you have a QB playing well but with nothing to show for it.

And then the defense ... sheesh. Get off the field, guys. But all the same, they've limited the damage and they're still in this game if they can get their heads out of their asses on offense.

Really gotta get a stop on this opening possession of the second half, though. Falling further behind isn't much of an option.
   56. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 02, 2019 at 05:16 PM (#5898167)
Really gotta get a stop on this opening possession of the second half, though. Falling further behind isn't much of an option.
failure is always an option...
   57. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 05:28 PM (#5898170)
Maybe time for Grantham to start actually bringing those extra guys ... not like they're helping out in coverage on these 3rd-and-long plays anyway.
   58. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 05:30 PM (#5898171)
Well now, the ball clearly moved after he hit the ground. I think that was a good uphold, because I couldn't tell if the ball hit the ground or not and he might have had his arms under it, but it obviously moved.
   59. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 05:33 PM (#5898173)
Hey look! A safety blitz on 3rd-and-long that forces a short pass well short of the marker.
   60. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 05:34 PM (#5898174)
Book throws up a prayer that gets intercepted, but a bad roughing call negates it.

Notre Dame had like a 240-80 yardage advantage at the half, but Virginia Tech has really dominated the 20 subsequent minutes. Only coming away with field goals, though, so 20-14 with 10 to play.
   61. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 05:43 PM (#5898175)
Notre Dame eventually misses a field goal on the drive. Ball don't lie, I guess.
   62. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 05:44 PM (#5898176)
Gene Steratore just made a really good point that's bugged me for years but I've never heard anyone say on TV before - he said that the replay crew had all the angles they needed to see the play definitively, so he "hope[d] they don't come back with 'stands' here ... they need to make a decision here."

This has always been a pet peeve of mine, just lamely saying that the play "stands" when the replay shows it better than any human eye could in real time (see the UGA catch earlier this game). This is doubly so with the PI replays this year in the NFL, but that's a different story.

19-yard loss on a sack, ouch.
   63. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 05:46 PM (#5898177)
Toney must not actually be healthy, unless I've been missing him out there. Otherwise I have to imagine he'd be out there on 2nd-and-34.
   64. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 05:51 PM (#5898180)
Toney hurt himself in the UT-Martin game, as did CJ Henderson (though CJ obviously made it back fairly quickly). Losing one of your most explosive players for most of the season in a game against UT-Martin is, I guess, kind of a karmic payback for playing UT-Martin.
   65. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 05:56 PM (#5898182)
UGA's been disciplined today, but LOL at a false start when you're trying to draw the defense offside on 4th-and-9.
   66. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:03 PM (#5898183)
Don't pretend that you care about your husband, Pretty Blond Wife In Those Fansville Commercials! You cheated on him and let him think your love child was his!
   67. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:06 PM (#5898184)
Virginia Tech's playing soft coverage and rushing three, and the Irish have picked up about 54 of the 87 yards they needed in the last three minutes.
   68. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:07 PM (#5898185)
Glad Jefferson caught that anyway because the PI call would have been a farce.
   69. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:09 PM (#5898186)
First down at the seven with 52 seconds, because a deep in somehow gets wide open on 4th-and-10 with eight in coverage.
   70. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:09 PM (#5898187)
CBS crew not even able to freeze-frame the video in the right spot here.
   71. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:13 PM (#5898188)
Trask has taken a couple sacks, and the second one especially was pretty rough. But overall he's playing very well and I feel like Mullen just has to ride his arm for the rest of this game.
   72. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:16 PM (#5898190)
Book scores on a zone read, then the extra point is good after a borderline-miraculous recovery of a muffed snap.

How often do you see an 18-play drive in the final 3:22? Never, because most coaches have the sense to not keep rushing three and getting dinked to death.
   73. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:18 PM (#5898191)
Miami misses a field goal -- wide right, natch -- to open the fourth quarter. Leads 17-10.
   74. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:19 PM (#5898192)
Welp

that's not good
   75. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:22 PM (#5898193)
Cager is, like, nine-feet tall and he's the only Georgia receiver who's done anything all year. I'm not sure how you lose track of him.
   76. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:25 PM (#5898194)
It was pretty obvious on replay that no one in the Gator secondary knew what was going on there. But it looked like Shawn Davis was the main culprit - he had Cager in front of him, then turned his back to the play and ran downfield all on his own while Cager cut the other way into open space.
   77. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:30 PM (#5898195)
Utah goes for a tying two-point conversion, ball's caught at the goal line, the call on the field is that it's short, and because Fox has no camera on the goal line, we get the "Oh, sure he's standing above the line and the ball is pressed to his body, so it clearly must be breaking the plane, but do we really *know*?" song and dance and the call stands.
   78. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:30 PM (#5898197)
Gator fans (totally justifiably) mock Willie Taggart for how sloppy and unprepared Florida State has looked the last couple seasons, but I have to admit that UF has too often failed at the basic task of getting lined up on time in the biggest game of the season. It's a pretty big coaching failure.
   79. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:35 PM (#5898200)
Gary Danielson as befuddled by the QB power as I am.
   80. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:47 PM (#5898203)
Man, Swain having himself quite a half.
   81. Brian C Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:55 PM (#5898204)
Florida would have won this game easily with even average third-down defense.
   82. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:55 PM (#5898205)
And it all comes down to Florida's inability to stop Georgia on third down. Always nice when the big moments live up to the broader narratives - that's just good writing.
   83. Mike A Posted: November 02, 2019 at 06:58 PM (#5898206)
I looked at this game as win/win for FSU. You win, you beat Miami. You lose, the quicker Willie Taggart is out of here.

Willie seems like a nice guy and he's trying, but it's just not working.

ABC listed their top 5 Seminole players - Deion, Charlie Ward, Fred Biletnikoff, Warrick Dunn, and Derrick Brooks. Not bad, but no Peter Warrick? You could make a pretty good argument for Jameis Winston as well. Ah, happier days.
   84. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 10:14 PM (#5898230)
Auburn, leading 20-14, puts a field goal off the upright -- third miss of the night -- to give Ole Miss hope with 1:14 left and no timeouts.
   85. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 10:18 PM (#5898231)
Dunno why you go to your running quarterback and make a succession of short throws in that situation, but whatever.
   86. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 10:20 PM (#5898232)
East Carolina throws a pick-six in the final five minutes to give up the lead to Cincinnati.

Two-point conversion makes it 43-40.
   87. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 10:31 PM (#5898237)
ECU kicks a field goal with 1:10 left after Cincinnati gets away with some jersey tugging on a third-down pass.
   88. greenback slays lewks Posted: November 02, 2019 at 10:48 PM (#5898238)
For the love of God, I don't want another Michigan-Florida Outback Bowl.
   89. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 11:09 PM (#5898240)
No one in Gator Nation wants another damn game against Michigan either, I promise you.
   90. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 02, 2019 at 11:17 PM (#5898243)
At the beginning of the fourth quarter in Los Angeles, the Coliseum's head count was down to 15,000 and dropping by the minute.
   91. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 11:33 PM (#5898248)
Sonny Dykes going for two when trailing 54-46, which is a good play in the NFL, but not college, where conversions are successful under 40% of the time. But the "Oh, ####!" throwback to a lineman leads to a walk-in. Onside kick with 2:06 left.
   92. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 02, 2019 at 11:34 PM (#5898249)
Recovered by Memphis. No timeouts -- used one before the two-point try -- so that's the game.
   93. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 02, 2019 at 11:38 PM (#5898251)
UCLA controls its own destiny. Utah is in two weeks.
   94. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 02, 2019 at 11:44 PM (#5898252)
UCLA controls its own destiny


This is a "does. not. compute." statement if ever I've seen one.
   95. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 03, 2019 at 12:04 AM (#5898257)
No one in Gator Nation wants another damn game against Michigan either, I promise you.
there's always notre dame.
   96. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 03, 2019 at 12:08 AM (#5898258)
This is a "does. not. compute." statement if ever I've seen one.
UCLA has 2 conference losses. if they win out, noone else in their division can have fewer 2 losses, and they would own the tiebreakers over the only other team (utah) that could finish with 2 losses, by virtue of a head to head win (that hasn't happened yet).
   97. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 03, 2019 at 03:42 PM (#5898352)
FSU fired Taggart.
   98. Mike A Posted: November 03, 2019 at 04:11 PM (#5898356)
Wow. Figured it was coming, I just didn't expect Taggart to be fired so soon. Feel kinda sorry for Willie, FSU was his dream job and the main reason he left Oregon. It's probably for the best, though. This is going to leave FSU cash-strapped...and they're already lagging pretty far behind the top teams money-wise. Urban Meyer, come on down! /s

Odell Haggins steps in as interim coach - everyone loves Odell, an FSU-lifer who played on some great late-80s Bowden teams. He was also interim coach when Jimbo left, compiling a 2-0 record.
   99. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 03, 2019 at 05:00 PM (#5898361)
Mike Leach is the guy who would scare me a little if FSU hired him (well, assuming the Meyer chatter is nonsense). I don't know if he could recruit at the level FSU expects, but he would definitely be about a thousand-percent coaching upgrade.
   100. Brian White Posted: November 03, 2019 at 05:19 PM (#5898362)
Between Taggart's salary during the brief time he was actually FSU's head coach, what is owed him for the remainder of his contract, and paying TWO different buyouts to his previous schools ($3 million to Oregon, and over $1 million to USF), the Willie Taggart Experience will have cost FSU around $30 million.

I know CFB programs are still rolling around in cash. But there have got to be *some* fiscal constraints now, given how much money they're still shelling out for Taggart, right?
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