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   1001. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 09, 2012 at 10:34 PM (#4261320)
any suggestions for things to do in Columbia?


Meth.
   1002. hokieneer Posted: October 09, 2012 at 11:03 PM (#4261350)
And lord knows that any time this team gets the kind of accolades they have been getting, they tend to get sluggish. Hopefully Holgersen can break that routine.


Spoken like a Mountaineer fan. How long have you been on board again?

I am going to have a friend keep me posted frequently, but I am extremely nervous about this weekend. If they do win, Gameday might come to Morgantown for the K-State game, which would be pretty darn cool.


I doubt ESPN will do gameday for a fox game.
   1003. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 09, 2012 at 11:23 PM (#4261376)
I don't know about that, they haven't totally ducked CBS SEC games, though they sure try.
   1004. Cowboy Popup Posted: October 10, 2012 at 12:01 AM (#4261410)
Spoken like a Mountaineer fan. How long have you been on board again?

Mid 2005 or so. That gives me the loss to Louisville in 2006, the inexplicable USF losses, the Backyard Brawl in 07, the 24-3 (I think) loss to ECU at ####### home, the @ Colorado game, and pretty much every game in the Bill Stewart era after they got a number next to the team name. So yeah, even in my short tenure as a fan, I'm used to the team falling apart right as they get any kind of buzz. And as my wife can attest to, I take my fandom very seriously, despite having no real connection to the school.

I doubt ESPN will do gameday for a fox game.

Good point. And a bummer. And looking at the schedule, they will have other valid options (Florida-USCe, LSU-A&M, MSU-Michigan).
   1005. hokieneer Posted: October 10, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4261528)
Mid 2005 or so. That gives me the loss to Louisville in 2006, the inexplicable USF losses, the Backyard Brawl in 07, the 24-3 (I think) loss to ECU at ####### home, the @ Colorado game, and pretty much every game in the Bill Stewart era after they got a number next to the team name. So yeah, even in my short tenure as a fan, I'm used to the team falling apart right as they get any kind of buzz.


WVU has always seem to play down when they get a lot of praise and that number next to their name. It seems crazy now, but they went almost 20 years with a frickin bowl victory.

Stewart's teams were god awful in this regard, but it hasn't been reserved to just him. It happened to Nehlen, Rodriguez, and even Holgerson. Last year WVU went to the carrier dome and got smacked by a Syracuse team that won 1 ####### BE game.

Anyway, enough salt in the old wounds.

Going to Lubbock this weekend terrifies me because TTU seems to pull out one significant upset every season. WVU is only -4, which makes me feel even mor uncomfortable.
   1006. Cowboy Popup Posted: October 10, 2012 at 11:13 AM (#4261629)
Last year WVU went to the carrier dome and got smacked by a Syracuse team that won 1 ####### BE game.

That was a brutal loss. I kept thinking they were going to turn it on at some point, get back into it. And then it just got worse. I remember resigning myself to another season of crap, with a Belk Bowl appearance. I didn't really get back into the season until Bailey made that absurd catch against USF in the last game of the season.

Going to Lubbock this weekend terrifies me because TTU seems to pull out one significant upset every season. WVU is only -4, which makes me feel even mor uncomfortable.

Yeah, this and the Iowa St. game are going to be nerve wracking.
   1007. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 10, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4261633)
I doubt ESPN will do gameday for a fox game.

They are doing an NBC game this week.
   1008. hokieneer Posted: October 10, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4261729)
Pulled this quote from here. Seems appropriate.


The biggest problem comes this weekend when West Virginia, fresh off their historic road win over No. 11 Texas, travels to face Texas Tech. The Red Raiders are unranked but capable of winning. The last time West Virginia completed a season without a loss to an unranked team was in 2003. That includes three consecutive 11-win seasons in 2005, 2006 and 2007.


   1009. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4261957)
If ND wins Saturday and South Car loses, ND could be in the number 2 spot in the bcs rankings, computers seem to like em
   1010. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 10, 2012 at 09:47 PM (#4262612)
Yeah, but after they lose to Stanford & USC, that won't really matter anymore.
   1011. Spivey Posted: October 10, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4262617)
Computers like ND because they're not allowed to consider margin of victory.
   1012. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: October 10, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4262662)
Well.that and the defense hasnt allowed a td in 3 games. Also they will pound stanford on saturday
   1013. Spivey Posted: October 10, 2012 at 10:30 PM (#4262724)
I actually didn't realize how quickly ND's ratings have moved up. The game this week will be interesting, though really their 2 important road games are late in the year. We'll see.
   1014. madvillain Posted: October 10, 2012 at 10:33 PM (#4262735)

I actually didn't realize how quickly ND's ratings have moved up. The game this week will be interesting, though really their 2 important road games are late in the year. We'll see.
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Michigan wins that game if they don't turn it over 6 times, heck, turn it over 3 times they probably win. Oh well, Robinson is what he is, and paired with Al "I'm the Smartest Man In All Rooms" Borges it often results in a square peg trying to go into a round hole.

But ND has a legit team this year, legit top 15 anyways. I'm glad they came out and whupped on MSU and Miami as it bodes well for Michigan going forward.

Also, LSU is way over-rated. They are running on reputation right now.
   1015. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: October 11, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4263654)
   1016. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: October 11, 2012 at 12:55 PM (#4263731)
What will he be remembered most for? My guess is his infamous 2 heisman trophy proclimaton for ron palus
   1017. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 11, 2012 at 05:53 PM (#4264577)
Computers like ND because they're not allowed to consider margin of victory.

Computer rankings that use MOV love them just as much as BCS computer rankings do.

http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
   1018. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:58 AM (#4267963)
That Bridgewater guy is pretty good.
   1019. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 13, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4268006)
Duke is shitstomping VA tech. 20-0 in the 1st Quarter?!
   1020. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4268011)
Man, Oklahoma looks good.
   1021. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 01:21 PM (#4268012)
Tx getting embarrassed at the cotten bowl.
   1022. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4268042)
OU is making me really question what WVU is capable of the rest of the season.
   1023. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4268095)
So that wasn't a catch?
   1024. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4268097)
That was the second almost-INT thrown by ND.
   1025. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4268098)
Fumble!
   1026. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 03:59 PM (#4268104)
Yep. One of those days
   1027. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4268107)
The rain is really ####### with both QBs in the Stanford-ND game.
   1028. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4268110)
Hotty toddy gosh almighty!

Actually I don't care about college football at all, even if Ole Miss won a national title I'd still be prouder of the pretty girls and tailgating in the Grove.
   1029. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:26 PM (#4268119)
You know its bad when I'm more excited about a 3 and out than amything else.
   1030. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4268130)
Missouri's transition to the SEC continues to go swimmingly.
   1031. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4268134)
I'm pretty sure a lot of traditional sec teams can be down 3 scores to Bama.
   1032. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:45 PM (#4268136)
Believe me, I'm intensely aware of that.

I actually worried (too much) that my post would read as referencing today alone. I wasn't. A lot of traditional SEC teams would be down four scores to Bama, but not a lot of them are facing 0-4 in the conference after losing to Vanderbilt at home.

Missouri just looks out-classed. SEC partisans are usually full of it when they talk about the fancy razzle-dazzle finesse spread teams of the Big XII and Pac 12 being weak-kneed along the lines of scrimmage, but it really seems accurate with regards to Mizzou.
   1033. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:46 PM (#4268139)
Juggling td catch for tech, no review. Urgh.
   1034. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4268142)
Has Auburn or Arkansas lost to vandy yet?

CFBF I get your point, but Mizzo are not alone this year in the sec cellar.
   1035. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4268144)
This ND game is flat ugly.
   1036. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4268158)
Wvu is jus giving up now. Lazy tackling on defense
   1037. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:04 PM (#4268161)
Has Auburn or Arkansas lost to vandy yet?


Nope. No doubt it's only a matter of time, though.
   1038. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:09 PM (#4268167)
Wvu just needs to keep working underneath. Quit trying to score 21 points on one pass.
   1039. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:14 PM (#4268171)
Doesnt matter who is the coach. This program just can't handle success.
   1040. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:18 PM (#4268176)
Holgerson is on tilt. Attempting a 49 yard fg into the wind.
   1041. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4268191)
What the hell is happening in the WVU-TT game?
   1042. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:41 PM (#4268196)
Wvu came out flat, tech didn't. Holgerson and/or Geno started pressing and kept trying deep balls.

And oh the defense is ####### terrible and decided to stop tackling all together mid way thru the 2nd quarter.
   1043. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4268203)
The wind is apparently bothering geno as well.
   1044. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:51 PM (#4268206)
Cant guard a ####### wheel route.
   1045. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:58 PM (#4268213)
Just can not draw a pi flag on tech... no matter what.
   1046. Cowboy Popup Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:11 PM (#4268223)
Well, this is a huge kick in the nuts. Been in the car for most of the game, holy ####, it's one thing to lose, it's an entirely different thing to get blown out.

Doesnt matter who is the coach. This program just can't handle success.

No kidding, time to get ready for the Holiday bowl.
   1047. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:24 PM (#4268234)
Turn the radio off man. Its not worth the potential auto accident.


Don't worry, #17 wvu will beat #5 ksu by 17 next weekend. Its almost guaranteed.
   1048. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4268236)
I live in wv, the local abc just changed the feed to Oregon st. Byu.

That's depressing.
   1049. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:49 PM (#4268256)
Not sure why geno is still in there. Dont add injury to insult.
   1050. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:07 PM (#4268271)
Did taylor actually get in?
   1051. Dan The Mediocre Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:17 PM (#4268279)
I don't think he did. Granted, I'm a fan of ND, but I think he was down before that last lunge.
   1052. hokieneer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:27 PM (#4268285)
I think so too, but it was pretty close.

Hell of a goalline stand.
   1053. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:52 PM (#4268303)
I think budget cuts have finally reached UF's advertising budget. The university's gameday commercial looks much less expensive than the last few years.
   1054. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:59 PM (#4268311)
I'm pretty sure Taylor got in. The question isn't whether he was down -- he clearly wasn't -- but whether he lost control of the ball before it got across the line.

I think the call was wrong, but I'm not broken up about it. Titanically unimaginitive playcalling from Stanford, especially against a strong rushing defense. They deserved to lose that game, based on poor QB play and shitty coaching.
   1055. cmd600 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:06 PM (#4268325)
The question isn't whether he was down -- he clearly wasn't


But if his forward progress is stopped, which I thought happened, then the ref has to rule him down.
   1056. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4268343)
I guess I just didn't see it that way. Whatever, I'm not really invested in it one way or the other.
   1057. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:25 PM (#4268353)
I'm pretty sure Taylor got in. The question isn't whether he was down -- he clearly wasn't -- but whether he lost control of the ball before it got across the line.

I thought his elbow was down when he reached but I think the real issue for the officials was that he was whistled down before that last lunge toward the end zone. At least the line judge is already on the field before his last reach.

EDIT: But I must admit that I'm biased since I'm a big ND fan.
   1058. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4268454)
I was way wrong on UT v OU.

LSU DL is incredible. Too bad they have to play offense too.
   1059. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:31 PM (#4268460)
I recently put tOSU at IU on one of my TVs, I think I've seen one positive play for IU. I'm guessing they scored on 2 big plays? They've had the ball for about six minutes. (another tOSU TD as I type.).
   1060. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4268708)
If you watched college gameday this morning then you saw me. Had the huge heisman sign with teo on it next to the b kelly hope sign.
   1061. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: October 14, 2012 at 10:25 PM (#4270456)
BCS top 5 alabama florida oregon kstate and notre dame
   1062. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4270904)
Mich opening line -10.5 against MSU. Where are the folks upthread who were talking about how awesome MSU was going to be this season.
   1063. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:55 AM (#4270914)
zop

and now the msu coach is supposedly on the hot seat and has been combative in news conferences
   1064. zonk Posted: October 15, 2012 at 12:14 PM (#4270930)
I have no idea what to think of the B1G10 right now -- yes, it's just not a good conference at all this year, so I suppose the rest of the CFL world can issue a collective "who cares?" -- but internally, there's really no team except Illinois that looks completely hopeless and no team except for maybe the ineligible Buckeyes that looks decent (and even they've underperformed on occasion).

The Spartans were supposed to be favorites - flawed favorites, but favorites - and they've now had their flaws laid bare for two weeks in a row.

Purdue was a fashionable darkhorse, but now they're looking done.

Michigan seems like they've gotten their act together - but have done so against a couple really weak squads.

Wisconsin seems like they might be in a position to salvage their season.

Nebraska might be the best bowl eligible B1G10 team, but they got run over.

Iowa seems to have really put things together since conference play started.

Don't overlook the Wildcats -- this weekend's tilt against Nebraska looms huge... Even with the PSU loss, they still control their own destiny.
   1065. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM (#4270963)
the wisky loss to oregon state at oregon state doesn't look that bad now but the pollsters are clearly still punishing wisconsin for what was a loss on the road to a ranked team

wisconsin was also pushed by utah state a team that opened its conference season by sacking the opponent's qb 13 times. utah state is a solid team.

i am not suggesting wisconsin is a world beater. but this team has two losses by a total of six points on the road.

the wisconsin defense is legitimately solid and the pass rush is improving as guys get back from injury

the young qb is getting his sea legs.

the placekicker and punter are still shaky and too much of the return game centers on number 4 who is also the team's best receiver

but if wisconsin gets to the big10 championship game i don't think it will be an embarrassment to the conference.
   1066. zonk Posted: October 15, 2012 at 12:57 PM (#4270996)
Oh sure, hw --

I'm just saying at this point, it feels like you could say the same about 6-7 -- maybe even 8 -- teams.

Three weeks in and the only thing I can say for sure is that Ohio State looks like the only legit national power, and they're not going anywhere.
   1067. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 15, 2012 at 01:26 PM (#4271044)

Michigan seems like they've gotten their act together - but have done so against a couple really weak squads.


To be fair, Michigan played a fine game against ND but turnovered the game away. It was a bit flukey. The main argument against Michigan is that they got shitstomped by 'Bama - but, like, so what?

(This is not to say Michigan is a good team, but they're leaps and bounds better than the little sisters of the Big 10.)
   1068. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4271070)
Mich opening line -10.5 against MSU. Where are the folks upthread who were talking about how awesome MSU was going to be this season.


awesome? no, better than this? yeah, at least good enough to win a crap league.
   1069. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4271112)
Has anybody else been enjoying watching Johnny Manziel play QB for A&M. He's got to be one of the 2 or 3 most exciting players to watch in football today.

He's capable of some of the most reckless (good and bad) plays. Late last week at La Tech in that wild 59-57 game, he nearly took a 35 yard sack on a play deep in the red zone. Then he's busting off another long run, and throwing for 400 yards, rushing for 180.
   1070. hokieneer Posted: October 15, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4271119)
He took a 35 yard sack? How is that even... feasible?

EDIT, I now see where you said "nearly". Still, how is that feasible?
   1071. zonk Posted: October 15, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4271176)
To be fair, Michigan played a fine game against ND but turnovered the game away. It was a bit flukey. The main argument against Michigan is that they got shitstomped by 'Bama - but, like, so what?

(This is not to say Michigan is a good team, but they're leaps and bounds better than the little sisters of the Big 10.)


They barely got by AF, though, and the two teams that they stomped look like the two worst teams in the conference... Heck, Illinois might be able to make a case that they're the worst BCS team in the country by season's end, the way they're playing.

Purdue, I don't know what's happened to them... but since losing that close one - in a game where they looked pretty decent - to ND, they just seem to have packed it in.

Maybe Michigan has finally decided that they'll live or die with Robinson -- something they should have understood offensively from before game 1 anyway -- but nothing beyond Robinson especially impresses or scares me. I'm not trashing their defense, but neither does it frighten me. I don't think their O line is anything like the Michigan O lines of the past decades. Special teams, receiving corp, ground game... I'm not saying they look awful in any of them, but I see nothing special beyond a truly exciting QB.
   1072. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 15, 2012 at 02:46 PM (#4271223)
Ladies and Gentlemen, your #15 Rutgers Scarlet Knights!!!

I was at the game on Saturday. A little bummed that Harrison dropped the wide open TD pass that would have made it a 30-7 drubbing. But beating Sewercuse is always a good thing. Have fun in the ACC! Maybe you'll finish ahead of BC or Duke once in a while....
   1073. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 15, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4271247)
hokie

i watched a badger running back named chucky davis reverse his field approximately 7 times and take a 20 7ard loss

kids do weird stuff because they cannot give up
   1074. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: October 15, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4271281)
Florida's the number two team in the BCS. That's a wee bit ambitious, though I suppose based on resumes it's not an unreasonable idea. And they'll have plenty of opportunities to justify it: South Carolina, Georgia, FSU and a potential berth in the SEC title game against 'Bama.

I still think the likeliest result is a 9-3 regular season record, which would be mildly disappointing after a 6-0 start. But it's nice to be competitive and relevant again.
   1075. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4271813)
Re: Manziel's nearly 35 yd loss on a sack. It was a bit of a sprint out to the left at about the La Tech 10, and he reversed his course a couple of times, as suggested by Harveys, he got back to about the La Tech 45 yard line before he turned it back towards the 40 before he fired the ball to the LOS and out of bounds. He had a couple headscratchers like that at Ole Miss a week ago, but again has bookended those plays with some amazing plays. He's definitely worth watching.

btw: LSU at Texas A&M this weekend. This was to be my annual SEC game to attend this fall, but I've been summoned elsewhere this weekend/next week.
   1076. Every Inge Counts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:41 PM (#4272157)
Alabama begins their four week stretch to see if they play for the national title (outside of a possible SEC title game).
At Tennessee
Mississippi State
At LSU
Texas A&M

I don't think lose to Tennessee, but the other 3 games are challenging in their own right and it would not surprise me to see them drop one of these games.

Win those four, got a gimme game against Western Carolina and another should be gimme against Auburn
   1077. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 16, 2012 at 12:56 AM (#4272198)
I still think the likeliest result is a 9-3 regular season record, which would be mildly disappointing after a 6-0 start. But it's nice to be competitive and relevant again.


You know, if they win out, I assume they'll go into the SEC title game having passed Alabama for #1, at least in the BCS. But they're about equally likely to drop a bunch of games and miss the BCS altogether. Hard to know what to make of the Gators this year.
   1078. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 16, 2012 at 09:41 AM (#4272269)

Mich opening line -10.5 against MSU. Where are the folks upthread who were talking about how awesome MSU was going to be this season.

846. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 27, 2012 at 05:57 PM (#4219501)
If anything, I think MSU is a little overrated. I agree that their defense will be very good, but a lot of question marks on offense. They may fill those holes, they may not.


From the previous thread. I gotta brag about something.
   1079. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 16, 2012 at 09:42 AM (#4272272)
Iowa seems to have really put things together since conference play started.

Iowa has a good defense, a very good o-line, and a good running back in Weisman, who may be out this weekend.

Their passing game has been terrible, with Vandeberg ranking something like #112 in the country in passing efficiency. He was very good last year, if he can turn things around we'll have a good team.

   1080. steagles Posted: October 16, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4273118)
in NCAA related shark jumping news: Sports wagering law forces NCAA to remove championships from New Jersey
The NCAA has been forced to relocate several championships from New Jersey because of a new state law now in effect allowing sports wagering on professional and collegiate games.

The six championships, all scheduled in 2013, include the Division III Wrestling Championships, East Regionals (Ewing, March 2), Division I Men’s and Women’s Swimming and Diving Championships, Diving Regionals (Piscataway, March 14-17), Division I Women’s Basketball Championship, Trenton Regional (Trenton, March 30-April 2), Division III Men’s Volleyball Championship (Hoboken, April 26-28) and the Division II and III Women’s Lacrosse Championships (Montclair, May 18-19). All six championships will be moved to new host sites and cities, to be determined at a later time.


   1081. steagles Posted: October 16, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4273124)
and in case you're wondering, there is a huge market here in new jersey for gambling on division III women's lacrosse games. i, myself, have wagered $3500 on montclair state university to take home the title this year. who can turn down 35:1 odds on something like that?

   1082. Spivey Posted: October 16, 2012 at 11:15 PM (#4273449)
What happened in Texas/OU is exactly what I expected. It's sad, in a way, that the only way Texas can beat OU is when we have a colossal advantage in talent. OU just knows how to play defense against Texas, they know all of their tendencies, all of their weaknesses.

WVU/TT was surprising, but I suppose it really shouldn't have been. WVU is in a tricky situation this year - they're probably going to lose every game where they can't throw the ball at a very high level. Big 12 is a total mess this year. It's good, but I think which teams look like the favorites each week is going to change. The one constant I think is going to be OU. I don't see any way KSU can get through the conference without a couple of losses.
   1083. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM (#4273523)
The one constant I think is going to be OU


I hope you're right about this, at least during their tussle w ND.
   1084. Cowboy Popup Posted: October 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM (#4273577)
WVU/TT was surprising, but I suppose it really shouldn't have been. WVU is in a tricky situation this year - they're probably going to lose every game where they can't throw the ball at a very high level.

They really need Alston back. With him and Buie, they would be a much more formidable running team.

Robert Smith showed some clips of how the WVU CBs were playing Tech receivers, and it was just horrible. They were playing way off the line and still getting beat deep because they didn't open their hips and start running with the WRs until the WRs were right on top of them. They may be young, but the coaching is really not reaching them. If there isn't some improvement in the secondary soon, Holgorsen should take a hard look at his defensive staff.

That said, the way the run defense has played this year leaves me mildly optimistic about Saturday's game, even though Klein poses a new and unique challenge.

The one constant I think is going to be OU.

We will see. They still have some tough road games to get through, @ WVU, Iowa State and TCU. Iowa State and TCU should be able to give them enough problems with their defenses to create the possibility of an upset and WVU should be able to keep up with them, but will still probably lose.
   1085. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: October 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM (#4273635)
I have to ask why is it you guys hate Nd? I will hold off o. My anwser as to why us Latowski's love them until then.
   1086. hokieneer Posted: October 17, 2012 at 12:22 AM (#4273655)
I don't see any way KSU can get through the conference without a couple of losses.


I would say WVU beats K-state by 2 scores, given how WVU loves to not show up for the likes of TT and Syracuse, but show up for the big games. I"m hesitant because K-state's defense is mostly upperclassmen with a lot of experience. KSU will be ready and will probably play better than they did in Ames Saturday.

I still think WVU pulls out a victory, and I would take WVU in the -2 to -3 range that I have seen.
   1087. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 17, 2012 at 12:27 AM (#4273660)
It isn't about hating ND, it is the want for ND to be relevant, so we can go back to hating them. College football is best when the famous heroes and villains are in the script. It isn't fun when the Big East is rotating spots in the top 5 and Missouri v Kansas is an important game....in football.

Now that ND is back in form (somewhat) it is time to stir up my own echoes. A sidebar reason is my own selfish reasons to hope to see Kansas State play for the title. I did the same in '98, before things went bad in OT vs A&M in that Big XII CCG. I know this appears to directly conflict with my aforementioned remarks, but I have a ton of admiration for Bill Snyder, despite what the bowl game executive honks think of him and some in the media. He was nice to me the two times I engaged with him as a member of the media, and his work at K-State is truly remarkable. I don't think KSU stands a chance to make the game as a 3rd undefeated team (assuming two others are either: Bama, UO, or ND, or UF).
   1088. madvillain Posted: October 17, 2012 at 12:50 AM (#4273676)

Maybe Michigan has finally decided that they'll live or die with Robinson -- something they should have understood offensively from before game 1 anyway -- but nothing beyond Robinson especially impresses or scares me. I'm not trashing their defense, but neither does it frighten me. I don't think their O line is anything like the Michigan O lines of the past decades. Special teams, receiving corp, ground game... I'm not saying they look awful in any of them, but I see nothing special beyond a truly exciting QB.


It's not that they "decided to live or die with robinson" it's that they a) aren't playing that semi-pro team down in Tuscaloosa anymore and b) decided (hopefully) once and for all that Denard is not Cade Mcnown / Steve Young / Vince Young Texas / etc. He's Denard Robinson. Let him run the read option, the QB power, and the vast majority of passes are of the "you have two reads, one is your primary target, the next is run" variety.

Al Borges is a bit of a stubborn knucklehead at times, but he's not an idiot. Denard is not a guy you want ever turning his back to the LOS or rolling out. Let him survey the field from the shotgun and make an easy read, if it's not there, run, he runs a 4.3 40 and Put on a show verse a decent Illini defense.

And of course all this is predicated on a very good Michigan defense. Michigan held a good ND offense in check and curb-stombed Purdue and Illinois. Yea those teams are bad, but Michigan didn't even let them get off the mat. Greg Mattison is a genius at the college level and hybrid linebacker / DE Jake Ryan is a playermaker in the Clay Matthews mode (I'm serious, he does the same stuff and even has the exact same hair) to complement a solid if not spectacular secondary and d-line.

Michigan could easily lose 1 or more games the rest of the way (@ Lincoln, @ Ohio) but they could also easily be in the Rose Bowl. The B1G sucks, Michigan might be very good -- not elite -- but very good.
   1089. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 17, 2012 at 07:33 AM (#4273742)
I have to ask why is it you guys hate Nd?


Who do people hate the Yankees?

Actually, now it's about how comically overrated they are every year, and how they end up in BCS bowls getting their heads stomped while better teams play in the Toilet Bowl.
   1090. just plain joe Posted: October 17, 2012 at 09:30 AM (#4273790)
Actually, now it's about how comically overrated they are every year, and how they end up in BCS bowls getting their heads stomped while better teams play in the Toilet Bowl.


This, and that the "Pugnacious Hibernians" typically come across as just a wee bit sanctimonious for my tastes. All of that Touchdown Jesus and "win one for the Gipper" stuff just rubs me the wrong way.
   1091. zonk Posted: October 17, 2012 at 09:32 AM (#4273792)
I have to ask why is it you guys hate Nd? I will hold off o. My anwser as to why us Latowski's love them until then.


For me, personally, I grew up about 20 minutes outside of South Bend... and I actually WAS an ND fan until I went off to college - Lou Holtz's national title came when I was in HS and I suspect in some trunk somewhere, I still have old Catholics vs. Convicts and Catholics vs Creminals T-shirts.

Once you're outside that bubble, though - it just really starts to grind you how obnoxious the whole thing gets... I fell out of love with ND even when I initially landed at Northwestern and Gary Barnett was taking over those awful Francis Peay teams at Northwestern, but would still lukewarm cheer for them against most opponents (generally, non-Big 10 games).

I was at the 17-15 NU-ND game in 1995, and that was the moment I went from an ex-ND fan to ND hater -- because there's nothing quite like the stunned, silent opposition that had spent the previous evening out at the bars talking up their inherent and undeniable superiority, spent the entire tailgate telling you the same, and only excepting the last few minutes, still insisted that somehow 'God would find a way for ND to win.' It's sort of like the valedictorian star QB who was a little bit douchy, but not really bullyish enough to be hated, finally getting the comeuppance....
   1092. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 17, 2012 at 09:53 AM (#4273805)
For me, personally, I grew up about 20 minutes outside of South Bend... and I actually WAS an ND fan until I went off to college - Lou Holtz's national title came when I was in HS and I suspect in some trunk somewhere, I still have old Catholics vs. Convicts and Catholics vs Creminals T-shirts.

At gameday for the ND/Stanford game somebody was sporting a "Catholics vs. Conifers" sign. I got a chuckle out of it.
   1093. Eddo Posted: October 17, 2012 at 10:10 AM (#4273817)
It isn't about hating ND, it is the want for ND to be relevant, so we can go back to hating them. College football is best when the famous heroes and villains are in the script. It isn't fun when the Big East is rotating spots in the top 5 and Missouri v Kansas is an important game....in football.

I couldn't disagree more. Which gets at why I hate Notre Dame, along with many of the other traditional powers. In a given year, one or two of them might have certain players or attributes that make me like them, but I'd rather see some underdogs reach the biggest games.

Alabama/LSU/Florida vs. Oklahoma/Texas/USC/Ohio State for the national title every year is boring to me.
   1094. Cowboy Popup Posted: October 17, 2012 at 12:03 PM (#4273973)
I don't hate ND, I'm mostly an anyone but the SEC guy on the national scene right now, even though I don't hate the SEC. If ND is the team to knock the SEC of the perch, I'll be plenty happy.

I "hate" FSU the way most people "hate" ND. They have been absurdly overranked during the time I have been following the sport and it has been irritating to listen to. They would probably be the one non-SEC team I don't want to see win the MNC.
   1095. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: October 17, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4274234)
Zonk where did you grow up at? I can understand why you guys hate em just was curious. Thanks for the responses. And i remember that northwestern game ugh
   1096. zonk Posted: October 17, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4274250)
Zonk where did you grow up at? I can understand why you guys hate em just was curious. Thanks for the responses. And i remember that northwestern game ugh


Little town called New Carlisle -- pretty much smack dab in between LaPorte and South Bend on highway 20...
   1097. just plain joe Posted: October 17, 2012 at 02:58 PM (#4274290)
Little town called New Carlisle -- pretty much smack dab in between LaPorte and South Bend on highway 20...


I have been thru New Carlisle several times, although not for a good many years. I have relatives who formerly lived in LaPorte and my family would visit during the summers. It is my aunt's fault that I wasted 30 years of my life as a Cubs fan, she would have the game on during the day and I would watch. During the 1969 season she promised to take me to the World Series if the Cubs made it; needless to say I'm still waiting.
   1098. hokieneer Posted: October 17, 2012 at 03:17 PM (#4274327)
Hmm I really want to beat KSU now.

My favorite quote so far:


when people think of ksu cats football, they immediately think of legendary head coach LHC Bill Snyder and our decade + of dominance, and BCS games, i.e.- the big boys of college football ('bama, usc, ksu, nd, etc)

when people think of west virginia, i don't think they associate it with anything but maybe the head basketball coach bob huggins.

so when we play against them, they don't see anything on the wvu sideline and they see a college football blue blood on our sideline.


Have I been in a coma for 20+ years?
   1099. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: October 17, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4274377)
EDIT: Nevermind.
   1100. hokieneer Posted: October 17, 2012 at 03:52 PM (#4274390)
I got trolled, and I apologize for sharing it. I saw the screen capture for the first page on FB, thought it was a photoshopped troll attempt, but when I found the site and started reading I thought they were serious. After skimming the huge thread, and seeing K-state's official twitter response to it, I realize it was a brilliant long-winded community trolling attempt.

Still hilarious though, but for different reasons.

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