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Haven't seen the play in question, but usually on fake FGs, it isn't the kicker who makes the throw, but the holder, who also typically happens to be the backup QB.
That's very rare these days - it's almost always the punter who holds on field goals. That's due to practice time reasons - the backup QB has to spend time with the offense, while the special teamers (kicker, punter, long snapper) get tons of time between them to perfect their timing.
Which game was it... I watched Jets/49ers, Giants/Eagles, Packers/Saints, Broncos/Raiders.
I think it was the Packers who tried it. I forget.
That's only a problem if you think the refs' job is to correctly penalize every infraction, which I don't think it is. The refs' job is to disincentivize crappy play.
the bad crews anticipate and look bad when what they expected does not happen
Jesus, I wanted the Chiefs to hire Jeff Fisher SOOOOO BADLY.
I thought practice time considerations were the reason why the backup QB was typically the holder. I.e. give the guy something to do while the starting QB takes all the reps.
On fake field goals and punts - there is some game theory operating here. Coaches should probably be way more aggressive on fakes, non-mandatory onside kicks, and 4th downs... but they are worried about making a bad call that costs them their job.
In the Jets/Niners game (you are glad you missed it, even as a Niner fan it was super boring outside of Out Tebowing the Tebows) - the announcers were wondering why a (horrible) Mark Sanchez wasn't pulled in the 4th quarter down 20+ points for Magician Tebow.
"What have you got to lose" doesn't really apply in game 4 of a 16 game season. Tebow's not going to win the game for you and by pulling your QB to have to deal with the fallout in the following weeks.
That was the case in Indianapolis as well with the sundry and assorted backups to Peyton Manning; they seldom took any snaps in practice, much less in a game. One of the many things that bit the Colts in the ass once Manning went down and was no longer available to play.
All the practice time in the world wouldn't have made Curtis Painter acceptable.
Very true, but the occasional game action for Painter would have made it clear that he wasn't the answer. Once this was determined the Colts could have been working on something for the future; simply handing Painter the ball because he was the next man in line didn't work out very well.
I caught the end of the Panthers / Falcons game. I couldn't understand why the Panthers did not go for it on 4th and 1 with ~1 minute remaining. Carolina had already put up nearly 200 yards on the ground at a 5.7 yard per clip. Just don't give the ball back to the Falcons at home, no matter the field position (and that was part of it too, I was assuming they would not execute a perfect punt), when all they needed was a FG.
And as the 2-minute warning approaches -- say, it's 2:06 remaining -- the head coach burns one of his timeouts. I literally saw this last week. With 2:06 to go.
Maybe I am simply missing it, but how in the world does this make sense? You will only lose 6 seconds there if you don't take your timeout. But on the other side of the 2-minute warning you can lose 35 seconds or whatever.
How does this make sense?
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And on a related issue, why would teams ever use a timeout 95% of the time unless it's late in the 4th quarter? A delay of game is only 5 yards, and it would really seem that in most cases you should just take that rather than burn a timeout.
Say this is after a 1st down running play:
Scenario 1: timeout with 2:06, running play, 2-minute warning, running play, timeout. This puts about 1:54 on the clock
Scenario 2: 2-minute warning, running play, timeout, running play, timeout. This puts about 1:48 on the clock.
edit: if you only have one timeout:
Scenario 1: timeout with 2:06, running play, 2-minute warning, running play. This puts about 1:14 on the clock
Scenario 2: 2-minute warning, running play, timeout, running play. This puts about 1:08 on the clock.
Yeah, if the opponent runs the ball it's only a difference of six seconds. But the bigger difference (to me) in the first scenario the opponent is no longer required to run the ball. The other team has already used its timeout and the two minute warning will stop the clock (assuming the play runs six seconds) regardless of what play you choose.
So if you call a timeout before 2:00 the other team has all the options in its playbook again without having to worry about clock management. I'd wait until 2:00 and force the run.
If the Saints didn't call their final TO after the first-down play, then the Pack would have had to run its second-down play with about 2:04 left, followed by the two-minute warning. Then, the Saints would have had their final TO to use after the third-down play, which, assuming they stopped the Pack, would have given them about 35 extra seconds to work with.
However, in this case, since NO just needed a field goal, saving time wasn't that crucial. And following the above template does open up the playbook options for the Packers, since the clock is going to stop after second down regardless what play is run.
I think it's a good strategy if you need a TD to win (or you're playing a team that isn't really a good throwing team). But not in the situation the Saints were in.
I thought that sucking and getting the #1 draft pick in a QB-rich year was their plan for the future.
Man oh man did he drop some. Still, it was a great game to watch as a Bears fan. Offense started slow, but came out in the second half just blazing.
so, right now, the eagles have 2 standout LBs -- demeco ryans and mychal kendricks -- and then 3 more who have gotten on the field -- akeem jordan, jamar chaney, and brian rolle. but there's a 6th LB on their roster, who goes by the name casey matthews, and as far as i can tell, since he was removed from the starting lineup last year (after being absolutely horrendous), has really not been seen.
i know why rolle was released -- because the coverage on special teams this season has been horrendous -- but what i don't get, is why he was released instead of casey matthews, who has done nothing.
also, take a look at the eagles 2011 draft class:
1 - danny watkins -- 27 year old 2nd year lineman, who's pretty terrible
2 - jaiquawn jarrett -- cut
3 - curtis marsh -- who?
4 - casey matthews -- also, pretty terrible
4 - alex henery -- he's been pretty good on FGs, but his lack of leg strength has hurt the team on kickoffs
5 - dion lewis -- hasn't really done anything
5 - julian vandervelde -- cut out of training camp, but was just signed back to the practice squad after being cut by tampa bay
6 - jason kelce -- he was actually really, really good, but he's done for this year with a torn ACL/MCL, and there's no guarantee he'll be as good as he was prior to the injury
6 - brian rolle -- cut
7 - greg lloyd -- cut last year, signed to practice squad, and traded to IND in training camp this year
7 - stanley havili -- cut, signed to practice squad last year, made the team as a FB this year, and when he got extended run for the first time this past week, he looked pretty decent.
so, they had 5 picks in the first 4 rounds, and the best thing you can say about any of them is that henery is an average kicker.
they had 11 picks overall, and now, 5 of them have been cut -- jarrett, vandervelde, rolle, and lloyd, havili --, 3 more remain on the fringes of the roster -- marsh, lewis, and matthews --, and then the other 3 are starters, but 1 of them isn't good -- watkins --, 1 of them is injured and out for the season -- kelce --, and 1 is a kicker, who's really only kind of average.
it's really kind of hard to see how they could have done a worse job.
kevin kolb
matt ryan
matt schaub
and what do they all have in common?
they all either backed up (schaub), were replaced by (kolb), or replaced (ryan) michael vick. 2 thoughts on that:
1, vick must be one hell of a teammate to have that kind of residual effect on all these guys. and
2, i can't wait for the nick foles era.
While poor Vince Young was cut by Buffalo and is now broke.
1st and 10, sack, offensive holding
2nd and 17, 25 yard catch, offensive pass interference
2nd and 27, 22 yard catch, offensive holding
2nd and 37, incomplete pass, illegal hands the face, 5 yard penalty, automatic first down.
also, collinsworth made a hell of a call in the last minute of the game. jared gaither was kind of lame, and he got beat badly by the defensive end on an incomplete pass. collinsworth saw it, and said that SD needed to give him help if they didn't want to lose the game. about 10 seconds after colloinsworth said that, in real time, gaither gave up a sack/fumble/recovery that ended the game.
I don't recall seeing it in the nfl lately, but I particularly enjoy it when a fake fg is called and the play is for the kicker and holder to run the option. Shockingly, it sometimes works. That should result in an automatic forfeit, to let a holder get to the edge like that.
The Bills defense is a joke. I can't believe how bad they look considering how much money they spent to improve the defense this offseason.
As a Mets fan this year you should be well accustomed to a team spending lots of money on a unit and having it be horrible.
It is true that the Mets have made me accustomed to the concept but this year's version didn't make a ton of money. The Mets spent less than the Minnesota Twins this year and were actually 14th in payroll this year. Your point is well made though.
Marshall is looking great but the offense still sucks and so does the line. The defense is looking and have gotten lucky with some fluky interceptions recently.
The Bears have a favorable schedule the next month or so before playing what looks to be at least 7 really tough teams in a row. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Bears go something like 7-1 or 6-2 and then go 3-5 or 2-6 to close out the year.
I think good teams are going to give the Bears fits. Cutler is still making mechanical mistakes out there, and the OL still seems unable to block a determined mouse.
Give Joe Montana and Bill Walsh in-helmet radio and the expanded playbook that allows, and put them in the modern no-touch passers or receivers NFL and Brees would be an also-ran.
Even better, give Unitas those and he'd tell you to go #### yourself.
The Bears have a lot of value in defense and special teams, just like they've had the last 6 or so years. They aren't a lock to make the playoffs, but that has more to do with the the fact that nobody in the NFC other than Atlanta is a lock to make the playoffs right now.
Well, Andy Reid says hello, but in principle, yeah I agree. Nothing bugs me more than seeing a time out called just because there's confusion about the play or the play can't get in on time.
the eagles are 30th in the NFL in turnovers per possession, and 29th in the NFL in starting field position.
in contrast to that, the eagles' defense is 20th in turnovers per possession and 30th in opponents' starting field position.
and in addition to the above, they rank 29th in special teams.
basically, when it comes to hidden yardage, the eagles are the absolute worst team in the NFL.
Alex Smhith is leading the NFL in QB rating and ESPN qb rating statistic. (Imperfect measures, sure, but you can say that a guy doing that is doing more than just "a game manager".)
The Niners are leading the league in points allowed per game. They are second in Yards allowed.
The Niners went 13-3 last season but they weren't a dominant team. This year they might not win as many games but I truly think this team is as good as anybody. Alex Smith, with the same offensive system for two consecutive seasons for the first time in his career, and the most talent at receiver he's ever had is playing great football. The additions of Manningham and Moss, and the progression of Crabtree, has kept defenses honest and that has made the running game way more efficient.
but really, this season has been terrible. between the turnovers, the awful special teams, and the lack of explosivity from the offense, watching these games has been a complete slog. and while the defense has played extremely well, there's been a lack of explosivity from them, as well. no sacks, no fumbles, very few interceptions (they had 4 in the season opener against brandon weeden, but in the 5 games since then, they've had only 3).
people who aren't baseball fans would probably say that watching games the eagles play this season is very much like watching a mediocre baseball game, where nothing really happens. and you kinda think to yourself, "how did they score so many runs/points?"
Kordell Stewart, Part 6.
Part 2 - Aaron Brooks
Part 3 - Michael Vick
Part 4 - Vince Young
Part 5 - Cam Newton
How do you feel about the Steelers?
Seems like we should have a 5.5 in there for His Lordship The Tebow
Kordell was just Randall Cunningham part 2.
If he scales back the running to where it's a change-up in his game, like Aaron Rodgers, he should be great for a long time.
Disconcur. Randall Cunningham had more talent than those guys. Cunningham is more of a Steve Young/Aaron Rodgers type; a real QB who can run, not a scatback who gets the ball snapped his way.
defensive line coach jim washburn - if you've watched this team play so far this season and somehow come to the conclusion that it's the defense that's the problem, then i think you should get to the root of that problem, and that has been the lack of sacks by the defensive line. jason babin, trent cole, and cullen jenkins each make about 10 mil per year, and they've given you nothing. fletcher cox and brandon graham were first round picks -- not just first round picks, but guys that you traded up to get -- and they've given you nothing. the team as a whole has 7 sacks, which ranks 30th in the NFL. if you want to say that the defense was the problem the last two weeks, well, if they had gotten 1 sack each week, at the right time, the eagles are 5-1.
offensive line coach howard mudd - losing your two best offensive linemen is a definite crutch, but still, the offensive line has been terrible. coming into this week, the eagles ranked 30th in stuffed percentage on football outsiders, and that only got worse this week, when the lions had 7 tackles behind the line of scrimmage. when you add the problems they have with pass protection, well, if #### rolls downhill, mudd should be swimming in it by the end of the day.
special teams coach bobby april - again, if you look at football outsiders, the eagles have gotten negative value in kickoff and punt coverage, and kickoff and punt returns. across the board, they've been awful.
interestingly, what those three have in common that juan castillo does not, is that their hires were universally praised, while his was universally mocked.
anyway, unless the entire defense was calling for this move, it seems to me that it has massive backfire potential. in addition to him getting the ax, while more deserving coaches did not, it's also a signal to the team -- players, coaches, assistants -- that they're on their own, that the wheels are coming off the bus and they should be seeking a soft landing spot.
I don't really care about the Steelers. And frankly, I'm not even sure what the point of the question is supposed to be.
i think the suggestion behind the question is that if you find michael vick abhorrent what about the quarterback in pittsburgh who has the nickname of 'rapistberger' among female nfl fans?
Exactly. Castillo's hiring basically meant he'd be the first to go if only because a lot of people assumed he'd be the problem. He is being punished to placate fans, not to actually fix anything.
I do think "Big Ben" is kind of an idiot, but here's the funny thing though: he has never even been formally charged with a serious crime, much less been indicted by a grand jury, much less been convicted.
I know that for some people, the mere accusation of rape or sexual assualt is enough to confer automatic guilt. I'm not one of those people.
It's easy to succeed when you throw to Randy Moss and Chris Carter and have Robert Smith as your running back.
Lovecats!
Being rich and famous means it's never "really" rape.
Multiple accusations. Where there's smoke there's fire.
Only if you look at some of the stats. Your defense will look better when teams keep in a sixth blocker at an abnormally high rate, which happened for most of the season. Castillo is a horrible play caller, can not make in game adjustments that improve the team, has blown too many fourth quarter leads and is not respected by his players. And for all the money and focus the defensive line has been given, they had no sacks in the last three games. The offensive line (due to injuries) and Vick (in part due to the offensive line) are bigger problems this year, but the defensive coaching was the easiest to fix because by almost by default Todd Bowles is better.
Ben Roethlisberger is a rapist as certainly as O.J. Simpson is a murderer. Actually, a double-rapist and a double-murderer.
cut: havili, lloyd, rolle, vandervelde, jarret
benched: watkins, marsh, matthews, lewis
injured: kelce
so, basically, as it stands right now, the eagles had 11 picks, and the only player of consequence that they currently have to show for it is a kicker.
actually, looking back through the andy reid drafts, i have to say, they have not been very good st drafting. they've had flashes. in 2002, they drafted 4 probowlers in lee toe, michael lewis, sheldon brown, and brian westbrook. and then in 2005, they drafted todd herremens and trent cole in the 4th and 5th rounds. in 2007 they drafted brent celek in the 5th round. in 2008 and 2009, they drafted desean jackson and lesean mccoy with 2nd round picks.
now, maybe that's actually better than average, but it really feels like they've done a terrible job in the draft
I have a friend who works as an NFL PR person. When the FIRST allegation against Roethlisberger came out, that person texted me something to the effect of "The first of many."
I think his creepiness and borderline behavior with intoxicated young women was pretty well known in NFL circles.
That was kind of a bummer, especially after the TV crew seemed to indicate that the receiver was pushed out of bounds and was therefore eligible to make the catch. Not that either of those two teams are going anywhere.
Agreed, but the rule there is just stupid. If the player is forced out of bounds he should always be able to reestablsh himself and catch the ball.
maybe i'm just kind of callous, but that's not the kind of thing that'll make me feel bad for someone.
Because:
1) It's easier said than done.
2) If you do it past the five-yard mark, and the QB is in the pocket, it's illegal contact
3) If you do it while the ball is in the air, it's defensive pass interference
And the rule itself is that unless some sort of foul (illegal contact, DPI, illegal hands to the face, etc.) is what pushes the receiver out of bounds, he absolutely cannot be the first to touch the ball.
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Really? Cutler hasn't played all that well, and the Bears are 5-1. Even if he plays no more games, you really think they'll go 3-7 or 4-6 the rest of the way? When two of those games are against Carolina and Tennessee?
In the second half they play Minnesota twice, Houston, San Fran, Detroit again, Green Bay, Arizona and Seattle. Even with Cutler there is probably 3 to 4 losses somewhere in the next 10 games. If he goes down at some point it will be more losses.
I'm with Eddo on the Bears' outlook. 3 or 4 losses the rest of the way leaves them at 12-4 or 11-5. If he went down for the season tomorrow they'd probably end up at 7-9 or 8-8, but if the O/U on games played by Cutler the rest of the year is zero, I'll take the over.
The Bears at least have a plausible back-up plan for Forte. They don't for Cutler.
At least Jason Campbell is a better option than Caleb Hanie/ Josh McCown.
I'd rather have Orton, Flynn, and probably Nick Foles. And maybe Tebow.
Also keep in mind McCoy is generally very, very pessimistic regarding the Bears. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it drives his predictions.
San Francisco is almost certainly a loss without Cutler, and likely a loss without him. That's one. Green Bay's a loss for sure with Cutler, since he always shits the bed against the Packers, and almost certainly a loss with Campbell (though probably less likely).
Playing Seattle at home is much different than playing them in Seattle. I'd put that a likely win no matter who the Bears' quarterback is, but it's definitely not a gimme.
Detroit in Detroit will certainly be a tough game.
Arizona could have totally imploded by the second-to-last week of the year, but the game's in Arizona, so again, not a gimme.
Houston I'll give you as a loss, though I can easily see the Bears shutting down their run game, and Schaub doesn't particularly scare me.
The most likely outcome with Minnesota is a split, though I don't really think they're that good. The beat the 49ers, which is impressive, but they lost to the Colts and struggle with the Jaguars, both of whom the Bears blew out despite not really playing all that well. With Cutler, I would be disappointed if the Bears didn't sweep the Vikings. Without him, I think a split is still the most likely outcome.
And like it or not, the Bears have been one of the four or five best teams in the league so far, regardless of the level of competition. Football Outsiders has their defense through week seven as the best since 2002, fifth-best since 1991, and that takes adjust for the opponents faced. Finishing 8-8 would be a huge collapse at this point.
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