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Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: August 30, 2012 at 12:52 AM | 1503 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   301. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 08, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4230336)
purdue's short abuses the nd center and gets the sack

beautiful swim move
   302. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 08, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4230337)
Penn State goes down again, missing a last second field goal and falling to Virginia.

The kicker went 1 for 5! Hilarious, although I do feel bad for him, I am really enjoying the absolute failure of the team so far.

How about K-State absolutely embarrassing Miami? Wow. I thought it would be closer than that.

Syracuse hasn't been destroyed by USC yet.
   303. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 08, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4230341)
purdue goes for it on a short fourth down at nd 40 and succeeds

good for them
   304. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:03 PM (#4230347)

The kicker went 1 for 5! Hilarious, although I do feel bad for him, I am really enjoying the absolute failure of the team so far.


Apparently their regular kicker (who went 14 of 17 last year) transferred to Texas. Oof.
   305. SteveM. Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:05 PM (#4230348)
AJ McCarron with two long touchdowns to start the game. I have no clue why people think he is just a game manager. He is the best Bama QB in 20 years.
   306. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4230351)
It's the narrative we associate with 'Bama. Tough running backs, big offensive lines, game manager QBs.
   307. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4230353)
AJ McCarron with two long touchdowns to start the game. I have no clue why people think he is just a game manager. He is the best Bama QB in 20 years.

I think you're right, but for most of last year, he wasn't asked to kick ass and it takes a while for people to shake that impression. I think the first time I saw him really rock was against Auburn last year. He had some monster pass, maybe on a flea flicker, that pretty much ended the game (like in the second quarter) and it was clear he was a whole lot more than a game manager.

Syracuse's defense is blowing up USC's offensive line right now. I don't know how that happens, but it is fun to watch. I'm guessing it won't last but I'm going to enjoy it while it happens.
   308. SteveM. Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:15 PM (#4230354)
I think the reason why Saban went after the Washington OC to replace MacEwalyn this offseason was that he wanted to open up the offensive more. When you have 4 running backs who could start at almost any school, the play action pass can become your best friend.
USC should worry if they have O-line problems. They have no depth.
   309. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4230356)
You know, I always figured that even if Muschamp was a poor head coach, UF would end up with a damn good defense with him at the helm. The defense's utter bewilderment at the sight of a quarterback who can run is testing my faith a bit.
   310. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4230359)
USC should worry if they have O-line problems. They have no depth.

I think they were being outschemed a bit. They've adjusted and just flew down the field for a TD.
   311. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:38 PM (#4230363)
2 yards for a first down and wisconsin o-line gets beaten at the point both times.

yuck
   312. SteveM. Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:38 PM (#4230364)
AJ with his 3rd TD pass with a beautiful fade.
   313. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:42 PM (#4230366)
and now the defense is on its heels.

osu is clearly all jazzed up to play and is taking it to the badgers

the end the quarter might help wisky get its bearings on defense.
   314. Daunte Vicknabbit! Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:42 PM (#4230367)
Please tell me I'm not the only person who noticed that when the Gator kid got leveled inside the 5 the guy from TAMU was clearly on the ground with some kind of head trauma himself but tried to hide it by getting up really quickly.

Jesus christ this #### is barbaric.
   315. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4230374)
Driskel actually looks pretty good when he throws the ball. But UF's receivers blow, so they can't get open, so he's on the wrong end of a lot of coverage sacks. He's not showing a lot of what the kids these days call "pocket presence."
   316. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:53 PM (#4230375)
The only surefire future NFLer on the Gator roster right now is Caleb Sturgis.
   317. Daunte Vicknabbit! Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4230382)
Caleb's a nice kid, so I'm happy he's figured himself out. Very quiet, sort of awkward, exactly what you'd expect out of a kicker. It was always amusing seeing him and the...gregarious, very large Chas Henry together.
   318. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 08, 2012 at 05:03 PM (#4230384)
I actually first wrote about Sturgis when he was a high schooler at St. Augustine. His team played Baker County in a playoff game while I was working for the local paper in Baker and covering the high school there. St. Augustine killed Baker County, and the lede to my game story was an account of the exhibition Sturgis put on halftime, where he made a big show of kicking multiple field goals from 50, 55 and 60.
   319. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 08, 2012 at 05:09 PM (#4230387)
back to back awful passes by the wisky qb on open throws.

after tolzien and wilson i think badger fans forgot what it was like to have a mediocre qb
   320. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 08, 2012 at 05:28 PM (#4230396)
after tolzien and wilson i think badger fans forgot what it was like to have a mediocre qb

Maybe they miss that genius Paul Chryst ;-)

They caught a break there with the missed field goal. We'll see if they come out focused after half time.
   321. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 08, 2012 at 05:28 PM (#4230397)
credit the wisco defense and special teams.

offense was beyond dreadful mostly because the o-line struggled at times and the qb is clearly rattled.

better hitch up your pants son cause the big ten season doesn't get easier
   322. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 08, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4230400)
Wow, a Gators receiver lets a touchdown catch bounce right off his hands. Ew.
   323. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 08, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4230403)
Yeah, the best Gator receiver at that.

I take some solace in how well Driskel played on that drive.
   324. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 08, 2012 at 06:05 PM (#4230418)
and osu takes the opening kickoff and despite starting at their own 12 march it down the field and convert a 3rd and 12 at the wisconsin 23 for an easy td as the secondary doesn't cover anybody

i am glad. i loathe the wisconsin head coach and this type of game demonstrates that unless he has an overwhelming talent advantage he can't coach.


   325. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 08, 2012 at 06:07 PM (#4230420)
Wow, Air Force is making things interesting in Ann Arbor: about to be 24-28 in the 4th quarter.

EDIT: 25-28, got a 2 point conversion instead.
   326. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 08, 2012 at 06:10 PM (#4230425)
so the badgers run two running plays with osu playing 9 guys in the box and on 3rd and 12 obrien throws a woefully underthrown ball that is intercepted.

thankfully the db had to go to his knees to catch it or it would have been returned

wisky is about to get blown out

i feel for the players but am glad that the wisky head coach is being embarrassed
   327. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 08, 2012 at 06:12 PM (#4230429)
Iowa is still losing but only down three. Not a banner day for the Big Ten. I feel more comfortable with picking MSU to win that conference after this week.
   328. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 08, 2012 at 06:14 PM (#4230431)
Mike Gillislee is a stud. How did he spend the previous three years chained to the bench?
   329. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 08, 2012 at 06:17 PM (#4230434)
so wisconsin gets a gift on the punter dropping the ball and after getting to the 9 yard line the wisconsin qb demonstrates no awareness by moving right into a sack and fumble

this guy is having a horrendous game. goodness
   330. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 08, 2012 at 06:26 PM (#4230442)
wisky defense somehow holds and offense gets the ball at 42

run for a yard loss

screen for 5 yard loss

dumpoff pass on 3rd down and now a punt

clear sign that coaches have no faith in qb

and if so why is the kid playing?

if you are down 10-0 and getting stuffed at the point you have to throw. you do. it's that or get rolled
   331. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 08, 2012 at 06:53 PM (#4230451)
2-0! Muschamp on pace for the greatest season in Florida history!

Seriously, that was some impressive second half work, especially by the UF defense. Muschamp and company deserve a lot of props for that.
   332. Daunte Vicknabbit! Posted: September 08, 2012 at 07:34 PM (#4230469)
Wow, cannot believe we won after how bad the defense looked in the second half.

As for Gilislee being too good to have sat for so long, I think it springs from Meyer's horrible unwillingness to let guys who don't look great in practice play even if they're good in games. And vice versa, ie Kestahn Moore playing all the ####### time while the numerous 4 star backs we recruited rotted on the pine.
   333. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: September 08, 2012 at 07:46 PM (#4230478)
Colorado falls to Sacramento State, 30-28.
   334. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4230615)
ULM's Kolton Browning throws a 23-yard TD on 4th-and-10 in the final minute to force overtime at Arkansas, wherein he scrambles for the winning score on 4th-and-1 from the 16.
   335. Spivey Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4230621)
The Big 10 embarrassed themselves pretty bad today.

Arkansas looked really bad, outplayed thoroughly once Wilson went out.

UCLA is showing why you should be willing to fire a coach that can't make clear progress in rebuilding a program within 2 years.
   336. Spivey Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:18 PM (#4230622)
Also...

Michigan State is again the class of the Big 10.
   337. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4230623)
The missed tackling tonight for Nebraska, especially certain TFL, which turned into big gains for UCLA, the killer tonight. Even w/o Burkhead, Nebraska should've been better on ground tonight. Defense never gave offense field position. Nice job UCLA.

Still don't know what to make about Tim Beck's (NU's OC) identity for this offense, even after 16 games.
   338. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:22 PM (#4230624)
Also...

Michigan State is again the class of the Big 10.


as more than one of us noted earlier in this thread, or was it the off season thread, in the face of others.
   339. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:28 PM (#4230628)
End of ULM at Ark in reg. as well as OT was really thrilling.

btw: only lightning saved Savannah St tonight. I'll be sure to tell my daughter in the morning that her namesake did not lose ATS (didn't beat it either).
134-0 in about 6 quarters+.
   340. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:31 PM (#4230630)
Really good win for UCLA
   341. Spivey Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:31 PM (#4230631)
The ULM quarterback was really impressive.
   342. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:37 PM (#4230639)
End of ULM at Ark in reg. as well as OT was really thrilling.

That scramble to win it was thrilling!

What looked like a snoozer weekend turned out to be awesome. Wisconsin, Nebraska and ARKANSAS(!) all go down. Plus a lot of lesser games were pretty freaking exciting. Good week, lots of turmoil, lots of fun.

as more than one of us noted earlier in this thread, or was it the off season thread, in the face of others.

Yeah, totally. MSU may have their faults, but among the Big Ten, their problems are insignificant. Their QB looked more than serviceable today, albeit against a lousy opponent. And Bell got something of a day off.
   343. Spivey Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:41 PM (#4230643)
Kansas lost to Rice. I think that's the only Big 12 loss so far this year.
   344. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:43 PM (#4230645)
Kansas lost to Rice. I think that's the only Big 12 loss so far this year.

Yup, but Ok. St. is getting a heck of a game right now.
   345. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:58 PM (#4230663)
But, but but Weis is a genius offensive mind.
   346. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:58 PM (#4230664)
Awful stuff from the Tulane-Tulsa game:

"According to John Moss of KTUL-TV in Tulsa, a Tulsa trainer told him, 'Walker suffered a broken neck and collapsed lung. He had to be revived on field, and a tracheotomy was performed.'
   347. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 09, 2012 at 12:01 AM (#4230666)
w/advent of Pac 12 network, for those of us in the eastern US, who don't have DISH, have really made late night college football viewing a bit tougher for now.

oSu at AZ and Duke at Stanford out of sight.
   348. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 09, 2012 at 12:06 AM (#4230672)
I think that's 4 wins vs SEC for ULM in recent history, most recently at Bama in Saban's first season in '07. I think the others were UK and either Ole Miss or Miss St.
   349. Shredder Posted: September 09, 2012 at 12:14 AM (#4230678)
Finally UCLA goes outside the family, and the new attitude is evident in the defense. And all the O line problems weren't Neuheisel's fault (injuries, missions, and idiots like Stan Hasiak) , but this is the first competent O line at UCLA in at least a half a decade. Also, horrible, horrible night for the Big Ten.
   350. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 09, 2012 at 12:20 AM (#4230683)
Also, horrible, horrible night for the Big Ten.

And a big night for the Pac-12, and it could get bigger if Arizona can keep slapping around the Cowboys. ASU is drilling Illinois too.

But yeah, I thought the Big Ten might take a step forward this year, but instead, they've gone backwards. Nebraska and Wisconsin probably don't deserve to be ranked right now. Michigan was lucky to get away with a W against Air Force. I'm wondering how much damage Northwestern can do in the conference this year. They might have the two best OOC wins in the conference this year.
   351. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 09, 2012 at 12:28 AM (#4230691)
And a big night for the Pac-12, and it could get bigger if Arizona can keep slapping around the Cowboys. ASU is drilling Illinois too.


If only the new kids could carry their weight. Losing to a school that likely treats that as a bigger game than you do, in terms of rivals, Utah's is BYU, not much shame that, but Sac State?

Ill is fkd w/o Scheel. wouldn't matter though. AZ with a good half, +2 in turnovers. let's see.

btw: 53/77 581 4TDs 0 Int, 692 total yards, not getting it done for Houston against La Tech.
   352. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: September 09, 2012 at 12:32 AM (#4230697)
Finally UCLA goes outside the family, and the new attitude is evident in the defense. And all the O line problems weren't Neuheisel's fault (injuries, missions, and idiots like Stan Hasiak) , but this is the first competent O line at UCLA in at least a half a decade. Also, horrible, horrible night for the Big Ten.


Disagree. If Neuheisal was still coach Goines, White, and Brendel would be on the bench and UCLA's "veteran" line would suck. It is clear that the best players play now regardless of seniority.
   353. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 09, 2012 at 01:12 AM (#4230735)
Ok. St.-Arizona is turning into an awesome shootout.
   354. SteveM. Posted: September 09, 2012 at 01:47 AM (#4230763)
I hope John L. Smith is only renting at Arkansas. Wilson is out for the next several weeks.
   355. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 09, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4230993)
Arkansas, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Oklahoma St. fell out of the AP Rankings this week. They were replaced by UCLA, Tennessee, BYU and Arizona.

Things are going a bit better for Rich Rod this time around.
   356. thok Posted: September 09, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4231024)
Somewhat surprisingly, there are only 8 teams outside the big 6 conferences that are still undefeated. And two of those are Notre Dame and BYU. I don't think we'll have any real BCS spoilers this year.
   357. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 09, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4231037)
I know they are first year I-A team, but UMASS is really going to struggle to score any TDs this season. Definitely a team to watch from an ATS standpoint. They are incredibly small for a I-A team. Indiana totally took them to the woodshed and in doing so, lost its own best player, Tre Roberson for the season with a bad leg injury. The game for some reason was at Foxboro. Crowd looked in the low teens.

curious to see the line for at Michigan this week.
   358. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 09, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4231052)
not thrilled to be looking correct but the loss of the offensive line coach looms large

the entire wisconsin offense is predicated on solid line play
   359. zonk Posted: September 09, 2012 at 05:05 PM (#4231088)
Yes, the b1g 10 is not very good... but I see conference title possibilities for the Wildcats!
   360. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 10, 2012 at 12:34 AM (#4231348)
not thrilled to be looking correct but the loss of the offensive line coach looms large

the entire wisconsin offense is predicated on solid line play


and how about the loss of the 'new' OL coach? Markuson is out as OL coach after two games, according to Wis State Journal. Bart Miller to replace. He worked with Bostad if I'm not mistaken.
Harveys?
   361. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 10, 2012 at 07:49 AM (#4231393)
mrams

miller played under bostad at new mexico i think.

i had heard rumors the new guy was fighting with his players. what was obvious is that the line technique has been horrible. shocking how horrible

i don't know how you go through all camp and come out lunging at your assignment and having poor footwork. they said the new guy had all kind of all americans on his resume but something wasn't translating.

i put this on the head coach. this was his hire. he either didn't explain to the guy how wisconsin coaches offensive line play so the guy was trying to overhaul a line that didn't need a new scheme to experience success (having over a decade's worth of success) or he didn't support the guy with the players when the players pushed back (assuming they did push back)

what a mess.
   362. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: September 10, 2012 at 08:23 AM (#4231409)
The game for some reason was at Foxboro. Crowd looked in the low teens.

All of UMass's games are going to be at Foxboro for at least two years. The not-so-brilliant atmosphere of an 80% empty stadium 2 hours away from campus is a small price to pay for the opportunity to be beaten by 40 points every week.

Still a better idea than wasting money on a supposedly FBS-worthy stadium ON campus. As Dave Barry said, if something is not worth doing, it is not worth doing well. Oops, they're doing that too.

For the 2012 and 2013 seasons the Minutemen will play all of their home games at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts.[4] During this time period plans are in place to upgrade McGuirk Stadium to adequate FBS conditions. Stadium seating is to be increased to about 25,000 seats with more seats being added to the sidelines as well as seating additions to the south end of the stadium. The north end will have a new training facility and locker rooms added, and the press box will be elevated to 2 levels with more TV/radio booths as well as Luxury Suites being added.[5]

The cost of this construction is estimated at $20,000,000 and is expected to be completed in time for the 2014 season. The deal with Gillette Stadium calls for UMass to play at least 4 games per year at the stadium from 2014-2016 which would leave open the possibility for 1-2 games per season during those years to be played on campus at McGuirk Stadium.
   363. Spivey Posted: September 10, 2012 at 08:33 AM (#4231410)
That seems really dumb to have a stadium deal extending 3 years after you anticipate your own stadium renovation to be done.
   364. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 10, 2012 at 08:38 AM (#4231411)
no word from the wisconsin head coach. excerpt courtesy of journal-sentinel:

Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema on Monday declined to address the reported firing of offensive line coach Mike Markuson.

“As of now there is no comment on that,” Bielema said, speaking on WIBA-AM (1310). “We’re trying to work through the work week.”

According to multiple reports, Bielema fired Markuson on Sunday, one day after UW’s 10-7 loss at Oregon State.

Bart Miller, in his second season as UW’s offensive quality control coordinator, has been tabbed to replace Markuson.
   365. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 10, 2012 at 09:35 AM (#4231431)
How long does BB get to stay silent on the matter? I'm guessing he has a regular Mon afternoon or Tue. press conference for game week.

Seems like 9/10 questions about UW football right now would be related to this move.
   366. zonk Posted: September 10, 2012 at 10:21 AM (#4231468)
But yeah, I thought the Big Ten might take a step forward this year, but instead, they've gone backwards. Nebraska and Wisconsin probably don't deserve to be ranked right now. Michigan was lucky to get away with a W against Air Force. I'm wondering how much damage Northwestern can do in the conference this year. They might have the two best OOC wins in the conference this year.


The Cats miss Ohio State this year (and OSU is likewise barred from the title game). They do have to travel to East Lansing (and Ann Arbor, but Michigan looks shaky this year). Other than that, it's really just Nebraska at home.

I still think the title game will ultimately be MSU-Wisconsin -- but the cardiac Cats have a real shot with Iowa, Penn State, and Illinois looking down and even Nebraska perhaps not being as dangerous as expected.
   367. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 10, 2012 at 11:06 AM (#4231526)
Am I the only person who is irrationally upset that Arkansas is still ranked 21 in the coaches poll? Nebraska? Fine, whatever, UCLA looks like a good team and it was close. Wisconsin, sure, on the road, Oregon St. has pulled off big upsets before. I don't agree with either of those rankings, but they are somewhat defensible.

But Arkansas lost at HOME to a Sunbelt team that went 4-8 last year. 3-5 in the Sunbelt. This isn't LA Tech for crying out loud! I can't believe these people play such a large roll in picking who plays in the championship game when they don't take that task seriously.
   368. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 10, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4231678)
have no fear, Bama will cause their outright removal in less than a week.
   369. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 10, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4231757)
have no fear, Bama will cause their outright removal in less than a week.

Sure, but now Bama will get credit for "beating a ranked team." And obviously this Arkansas team isn't going to win many games in the SEC but it's just insane that a team that lost at home to ULM could garner any votes whatsoever.
   370. Spivey Posted: September 10, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4231862)
Watching Arkansas play against ULM made me wonder if they can win a single game while Wilson is out.
   371. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 10, 2012 at 04:45 PM (#4231934)
"beating a ranked team."


Old polls. Never understood (not necessarily you CP) people who lean on old polls ("They were ranked at the time."). It may be true that some teams get more mileage out of a win in September like this, than tney would in November, but I never 'counted' a team as ranked, if they are no longer ranked, or ranked much lower.

We can all remember teams like Houston in the early 90s being somewhere in the top 6 preseason and then Miami whips them by 40+, and they tumble to a 4-7 season. Miami didn't beat a 'top 10' Houston team, they beat a crappy 4-7 team
   372. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 10, 2012 at 05:58 PM (#4232001)
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/58036/bielema-explains-letting-markuson-go

Bret Bielema says it always bugged him as a young assistant when head coaches would wait until the end of the season to make necessary staff changes. He told himself he wouldn't do that when he sat in the big chair.

So the Wisconsin coach didn't hesitate to replace offensive line coach Mike Markuson after just two games, even though it may have seemed like a rash or panic move to the outside world. He thought a change was needed, and he believed he had a guy waiting in the wings who could do better.
   373. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 12, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4233644)
Notre Dame is joining the ACC. They won't be a football member but apparently they have agreed to schedule 5 ACC teams each year and will play each school at least once every three years.
   374. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: September 12, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4233661)
I think its a good move for Notre Dame, the big east was on its way down, getting the Olympic sports to the ACC will strengthen them
   375. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 12, 2012 at 11:20 AM (#4233670)
barry

for the sake of the players i hope the change works.

what should happen in the offseason is barry alvarez sitting down and understanding the interview process that led to hiring a guy who was a complete misfit relative to the wisconsin philosophy. how did that happen? don't do the debrief now so folks can focus on the season even though some thoughts might be lost over the interim.

i freely admit i am not a fan of the wisky head coach so my posts on this topic are biased. i consider him to be of low character
   376. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4233720)
So does this mean ND's series with Purdue, MSU or UM is in doubt? I know the Purdue and MSU are both 80+ year series, but can't imagine they can keep all 3 of these games, with the 5 ACC, and then keeping Stanford, USC and Navy.
   377. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 12, 2012 at 12:02 PM (#4233729)
Notre Dame is joining the ACC. They won't be a football member but apparently they have agreed to schedule 5 ACC teams each year and will play each school at least once every three years.

Wow, 5? That's quite a few. I don't think they ever played more than 3 in the Big East. But I guess from Kelly's perspective, that's a stretch of 5-0 or 4-1 every year. Figure one of them will be Pitt every year since they already do that. I would enjoy seeing the Domers take on the Hokies or the Seminoles semi-regularly.

I'll be interested to see how many games are at home for ND. If they agreed to alternate 3-2 every year, that would appear to be a significant concession.

So does this mean ND's series with Purdue, MSU or UM is in doubt? I know the Purdue and MSU are both 80+ year series, but can't imagine they can keep all 3 of these games, with the 5 ACC, and then keeping Stanford, USC and Navy.

Good point. That's 11 games right there.
   378. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 12, 2012 at 12:43 PM (#4233772)
The UM series is ending soon and the Big Ten's consideration of a 9 game conference schedule probably puts all of those in doubt.

I think Navy and USC are the only definite annual games.
   379. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM (#4233780)
Right on Pops. According to this article ND is pretty worried about some of its current partners ditching them and what conference realignment has done to limit their other scheduling options.
   380. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: September 12, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4233853)
I think Standford will stay on, ND always ends the season in California I dont see that stopping
   381. zenbitz Posted: September 12, 2012 at 02:32 PM (#4233931)
As the big 4 conferences get bigger independent ND will have no games to schedule. Within 5 years they will be in the ACC for football too.

Houston/UCLA might break 1300 yards of total offense.
   382. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 12, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4233936)
Well the major conferences appear to be creating some poison pill provisions to hold their members so if the major conferences continue to grow it will be on on non-BCS conference affiliated schools. Furthermore, the big impetus for realignment this time around were the TV contracts going up for bid. With the exception of the Big 12 (I think) they are all in deals that will last for many, many years.

I have no idea what's going to happen to the Big East (I think the ACC may look to steal a non-football member) but otherwise I think the big shifts are done for a while.
   383. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: September 12, 2012 at 06:00 PM (#4234186)
Man, football without UM-ND kinda isn't football, and I'm not even a fan of either team.
   384. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 12, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4234327)
I know it seems that way, but ND/UM have only played 38 times, though the bulk of those games were 1886-1909 and then on again off again from '78-present.
   385. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: September 12, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4234333)
Furthermore, the big impetus for realignment this time around were the TV contracts going up for bid. With the exception of the Big 12 (I think) they are all in deals that will last for many, many years.


There is a provision in these deals that allow the terms to be renegotiated when the conferences expand. So if in 3 years the SEC and PAC-12 think their current deals and undervalued they can add a couple more teams and get more money from ESPN and Fox.
   386. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 12, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4234407)
More Big Ten drama:

Nebraska now looks to play a 3-4 defense this season. As a bookend, one of their DL/NG Chase Rome up and quit today. Depends on who you believe, either he wasn't happy with his playing time, or he was getting owned and didn't like the heat, or being replaced.

They have showed this 3-4 from time to time over the past two seasons, and I know it was practiced a bit in spring/august. Fish bowl continues to get smaller.
   387. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: September 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM (#4234732)
At a press conference the AD for ND said that Navy, USC, and Stanford will stay on the schedule. also isnt the big 10 going to 9 conference games a year?
   388. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 14, 2012 at 12:04 PM (#4235785)
Big Ten is not going to 9 games, at the moment. They were, then they weren't. Many people speculate they'll eventually go to 9, as teams are still keeping their non-conf schedules pretty clear for 2017 and beyond.

   389. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 15, 2012 at 01:18 AM (#4236370)
in case you missed it.

Dan Sileo meltdown on Canes performance at KSU.

Schedule looks a little uninteresting this week. Lots of sidebars though. I can't see Fla at UT going any other way than its gone. Hope I'm wrong. Dooley definitely is a guy who's job status is a week to week gig at this point. First time ranked in 4 years though.

Not that ND is the be all, but Mich State has to show up for the Big Ten. Nebraska and UW better be game on Saturday too, Ark St and Utah St. can definitely hang around if not.
   390. Spivey Posted: September 15, 2012 at 02:07 AM (#4236378)
I'm holding out hope for Stanford/USC. Michigan State and ND should be fun. I think Texas/Mississippi could be decent, depending on how Ole Miss comes out. I think it's a decent enough non-conference week
   391. Spivey Posted: September 15, 2012 at 09:23 AM (#4236431)
That meltdown was funny. But he's got a point. It's amazing that beating Miami by 39 points didn't move KSU up in the polls at all. 10 years ago they looked to be a juggernaut similar to how Alabama is now. I think Alabama has an advantage, as Saban has already learned his lesson about going to the pros.
   392. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 15, 2012 at 11:07 AM (#4236475)
I think it's a decent enough non-conference week

Really? I agree that MSU-ND should be awesome. I think Texas will roll. ASU-Mizzou should be fun, although I'll be really surprised if Mizzou loses. It will also be worth watching to see if Utah St. can take down the Badgers. Florida-Tennessee will be interesting, even if I don't think either team is anywhere close to "back."

But a lot of games lost some luster last week. Bama-Arkansas, Louisville-UNC, and BYU-Utah are all a lot less meaningful after some surprising losses last week and I can't help but feel a little deflated. Of course, WVU has a completely not interesting game today, so maybe that has something to do with it.
   393. hokieneer Posted: September 15, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4236523)
Of course, WVU has a completely not interesting game today, so maybe that has something to do with it.

I wouldn't sleep on JMU. They are a damn good team that has had great success at the 1-AA level and beat VT a few years ago. They will likely have moderate success running the ball and controlling the clock, so I expect the score won't get out of hand. I have no idea what the crowd will be like, but it's going to be an under-filled NFL stadium where JMU fans should have a relatively strong showing.

Of course as I say that, the line for the game just keeps climbing. According to a thread on scout.com, the line has climbed 7 points (all the way to -38) since Tuesday.

EDIT: As you know CP, I'm one of the WVU fans who has been watching for 25+ years, so my natural inclination of pessimism has been easily forged.
   394. Spivey Posted: September 15, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4236543)
If Pitt beats Va Tech, I will guffaw loudly.
   395. Spivey Posted: September 15, 2012 at 12:44 PM (#4236545)
Really

I guess I meant a decent week overall. I was considering Florida/Tennessee in my estimation, though it of course isn't non-conference. Arkansas had no chance anyways. I'm actually more excited to watch them lose by 40 than 20.
   396. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 15, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4236547)
I wouldn't sleep on JMU. They are a damn good team that has had great success at the 1-AA level and beat VT a few years ago. They will likely have moderate success running the ball and controlling the clock, so I expect the score won't get out of hand. I have no idea what the crowd will be like, but it's going to be an under-filled NFL stadium where JMU fans should have a relatively strong showing.

Oh, I know JMU is a good team. But I have a lot of faith in Holgorsen keeping the team focused. I doubt Geno is going to play poorly in a NFL stadium and Holgorsen was pretty open about saying that JMU would be a tougher challenge than Marshall. Still, it's a nothing to win, everything to lose game and I don't enjoy those. This WVU team probably isn't going to lose, they need to keep everyone healthy and put up some style points. It's not the kind of game that turns me on.

If Stewart were still the head coach, I would strongly consider betting on JMU.

EDIT: As you know CP, I'm one of the WVU fans who has been watching for 25+ years, so my natural inclination of pessimism has been easily forged.

Of course! And completely understandable. I may have a naive faith in Holgorsen's coaching, but I've seen enough games over the last 7 years to never take anything for granted. Still, I have a hard time getting up for FCS teams, even good ones.

Pitt is dominating VA Tech. This is unreal.
   397. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 15, 2012 at 12:51 PM (#4236549)
I guess I meant a decent week overall.

You know, my post was obnoxious. The last couple of weeks have been kinda lame on paper and turned out to be pretty exciting. This week has already had a pretty good start with the Pitt game (although they just missed an easy field goal. And then recovered a fumble! Wow!). I shouldn't be so cynical about weeks that haven't started yet.

This week will be awesome, because they are playing college football and baseball at the same time.
   398. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 15, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4236550)
Dang, Pitt missed the field goal. One thing they have goig for them is a running game that allows Pitt to nurse leads with the best of them. Va Tech will have issues if they don't close by the fourth quarter.
   399. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 15, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4236552)
21-0 Pitt! WHOA!
   400. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 15, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4236553)
Ha! 21-0! I wish I weren't stuck at work watching this on a game tracker.
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