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Friday, July 27, 2012

OT: London Olympics Thread

A place to discuss sports that no one cares about for 3.9 years at a time.  Swimming, track, basketball, gymnastics, soccer, whatever.  I like ‘em obscure.

Team Handball: Can France (m) defend their gold?  Can South Korea (w) break the Northern European dominance of the sport?
Fencing: Can the US Women sweep the saber medals again?  How much fencing can I watch online before I realize I’m wasting my life?
Canoe Slalom: Can David Florence bring back gold for Great Britain in this, the greatest and most traditional of all summer olympic competitions?

And more!

Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM | 1691 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4193654)
I've also been enjoying the endearingly stupid "Olympics Jerk Watch" that Justin Peters is doing at Slate.

In particular, I can't wait to root against French super-jerk Mahiedine Mekhissi-Benabbad. Those poor mascots! What a dick!
   2. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM (#4193666)
I prefer the Winter Olympics, but I like the Summer games well enough. I like swimming best. Not a big fan of the other big 2, track and gymnastics. As for the obscure sports, badminton, weightlifting, and that weird cycling thing where they go as slow as they can until the last lap sprint.
   3. Joey B. Posted: July 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM (#4193667)
Ahhh, the Olympics: that golden opportunity for America-loathing judges and referees around the world to screw over the evil United States at every opportunity they can get, since 1972.
   4. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: July 27, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4193677)
Ahhh, the Olympics: that golden opportunity for America-loathing judges and referees around the world to screw over the evil United States at every opportunity they can get, since 1972.

Like Paul Hamm?
   5. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4193678)
that weird cycling thing where they go as slow as they can until the last lap sprint.


My reaction to that is always "this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen" then I sit there and watch until the end.

I really want to enjoy handball more than I do, it seems like I should like the sport but I can't get into it. Volleyball (the team version) I love though.
   6. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 27, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4193685)
If you want sports that look entirely stupid, I don't think you can do better than racewalking. God, if they have a close race down the stretch, it's just the best thing in the world.
   7. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: July 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4193692)
I don't understand racewalking at all. I know we've had a thread about it here before and the sport had its defenders, but it just makes no sense to me at an essential sporting level. I try to see the other POV as, obviously, it has its adherents, but I just can't take it seriously at all. I mean, ####, just start running already. RUN GODDAMMIT, RUN!
   8. Rants Mulliniks Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4193697)
I have a feeling this is going to be one of the biggest cluster ##### of all time.

Shooty - race walking is the equivalent to harness racing. Why don't they just let the horses gallop?
   9. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4193698)
I don't understand racewalking at all. I know we've had a thread about it here before and the sport had its defenders, but it just makes no sense to me at an essential sporting level. I try to see the other POV as, obviously, it has its adherents, but I just can't take it seriously at all. I mean, ####, just start running already. RUN GODDAMMIT, RUN!


Well, I suppose it could be analogous to swimming strokes other than freestyle.

edit: Same point as Rants, but different analogy, so NO COKE FOR YOU!
   10. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:03 PM (#4193699)
I guess the analogy would be the backstroke or the breaststroke in swimming - it's not the fastest way to get from point a to point b, but it is a full olympic competition anyway.

I think the problem is that racewalking isn't a peculiar kind of movement (like if you had to walk on your hands, or if you had to skip, taking two steps on one leg for every single step on the other), but rather just a restricted form of running where you look like you really want to run but you don't for some reason.

EDIT: cokes above.
   11. frannyzoo Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4193706)
Until Sepak Takraw becomes an Olympic sport, there is no justice. Maybe the best thing about wiziwig, front row, etc. is the chance to see obscure sports in non-Olympic settings. I've watched me plenty of mean badminton and sepak takraw that way.
   12. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4193711)
Shooty - race walking is the equivalent to harness racing. Why don't they just let the horses gallop?

I've always assumed harness racing evolved from when people had carthorses. People just seem to like to race.

Well, I suppose it could be analogous to swimming strokes other than freestyle.

This is a good point. I will think about why this seems less ridiculous to me than race walking, although the competitive breast stroke, I have to admit, makes me chuckle. Up down up down up down plus the goggles and that wide-mouthed sucking in of air. It definitely has a surreal quality to it.
   13. rfloh Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:15 PM (#4193723)
" frannyzoo Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4193706)
Until Sepak Takraw becomes an Olympic sport, there is no justice. Maybe the best thing about wiziwig, front row, etc. is the chance to see obscure sports in non-Olympic settings. I've watched me plenty of mean badminton and sepak takraw that way.
"

If you want to watch actually good sepak takraw, watch either the South East Asian games, or the Asian games, that's where the best are, Thailand vs Malaysia (to lesser extents, Indonesia, Singapore, Brunei, too). Their skill level is pretty unbelievable. Think soccer style overhead / bicycle kicks, used as a volleyball style smash, with the net height at about that of a badminton net, ie about shoulder height. Thailand and Malaysia also disagree on whom invented it, both claim it. That article, not surprisingly, is written more from a Malaysian viewpoint.
   14. Joey B. Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:15 PM (#4193724)
Like Paul Hamm?

I have absolutely no idea who that is. The last Olympic event I ever saw was when Roy Jones absolutely beat the living hell out of that Korean kid in '88 and got robbed by the hometown judges. Haven't watched a second since.
   15. Swedish Chef Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:18 PM (#4193727)
This is a good point. I will think about why this seems less ridiculous to me than race walking, although the competitive breast stroke, I have to admit, makes me chuckle. Up down up down up down plus the goggles and that wide-mouthed sucking in of air. It definitely has a surreal quality to it.

Still beats Butterfly.
   16. rfloh Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:19 PM (#4193729)
" Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader<="" a=""> Posted: July 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4193692)
I don't understand racewalking at all. I know we've had a thread about it here before and the sport had its defenders, but it just makes no sense to me at an essential sporting level. I try to see the other POV as, obviously, it has its adherents, but I just can't take it seriously at all. I mean, ####, just start running already. RUN GODDAMMIT, RUN!
"

Why not? The point is the testing of different athletic skills / abilities. Whether it is racewalking compared to running, the different swimming strokes, throwing different implements (shot, javelin, hammer), the 2 weightlifting techniques (and in the past 3) etc.
   17. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:19 PM (#4193730)
Like Paul Hamm?

I have absolutely no idea who that is.


If only there were some way to find out who that is. Alas, there is none.
   18. Swedish Chef Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4193731)
The last Olympic event I ever saw was when Roy Jones absolutely beat the living hell out of that Korean kid in '88 and got robbed by the hometown judges. Haven't watched a second since.

Then you missed that Americans got their revenge with Apolo Ohno, probably the most hated man in South Korea.
   19. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4193732)
i know its standard olympic issue to mock the equestrian events but a few things to keep in mind

--equestrian events are celebrating a 100 years with the olympics since they got going at the 1912 games

--the fastest tickets for olympic events to be sold out are swimming and equestrian events. go figure

--equestrian is much more than dressage. i think if folks looked at eventing they would be pretty interested

--personally, i have long advocated shooting and equestrian have a combined event. because i can tell you from firsthand experience hitting anything while riding at a gallop is ####### hard.

and yes, the wallbanger household will be watching all of the equestrian events
   20. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:21 PM (#4193734)
Rrack us my favorite sport to watch. Then again i was a runner so its not surprising
   21. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4193737)
i also enjoy the rowing events. and all forms of wrestling. not thrilled with how greco roman has evolved to standing around and penalty points but still an avid watcher. decathlon.
   22. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4193740)
Then you missed that Americans got their revenge with Apolo Ohno, probably the most hated man in South Korea.


And Paul Hamm doubled up on the revenge in '04. The Koreans are probably owed one.

I have a feeling this is going to be one of the biggest cluster ##### of all time.

Me too.
   23. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:25 PM (#4193741)
Ah, so "America-loathing judges and referees around the world" means "Korean-loving boxing judges" and "at every opportunity they can get, since 1972" means "on one day in 1988".
   24. Jim Wisinski Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:26 PM (#4193743)
I like the Olympics a lot but also prefer the Winter to the Summer. Sports I like watching:

Archery
Beach Volleyball
Fencing
Gymnastics
Swimming
Table Tennis maybe
Tennis maybe (In theory I like watching tennis but whenever the big events are on throughout the year I never seem to end up watching them at all)
Some Track & Field stuff
Volleyball
Weightlifting (Not sure why....it's oddly fascinating)

Making that list made me realize just how big the gap is in my interest between Summer and Winter. There are a handful of Winter events that I am significantly more interested in than any Summer one.
   25. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:26 PM (#4193744)
I have absolutely no idea who that is. The last Olympic event I ever saw was when Roy Jones absolutely beat the living hell out of that Korean kid in '88 and got robbed by the hometown judges. Haven't watched a second since.


Sure, because steps were never taken tp prevent this in the future.

An official IOC investigation concluding in 1997 found that three of the judges were wined and dined by South Korean officials. This led to calls for Jones to be awarded a gold medal, but the IOC still officially stands by the decision, despite the allegations. Jones was awarded the Val Barker trophy, as the best stylistic boxer of the 1988 games, which was only the third and to this day the last time in the competition's history when the award did not go to one of the gold medal winners. The incident led Olympic organizers to establish a new scoring system for Olympic boxing.


Might as well say "I haven't watched baseball since <insert bad umpiring call of your choice>"

And truth be told, I'm not a big fan of judged sports anyway: figure skating, gymnastics, diving, boxing... they all seem rigged in one way or another. The good news is, they make up a small portion of the overall competition. but whatever floats you boat. I suspect your disdain has more to do with the IOC being dominated by dirty, liberal Europeans than with a couple of corrupt judges 24 years ago.
   26. Swedish Chef Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4193749)
I suspect your disdain has more to do with the IOC being dominated by dirty, liberal Europeans than with a couple of corrupt judges 24 years ago.

Europeans? What kind of slander is this?
   27. I am going to be Frank Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4193753)
I love how NBC can still get away with showing sporting events on time delays. Granted there is no competition going on during the Opening Ceremonies. At least now there are multiple and multiple channels devoted to coverage.

Race walking seems just seems so unnatural. The non-freestyle strokes while slower, look like natural movements.

Men's volleyball is no fun because its usually tall guys who were a little two awkward to play basketball and you rarely get any rallies. Water polo is fun to watch because while all you see above water are heads, arms and the ball, you know underwater its just crazy violence.
   28. aleskel Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4193754)
Well, I suppose it could be analogous to swimming strokes other than freestyle.

This is a good point. I will think about why this seems less ridiculous to me than race walking, although the competitive breast stroke, I have to admit, makes me chuckle.


It's because walking and running are both totally natural, innate activities for human beings. Swimming is not - the different strokes were "invented," or at least developed over a long period of time. Even freestyle, at least the crawl we know of today, is probably less than 150 years old - in some quarters it's still called the Australian crawl, which gives you an idea of when it could have been developed.
   29. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4193756)
I suspect your disdain has more to do with the IOC being dominated by dirty, liberal Europeans than with a couple of corrupt judges 24 years ago.

One clue might be that he thinks South Koreans giving an unfair advantage to a South Korean are doing so because of their hatred of that longtime enemy of South Korea the United States.
   30. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4193757)
The summer games don't have an event comparable to curling in weirdness/watchability but they make up for it in quantity: weightlifting, badminton, fencing, pole vault, modern pentathlon... I celebrate the whole catalogue.
   31. Rants Mulliniks Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4193760)
About the only Olympic sports I don't enjoy watching are dressage (I do like jumping) and the sailng events. Love track & field, love gymnastics (you have to be impressed by men's rings - amazing strength). I usually watch a lot of rowing because Canada always does well.
   32. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4193762)
I like the fencing. When else am I ever going to watch fencing? All the men should be required to have raffish mustaches, though, and speak with French accents.
   33. asinwreck Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4193766)
My great hope is that Danny Boyle makes the opening ceremonies a long homage to Trainspotting, complete with toilet, baby hallucination, and Robert Carlyle inflicting mayhem on all around him.
   34. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4193767)
Boxing, wrestling, equestrian, I don't understand what's going on. Fencing, I don't think ANYONE can understand what's going on. Rowing, kayaking, sailing, I don't understand the difference between the boat types. Gymnastics are good because you can always root for someone to make a mistake or to recover from a mistake. I guess my favorites are things like discus, shot put, javelin, high jump. And the team sports - even though I don't understand the formations or the positions, I know what a handball team is trying to do.
   35. aleskel Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4193768)
My great hope is that Danny Boyle makes the opening ceremonies a long homage to Trainspotting, complete with toilet, baby hallucination, and Robert Carlyle inflicting mayhem on all around him.

From the previews I've read, Boyle's intent was to cram as much English stuff into the ceremony as possible. So expect to see Doctor Who fight orcs in schoolboy uniforms in front of Stonehenge.
   36. I am going to be Frank Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4193770)
Why can't it just be a Benny Hill skit?
   37. Rants Mulliniks Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4193771)
Bruce Dickinson is an avid fencer.
   38. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4193772)
The summer games don't have an event comparable to curling in weirdness/watchability but they make up for it in quantity: weightlifting, badminton, fencing, pole vault, modern pentathlon... I celebrate the whole catalogue.


Hey, the modern pentathlon is at least as weird as curling. On the other hand I don't remember EVER seeing it on TV so watchability must be low.

I love biathlon in the winter olympics. ModPent sounds like it should have similar appeal.
   39. Moeball Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4193778)
Dave Wottle. Just sayin'.
   40. I am going to be Frank Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:49 PM (#4193779)
Gymnastics is fun to watch even though the judging thing. Its amazing what the human body can do. I'm conflicted on women's gymnastics because adolescence is a competitive disadvantage.
   41. smileyy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4193785)
A little late to the conversation, but I'm amused by the sports that make no sense too -- with the different strokes in swimming as pointed out by [9] and [10]. I was at the Kentucky Horse Park last week and learned way too much about different breeds of horses. So for [12], top -end trotters are bred for harness racing and aren't bred to gallop. Clearly they can, but I'm sure the horses aren't bred for it would break down sooner.

But [12] makes a good point that sports don't exist in a vacuum -- they exist because of our human history. Dressage and other equestrian sports seem kind of silly to me in this day and age, but at some points in history (and even today in some ways), that kind of human/horse control was really important to staying alive in certain situations. Usually situations where you're trying to kill *other* people, but still.

Edit: [19] There are people more familiar with dressage than eventing? I thought everyone only knew about the jumping parts. Or do I have my terminology wrong? My first love rode dressage so I was left equal parts horrified and fascinated by it.

Edit2: [24] My interest in the Winter Olympics waned a bit as more and more events that Americans were good at were added. I get it, kinda, that these are emerging popular sports and should be in the Olympics...but still.
   42. booond Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4193789)
the fastest tickets for olympic events to be sold out are swimming and equestrian events. go figure


Limited tickets are probably the answer.

The track and field events are in a giant stadium for 9 days... takes a while to sell them.
   43. Gamingboy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 01:59 PM (#4193793)
I personally would like it if the Olympics were more flexible as far as sports. Like, have 15 to 20 sports that HAVE to be in every Olympics, then let the hosting city decide on what the remaining sports are (the only criteria being that it has been approved to be sufficiently international), so long as they have at least X amount (maybe have a minimum of 28ish, which will be the total number of Olympic sports once Rugby and Golf get in in 2016). If the host city wants to host 35 different sports and is willing to pay for all of those facilities, great! If not they just need to pick out the ones to fill out the 28.

It would help cut down on costs, while also allowing each host city to have some local flavor. Like, if the USA were to get the 2024 or 2028 games, we'd probably add in baseball, softball, maybe some MMA and some action sports like skateboarding (American Football would be unlikely to be up to Olympic standards, especially if NFL players took part), while giving rugby and probably handball a Games off. Japan could have baseball, softball, karate and sumo wrestling (which apparently has a surprising amount of participation by Eastern Europeans). Spain could have Basque Pelota... etc.



...
By the way, for all of the faults of the IOC (full of cronyism, regionalism, chauvinism, favoritism and countless other faults), NBC's coverage and the Olympics, I like it. A lot. I watch at least a little bit of almost all of the sports. I'm probably going to get up early at least a few times to watch some events live online. And, maybe I'm a romantic, but the idea that maybe, somehow, the Olympics can make us come together as one world for a week or two, still sounds good.
   44. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:00 PM (#4193795)
the IOC being dominated by dirty, liberal Europeans

Hey, when does the baseball competition start?
   45. smileyy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:00 PM (#4193797)
I wonder if fencing would be more accessible if the announcers explained how injured/dead the competitor would be if they were actually swordfighting. That's the evolution, right? A way of deciding the superior swordsman that doesn't leave one or both dead or maimed? That makes the jerky, sudden spastic movements make more sense.
   46. I am going to be Frank Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:04 PM (#4193802)
Wow, I would watch some jousting.
   47. Gamingboy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4193803)
The thing with fencing is that it apparently isn't even that much like actual sword-fighting, but rather a offshoot of what swordfighting training was like. Real swordfights probably didn't last much longer than four seconds and certainly didn't stop with every touch.
   48. aleskel Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4193806)
the fastest tickets for olympic events to be sold out are swimming and equestrian events. go figure


Limited tickets are probably the answer.


I suspect these sports may also have the most cross-over appeal between the sexes (let's not discount the beefcake element in swimming)
   49. just plain joe Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:13 PM (#4193815)
Boxing, wrestling, equestrian, I don't understand what's going on


Geez, boxing might be the simplest sport ever, two guys trying to beat the crap out of each other.
   50. Swedish Chef Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:15 PM (#4193819)
Real swordfights probably didn't last much longer than four seconds and certainly didn't stop with every touch.

When the arms race to full plate armor had run its course, a sword fight could have lasted forever (if the fighters had been daft, that is) as there was little they could do to harm each other.
   51. Rants Mulliniks Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4193820)
beefcake element


Magic Mike has made over $100 million at the box office (on a $7 million budget), so women are obviously no different than men when it comes to ogling.
   52. Swedish Chef Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4193822)
Geez, boxing might be the simplest sport ever, two guys trying to beat the crap out of each other.

And what's hard to understand, they never ever punch each other in the groin...
   53. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4193823)
the big story seems to be that republican guy

does he REALLY represent a large part of the american voting public???

sheesh
   54. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4193826)

Magic Mike has made over $100 million at the box office (on a $7 million budget), so women are obviously no different than men when it comes to ogling.


I have actually been surprised to hear from several people whose opinions I respect about movies that the film is actually a very nuanced take on the modern economy and gender roles and is a thoughtful piece worthy possibly of picture of the year, not the beefcake movie it is advertised as. I had no idea it was a Steven Soderbergh movie.

And uh, Olympics, yea. Who is favored in baseball this year? Japan?

Oh, right. So I guess I can go back to not giving a ####.
   55. Gamingboy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4193830)
Say, if MMA were to be added to the Olympics, would they call it Pankration?
   56. just plain joe Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:29 PM (#4193835)
And what's hard to understand, they never ever punch each other in the groin...


Hardly ever, you could ask Larry Holmes about that.
   57. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4193843)
Geez, boxing might be the simplest sport ever, two guys trying to beat the crap out of each other.

Not really. They're trying to score points. The guy who seems the most beaten-up at the end of the fight is often the winner. And in the Olympics the fights last about five minutes and there's all this safety padding so they couldn't beat the crap out of each other if they tried.
   58. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:37 PM (#4193844)
boond

nope. the equestrian events go over a good many days. check out the nbc tv schedule. and the cross country course is spread out over hill and dale

equestrian events have a passtionate global following.
   59. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4193849)
kind of flummoxed as to what is complicated about wrestling. sure there are nuances but fundamentally the guy on top is likely winning. (ok, here comes the lame jokes)

greco roman can be tedious because the wrestlers have to throw one another and not target the legs for takedowns. so it's two guys rope a doping to topple each other which looks like two men slow dancing.
   60. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4193852)
Bruce Dickinson is an avid fencer.


The Bruce Dickinson?
   61. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4193854)
coached wrestling for years. big proponent of wrestling. great way to instill discipline on an individual level.
   62. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:43 PM (#4193855)
wrestling is also a great way to develop the ability of when to 'strike'. practicing something enough to see the opportunity as it unfolds. this can be adapted in many areas of life and is extremely beneficial

good wrestlers become great negotiators
   63. aleskel Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4193861)
which looks like two men slow dancing.

uh ... yeah ... that's what it looks like
   64. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:53 PM (#4193866)
Geez, boxing might be the simplest sport ever, two guys trying to beat the crap out of each other.


History's first sport had to be a Point A to Point B footrace.
   65. Tom T Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:55 PM (#4193870)
Gymnastics is fun to watch even though the judging thing.


For men's gymnastics, the newer scoring system really helps in this regard. My eldest son has been doing gymnastics (transitioning from level 5 to level 6 this year) for the past four years and we've had a great time with it. The fact that a move is either completed or not (binary decision) and that there is no "artistic impression" component is great. (I mean, toes not pointed on the p-bars? then -0.3 per swing!) Rings and p-bars are his favorite and best events, and the scoring is pretty easy to grasp on these.

The girls' competitions were supposed to have implemented this scoring system a few years back, but I have yet to see it take effect in any of the girls' meets at our gym. Don't know if it is just a local issue, or if something slowed the introduction. Though, I want to say that when I've watched B1G women's gymnastics, I was still seeing scoring "out of 10" suggesting that SOMETHING happened to keep all the bogus scoring intact.
   66. G.W.O. Posted: July 27, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4193872)
(Joey B.) I have absolutely no idea who that is. The last Olympic event I ever saw was when Roy Jones absolutely beat the living hell out of that Korean kid in '88 and got robbed by the hometown judges. Haven't watched a second since.


And yet, on a site with 99.5% baseball threads, here you are.
   67. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4193881)
And yet, on a site with 99.5% baseball threads, here you are.


Good point. Like people who like to proclaim (sometimes over and over again) that they have so-and-so on ignore, Joey feels the need to post in a thread about something he has no interest in, that he has no interest in it.

edit: To be fair though, I take issue with the 99.5% number. Right now, hot topics is barely 50% baseball (breastfeeding, politics, NBA, soccer, Olympics being 5 of the top 7 as I type this.)
   68. Swedish Chef Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:03 PM (#4193883)
Could we please quit picking on that particular scab yet?
   69. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:03 PM (#4193885)
good wrestlers become great negotiators

Hey, I was a good wrestler!
   70. Rants Mulliniks Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4193887)
The Bruce Dickinson?


Yep, I was listening to Seventh Son of a Seventh Son when the topic of fencing came up, so I had to add that to to the thread.
   71. Ron J2 Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4193888)
#23 Well he only listed Jones which is among the biggest robberies, but it's not the judging isn't questionable in 40+% of the fights in any given Games. (Jones was clearly wrong, but amateur boxing gives no credit for hitting the opponent hard and that confuses a lot of people. Hence the use of the word questionable)

That said, it's generally incompetence and not actual malice. (Again, Jones is the exception)

Figure skating used to be far worse. Open buying and selling of votes and package deals to boot.
   72. Sean Forman Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4193889)
History's first sport had to be a Point A to Point B footrace.


That is kind of a fun thing to imagine. Two kids pointing at a tree and running to and from it.

Is there any evidence that other animals race for fun? Bonobos, Chimps? I know they race to avoid being eaten, but what about as a test of ability?
   73. Gamingboy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4193890)
I think I read somewhere that the Roy Jones decision was some sort of form of reverse-Genovese Syndrome: one judge felt bad with how bad a beating Park had gotten and thought at the very least he should get one card in his favor so that he wouldn't get shut out in front of the home crowd. Problem was, enough of the others had the same idea.
   74. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:10 PM (#4193894)
shooty

well, it's not an absolute rule.......
   75. Swedish Chef Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:11 PM (#4193897)
good wrestlers become great negotiators

Hey, I was a good wrestler!


The great Swedish wrestlers seem to have the collective intelligence of a flower pot.

The Swedish Wrestling Federation kept a clear medal hope at home so they could send a director's daughter to the games, dumb #####.
   76. Swedish Chef Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4193900)
Is there any evidence that other animals race for fun? Bonobos, Chimps? I know they race to avoid being eaten, but what about as a test of ability?

There's certainly animals that race for sex. But maybe that wasn't what you had in mind.
   77. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4193902)
Yep, I was listening to Seventh Son of a Seventh Son when the topic of fencing came up, so I had to add that to to the thread.


Cool, but I was referring to this one.
   78. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4193904)
Is there any evidence that other animals race for fun? Bonobos, Chimps? I know they race to avoid being eaten, but what about as a test of ability?


I spent some time walking in the UK this spring and saw approximately 3 billion lambs running after each other in one way or another. All sorts of young animals chase each other around, though I'm not sure if you could call that racing.
   79. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4193911)
Is there any evidence that other animals race for fun? Bonobos, Chimps? I know they race to avoid being eaten, but what about as a test of ability?
I'd love to know the answer to this question
   80. Lassus Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4193913)
My Olympics begin and end with table tennis and badminton this year.
   81. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4193915)
I spent some time walking in the UK this spring and saw approximately 3 billion lambs running after each other in one way or another. All sorts of young animals chase each other around, though I'm not sure if you could call that racing.

My cats race and wrestle with each other. It seems to have a sporting element to it.

well, it's not an absolute rule.......

If you could only see the sad expression on my face right now, it would break your frozen Wisconsin heart.
   82. Gamingboy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4193920)
Is there any evidence that other animals race for fun? Bonobos, Chimps? I know they race to avoid being eaten, but what about as a test of ability?

I'd love to know the answer to this question


I think Dolphins occasionally race each other for fun. At least when they are young. Of course, Dolphins are also one of the few other species on earth to kill stuff for shits and giggles, so....


Bonobos, I think, are only interested in sex. So I guess they'd just stay in the Olympic Village.
   83. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4193922)
My Olympics begin and end with table tennis and badminton this year.


Oh yeah, table tennis. That is some weird, wild stuff. How the hell they see the ball, much less hit it, much less hit it to where they want it to go... I feel my ability to make contact against MLB pitching is better than my ability to successfully return an Olympic level TT smash.
   84. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4193923)
I think Dolphins occasionally race each other for fun. At least when they are young. Of course, Dolphins are also one of the few other species on earth to kill stuff for shits and giggles, so....


Sometimes when I'm offshore, Dolphins will come and surf the bow wave. I can't fathom any other reason they do that than for fun. It's amazing to see.
   85. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4193926)
race for fun? horses certainly do. honest. maybe not all horses but definitely horses used in competitive events such as horseracing (duh) and the like.

seen it once seen it a 1000 times one of the horses reach out to challenge someone via a nip and then the two are off down the pasture before suddenly pulling up after hitting some hidden finish line known only to them. not goofing around. dead gallop

all the time
   86. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4193930)
shooty

doubtful. i have no heart
   87. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4193934)
BBC1's live feed here.

Right now, it's showing a feature on a Brit cyclist - and the background music is off the Trainspotting soundtrack.
   88. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4193938)
("Sing" by Blur, if you have to know.)
   89. frannyzoo Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:37 PM (#4193942)
Sports are beneath the dignity of goats, but much of the captive goat's life consists of screwing with the mind of their captors. They are wickedly smart in the best sense of the term. We also have horses and they do race each other from time to time, just for the heck of it.

Edit: As noted by Harveys above...
   90. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4193944)
87. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4193934)
BBC1's live feed here.

Right now, it's showing a feature on a Brit cyclist - and the background music is off the Trainspotting soundtrack.


Outstanding. Thanks.
   91. Gamingboy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:42 PM (#4193945)
I'm going to follow the opening ceremonies online and then later watch it when it's on NBC. I don't know why, that's just what I'm going to do.
   92. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4193946)
I'll be watching the big name track events (100m, 200m, 4x100m, 4x400m), but I've excited to watch this guy compete. It's not often you see real history being written in a sporting event.
   93. nick swisher hygiene Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4193947)
and yes, the wallbanger household will be watching all of the equestrian events


glad to see at least some Republicans who aren't hiding from their traditional cultural values!
   94. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4193948)
It appears the organizers have re-created The Shire at the stadium.
   95. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4193949)
I'm going to follow the opening ceremonies online and then later watch it when it's on NBC. I don't know why, that's just what I'm going to do.

Same here, most likely.
   96. Gamingboy Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4193952)
I think it's partially because of my high moral fiber that refuses to watch a feed of questionable legality from outside the country online when it'll be on legally later.
   97. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4193953)
post 93

i hide from nothing
   98. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:46 PM (#4193954)
Hold on...NBC isn't broadcasting the opening ceremonies live and then again on tape delay?
They are only doing the tape delay?

Wow.
   99. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4193957)
Plausibly live!
   100. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: July 27, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4193958)
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