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OT - 2018 NBA Thread (Pre-Season Edition)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom can be bothered to curate their own thread to avoid detracting from what this site is really about: Trying to get one of us hired as the GM of the Philadelphia 76ers

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 06, 2018 at 03:38 PM | 93 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 06, 2018 at 03:45 PM (#5721850)
WHO WILL THE LAKERS SIGN TODAY?!
   2. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: August 06, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5721854)
NOT GREG MONROE! He's a Raptor for the vet minimum.
   3. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 06, 2018 at 04:10 PM (#5721862)
   4. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: August 06, 2018 at 04:43 PM (#5721876)
Lauri says he's put on 14lbs this offseason. So probably about 8lbs of muscle and four of fat, the fat will be trimmed by training camp, or ideally, right at the start of the regular season. He wore down last year so hopefully he can maintain his weight throughout the season and his energy levels with it. Lebron has mastered the art of bulking up then slimming down in season, hopefully Lauri can do the same.

Of course I am also pretty sure Lebron has great milkshakes. Maybe Lauri can visit some of those labs in Russia while he's in Finland this summer.
   5. PJ Martinez Posted: August 06, 2018 at 05:32 PM (#5721891)
Westgate over/unders:
NBA seas wins

Atl 23.5
Bos 57.5
Brk 32.5
Cha 35.5
Chi 27.5
Cle 30.5
Dal 34.5
Den 47.5
Det 37.5
GS 62.5
Hou 54.5
Ind 47.5
LAC 35.5
LAL 48.5
Mem 34.5
Mia 41.5
Mil 46.5
Min 44.5
NO 45.5
NY 29.5
OKC 50.5
Orl 31.5
Phi 54.5
Phx 28.5
Prt 41.5
Sac 25.5
SA 43.5
Tor 54.5
Uth 48.5
Wsh 44.5
   6. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: August 06, 2018 at 05:41 PM (#5721895)
under:
CHA, CHI, DAL, DEN, LAL, OKC, ORL

over:
WAS, POR, DET, MIA, TOR, LAC
   7. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 06, 2018 at 05:45 PM (#5721899)
Atl 23.5


yikes

Chi 27.5


Maybe their long term plan is bad but they won 27 last year and they should be improved this season, right? Right? Plus the rest of the East should be even worse this year? They lost 4 times to the Cavs last year, for example.

Sorted by conference:
GS 62.5
Hou 54.5
OKC 50.5
LAL 48.5
Uth 48.5
Den 47.5
NO 45.5
Min 44.5
SA 43.5
Prt 41.5
LAC 35.5
Dal 34.5
Mem 34.5
Phx 28.5
Sac 25.5
(total West wins: 645.5)

Bos 57.5
Phi 54.5
Tor 54.5
Ind 47.5
Mil 46.5
Wsh 44.5
Mia 41.5
Det 37.5
Cha 35.5
Brk 32.5
Orl 31.5
Cle 30.5
NY 29.5
Chi 27.5
Atl 23.5
(total East wins: 594.5)
   8. JJ1986 Posted: August 06, 2018 at 05:51 PM (#5721904)
they should be improved this season
I think the Bulls got most of their wins when Mirotic was on the roster.
   9. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 06, 2018 at 05:54 PM (#5721908)
I guess judging a team by number of wins is kind of a waste of time in today's NBA anyway, since a quarter of the league now tries to lose every game in the last half of the season once they know they won't be in the playoffs.
   10. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 06, 2018 at 06:02 PM (#5721914)
Lauri says he's put on 14lbs this offseason. So probably about 8lbs of muscle and four of fat, the fat will be trimmed by training camp, or ideally, right at the start of the regular season.


And 2 lbs. of intangibles?
   11. Tin Angel Posted: August 06, 2018 at 06:06 PM (#5721915)
Over: NO, WSH

Under: SA, LAC, BOS
   12. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: August 06, 2018 at 07:13 PM (#5721946)
My first thought is that those lines are pretty good.

Forced to take three in each direction:
Under on CLE, IND, OKC
Over on MIN, ORL, DET
   13. aberg Posted: August 06, 2018 at 07:21 PM (#5721952)
Biggest disagreements between Pelton and Vegas lines:

Vegas line at least 4 wins higher- BOS, LAL, PHI, SA (He acknowledges that his system might over-punish their heavy roster turnover)
Pelton total at least 4 wins higher- BRK, MIN, UTA


   14. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 06, 2018 at 07:21 PM (#5721953)
OVER: NO, MIN, IND, DAL, DEN

UNDER: CLE, HOU, OKC, POR, MEM
   15. aberg Posted: August 06, 2018 at 07:58 PM (#5721964)
OVER: NO, MIN, IND, DAL, DEN


Can you walk more through your NO rationale? Is it just having a full season of Mirotic instead of Boogie? I can see that, but I can also see an alternate version where Payton is worse than Rondo and they lose some of their speed with both Randle and Mirotic.
   16. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 07, 2018 at 02:51 AM (#5722128)
Can you walk more through your NO rationale? Is it just having a full season of Mirotic instead of Boogie?
That's a lot of it. Not having Boogie forced NO to focus their offense — rightly — on AD fully, and the Pels really gelled after that. I think Payton will be fine, and I think their defense will actually improve with Randle. AD is the rim protector on that squad, and while Randle isn't, he's much more defensively mobile than most other bigs and can get out on shooters. I also expect HOU, POR, and OKC to all slide a bit, and that's another part of why I think the Pels move up.
   17. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: August 07, 2018 at 09:50 AM (#5722206)
colangelo: fired
colangelo: still on the sixers' payroll, (allegedly) slagging the sixers in private conversations across the league.
GM: still vacant
cap space: pissed away
fultz: broken shot
zhaire: broken foot
embiid: bit by a lion

sixers: having an offseason.
   18. TFTIO ought to Stick with Ostriches Posted: August 07, 2018 at 09:53 AM (#5722212)
embiid: bit by a lion

???

ETA: This is totally awesome.
   19. jmurph Posted: August 07, 2018 at 10:38 AM (#5722252)
OKC 50.5
LAL 48.5
Uth 48.5
Den 47.5
NO 45.5
Min 44.5
SA 43.5
Prt 41.5

I don't feel super strongly about any of the O/Us (except Detroit over), but I think at least one of this group of Western teams is going to win 50 games and I don't think it will be OKC. Utah, maybe?
   20. puck Posted: August 07, 2018 at 10:42 AM (#5722257)
Tokyo 2020: this seems like an old team. Granted, the author limited his list to players in the current player pool, but won't they try to work in some younger guys? Who would be candidates?
   21. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: August 07, 2018 at 11:25 AM (#5722300)
Tokyo 2020: this seems like an old team. Granted, the author limited his list to players in the current player pool, but won't they try to work in some younger guys? Who would be candidates?
these players are currently between 23 and 27 years old:
G: lillard, kyrie, kemba, wall, jrue, mccollum, rozier
W: kawhi, oladipo, george, beal, porter, middleton, t.harris, g.harris, klay, anderson, barnes, richardson, KCP, covington, MKG, crabbe
B: AD, drummond, favors, bell, olynyk, cauley-stein, draymond, nerlens


that should fill at least 7 of 12 roster spots. the rest of the team should be all-world 30+ year olds (lebron, durant, curry, harden, westbrook) and a younger star or two, who also fills a specific role (KAT, tatum, fultz, ball, collins, jackson, booker, bagley, porter)


   22. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 07, 2018 at 11:31 AM (#5722312)
I would go under on Sacramento, not because they're bad (though they are), but that they are far and away the worst team in the West. I'd take the under on Dallas as well.
   23. jmurph Posted: August 07, 2018 at 11:41 AM (#5722321)
(KAT, tatum, fultz, ball, collins, jackson, booker, bagley, porter)

Towns is ineligible for the US- he's committed to the DR.
   24. Rally Posted: August 07, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5722328)
embiid: bit by a lion


Good thing it was a baby lion. Otherwise, totally fitting. Some players just seem to have injury lists to rival the collective one of Spinal Tap drummers.
   25. JJ1986 Posted: August 07, 2018 at 12:00 PM (#5722343)
Allen Crabbe is between 23 and 27, but he also is not even an average NBA starter. I guess he's better than Noel.

Also, Kelly Olynyk is Canadian.
   26. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 07, 2018 at 12:03 PM (#5722346)
Nerlens Noel could play for the Haitian team, but it occurs to me that I've never heard of a Haitian basketball team. Looks like it is a mess.

Jrue Holiday is 28 years old. I thought he was older than that, actually.
   27. JC in DC Posted: August 07, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5722359)
Haven't been following the sixers: Smith's foot is broken? And I thought Fultz's shot was fixed?
   28. aberg Posted: August 07, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5722370)
I feel like getting bit by a lion might be just the thing that Embiid needs. Was it a radioactive lion? Did he absorb its powers?
   29. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: August 07, 2018 at 01:47 PM (#5722424)
minnesota signed 3'n'd wing james nunnally to a 2 year deal. was good last year but i don't believe in him...
   30. jmurph Posted: August 07, 2018 at 01:57 PM (#5722435)
SA 43.5

What's the case for the Spurs being worse- just the rest of the conference getting better?
   31. aberg Posted: August 07, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5722458)
What's the case for the Spurs being worse- just the rest of the conference getting better?


Lose Anderson, Green, Parker. Still don't know about Manu. Derozan may or may not help them. Best player is 33 and coming off of what might be a career year.

Still, they had 49 Pythag wins and that's a lot to give back.
   32. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: August 07, 2018 at 02:38 PM (#5722472)
kyle anderson's defensive metrics were so good that you can find measures that have him > demar
they're old and getting older
even bad danny green is still a roughly average player
poertl is solid but doesn't help spacing
marco and dante are sub replacement level

   33. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: August 07, 2018 at 02:38 PM (#5722473)
Haven't been following the sixers: Smith's foot is broken? And I thought Fultz's shot was fixed?
smith: jones fracture. out 8-10 weeks
fultz: facts not in evidence.
   34. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 07, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5722489)
I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA,


I followed the NBA and ABA for many years, fell out sometime toward the end of Bird and Magic, with a little rensissance around Duncan, Shaq, and the last good Pistons team. It seems like most of the time I've commented here it's been prompted by a death - and it seems like basketball players either live forever or their deaths aren't covered very prominently. Cousy's still around, so the former cannot be dismissed out of hand.

I'm also wondering if it's just numbers: in 1967-68, there were about 144 players in the NBA, compared to about 500 in MLB. Fewer players, fewer deaths.
   35. PJ Martinez Posted: August 07, 2018 at 08:57 PM (#5722769)
"A vintage dose of Celtics/Sixers, Giannis and the Bucks at MSG against the Knicks and (you guessed it) LeBron's Lakers in Oakland to face the Warriors are the highlights of the NBA's Christmas Day schedule that will be announced Wednesday afternoon, league sources tell @NYTSports"

"Portland Trail Blazers will face the Utah Jazz on the road in one of the five Christmas Day games, league sources tell ESPN."

So ... Thunder/Rockets is the other game, I'm assuming?
   36. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 08, 2018 at 08:32 AM (#5722935)
I'm also wondering if it's just numbers: in 1967-68, there were about 144 players in the NBA, compared to about 500 in MLB. Fewer players, fewer deaths.


So if there were only 30 new players per year (SWAG), then they would die off at about that rate now. Most were no-names, so at best you only see the best out of that lot mentioned in the media.
   37. jmurph Posted: August 08, 2018 at 10:30 AM (#5723033)
So ... Thunder/Rockets is the other game, I'm assuming?

You are correct:

Bucks-Knicks, Noon eastern, ESPN
Thunder-Rockets, 3pm, ABC
Sixers-Celtics, 530pm ABC
Lakers-Warriors, 8pm, ESPN
Blazers-Jazz, 1030, ESPN

4-time defending Eastern Conference champion Cavs getting screwed!
   38. The Good Face Posted: August 08, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5723061)
smith: jones fracture. out 8-10 weeks


He fits the Sixers system of rookie injuries far better than Mikal Bridges would have.
   39. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: August 08, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5723104)
I've warmed up to James Nunnally (min salary Wolves signee) a bit. He can really shoot from distance (hit over half his threes over the last two Euroleague campaigns) and is a high 80s guy from the line + is a solid passer for a three (not a playmaker but he moves the ball along nicely). Not a great rebounder and, my biggest worry, the usage rate is really low. He can't create his shot and he really isn't much of a threat except as a spot up release valve. Defensively, he's billed as a 3/2 but might be more of a 3/4. Doesn't fight through screens like I'd like - but should be a decent defender, especially if that is how he earns minutes.

I think I like him more than Dallas' similarly sized 28 year old exiled-in-Europe addition, Ryan Broekhoff - who is a better rebounder and has more weapons as a scorer but is worse defensively.
   40. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 08, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5723120)
Hah, still no Raptors on Christmas! Whadda they gotta do, Adam? I think Rockets-Warriors was the way to go since I'm kind of sick of Warriors v LeBron on Christmas.

Jahlil Okafor signs with the Pelicans.
   41. aberg Posted: August 08, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5723151)
He can't create his shot and he really isn't much of a threat except as a spot up release valve


That's fine with the Wolves. Even the second unit has plenty of shot creation in it. One of Wiggins or Butler is almost always on the court.

Doesn't fight through screens like I'd like - but should be a decent defender, especially if that is how he earns minutes.


You're exactly right that his defense will have to earn minutes. Backup 3 is wide open for the Wolves. Rose will probably get minutes on the wing with Tyus Jones. The rest of the bench wing minutes can get divided up between CJ Williams, Nunnally, Bates-Diop, Okogie, and possibly Terrell (2way contract). Thibs will probably default to whoever plays the smartest defense.
   42. jmurph Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:10 PM (#5723268)
Just got an email from Gregg Popovich, as one typically gets on a Wednesday, raising money for the Innocence Project:

I’m happy to share that the National Basketball Coaches Association (NBCA) partnership with the Innocence Project and the larger Innocence Network of organizations around the world, will expand to include NBA Voices. NBA Voices is the NBA’s initiative to promote inclusion, uplift voices and bridge divides in our communities.

Our partnership will build greater understanding about issues related to wrongful conviction: innocent people forced to plead guilty, racial inequality, prosecutorial accountability, compensation for exonerated people and more.

We know NBA fans care about justice in their communities, and we’re grateful that NBA Voices and NBCA can bring our fans together with Innocence Project and Innocence Network supporters to work for change.
   43. BDC Posted: August 09, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5723930)
Possibly of interest to this group: Douglas Stark's recent book When Basketball Was Jewish.
   44. maccoach57 Posted: August 09, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5724253)
I think Popovich and Kerr would both make good elected officials if they wanted to do it--which I seriously doubt either of them would.
   45. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 09, 2018 at 03:35 PM (#5724262)
I think Popovich and Kerr would both make good elected officials if they wanted to do it--which I seriously doubt either of them would.

I'd agree. They both have perspective on things from outside basketball and both seem to have an natural empathy for the "other" and they can obviously communicate. On the other hand, the bar for public service has been so lowered I think JR Smith might be just fine, too.
   46. Harlond Posted: August 09, 2018 at 05:56 PM (#5724358)
I think Popovich and Kerr would both make good elected officials if they wanted to do it--which I seriously doubt either of them would.
I could easily vote for them for city council, maybe even mayor of a small city. You gotta start somewhere. But recent experience convinces me that political experience is an essential qualification for higher office. Basically I wouldn't want Obama running my NBA team and I wouldn't want the coach (or owner, looking at you Mark Cuban) of my NBA team running my government.
   47. PJ Martinez Posted: August 10, 2018 at 09:27 PM (#5724983)
The national television standings from the full NBA sked (ABC/ESPN, TNT, NBA TV)...

1: Lakers (43)
2. Golden State (40)
t3. Boston, Houston, Philly (39)
4. OKC (36)

No other teams are in the 30s (sidenote: San Antonio has 25)
   48. jmurph Posted: August 13, 2018 at 09:49 AM (#5725601)
The national television standings from the full NBA sked (ABC/ESPN, TNT, NBA TV)...

Here it is for all 30 teams, including the +/- change from last year.
   49. puck Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:18 AM (#5725616)

Here it is for all 30 teams, including the +/- change from last year.


He has the Lakers with 32, Warriors with 29, Rockets 28, Sixers/Celtics/Thunder 27.

He doesn't include NBA TV.

Cleveland goes from 27 to 2.

Edit: correction, there are column headers...I had to click on the image
   50. jmurph Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:20 AM (#5725618)
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   51. TFTIO ought to Stick with Ostriches Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:30 AM (#5725622)
NEVER MIND.
   52. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5725702)
Utah, Toronto, Philly, Denver, Milwaukee, Pacers and the Pelicans are all way up vs last year. I really like it, I think they got it right. I could be wrong, but the sense I get is they aren't catering to markets. Maybe they weren't really doing that before, but it feels like they're just getting a lot of the exciting young players on good but not great teams way more action in the national games, which is absolutely something I am happy about.
   53. Fourth True Outcome Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:01 PM (#5725713)
I also like that every team gets at least one national game. Atlanta, Brooklyn, and Orlando had none last year, but there are no teams fully left behind this year. It seems worthwhile to make sure a fan of any team gets at least one chance to see them on national tv in a season.
   54. TFTIO ought to Stick with Ostriches Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:11 PM (#5725727)
I accept that LeBron means many more Lakers games, which is a drag, but it also means many fewer Cleveland games, which is fine by me.
   55. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: August 13, 2018 at 03:32 PM (#5725887)
   56. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 13, 2018 at 05:10 PM (#5725938)
oh, ffs embiid


Their GM should have a talk with him.
   57. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: August 14, 2018 at 09:12 AM (#5726236)
bucks re-signed shabazz muhammad, but i think it's only to a training camp deal. heat also signed a former team member, briante weber, to a tranning camp deal - his is an exhibit 10 (thus, he'll likely go to the g league should he not make the club).
   58. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: August 14, 2018 at 09:36 AM (#5726245)
Shams to the Athletic
   59. jmurph Posted: August 14, 2018 at 10:16 AM (#5726276)
Shams to the Athletic

Who broke the story?
   60. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 14, 2018 at 10:20 AM (#5726280)
I think it's been out for a while, but shams posted it first today.
   61. jmurph Posted: August 14, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5726289)
   62. maccoach57 Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5726426)
Looking at the 538 projections, I notice that they have SA at 40-42 and Pelton had them at 38-44.
   63. aberg Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5726486)
Looking at the 538 projections, I notice that they have SA at 40-42 and Pelton had them at 38-44.


Probably has a lot to do with the opinion that most advanced stat systems have of Derozan.
   64. yo la tengo Posted: August 14, 2018 at 03:51 PM (#5726702)
I cannot imagine that SA will be a sub .500 team. From last year the primary changes are subtracting Green and adding Derozan and Poetl. A plus, right?
   65. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: August 14, 2018 at 03:59 PM (#5726713)
We covered this already last thread but: Also lost Anderson (some metrics love! him), some metrics still like Green, added some sub-replacement people, Derozan's D has been _terrible_, and an old team got older. (Also, maybe regression from Lamarcus?)
   66. aberg Posted: August 14, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5726732)
Also, maybe regression from Lamarcus?


Last year was by far his most productive season and it came in his 30s. How much of that is usage vs. having a career year is a fair question, but even with great coaches, not many guys peak at that point in their career.
   67. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 14, 2018 at 05:49 PM (#5726813)
So if the Spurs start off hotter than last year, will we get articles talking about their improved chemistry?

---

Kurt Helin @basketballtalk

Dwight Howard’s trainer: ‘He wants to evolve into Anthony Davis, into Kevin Durant, but his own version of that’
   68. jmurph Posted: August 14, 2018 at 06:18 PM (#5726842)
Like a much worse, more annoying version? I could see it.
   69. TFTIO ought to Stick with Ostriches Posted: August 14, 2018 at 06:22 PM (#5726847)
And I’d like to evolve into something that doesn’t have two busted knees, but I’m not holding my breath.
   70. Fourth True Outcome Posted: August 14, 2018 at 07:26 PM (#5726880)
If, as is always my assumption, Dwight Howard is talking mostly about candy, I am willing to believe it is within his grasp to become a combination of Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant. If he's talking basketball, well, ahahahahaha.
   71. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: August 15, 2018 at 08:52 AM (#5727037)
Christian Wood signed with the Bucks - I guess he and Shabazz are competing for a spot maybe?

I still believe that he can stick in the league and - in the unlikely event he ever gets his three ball working and takes a leap forward as a defender - could turn into a good rotation guy.
   72. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:17 AM (#5727055)
Dwight Howard’s trainer: ‘He wants to evolve into Anthony Davis, into Kevin Durant, but his own version of that’

Mission accomplished, then. Dwight is definitely his own version of those guys.
   73. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5727070)
I still believe that he can stick in the league and - in the unlikely event he ever gets his three ball working and takes a leap forward as a defender - could turn into a good rotation guy.


Sounds like a Milwaukee Buck, all right.
   74. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:45 AM (#5727073)
it does.
anyway, he was first team all g-league and first team all summer league - which tells you that he can put up numbers in volume. weird that he didn't get a call up last year but he doesn't have much tactical use yet, it's just the promise of a 22 year old who has tools and some skills.
   75. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: August 15, 2018 at 03:25 PM (#5727350)
Christian Wood signed with the Bucks

Zeller is unguaranteed so he's in the mix with Shabazz and Wood fighting for one spot (they have 14 guaranteed contracts already). I'm surprised Wood couldn't get a guaranteed contract after his summer league, he looked really good.
   76. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: August 15, 2018 at 04:16 PM (#5727400)
he's kind of a aaaa guy, right?
still, tat ought to be enough for some club's end of the bench big spot.
   77. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: August 15, 2018 at 05:43 PM (#5727470)
yeah, I guess I'm more surprised that a team with lesser center depth than the Bucks didn't want to give him a training camp shot. The Bucks already have 4 guys that can only play center, and even if Wood can play the 4 they don't have any minutes available there either.
   78. Moeball Posted: August 15, 2018 at 08:22 PM (#5727531)
Off the wall question here - any Bulls fans who can give me tips about going to a game? I don't get out of San Diego very often but I find myself in Chicago on an upcoming business trip Sat Nov 3 and I see on the schedule it looks like the Bulls are hosting Houston on that date. I thought that might be a good game to go to. Any helpful hints on best place to get tickets, best seats to watch game w/o paying a fortune, good restaurants nearby, etc.?
   79. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:06 PM (#5727562)
ffs embiid


That whiffed bicycle kick was awesome.
   80. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:18 PM (#5727623)
Moeball, Bulls games are pretty pricy for how terrible the team is but I generally have the best luck with seatgeek.com. You might be able to find something reasonable if you keep on eye on it, even against the Rockets.

There's a few sports bars with food right next to the stadium but I haven't really liked any of the ones I've gone to. A few blocks east of the arena is Randolph Street, one of the hottest restaurant areas in the city. There's also a really good brewery north a few blocks, Great Central, and Goose Island has a taproom up there as well. In my experience, there's plenty of good stuff a 10-15 minute walk from the UC but nothing great right in the immediate area. I don't go to many Bulls games though so someone who does might have more nearby recommendations.
   81. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:52 PM (#5727633)
Off the wall question here - any Bulls fans who can give me tips about going to a game? I don't get out of San Diego very often but I find myself in Chicago on an upcoming business trip Sat Nov 3 and I see on the schedule it looks like the Bulls are hosting Houston on that date. I thought that might be a good game to go to. Any helpful hints on best place to get tickets, best seats to watch game w/o paying a fortune, good restaurants nearby, etc.?


I drove to the games I went to, but I do think there's a train stop nearby. Never ate near the United Center, and I'd suggest eating before going (especially if your work is paying, I'd try for Girl and the Goat). Seatgeek is great for single game tickets, and I felt like I had a great view even in the upper section there.
   82. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 16, 2018 at 12:35 AM (#5727643)
The United Center actually doesn't have its own train station so it's a little confusing. People get off at the "Illinois Medical District" station on the blue line and walk 4 blocks north. Or take the 20 Madison bus that goes east-west back and forth on Madison St and does stop right at the United Center. And on game days there are dedicated buses from the other major train stations.
   83. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 16, 2018 at 09:17 AM (#5727708)
I gotta say, as Warriors fan I'm pretty happy they've stocked the teams with players not raised as well as CJ McCollum was.
   84. jmurph Posted: August 16, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5727732)
I gotta say, as Warriors fan I'm pretty happy they've stocked the teams with players not raised as well as CJ McCollum was.

These guys also just need to take a minute to think out a few years: when McCollum becomes a free agent one day, I'm pretty sure he's not signing with the Magic or Hornets.
   85. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 16, 2018 at 11:31 AM (#5727854)
The United Center actually doesn't have its own train station so it's a little confusing. People get off at the "Illinois Medical District" station on the blue line and walk 4 blocks north. Or take the 20 Madison bus that goes east-west back and forth on Madison St and does stop right at the United Center. And on game days there are dedicated buses from the other major train stations.

Or the Green line stop at Ashland (3 blocks east of the stadium), I think that's a little closer than the Blue line stop.

I'll echo what Tom said, you'll want to eat before heading to the UC, unless you want to eat there. The UC does have pretty good food as far as stadium food goes.

I hate sitting behind the baskets, and am totally fine with the upper deck (300) seats as long as their closer to center court. Most of the 200 level seats are pretty good, but again, you'll pay quite a bit for them. Because the Bulls do so well with attendance, they can keep those prices high and don't have to try that hard to be good.
   86. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 16, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5727914)
I'm a jerk but this article cracked me up.

A couple of my favorite snippets:

"The fans see his spirit," Zhang said. "Last year's trip to China made me see perhaps the most humble NBA star, and it was the fans' love for him that moved him to tears."


However, while it was his on-court success that initially drew Chinese fans to Rose, it was the emotional connection the three-time All-Star made on his annual visits that kept the fans coming back. Rose's continued perseverance through multiple injuries and setbacks appealed to a fanbase that hoped to emulate his relentless pursuit of success.


"Over there, even more so than here, people never forget those moments," Jackiewicz said. "Him hitting big shots, the many moments of his MVP season, him talking about his mom and crying at his press conference, that is all stuff that will continue to be a part of basketball history there and a really important chapter of NBA history."


Yes, what NBA fan will ever forget the Derek Rose Era of the NBA, when a humble, hardworking basketball player from the podunk town of Chicago who loves his mother relentlessly chased his basketball dreams...
   87. jmurph Posted: August 16, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5727920)
Maybe the court transcripts didn't translate particularly well.
   88. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: August 16, 2018 at 12:23 PM (#5727937)
Maybe the court transcripts didn't translate particularly well.

Too bad Sky Fucker is Steph's nickname...
   89. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: August 16, 2018 at 06:08 PM (#5728314)
expected win distributions for every team based on a bunch of simulations of some broturkey's model

Not sure the details of the model underlying this, or how the simulations were run (I found it via this tweet), so there's a nontrivial chance I'm just ogling statistical noise, but I found it interesting to see which teams' distributions were flatter compared to their expected peers.
   90. . . . . . . Posted: August 16, 2018 at 06:47 PM (#5728332)
The Zion Williamson highlight reel is swoon-worthy. If he controls his weight, mamma mia.
   91. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: August 16, 2018 at 06:58 PM (#5728339)
ffs sixers:
So, possible scenarios here: I think best-case for everyone involved is that maybe his sister or his cousin, or maybe a girlfriend or wife needed a ride across town and they didn’t want to pay for an Uber or taxi. That’s probably best-case scenario. And then from there you can go darker. This is not funny, but child abduction, human trafficking. Like, Chelsea’s dead serious texting me today and she’s like, “I’m calling the FBI tip line and I’m opening a claim. This is serious.” I don’t know what to make of it. It definitely was not a dog. I will say that. It was a human being in the back seat of his car, under a blanket in some sort of box or cage. That’s my story.

Uhhhhh. “This was less than 24 hours ago,” Redick said afterward.

That’s New York for you,” Bamba said. Mo, what have you been up to in New York, man
   92. this is normal 57i66135. move on, find a new slant Posted: August 16, 2018 at 07:00 PM (#5728341)
updating [17]:
colangelo: fired
colangelo: still on the sixers' payroll, (allegedly) slagging the sixers in private conversations across the league.
GM: still vacant
cap space: pissed away
fultz: broken shot
zhaire: broken foot
embiid: bit by a lion
redick: associating with slave traffickers


sixers: having an offseason.
   93. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: August 17, 2018 at 12:44 AM (#5728651)
redick: associating with slave traffickers


You could have just written "Went to Duke."

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