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Tuesday, March 19, 2013

OT: March Madness Thread—

For some reason the OT: College Basketball Thread has been closed, just in time for March Madness.  So let’s use this thread for all of our NCAA Tournament discussion (and NIT, CBI, et al).

The title link goes to Ken Pomeroy’s 2013 NCAA tournament log5 predictions for each round of the tournament.

VoodooR Posted: March 19, 2013 at 11:04 AM | 641 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Adam M Posted: March 23, 2013 at 10:31 PM (#4395150)
An exciting exhibition of terrible basketball.
   202. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 23, 2013 at 10:32 PM (#4395151)
I don't know if anything annoys me more (in a basketball context; terrorism is slightly more bothersome) than a team not even getting a shot off at the buzzer. Or, in Butler's case, taking a remarkable bit of good fortune and then wasting it by screwing around for two seconds with 2.9 on the clock, only to end up quite literally throwing the ball at the basket.
   203. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: March 23, 2013 at 10:33 PM (#4395152)
198: The last one or the air ball before it?
The airball before. He short-armed that terribly.
   204. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 23, 2013 at 10:36 PM (#4395153)
That was probably the best game of the tournament so far (not a ringing endorsement for this tourney.)
   205. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 23, 2013 at 10:39 PM (#4395154)
I don't know if anything annoys me more (in a basketball context; terrorism is slightly more bothersome) than a team not even getting a shot off at the buzzer. Or, in Butler's case, taking a remarkable bit of good fortune and then wasting it by screwing around for two seconds with 2.9 on the clock, only to end up quite literally throwing the ball at the basket.


That is basically women's basketball anytime there's a need for a buzzer shot. KSU's final effort yesterday vs LaSalle was the sorriest I've seen in some time. As a Marquette fan, I was convinced this would end up like the game in Maui against Butler with Rotnei bagging some 3 off a screen.
   206. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 23, 2013 at 10:51 PM (#4395160)
I don't agree with Seth Davis on many things, but when he says that a coach's timeout after the media break line should trigger the media break, I'm with him 100 percent.
   207. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: March 23, 2013 at 10:55 PM (#4395162)
John Stockton hasn't aged a day.
   208. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 23, 2013 at 10:59 PM (#4395165)
Hmmm. The Butler-Marquette game ended several minutes ago, but the top sports headline on MSN.com even as I type is "Butler grabs sweet upset over Marquette."

I'm pretty sure that's wrong.
   209. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: March 23, 2013 at 11:00 PM (#4395168)
Gonzaga in serious, serious trouble
   210. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 23, 2013 at 11:09 PM (#4395173)
He hasn't aged, and he has still never been seen sweating, ever.
   211. thok Posted: March 24, 2013 at 12:09 AM (#4395182)
The realist/cynic in me doesn't see Cal pulling off the upset but I hope they do.


Having watched the game, I'm really annoyed with Crabbe. After watching the UNLV game, I thought Cal could attack Syracuse's zone by getting Crabbe the ball in motion at the free throw line and letting him set up shots for himself and the big men inside. Instead, Crabbe spent something like 90% of the game 30-40 feet from the basket. I don't blame him for not scoring a lot; I do blame him for not getting involved in the offense at all.
   212. madvillain Posted: March 24, 2013 at 12:54 AM (#4395190)
Raise your hand if you thought Gonzaga was a weak #1. Ok, that's a lot of hands.

Looking forward to the Florida and Minnesota game, among other. It's exciting to have Michigan in the Sweet 16 for the first time since Bill Clinton was president. Now Michigan fans can just enjoy tmr and the next 6 days of hype.


it's bad basketball


Yea, it is, at times. But it's also compelling competition, and it makes for fascinating theory-crafting. Some teams though have a lot of talent and when they put it all together -- see Michigan and MSU today for example -- it's exciting. You can't tell me that Adrian Payne alley-oop or that white dude on Florida Golf Coast's alley-oop weren't get out of your seat moments.

Dunno, I'm a basketball fan and you can admit it's not nearly as high level as the NBA and still enjoy it.

Rules changes need to happen though...
   213. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: March 24, 2013 at 01:39 AM (#4395194)
You can't tell me that Adrian Payne alley-oop or that white dude on Florida Golf Coast's alley-oop weren't get out of your seat moments.
That FGCU dunk was insane. That guy looked like he jumped off a trampoline.

The games are compelling because of the stakes, but in terms of quality the tourney's taken a real tumble in recent years.
   214. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:46 AM (#4395204)
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   215. frannyzoo Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:20 AM (#4395233)
At the risk of further illustrating that I'm a remarkably dim person, why is Kansas favored over UNC today by 6.5 pts (or so)? And the moneyline is 3.35? Just asking for a similarly dim friend.
   216. Howie Menckel Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:56 AM (#4395240)
ACC sucked this year


"[Stockton] hasn't aged, and he has still never been seen sweating, ever."

I once covered an NBA All-Star Game in San Antonio. The next morning, across the street from the hotel, was either a Denny's or an IHOP, I forget which. And there I saw Stockton with his wife and kids (including this one all grown up now) squeezed into a booth. He could not have looked more like an insurance broker or accountant getting in some quality family time on a well-earned day off.


   217. steagles Posted: March 24, 2013 at 12:12 PM (#4395242)
Having watched the game, I'm really annoyed with Crabbe. After watching the UNLV game, I thought Cal could attack Syracuse's zone by getting Crabbe the ball in motion at the free throw line and letting him set up shots for himself and the big men inside. Instead, Crabbe spent something like 90% of the game 30-40 feet from the basket. I don't blame him for not scoring a lot; I do blame him for not getting involved in the offense at all.
one mistake that i see a lot of teams make against these overly aggressive defenses is that they try to run an offense. i think the only way to attack a team like louisville is to spread the floor with a 4-corners type offense and try to beat them 1 on 1. when you try to run a motion offense or set screens, they'll clutch and grab you to the point that your offense completely bogs down. and if you try to run a pick and roll, they'll trap you out to 35 feet.

but if you spread the floor, then all you have to do as a ballhandler is get a shoulder in front of the guy who's defending you and then you'll either have a lane to the basket, or the defense will collapse on you, which will either open up a shooter at the 3p line or a teammate in the paint.
   218. hokieneer Posted: March 24, 2013 at 12:47 PM (#4395261)
So I wonder if ISU is going to hit enough 3s to stay in this game. It seems early on they don't have much of an answer for Thomas and OSU's defense has been giving them some trouble.
   219. The Ghost is getting a Woody Posted: March 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM (#4395266)
They're sure in it now. But I just tuned in, and I probably gave them the kiss of death with that pronouncement.
   220. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 01:36 PM (#4395282)
I believe I read how Stockton was able to 'go out' in Barcelona w/o being recognized during their Dream Team tour. I assume he may have been the only guy, since Laettner would stand out at his height.
   221. hokieneer Posted: March 24, 2013 at 01:53 PM (#4395294)
ISU switching to the zone certainly helped to mitigate some of the advantage Thomas has. Even after going to a lot of zone, they are still killing OSU on the boards, not sure I saw that coming.

The turnovers though are probably going to do them in. Most of them are a result of OSU's pressure, but some of them are just carelessness with the ball.
   222. madvillain Posted: March 24, 2013 at 02:10 PM (#4395303)
The turnovers though are probably going to do them in. Most of them are a result of OSU's pressure, but some of them are just carelessness with the ball.


O$U is just solid all around. They have their star in Thomas, a guy that can create his own shot, a lockdown defender in craft, and then a bunch of role players after that. Michigan and Indiana and MSU are more talented, but O$U does everything fairly well and don't have a clear weakness to exploit.

That's why I have them in my FF, among other things.

edit: ah yes, classic kiss of death, 12-2 run for ISU
   223. hokieneer Posted: March 24, 2013 at 02:30 PM (#4395308)
So that's the rule on the restricted area? If the heel of the foot is clearly on the line, but the defender raises up on his toes so the heel doesn't actually touch the line, then he's not in the restricted area?


#222, I have OSU in my FF as well. This was a difficult game for me to pick though, as ISU can be extremely explosive on offense. Any team that routinely chucks up 25-30 3pt a game, and makes a decent % of them, can beat anybody.
   224. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 24, 2013 at 02:33 PM (#4395310)
I had Iowa State going to the Elite Eight. Thought I was SOOOOO clever.
   225. smileyy Posted: March 24, 2013 at 02:33 PM (#4395312)
[223] It sounds weird the way you describe it, but that's how every most lines on the court works. I guess there's a plane of verticality on defending inbounds and shooting free throws.
   226. smileyy Posted: March 24, 2013 at 02:34 PM (#4395314)
[224] Clever...but perhaps not Craft-y enough? /ducks
   227. madvillain Posted: March 24, 2013 at 02:36 PM (#4395315)
Aaron ####### craft. Now some of the rest of the country understands why B1G opponents won't be sorry to see him leave. Guy is a hip check arm slap in motion.
   228. SoSH U at work Posted: March 24, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4395316)
Yes, that's the rule on the restricted area. The rule where you get into position before the guy takes off, however, was suspended for that particular play. That was a bullshit call, though I guess the Cyclones have gotten used to that in late-game situations this season.
   229. Metternich Posted: March 24, 2013 at 02:48 PM (#4395320)
I for one am glad to see that college basketball officiating now recognizes sliding under an already airborne offensive player as the hallmark of good defense. Either that or constantly clutching and grabbing as part of your "tough", "hard-nosed" defense. I mean, who wouldn't want to watch a game played by ten Aaron Crafts?
   230. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 24, 2013 at 02:55 PM (#4395322)
i don't like the trend over the last few years of guards holding the ball at the end of games and then jacking up a wild shot. craft's was better than most but this absolute insistence on being 'the hero' has made end of games less enjoyable. run a play for cr8ssakes
   231. smileyy Posted: March 24, 2013 at 02:57 PM (#4395324)
[230] I think the idea is to guarantee the final shot without risking turnover. I don't think its a guy wanting to be the hero, I think its the play the coach wants run.

You really only see that when the score is tied -- the team wants a chance to win without giving up much of a chance to lose.
   232. hokieneer Posted: March 24, 2013 at 02:59 PM (#4395325)
Yes, that's the rule on the restricted area. The rule where you get into position before the guy takes off, however, was suspended for that particular play. That was a ######## call, though I guess the Cyclones have gotten used to that in late-game situations this season.


Oh yeah I agree, it was a terrible ####### call, for reasons you cite. I just couldn't believe it was made, because at first glance I thought it was apparent he was in the restricted area. I suppose the ruling is consistent with how the out of bounds lines and 3pt lines are ruled, but still seems that a line/rule that's meant to prevent a defensive player from standing X ft from the basket to gain an advantage should have a vertical plane interpretation to it. Craft was still in the "restricted area", but just raised his heels.
   233. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:01 PM (#4395326)
smileyy

i think you are being overly kind.

and if coaches are choosing to go this route then boooo on them

   234. smileyy Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:05 PM (#4395327)
It makes for bad entertainment, but good game theory, unfortunately.
   235. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:07 PM (#4395328)
I feel horrible for Iowa State fans, and I was really glad Chuck brought up the egregious officiating error in the studio rather than praising Craft for a garbage play like the in-game commentators. That wasn't even a close call. Craft was never set, inside the restricted area, and knocked off balance by his own teammate before being contacted by a completely in-control ISU player. It's ridiculous that they're trying to make this into some sort of gray area. Iowa State was robbed at the end of a game again, even more so considering that they probably should've had the final possession after that rebound was knocked out of bounds. Looked like it was either off OSU or simultaneous contact, and ISU had the possession arrow. Great shot by Craft at the end, but OSU never should've been in position to win the game like that.
   236. nick swisher hygiene Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:23 PM (#4395332)
the charge rule is pretty close to ruining college hoops for me...why can't the sort of defensive action guys do when trying to draw a charge simply be defined as not a "basketball play"? change the rules to stipulate that when defending you can guard a man and you can contest a shot, but if you're not doing one of the two you are not going to draw a foul on the offensive player....
   237. smileyy Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:26 PM (#4395335)
[236] That's getting pretty close to my desired interpretation. I can see a desire to keep games from getting too physical, but at the same time, these guys aren't made of glass.

If you're planted, and straight up and down, and the guy jumps up into your body, you've played good defense and forced him to take a tough shot.

OTOH, if he lowers his shoulder to get through you, I'm fine calling that a charge. But being landed on when a guy shoots a tough layup? That's not a charge.
   238. madvillain Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:34 PM (#4395336)

OTOH, if he lowers his shoulder to get through you, I'm fine calling that a charge. But being landed on when a guy shoots a tough layup? That's not a charge.


Yea, is seems like 90% of college ball fans are for no calls in those situations. The only people that aren't are Whisky and Aaron Craft fans.
   239. nick swisher hygiene Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:37 PM (#4395337)
237--yeah, my language is way too simple obviously, but something along those lines could work.....95% of the charges I want to see eliminated are drawn by help defenders.
   240. frannyzoo Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:40 PM (#4395340)
Duke must lose. At least it's an ethos.
   241. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:41 PM (#4395341)
mad

if your reference is to badger fans i have not seen wisconsin drawing an inordinate number of charging calls.

typically because they pinch so hard nobody can drive to the hoop
   242. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:47 PM (#4395344)
and mad if you were referencing someone like mike kelley or joe krabbenhoft i would not even hesitate in nodding. those guys definitely stepped in at every opportunity. blech

and kelley was a great defender otherwise. why he felt the need to push that approach was disappointing
   243. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:50 PM (#4395346)
Khalif Wyatt is on fire today.

Cody Zeller has a habit of disappearing in games.
   244. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:54 PM (#4395347)
not that unsurprising that indiana is struggling

just not a team that copes well with a team that gets in their face.

and if folks want to gripe about refs not calling stuff i won't bark back

just that this is indy's big ten rep. if you are confident enough to get up on their guys, all of them, some of them will back down
   245. Kurt Posted: March 24, 2013 at 03:58 PM (#4395350)
[230] I think the idea is to guarantee the final shot without risking turnover. I don't think its a guy wanting to be the hero, I think its the play the coach wants run.

You really only see that when the score is tied -- the team wants a chance to win without giving up much of a chance to lose.


But you saw the exact same thing right before that. Craft pounded the ball into the floor for 30 seconds, hoisted up a brick, and the ball went out of bounds off of Iowa State.
   246. Kurt Posted: March 24, 2013 at 04:04 PM (#4395352)
And by the way, you uys are exactly right. CBS is spending all kinds of time on whther his heel was hovering over the circle...who gives a ####? He wasn't set. He wasn't playing defense. All he was trying to do was draw a charge.
   247. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 24, 2013 at 04:24 PM (#4395358)
so is zeller getting the cr0p beaten out of him and no calls or is he just flailing around?
   248. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 24, 2013 at 04:27 PM (#4395361)
ok, that last replay helped. that's way too much contact

   249. Kurt Posted: March 24, 2013 at 04:35 PM (#4395364)
Anyone know anything about vividseats? They have better prices than stubhub for Thursday, but I've never heard of them.

Also wondering whether a Temple upset would drive prices up or down.
   250. Lassus Posted: March 24, 2013 at 04:51 PM (#4395370)
I guess it's not too groundbreaking to say that us Syracuse fans are rooting for Temple.
   251. Lassus Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:02 PM (#4395372)
Jesus that is some terrible work by Temple.
   252. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:03 PM (#4395374)
had the open shot and he nailed it

good for him
   253. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:06 PM (#4395376)
Your top priority there has to be to defend the three-point line. You don't want to give up anything, of course, but a two still leaves you with a one-possession game.
   254. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:11 PM (#4395377)
So, the Big 10 has their top 4 into the sweet 16. Don't think Ill or Min has much of a chance.
   255. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:30 PM (#4395385)
are there any pure shooters in the remaining tourney? anyone who if they get an open look you are thinking 'that's a score'
   256. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4395392)
are there any pure shooters in the remaining tourney? anyone who if they get an open look you are thinking 'that's a score'


Florida has a 6'10 big man, Erik Murphy, who shoots about 47 percent from three.
   257. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:34 PM (#4395394)
cf

good to know

thanks
   258. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:38 PM (#4395399)
cf

good to know

thanks


Sure. Just keep an eye out for the big goony white guy who looks like a Wisconsin transfer.
   259. The Ghost is getting a Woody Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:39 PM (#4395400)
Cruel, CF, just cruel.

EDIT: But I laughed, of course.
   260. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 24, 2013 at 06:25 PM (#4395423)
hey now, let's play nice
   261. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: March 24, 2013 at 06:28 PM (#4395425)
Anyone know anything about vividseats? They have better prices than stubhub for Thursday, but I've never heard of them.


Used them for the Big East Tournament (and then Heat-Pistons a few days ago). Got real tickets, though they weren't electronic, so I had to pay for overnight shipping. Watch the fees and shipping costs. Also, your order isn't official until they confirm with the seller that the tickets are still available (the sellers can list them elsewhere).
   262. steagles Posted: March 24, 2013 at 06:34 PM (#4395428)
Jesus that is some terrible work by Temple.
Your top priority there has to be to defend the three-point line. You don't want to give up anything, of course, but a two still leaves you with a one-possession game.

temple didn't lose the game here, but the sequence where indiana got the ball back on a possession arrow and hit a 3 after watford bricked a shot so bad it stuck in the rim was a real punt cunch.

and with the end game, temple needed to foul immediately with ~40 seconds left. they were down 1 and indiana was in the double bonus, so if you put them on the line the worst case scenario would be that you get the ball back down 3. that's not good, but it gives you 40 seconds to close the gap. the longer the game goes, the more likely you are to either win or take it to overtime.

the way temple played it, the worst case happened; oladipo hit the 3, putting temple down 4 and that was pretty much the end. but even the best case would be that oladipo bricks the shot and temple gets the ball with no timeouts, ~10 seconds left, down 1.


what really hurt was that o'brien, randall and cummings went a combined 0-21 from the floor. if any of them had shown up at any point in the game, temple wins. but since they didn't, temple didn't deserve to win.
   263. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 24, 2013 at 06:38 PM (#4395430)
Damn, Florida looks smooth so far.
   264. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 24, 2013 at 06:46 PM (#4395433)
Erik Murphy's mom is named "Pivey."
   265. smileyy Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:00 PM (#4395439)
Apropos of nothing, does anyone actually like the alternating possession arrow?
   266. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:02 PM (#4395440)
Apropos of nothing, does anyone actually like the alternating possession arrow?


The sign industry?
   267. SoSH U at work Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:07 PM (#4395447)
Apropos of nothing, does anyone actually like the alternating possession arrow?


As a youth ball coach and scorekeeper, I can say with absolute certainty that alternating possession is a must.

At the college level, I'd rather see the jump ball.

   268. smileyy Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:12 PM (#4395452)
[267] I'll agree with that -- it strikes me as another example of treating D-I College Basketball players like children.
   269. SoSH U at work Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:43 PM (#4395465)
I'm not virulently anti-alternating possession, but I really hate the rule that a held ball where the possession arrow favors the team on offense doesn't result in a new shot clock. Logically, if you're alternating posessions, then what the state of the game was before the jump ball sitaution happened should be irrelevant.

And I was under the impression the NCAA created the rule, and the high schools and lower levels quickly followed (perhaps simultaneously).

   270. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:54 PM (#4395471)
As a Johns Hopkins alum and an aficionado of hot supermodel wives, I am 100% behind Andy Enfield and Florida Gulf Coast despite the fact that they humiliated the Hoyas (which is really their own damn fault). Pulling for history to happen, and there's still an outside chance that it might.
   271. JJ1986 Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:04 PM (#4395477)
There is a whistle being blown every few seconds in the Florida/Minnesota game. Really hard to watch.
   272. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:07 PM (#4395478)
Yeah, this is getting very annoying.
   273. Kurt Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:08 PM (#4395480)
Used them for the Big East Tournament (and then Heat-Pistons a few days ago). Got real tickets, though they weren't electronic, so I had to pay for overnight shipping. Watch the fees and shipping costs. Also, your order isn't official until they confirm with the seller that the tickets are still available (the sellers can list them elsewhere).

Okay, thanks.
   274. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:33 PM (#4395491)
That was more complicated than it needed to be, but you've got to love a Sweet 16 match-up against, at best, a 7 seed.
   275. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:36 PM (#4395495)
These FGCU kids...they got heart. And swagger.
   276. hokieneer Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:47 PM (#4395505)
That was more complicated than it needed to be, but you've got to love a Sweet 16 match-up against, at best, a 7 seed.


I'm hoping for a Kansas/Florida Elite 8 matchup, not just for my bracket reasons, but because I think it has the potential to be the best game of the tournament.
   277. PJ Martinez Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:49 PM (#4395510)
This guy Comer on FGCU is fun to watch. Good court vision, nice passing.
   278. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:54 PM (#4395514)
This guy Comer on FGCU is fun to watch. Good court vision, nice passing.
FGCU is winging the ball all over the court like a pinball...and yet it keeps ending up in the hands of a guy wearing blue. It has to at least 50% luck, but hey: better lucky than good.
   279. PJ Martinez Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:58 PM (#4395521)
It's not luck when the pass is coming from Comer. That guy knows what he's doing out there.
   280. SoSH U at work Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:58 PM (#4395524)
How the hell did FGCU lose to Lipscomb?

Twice.


   281. Spivey Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:59 PM (#4395526)
The Gulf Coast could win the ####### tournament.
   282. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:01 PM (#4395530)
I'm hoping for a Kansas/Florida Elite 8 matchup, not just for my bracket reasons, but because I think it has the potential to be the best game of the tournament.


I'm a little torn on that one, because I went to KU for grad school, my sister went there for college, I'm sort of from Kansas City, it would be nice to poke fun of my sister if UF won and if Florida has to lose it would be good for it to happen to a school whose success I can still enjoy.

On the other hand, I think that's a crummy match-up for Florida, and losing in the Elite Eight three straight years would be...less than ideal.
   283. PJ Martinez Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:09 PM (#4395536)
And apparently Brown is a walk-on?
   284. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:12 PM (#4395541)
Well FGCU has impressed the #### out of me tonight. The paranoid in me won't say it's over yet...but wow.
   285. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:16 PM (#4395543)
Incredible. Well that's the game of the tournament so far.

EDIT: Loving the sportsmanship from SDSU, especially Jamal Franklin, at the end there. "Go and get 'em, kids."
   286. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:20 PM (#4395544)
FGCU playing w house money and lots of people in their corner. That' s great story.
   287. hokieneer Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:42 PM (#4395549)
Is FGCU the first 15 seed in the Sweet 16? I know I've seen a few 15s win a game (Hampton, Lehigh), but can't remember any of them winning 2 games.
   288. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:44 PM (#4395551)
Is FGCU the first 15 seed in the Sweet 16? I know I've seen a few 15s win a game (Hampton, Lehigh), but can't remember any of them winning 2 games.
First ever.
   289. hokieneer Posted: March 24, 2013 at 10:10 PM (#4395559)
are there any pure shooters in the remaining tourney? anyone who if they get an open look you are thinking 'that's a score'


The Creighton/Duke game features McDermott(50%), Kelly(47%), and Curry(44%). Both teams are shooting awful so far, it's hard to watch.
   290. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:00 PM (#4395578)
3 double-digit seeds in the Sweet 16 (Oregon, FGCU and LaSalle).

I thought the Warriors new unis were bad--why were San Diego State players wearing long sleeves??
   291. Textbook Editor Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:00 PM (#4395579)
LaSalle is one game from the Elite 8. Basketball is a funny game.

Kudos to the 20th and Olney crew.
   292. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:08 PM (#4395582)
Who was the dude with goggles who played for Utah, nicknamed Big Dog--was it Austin Carr or Antoine Carr? Creighton has a clone playing down low.
   293. hokieneer Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:20 PM (#4395585)
Interesting development in the Creighton/Duke game. Duke has extended the lead to 7, and Creighton is really having trouble getting quality looks. But both Plumlee and Kelly have 4 fouls. 12 min to go
   294. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:23 PM (#4395586)
Who was the dude with goggles who played for Utah, nicknamed Big Dog--was it Austin Carr or Antoine Carr? Creighton has a clone playing down low.

Antione--but it was Wichita State, not Utah (Austin was Notre Dame--still has the highest PPG in the NCAA tournament)

EDIT: Antione Carr played with one of 3 players who led the NCAA in PPG and RPG--and that would be...?
   295. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:28 PM (#4395587)
X McDaniel
   296. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:31 PM (#4395588)
I was thinking Utah Jazz, not the Utes...yeah, that's him.

My first guess for your question was Adrian Dantley, but he was another Notre Dame guy. Oh the days when a college guy averaged 30 ppg. Has anyone done that since Chris Jackson?
   297. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:31 PM (#4395589)
you got it DK
   298. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM (#4395590)
without looking--who was the last college player to average 40 PPG?
   299. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:34 PM (#4395591)
Man, Chris Jackson (Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf) was a gunner--22 FGA/game in two years of college.
   300. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:45 PM (#4395594)
who was the last college player to average 40 PPG?


I know Pistol Pete was over 40 ppg for his career, so I'm gonna guess him. LSU has had its share of gunners.
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