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   101. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:11 AM (#4224234)
MSU didn't look good at all. Lots of dropped passes and Maxwell is really raw. But they did rack up 461 yards of offense, they need to work on protecting the ball, which means teaching Maxwell not to suck.

San Jose St. is looking to take down Stanford right now. They just tied it up at 17.
   102. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4224360)
Notre Dame is in the process of giving navy an old fashioned beat down 27-3 at the half, and could be worse (nd threw an int in the endzone)
   103. TerpNats Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:57 AM (#4224399)
With Penn State now irrelevant for the rest of the decade, and the ACC (at least outside of Tallahassee) continuing to play wimp football, the game desperately needs Notre Dame to figure in the national championship debate for the sport to have any relevance whatsover along the Northeast Corridor.
   104. Tripon Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4224402)
That's not happening. ND has been irrelevant for decades in regards of the National Championship picture.
   105. cmd600 Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4224444)
That's not happening


Probably not, but the team still gets great recruiting classes, plays a lot of big games, and has the money/facilities to be one of the big boys. I wouldn't write them off forever yet.
   106. cmd600 Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:55 PM (#4224452)
81 - the weather may have been worse than usual, but I'm not going to let midwestern weather be an excuse for a Big 10 team. Even in good weather, Michigan was not going to move the ball against that defense, and for a lot of the same reasons they struggled against good defenses before Toussaint established himself. They were too one-dimensional as they too frequently asked for Robinson to make a play that caused the defense to break down. They have to establish another option for the defense to respect to give Robinson space to work with.
   107. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4224466)
its been less then 20 years since they figured in it, not decades. hell they should have won the title in 93
   108. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4224485)
81 - the weather may have been worse than usual, but I'm not going to let midwestern weather be an excuse for a Big 10 team. Even in good weather, Michigan was not going to move the ball against that defense, and for a lot of the same reasons they struggled against good defenses before Toussaint established himself. They were too one-dimensional as they too frequently asked for Robinson to make a play that caused the defense to break down. They have to establish another option for the defense to respect to give Robinson space to work with

That's not right - and I can tell you don't watch a ton of UM football (not like I blame you). The reason the offense was inefficient before Fitz got his footing was that Borges was mashing square peg into round hole - what Michigan needed to be running was the Texas Tech offense, which covers up the arm-strength limitations of the QB but still forces teams to respect the outside. Robinson has a terrible arm (or terrible footwork, which ends up leading to the same thing - weak, wobbly passes) and when Borges tried to have him running pro-style, it was a disaster.

Midwestern weather is a perfectly good excuse for a team starting a KR/PR type guy as a QB. It's not like Chad Henne was slinging bullets into the wind. Live by Denard, die by Denard. The combination of wind and the lack of play-calling creativity did Michigan in. Note that Michigan was able to beat Va Tech without any production from Toussaint, but with sterling numbers from Robinson.
   109. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 02:04 PM (#4224511)
Sterling numbers from Robinson?

9/21 117 2td/1int, 13 carries 13 yards? Did we watch different Sugar Bowls?
   110. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 01, 2012 at 02:28 PM (#4224531)
Penn State holding on to a 14-10 lead against Ohio. The Bobcats were an extraordinarily popular BCS buster pick by the SI writers I read the other day.
   111. SteveM. Posted: September 01, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4224541)
I suspect Denard Robinson will be shocked to discover many of the Alabama LB's are fast enought to contain him, and that CJ Mosely is just as fast as he is. On offensive, the Bama O-Line is simply the best in the nation and is going to demolish the Michigan line.
   112. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4224561)
So Penn State irrelevancy begins today. Though Ohio is a pretty good team.
   113. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4224570)
One of the great challenges on football game days is the timing of one's pizza order. Order too late and the pizza will arrive after the game starts, forcing you to leave the game for a brief time. That happened to me during last year's Florida-Georgia game, and I missed a touchdown pass on fourth and 25.

But order early and the pizza will arrive well before the game starts, thus risking a lukewarm pizza by kickoff. I have fallen into this trap today, my pizza arriving a full 15 minutes before the start of my preferred game. Clearly it's still pre-season in the CFBF apartment.
   114. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4224578)
I make sure to go get my po'boy (or banh mi) for lunch as close to 11 as possible.

So Penn State might win 3 games this year?
   115. Joey B. "disrespects the A" Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4224589)
Absolutely LOVE seeing State Pen get embarrassed by a middie on their home field. Go rape some more children, you sick degenerate motherf*ckers.
   116. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:59 PM (#4224605)
Go rape some more children, you sick degenerate motherf*ckers.

Why do you want them to do that?

How good is Bowling Green these days? They're looking pretty competitive with Florida right now.

EDIT: CBS's ranking of all the FBS teams has them 54th. That's ahead of Pitt, UCLA, SDSU, Purdue, Mizzou (huh?), Texas A&M (double huh?), Cal, Tennessee, NC State...
   117. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:26 PM (#4224621)
montee ball's receiving ability is highly underrated. i don't know if he will a great back in the nfl but i have to think he will contribute in a real fashion. he is not just a guy helped by the wisconsin o-line
   118. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4224624)
credit to northern iowa for making wisconsin drive the field and then holding them to field goals. good to see the field goal kicker not stink

   119. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4224628)
i don't know if northern iowa is taking away longer routes but wisconsin qb checking off quickly
   120. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:44 PM (#4224629)
shocking lack of awareness by said qb

rusher up the middle that is clearly getting past ball the blocker and the qb lets himself get sacked with open space in both directions.
   121. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4224630)
and then the qb completes a 3rd and 22 as northern iowa gets away from what was working by dropping 8 guys none of whom do anything and then later the call is no huddle near the goal line and he hits a receiver ona nice touch pass in the corner for the td.

and that was with pressure as it seemed that northern iowa blitzed but i don't know if more than 4 were coming or not.
   122. cmd600 Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4224631)
I can tell you don't watch a ton of UM football


And you'd be quite wrong. Michigan shouldn't run the Leach offense. You really want Robinson sitting in the pocket, making reads and checking down? He doesn't have the accuracy to march a team down the field. Now that they have an established RB and a legit Michigan O-line again, they just need to run that inverted veer 20-25 times a game until they finally force the opponent to give up 1-on-1 coverage downfield and chuck it up.
   123. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4224633)
as an old defensive player i loathe having more than seven guys dropping into coverage. firm believer in that the prevent defense prevents a team from winning. not even hail marys as you can sometimes get to the qb before he sets up for his big heave downfield
   124. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:55 PM (#4224634)
don't say veer offense around wisconsin fans who lived through the don morton era. yuck
   125. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 01, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4224659)
Will Muschamp trying to make Florida fans forget about Ron Zook.
   126. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 01, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4224667)
blitzing with a 19 point lead? that is just helping the other team bust a big play
   127. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 01, 2012 at 06:12 PM (#4224670)
The only reason Florida is winning this game is because Bowling Green's kicker is cross-eyed.
   128. spike Posted: September 01, 2012 at 07:31 PM (#4224708)
Auburn with a home run. Things are looking up.
   129. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 07:49 PM (#4224717)
Now, I expected So. Miss D to be a pushover this season, and today in particular, but did not expect to ever see Taylor Martinez throw that well, ever. I only detected two throws that looked like the T Mart of his first two seasons. 26/34 350+ 5 Tds, 0 int (should've had one picked). 630 total yards for the Huskers. I expect a lot of points in Pasadena for both teams next week. The Blackshirts did not look game up front. Its as if Pelini and co. are scheming with an eye towards NFL type defensive running schemes. Memo to Pelini: nobody runs that #### in college.
   130. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:13 PM (#4224728)
Go Blue, and god help 'em, cause they're gonna need it.
   131. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:18 PM (#4224729)
We have a Devin Gardner sighting!
   132. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4224735)
Flocking Denard STILL DOESNT HAVE THE FOOTWORK DOWN. Roundtree was open. Gosh darnit.
   133. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4224736)
Arizona State wins its opener 63-6.

Pitt, late in the 3rd Q vs. Youngstown State, trails 21-10.
   134. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4224737)
Alabama is exploiting Kenny Demens, as they should, because he kind of sucks.
   135. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4224739)
Big Ten had some close games...mighty UNLV, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, and Ohio (who won). Just a daily reminder that the Big Ten sucks.
   136. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:39 PM (#4224741)
GODDAMIT DENARD STOP THROWING THE BALL 3 FEET OVER THE RECEIVERS HEAD
   137. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4224742)
Gardner looks spectacular. He's getting GREAT separation against the Bama corners. But Robinson just can't get the ball to him. It's killing me.
   138. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4224744)
They moved the wrong QB to WR...
   139. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4224746)
They need to move both to WR and have Bellomy do the QBing if they're going to try to run this kind of offense.
   140. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4224747)
Well, this was totally ####### inevitable.
   141. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4224750)
Is Michigan ready for prime time? I don't pay much attention to college ball, but I was quite surprised to see them ranked so high.
   142. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4224751)
They went 11-2 last season and returned their "Heisman hopeful for the first 4 weeks of the season." Preseason rankings probably need to die soon.
   143. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4224752)
Is Michigan ready for prime time? I don't pay much attention to college ball, but I was quite surprised to see them ranked so high.


No. 2 years away. They're held together with string and good coaching, but the talent level hasn't recovered yet from Rich Rodriguez's "recruiting".
   144. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4224755)
They're also missing their 2nd best offensive player because he ####### didn't call a cab. Idiot.
   145. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4224756)
He was open AGAIN! Goddamit Denard!
   146. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4224757)
About 100 minutes to RichRod's Tucson debut, btw.
   147. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:54 PM (#4224758)
Preseason rankings probably need to die soon.
Nothing in CFB polling would please me more.
   148. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:54 PM (#4224759)
Well I wasn't expecting this....
   149. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4224760)
Alabama's dominating, though defense is much easier when the officials allow your corners to shove the other guy's wide receivers out of bounds.
   150. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4224761)
Perhaps not the most auspicious start to the season.
   151. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4224763)
Alabama's dominating, though defense is much easier when the officials allow your corners to shove the other guy's wide receivers out of bounds.


To be fair he probably did not expect the WR to fly out of bounds after he put a hand on him.
   152. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4224764)
To be fair he probably did not expect the WR to fly out of bounds after he put a hand on him.


I would have expected two years worth of games against Florida receivers would have acclimated 'Bama to this tactic.
   153. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4224765)
The USC and Bama blowouts have me turning to Dbacks-Dodgers. And at this moment of the season, I'm afraid to watch the Dodgers.
   154. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4224768)
To be fair he probably did not expect the WR to fly out of bounds after he put a hand on him.


Roundtree is about 170 lbs soaking wet.
   155. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4224771)
T.J. Yeldon looks really really good. He is a true freshman.
   156. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4224773)
Oh, lord. Alabama has another Richardson.
   157. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4224777)
Pitt loses to YSU, 31-17, at Heinz.

Tempe > Western PA.
   158. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:25 PM (#4224782)
The irony of this game is that I think It's a really positive showing for Michigan. Gardner looks great, Norfleet looks great, Hagerup seems to have shaken the punter version of Steve Blass disease . . .
   159. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4224789)
Okie St 70 Savannah St. 0, still 22 minutes of football to go.
   160. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4224790)
Again! Gardner is destroying the 'Bama DBs. My kingdom for a quarterback.
   161. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:33 PM (#4224791)
To quote a great movie, Michigan hasn't been ###### like this since grade school.
   162. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:33 PM (#4224792)
So when is Shoelace going on the bench?
   163. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4224797)
Oh hai QB rush where u been things not so good yo.
   164. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:57 PM (#4224803)
seem to recall someone stating that robinson wasn't an actual qb and beating up on the dregs of the big 10 ain't all that

oh yeah, that was me

swear i didn't tell alabama.
   165. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:57 PM (#4224804)
Clemson v AU game of the weekend thus far. They've played some good ones lately.
   166. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:03 PM (#4224807)
Well, I've cracked open the good stuff. Brandy made from Chardonnay grapes grown in the Musigny vineyard.
   167. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:12 PM (#4224811)
Boy, Denard is playing like dogshit.
   168. Spivey Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4224812)
I think MSU is the fourth or fifth best team in the conference, after watching that abortion.


After today, I feel confident in saying that they aren't very good, and they're likely the best team in the conference.
   169. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:19 PM (#4224818)
Michigan would destroy MSU right now.

First good play BWC has made in his Michigan career.
   170. Spivey Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4224825)
If Alabama really wanted to, they'd beat Michigan by 50 tonight. Michigan is not in a position where they're likely to destroy anyone. They were only in a BCS game last year because they're in a joke conference and they're Michigan.
   171. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:28 PM (#4224827)
Man, Denard would've been killer in the right offense. Borges's offense is not that offense.
   172. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4224830)
Spivey, MSU is in that same joke conference. I didn't say Michigan would destroy LSU.
   173. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:30 PM (#4224831)
I think he will do well in a Rich Rodriguez type offense, like Pat White at West Virginia.
   174. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:33 PM (#4224832)
If Alabama really wanted to, they'd beat Michigan by 50 tonight. Michigan is not in a position where they're likely to destroy anyone. They were only in a BCS game last year because they're in a joke conference and they're Michigan.

And they beat an ACC team in that game. How many conferences aren't jokes?
   175. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:34 PM (#4224834)
I know it's not that uncommon for teams to look crappy against lousy opponents in week 1, but, man, Rutgers is up 10-6 on freaking Tulane in the third quarter.

Their QB is atrocious.
   176. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:35 PM (#4224837)
With Taylor Martinez' quantum leap forward in passing today and the lackluster performance of other Big 10 teams today, I am much more hopeful about the Cornhusker's chances this season than I was yesterday.
   177. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:35 PM (#4224839)
Where are they now: Jason Sehorn.

Studio d00d on ESPNU.
   178. Spivey Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:36 PM (#4224842)
And they beat an ACC team in that game. How many conferences aren't jokes?


2. I'm not exaggerating when I say I think roughly 75% of the top 15 teams are from 2 conferences.
   179. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:37 PM (#4224843)
Inside handoffs are the single worst idea in the history of bad ideas, when playing Alabama.
   180. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:38 PM (#4224844)
With Taylor Martinez' quantum leap forward in passing today and the lackluster performance of other Big 10 teams today, I am much more hopeful about the Cornhusker's chances this season than I was yesterday.
A Reason Why the Big Ten's "Leaders" and "Legends" Bullshit is Bullshit: Based upon your comment, I wanted to see who they'd have to beat out to reach the B10 title game... and realized their non-geographic divisions make that impossible without an Internet hunt.
   181. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4224846)
Out of curiousity, where would you put Texas?
   182. Spivey Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:43 PM (#4224848)
David Ash didn't appear to improve in the offseason like he needed to.
   183. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:45 PM (#4224849)
Pick 6, Rutgers gets some breathing room at 17-6.

Oh well, looks like we'll have a better day than Pitt and PSU at least.
   184. Spivey Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:48 PM (#4224850)
Out of curiousity, where would you put Texas?


I think they'd be the best team in the Big 10. I'd put them in the top 15, although I think it's too early for any kind of strict ranking due to sample size and the fact teams are going to give inconsistent performances at this point in the year.
   185. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:49 PM (#4224851)
Leaders and Legends? Like most people, WTF is that, especially with non-geographical alignment.

M & Ns w Iowa. The rest are in the other one. But for that, I'd still be lost.



   186. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:50 PM (#4224852)
Oregon v USC is going to be great, not because of the game, but because the lack of PAT attempts. Both squads going for two frequently once again. Oregon right away tonight.
   187. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:58 PM (#4224856)
To be fair to Denard, plenty of QBs have done worse against Alabama. No shame in 14 points in 3 quarters.
   188. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:12 PM (#4224862)
Apparently Alabama now has to worry about Arkansas....unless Arkansas quickly grows a defense in the next 2 weeks...
   189. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4224867)
Man Rutgers stinks. They beat Tulane 24-12.
   190. Spivey Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:49 PM (#4224877)
Oregon's on watch for scoring 100.
   191. Spivey Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:54 PM (#4224881)
Speaking of teams on watch - Oklahoma is on watch for losing this ####### game.
   192. Spivey Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:58 PM (#4224883)
Wow, UTEP just got a spot that college officials never, ever give.
   193. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 02, 2012 at 12:02 AM (#4224886)
UTEP is not good at all, yet is tied in this one, for now.
   194. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 02, 2012 at 12:04 AM (#4224887)
Dick Rod lost to Toledo while at Michigan, and now he's down again at AZ.

Oregon really looking unstoppable tonight, even if you discount Ark St., which is far from a horrible team. UO's redshirt fr. QB is quite a player. Okie St's 84 may not hold up.
   195. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 02, 2012 at 12:16 AM (#4224893)
Why is Oklahoma playing at UTEP?
   196. PeteF3 Posted: September 02, 2012 at 12:23 AM (#4224897)
Oklahoma lost two non-conference games at a relatively late point in the offseason: West Virginia was originally scheduled as an OOC game, but then they joined the conference. Then Central Florida pulled out of a scheduled game when they joined the Big East. They used an FCS team to fill one date and then their options were slim. They decided to take a road date at a mid-major school instead of playing two FCS teams.
   197. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 02, 2012 at 12:25 AM (#4224898)
Recruit west Texas? They've played at Tulsa, which is tiny, but still makes more sense than at UTEP.

I dunno, why is Nebraska playing at So Miss next year (though being moved to NOLA). A&M has @ La Tech on the schedule. Colorado played at Toledo recently but they are broke that what's I read.

Texas played at Wyoming, as did Nebraska recently.

I'm guessing they want a road game that isn't a killer, or they had somebody drop them, and they scrambled for a 2 for 1.

coke to PeteF3
   198. Spivey Posted: September 02, 2012 at 12:32 AM (#4224901)
Why is Oklahoma playing at UTEP?


Texas has done this recently with UTEP. I think it makes a lot of sense to play a road OOC game early in the year against a team you think you'll beat. I assume that UTEP makes some good monetary arguments as well.
   199. Every Inge Counts Posted: September 02, 2012 at 12:32 AM (#4224902)
Ah thanks for that info.
   200. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 02, 2012 at 12:37 AM (#4224904)
So, still going and in doubt, we've got OU-UTEP and Toledo-Arizona.
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