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What's the soonest a football coach has ever been fired after winning a national championship?
What's the soonest a football coach has ever been fired after winning a national championship?
My first thought was Larry Coker but I was surprised to look it up and see he got five more years.
Edit: Kolton Browning with a monster run to go up on Auburn 14-7.
The SEC outside Bama/LSU is just not that strong. I'm not sure why we let them drag up our expectations of the rest of the conference. I'm still up in the air on Georgia and Carolina. Also, I can't stand that Georgia just gets another free pass to a 10-2/11-1 season, SEC championship game and 10-15 ranking. The SEC East is incredibly mediocre, and will be decided by who gets to avoid Bama/LSU in crossover games. Georgia gets Ole Miss and Auburn. Yawn.
Developing...
Supposedly the flu.
Nothing's really changed, except Wisconsin. They went from a really good team the last couple of years to so-so this year.
This is not even close to true. Penn St has taken a huge dive. This is not a typical Ohio St performance, though again that's due to off the field circumstances. Even under Rodriguez, Michigan would wait until conference play to underachieve.
No idea why they kicked again. You have to be able to count on your o-line to get you just one yard. And its not simply 'we have to put points on the board'. You have to score, and you still have to stop Ohio St if you're going to win. Getting that last yard all but ensures you had the last possession of the game.
Yep. Yep, yep, yep. I have no idea how Tedford watched those first two kicks and thought, "Yeah, he's got a better shot at making one than the offense has of moving one yard."
I don't think Michigan is much different than last year - they just had an easy schedule last year. They were always going to get blown out by Alabama, that's not under achieving. I guess they struggled against Air Force, but I'm not convinced they wouldn't have done that in previous years. This isn't a vintage Ohio State team, but it's better than last year. Nebraska I think is probably pretty similar to last year. I don't see real significant differences from last year.I think the Big 10 has shown itself to be pretty poor - bowl games are generally the biggest sample of good team vs. good team that we see in the season. The Big 10 has not impressed there. I guess based off of your comment, my immediate thought is to compare the Big 10 this year to last year.
Their Sagarin Rating as a conference is actually a little higher this year so far compared to last year. The main difference between the two years is that the Pac 10 is a little better this year, so they're now the worst conference of the Big 4.
And I don't like to look at bowl performances, especially on their own, and for Big Ten teams. They are really the road team in just about every game, and because their fan bases travel well, they always get bumped to bigger games. Just once in 10 years has the Big Ten failed to get a 2nd team into the BCS.
I guess so.
Well, how about peer conference then?
The Big East is _not_ perceived as a peer.
(Having said that, the Big East's average Sagarin ratings last year for men's hoops and this year for football top those of the ACC. Also, no one takes ACC football seriously.)
I don't think you can call it a rival, not because the BE is a little brother (even pre 2012-15 departures), but because it can't be a rivalry if the ACC fans seem apathetic to football in general. Rivalries are 2 way exchanges.
Part of it, I think, is because much of the conference is (was?) the same 8 schools for years and years - I remember GT (who I (arbitrarily?) root for, albeit kind of dispassionately) being treated as an interloper and that was even then ages ago - whereas the BE is a lot younger and more unwieldy a thing. Conversely, there's hokieneer's note, the taking of all those Big East schools... 'of course they'd rather be in the ACC'. (Actually, that does seem pretty straightforward to me, as a business decision for most of those schools, but that's not what I'm getting at.)
Anyway, all that's moot. BE is having a good day, bully for 'em.
Shoulda been the call before Muschamp. Strong has made it clear that feels strongly for Louisville since they gave him his first head coaching job. But Florida is probably one of two or three programs that could pry him away.
Florida's AD was asked about Strong at Muschamp's introductory press conference. He said he seriously considered Strong, but figured Charlie wouldn't leave Louisville after just one season.
Muschamp's always been more highly regarded as a DC than Strong, which is almost certainly unfair to Charlie, and I think reflects more on personality differences than an actual difference in skills between the two. Strong's not headbutting a player any time soon. But it worked out pretty well for Strong. Louisville's a good job, and if the ADs who were filling the gigs that were actually worth a damn weren't going to give Strong the time of day, he wasn't going to accept a lesser job just to be a head coach.
That's a good reason.
But it worked out pretty well for Strong. Louisville's a good job, and if the ADs who were filling the gigs that were actually worth a damn weren't going to give Strong the time of day, he wasn't going to accept a lesser job just to be a head coach.
Agreed. He can build something pretty awesome in Louisville until he gets the opportunity for a dream job. It's a pretty cool situation to be in. Personally, I hope he stays at Louisville for a long time. I've seen some people suggest Arkansas will go after him, but I don't think he leaves for that job.
Um, Toledo happened. You know, Michigan's first ever loss to a MAC team. #### RR, can't be said enough.
When you are allowed to run your program like a semi-pro team, you get what Bama is now. They oversign and hold "tryouts" every spring, they pay players through 3rd parties, help them cheat in class, etc, etc.
There is so much smoke around the SEC, that if there wasn't fire I'd be shocked.
Bull. I taught classes at Bama with players in it, and no one cheated in it. Its easier to be a big mouth on the internet when you know nothing.
No doubt. But then, so is Charlie Strong, and no one made Strong the coach in waiting at the best job in the country, no one gave Strong the keys to the second-best job in the country without one day of head coaching experience and, frankly, no one was willing to give Strong a half-decent job until Louisville came calling. I think that's the only point Cowboy and I are making.
Wow, touched a nerve eh? Grade inflation at the wonderful Alabama undergrad programs is probably so pronounced no "cheating" is necessary. All of CFB outside of the Ivies, and maybe Stanford, ND and Michigan steer players into easy classes, provide them with "assistance" in the form of tireless tudors, writing coaches, etc and in general make a mockery of the term "student athlete".
The cheating scandal at UNC is the tip of the iceberg my friend. I know you guys down there in SEC land firmly have your head planted in the sand on this, but trust me when I say that the system as as cannot stand, and will soon be exposed for the giant scam that it is. Heck, this past off season in CFB has probably already convinced everyone north of the Mason Dixon line that as current, CFB is a cesspool of cheating, shady characters, and exploitation.
No, but you questioned the honesty of every grad assistant and professor at a major university. You might want to do some actual research before shooing your big mouth on something you know nothing about. And who gives aa damn what some Yankees think about the SEC?
Toledo happened after 2 games against Big 10 teams.
Not that Rodriguez was actually good, but any Michigan fan (as you seem to be) NEEDS to read 3 and Out. Rodriguez never had a chance, even if he would have been given the money to sign a real D-Coordinator.
Congrats on running what you thought was a clean class. That doesn't change the fact that there are, rightfully so, a lot of questions about what is going on with a lot of football programs, especially in the SEC West.
It won't matter much if Muschamp can't figure out a way to cover UT's receivers. Hunter and Patterson are eating UF's secondary alive.
I think Texas made a mistake making Muschamp the coach in waiting. I say that now, but I didn't say it then. But I think they were getting sick of losing their top line coordinators and overreacted. I actually think Strong is a guy I'd like Texas to consider in 5-10 years when Mack Brown's time is done.
ND/MSU
Tennessee/Florida
Stanford/USC
All parts of the country, too.
Edit: Also, Gus Johnson is doing the USC game. Life is good.
Edit: make it 35-love.
SEC ignoring UK too, WKU still having their way with the kitties.
Kansas State and Baylor struggling from the Big 12.
This is more accurate. Also, the SEC and Big 10 (as conferences, not just individually among teams) look quite differently on how teams get to 25 and 85. Big 10 teams have to provide explanations for why they offer scholarships to anyone who might take them over the limit. Meanwhile Saban has repeatedly gotten away with 'no comment' anytime he gets asked which 85 guys are on scholarship.
I wouldn't say jealousy as much as frustration. It's like SEC teams are allowed a 10 yard headstart in a 100 yard dash.
I can't believe a team can be that bad. They lost at home (and thus at altitude) to Sacramento St. They did everything against Fresno--interception, give up 90+ yard pass play, 90+ yard run play, lots of little penalties (motion, etc.)
Football!
UW trying to kill clock, lucky to get a PI call on USU on third down, but they still got to kill clock here. QB DOB was benched at half for J Stave, a rFR, coached by a close friend of mine in high school.
Re: SEC ########, the above posts are stupid from all regards. Alabama is a dirty program and the players all cheat. But the same is true at Michigan and ND and every other goddamned school in the country. Hell, the football players cheated and were funneled to no-work classes at my Ivy alma-mater. Everyone cheats, so setting up this false SEC=dirty, B1G=clean dichotomy is stupid. Its a question of degree, not of kind. Though former-Bama prof claiming everything is on the up and up is just as stupid in his own way.
Stanford's so ####### huge, it's insane. Their defense can struggle against teams like Oregon, but USC doesn't have Oregon speed.
Next three weeks: Utah, @Cal, @COL. That's a runnable stretch.
Meanwhile, Utah State's kicker fanned a 37 yd attempt to win it. Bucky and BB escape.
pretty soon you fat son of a b8tch you better look in the mirror and accept that you are not doing a good job.
how about you take some accountability you homer simpson wanna be? stop stuffing yourself with donuts and do your godd8mn job.
these kids want to succeed. somebody has to show them how.
lazy, sack of sh8t
I agree Wisconsin has badly underperformed. But Wisconsin played a couple of really good teams straight up in the Rose Bowl the last two years after winning the Big 10. That's about the ceiling of what should be expected from Wisconsin.
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