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OT: Monthly NBA Thread- June 2014

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, but with our own thread, we won’t detract from what this site is really about: Vladimir Putin’s draft strategy, Stephen Drew’s breakfast, and whether Kevin has taken a material step toward harming Russell Westbrook.

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   701. yo la tengo Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM (#4726939)
LeBron's reaction to the block on Beasley says it all, doesn't it?
   702. Squash Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:07 PM (#4726940)
Yeah, that totally stopped him last time.

The first time he didn't know. Now he knows.
   703. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM (#4726942)
So Patty Mills is the new Danny Green is the new XXXX. I love when people are shocked that NBA players can shoot.
   704. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM (#4726943)
So, Greg Oden's gonna get some minutes, right?
   705. yo la tengo Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM (#4726944)
Is there a point when Spo just sits his guys in the 4th? There is not a comeback left in this team
   706. Spivey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:10 PM (#4726949)
Is there a point when Spo just sits his guys in the 4th? There is not a comeback left in this team


Sure, but it's not close. Teams can, in theory, come back from 19 down with a quarter left.
   707. King Mekong Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:12 PM (#4726950)
Tiago Splitter revenge game!
   708. MikeOberly Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:12 PM (#4726951)
Are the Heat really going to pay Wade 20+ million next year?
   709. yo la tengo Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:13 PM (#4726952)
Oden is inactive for this game (dunno why) They showed him in his street clothes
   710. Fourth True Outcome Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:17 PM (#4726955)
With 10 minutes left and a 14-point game, that 5th foul on Leonard could be big. It's unlikely it will, but possible...
   711. Booey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:17 PM (#4726956)
Wow. I had really high hopes for an epic series (like last year), and instead this has been the biggest Finals mismatch since, well, the Spurs last title (against James and a different bunch of scrubs, no less). SA has just bent Miami over a chair and had their way with them these last 3 games.

I don't believe that this is just a random hot streak by the Spurs anymore, either. I think the Heat just flat out have no idea how to guard SA.
   712. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:18 PM (#4726957)
You wouldn't be *surprised* to see the Heat win? I mean, I wouldn't bet my life on the Spurs yet but I think we've hit the "surprise" threshhold.

This is RDP, the only thing that surprises him is someone else being surprised.
   713. Kurt Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:20 PM (#4726961)
Credit to Miami; at least they've shown some energy this quarter.
   714. King Mekong Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:22 PM (#4726963)
Wow, just wow
   715. yo la tengo Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:22 PM (#4726965)
I think SA might be fine even if Kawhi just sits the rest of the game. What's next for them, a Matt Bonner barrage of 3 pointers? Everything is going right for them in much the same way that everything was wrong in the first 6 minutes
   716. yo la tengo Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:24 PM (#4726967)
Holy crap a 5 second call out of a timeout?!?!??!!!!
   717. Squash Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:26 PM (#4726969)
I don't believe that this is just a random hot streak by the Spurs anymore, either. I think the Heat just flat out have no idea how to guard SA.

I think it's still a combination of both. Miami is getting run out of the gym, but the Spurs are also hitting a ton of jumpshots and specifically a ton of threes. And it's not like Miami isn't getting open three looks, though they aren't getting many - they're also missing all of them.
   718. King Mekong Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:29 PM (#4726973)
717 the spurs D has been more consistent in denying those sorts of open looks

edit: or what you said, heh
   719. King Mekong Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:31 PM (#4726974)
716 - beasley
   720. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:31 PM (#4726976)
Holy crap a 5 second call out of a timeout?!?!??!!!!


They also had a 24-second violation not too long ago, when they were down big. Why are you even taking 24 seconds to shoot in that situation, let alone seeing the clock expire?
   721. Squash Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM (#4726977)
Let me say again, Wade is cooked.
   722. Booey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM (#4726978)
Miami is getting run out of the gym, but the Spurs are also hitting a ton of jumpshots and specifically a ton of threes.


A big part of that though seems to be that Miami doesn't know how to counter SA's passing and their ability to find the open man. Spurs shooters have hit a ton of jumpers cuz they've been open a ton of times. Deep shots become high percentage shots when no one is near you.
   723. MikeOberly Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM (#4726979)
Wade has actually played a great game considering the massive fork in his back.
   724. rr Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:35 PM (#4726982)
San Antonio delivered. Great performance.
   725. King Mekong Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:40 PM (#4726985)
Seems like Tim for the MVP. Leonard has a pretty good claim too. What a crazy series, still hard to believe that it turned out this way.
   726. Spivey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:40 PM (#4726986)
That Patty Mills heat check 3rd quarter was one of my favorite moments in sports in a long while.
   727. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:42 PM (#4726987)
This series won't be fully complete unless LeBron cries afterwards.
   728. Publius Publicola Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:42 PM (#4726988)
Congratulations, Spurs. You proved beyond a doubt you're the best team.
   729. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM (#4726992)
Mark Jackson is tough to listen to.
   730. RollingWave Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:44 PM (#4726993)
This last 3 game is almost certainly the most lopsided dominance of any finals series. Against the best player in the league, jebus, they should just enshrine Pop and Duncan right now
   731. Squash Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:44 PM (#4726995)
Yeah seriously, great ball by the Spurs. A worthy champion!
   732. Spivey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:45 PM (#4726997)
Just a month ago the Spurs were played to a standstill by the Dallas Mavericks.
   733. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:46 PM (#4726998)
Way to go Spurs....love LeBron, but San Antonio is so damn fun to watch.
   734. Squash Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:46 PM (#4726999)
I always like seeing the scrubs playing super hard at the end of the Finals.
   735. Booey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM (#4727001)
Congrats to the Spurs and their fans.

Duncan becomes only the 2nd player in NBA history to win titles in 3 different decades. And since the other was John Salley, he's the first legitimate star to do it.

I think this result is for the best - it would've felt wrong if Greg Oden had won a title before Kevin Durant. ;-)

   736. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:50 PM (#4727004)
San Antonio's offense won the series, but their defense was no slouch: Miami didn't crack 100 in a single game.
   737. yo la tengo Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:50 PM (#4727005)
Does Duncan hang it up after this? Would be a hell of a way to ride into the sunset
   738. King Mekong Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:51 PM (#4727006)
Spurs have best playoff point differential in finals, and in playoffs. Top 87 lakers for latter.
   739. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:52 PM (#4727008)
I always like seeing the scrubs playing super hard at the end of the Finals.


Yeah, the kicker was that the stars didn't even wait for the scrubs to stop scrimmaging before they began shaking hands.
   740. MikeOberly Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:53 PM (#4727010)
I think Duncan might have one more in him. If Pop was leaving, I think Duncan would retire, but sounds like Pop wants to come back.
   741. King Mekong Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM (#4727013)
wow, on further thought maybe Kawhi for the MVP
   742. Squash Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:57 PM (#4727015)
Wow Stuart Scott has lost a lot of weight.
   743. Booey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4727016)
Has anyone from a losing team over won Finals MVP? LeBron did have a really great series. Wonder if he'd even accept it? I'd think it would be rather embarrassing to be given the award after such a one sided series.
   744. MikeOberly Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4727018)
Deserving MVP. Amazing after the first two games.
   745. Booey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4727019)
KAWHI!!!!!!!
   746. yo la tengo Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4727020)
So pleased for Leonard. Timmy would have been an easy choice, but I like this
   747. Squash Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4727021)
That's nice. Leonard truly was the most valuable player on the floor.
   748. Spivey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:01 PM (#4727022)
So happy for Kawhi!
   749. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:01 PM (#4727023)
Lebron in the finals: 28/8/4, 57% FG, 52% 3P, 2.0 SPG

The Spurs shot 53% FG and 47% 3P (!), the latter of which has to be a record easily, right? Kawhi shot 61% and 58%, respectively, scoring 18 per game on only 9.8 FGA.

This year's best team won, the Spurs are certainly deserving champions, and I'm happy to see Duncan and Popovich win another.

It's going to be a fun offseason.
   750. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:02 PM (#4727024)
Did Kawhi break character for half a second before getting on the mic? That guy is robotic (in a good way)
   751. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:03 PM (#4727026)
Lebron was the most valuable player on the floor. I'm happy for Leonard getting his run, but Lebron had a great series. His team did not.
   752. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:03 PM (#4727028)
Duncan and Pop will come back for sure. The one thing main thing they've never done is go back to back. Next year, though, might be different.
   753. yo la tengo Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:03 PM (#4727029)
The three decade thing is cute but it's such a fluke about when you start your career. The 15 year thing is more meaningful
   754. Howie Menckel Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:04 PM (#4727030)

wow, no player ever could have substituted for LeBron and won this series!

I wonder if the Heat Big Three, as they used to be known, are rethinking their own individual futures now. LeBron can go anywhere and be a title contender by himself - heck, he proved it this year, lol
   755. MikeOberly Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:05 PM (#4727031)
Has Ginobli had the second best ever career in the NBA as far as international players? Or am I missing someone?
   756. GregD Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:05 PM (#4727032)
Duncan jumping into the arms of David Robinson is pretty hilarious. At first I couldn't see Robinson, and I saw Duncan leap up and thought Good God this is going to be like a Wrestlemania moment.

Who knows, but one could imagine the clarity of this victory would convince the Spurs they have one more in them. They'd have to be the favorites for next year right now no matter what goes on in the offseason, right?

Does LeBron have the gonads to convince Wade that they all should opt out, then convince the Heat to stab Wade in the back and refuse to resign him?
   757. Booey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:08 PM (#4727035)
Spurs 52.8 shooting percentage sets a Finals record.
   758. Booey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:09 PM (#4727037)
The three decade thing is cute but it's such a fluke about when you start your career. The 15 year thing is more meaningful


Definitely.
   759. Booey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:10 PM (#4727039)
Re: Has Ginobli had the second best ever career in the NBA as far as international players? Or am I missing someone?

Olajuwon, Dirk, Ewing, Nash, for sure. Probably Pau Gasol.

Edit: Mutombo?
   760. MikeOberly Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:12 PM (#4727040)
Thanks, was definitely forgetting Olajuwon. (Nash too, but I tend to forget he is international)
   761. MikeOberly Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:14 PM (#4727041)
And Mutombo...is he better than Ginobli? Not sure, I have always been high on Ginobli.
   762. yo la tengo Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:15 PM (#4727042)
Ginobili >>> Mutombo
   763. rr Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:15 PM (#4727043)
kpelton Kevin Pelton
Per @bball_ref, the Spurs' +214 point differential is the highest ever for a playoff run (was +205 for 1987 LAL):
   764. Booey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:16 PM (#4727044)
If you count the Virgin Islands as foreign, Ginobili may only be the 3rd best international player on his own team (Duncan for sure, maybe Parker?)

Edit: not trying to minimize Manu. He's had an awesome career.
   765. Booey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:17 PM (#4727045)
I'd probably take Manu over Mutombo. I just threw him out there as a guy that deserves consideration.
   766. RollingWave Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:17 PM (#4727046)
Olajuwon, Dirk, Ewing, Nash, for sure. Probably Pau Gasol.

Outside of Gasol, Manu is the only player of this bunch that actually played in the Euro league for many years before coming over though, Hakeem was in the US since college, Ewing since he was 12, does Canadians really count as internationals when there are Canadian teams in the NBA?
   767. MikeOberly Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:18 PM (#4727047)
I wasn't counting Duncan or Ewing, maybe I should....I don't really think of either as international players.
   768. Howie Menckel Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:18 PM (#4727048)

"Has Ginobli had the second best ever career in the NBA as far as international players? Or am I missing someone?"

Drazen Petrovic

#dammit
   769. RollingWave Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:20 PM (#4727049)
I must say though, in terms of international pedigree, the very fact that Manu lead the one and only team to beat the Dream team in the Olympics really puts him ahead of just about everyone else regardless.
   770. King Mekong Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:24 PM (#4727052)
I'd only go Dirk/Olajuwon/Nash over Ginobili (Duncan depending on whatever would be #1).

Other factoid of interest to perhaps only me: Spurs won first 4 NBA finals in 4 (Cavs), 5 (Knicks), 6 (Nets), and 7 (Pistons) Games.
   771. King Mekong Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:26 PM (#4727053)
We may have covered this already, but who has had the best 2nd rounder career in NBA History. Ginobili would have to be up there for that.
   772. GregD Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:26 PM (#4727054)
that and as said above his Euroleague play--finals MVP and 3-time all-star--make him a different type of international player than most of the other guys. If you did the harmonic mean between international and US careers, Manu is probably at the top, right?
   773. MikeOberly Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:27 PM (#4727055)
That's an interesting question....hard to imagine a better second rounder than Manu.
   774. Booey Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:34 PM (#4727059)
Other factoid of interest to perhaps only me: Spurs won first 4 NBA finals in 4 (Cavs), 5 (Knicks), 6 (Nets), and 7 (Pistons) Games.


I actually do remember noticing that after their 4th title. Seeing that list again begs the question; how the hell did they lose twice to the 2003 Nets (49 wins in an awful conference)? ;-)
   775. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:37 PM (#4727061)
Hard as it may be to believe, if you throw out game two there's never been a more lopsided final in NBA history, with an average winning margin of eighteen ####### points. And even with game two, the average margin was still fourteen. It's nice to see the Heat get crushed, but I can't imagine that anyone expected anything like this.
   776. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:52 PM (#4727066)
Another interesting factoid: this Heat team has lost exactly 7 games in each of its 4 playoff runs.

Congrats to the Spurs and their fans!
   777. Howie Menckel Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:54 PM (#4727067)

"I must say though, in terms of international pedigree, the very fact that Manu lead the one and only team to beat the Dream team in the Olympics really puts him ahead of just about everyone else regardless."

Drazen Petrovic

#dammit

unless LeBron sucks because the Heat just lost

   778. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: June 15, 2014 at 11:59 PM (#4727069)
LeBron can go anywhere and be a title contender by himself

Anywhere in the Eastern Conference.
   779. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 16, 2014 at 12:01 AM (#4727070)
We may have covered this already, but who has had the best 2nd rounder career in NBA History. Ginobili would have to be up there for that.


Possible contenders: Willis Reed? Alex English? Dennis Johnson? Dennis Rodman? Depending on how far back you want to go, Hal Greer, Willis Reed, and Tiny Archibald.

The big knock against Manu is that over the past 10 seasons (his best 10), he's averaged just 65 games per season and 27.5 minutes per game. He's definitely the best guy ever picked 57th or later.
   780. Howie Menckel Posted: June 16, 2014 at 12:06 AM (#4727071)
I have a really, really good Willis draft story if I show up Saturday and a beer lands at my post-game tavern spot

:)

   781. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2014 at 12:06 AM (#4727072)
Once again, I continue my streak of always being wrong about San Antonio.

Everyone else was right, and I was dead wrong.
   782. Booey Posted: June 16, 2014 at 12:14 AM (#4727074)
Once again, I continue my streak of always being wrong about San Antonio.


You're not alone. My original picks had them losing in the 2nd round. To be fair, I had them playing Houston - I would've picked them over Portland for sure. But thinking the Rockets would beat them looks pretty stupid in hindsight, too.

I'm done picking against the Spurs. I'd rather be wrong once when they finally do regress instead of every year when they don't.
   783. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: June 16, 2014 at 12:16 AM (#4727075)
Courtesy of the RealGM Twitter account:

Finals PER
1. LeBron: 32.2
2. Mills: 25.0
3. Kawhi: 24.0
4. Green: 24.0
5. Duncan: 19.8
6. Splitter: 19.2
7. Parker: 17.7
8. Ginobili: 17.5
9. Bosh: 16.0
10. Wade: 14.8
   784. Howie Menckel Posted: June 16, 2014 at 12:18 AM (#4727076)

"Once again, I continue my streak of always being wrong about San Antonio."

not a damning sign at all; you know and love the game, clearly. let's do it again next season!

   785. RollingWave Posted: June 16, 2014 at 12:26 AM (#4727077)
Anywhere in the Eastern Conference.


Well I'm not that sure about that if he joins the Cavs / Sixer / Bucks / Celtics (yes shots fired.) and maybe the Pistons.

And i'm pretty sure he won't make the Jazz / Kings / Lakers contender next year.
   786. RollingWave Posted: June 16, 2014 at 12:28 AM (#4727078)
Finals PER
1. LeBron: 32.2
2. Mills: 25.0
3. Kawhi: 24.0
4. Green: 24.0
5. Duncan: 19.8
6. Splitter: 19.2
7. Parker: 17.7
8. Ginobili: 17.5
9. Bosh: 16.0
10. Wade: 14.8

And if you put the next 4 highest Heat on the list it will get much more ugly

   787. Manny Coon Posted: June 16, 2014 at 12:28 AM (#4727079)
I'd probably take Ginobili over Nash, he's so far ahead defensively and offensively while Nash was great at what he did Ginobili is incredibly versatile, which is a big part of how the Spurs can easily plug new players into their system.
   788. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 16, 2014 at 12:37 AM (#4727080)
I'd probably take Ginobili over Nash, he's so far ahead defensively and offensively while Nash was great at what he did Ginobili is incredibly versatile, which is a big part of how the Spurs can easily plug new players into their system.
I was about to say the same thing. Nash is great at running an offense and can shoot the lights out from range, but Ginobili can create his own shot, and do a fair bit of rebounding and playmaking on the side.

He looked better tonight than he has in two years.
   789. rr Posted: June 16, 2014 at 12:38 AM (#4727081)
Everyone else was right, and I was dead wrong.


You were wrong, and you were the most insistent about it, but you were not alone in being wrong. When SA was tied 3-3 with Dallas, I specifically said that there were no great teams in the West who would take charge of the playoffs. I hedged it a little, saying that SA was the team most likely to do so, but that I didn't think they would. And as I said, if I had had to bet on the Finals, I would have bet on Miami. I thought the series would be extremely tight. I simply didn't think that SA could shoot that well over the course of multiple post-season series, but they did.

As an aside, I generally don't take predictions very seriously, except in cases when the prediction is

a) Unusual, counter to the prevailing wisdom
b) Vociferous
c) Based on specifics before the fact that play out in real life

Then I do take a look at it. But in general, I think predictions are mostly just a fun thing/ego thing.

   790. rr Posted: June 16, 2014 at 12:55 AM (#4727082)
Looking at NJ's list, that is sort of why I picked Miami: they have the guy with the 32.2 PER. But SA was phenomenal, and Wade, Bosh and the Miami role players obviously didn't get the job done.

Tonight was Shane Battier's last NBA game, but he is the kind of guy who may have an even higher profile in retirement than he did while he was playing.
   791. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: June 16, 2014 at 12:57 AM (#4727083)
that and as said above his Euroleague play--finals MVP and 3-time all-star--make him a different type of international player than most of the other guys. If you did the harmonic mean between international and US careers, Manu is probably at the top, right?


Ichiro.
   792. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: June 16, 2014 at 01:35 AM (#4727084)
Ichiro could've powered through Ray Allen and thrown down on Chris Bosh...if he wanted to.
   793. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: June 16, 2014 at 03:02 AM (#4727089)
Has anyone from a losing team over won Finals MVP?


Jerry West did once, in the middle of the Celtics' run, but he's the only one.
   794. Publius Publicola Posted: June 16, 2014 at 06:34 AM (#4727099)
It was at the end of the Celtics run but yeah, West did it. And he was the first winner too.

It's kind of funny that they named the award after Russell, who never won it even once.

Tship, about that $20. Go ahead and pick a sponsorship for yourself. I'm not really interested in that sort of thing.
   795. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:10 AM (#4727121)
Post Finals thoughts:

I had the Spurs in 6 but feel just as wrong as anyone who picked the Heat, as I certainly didn't expect San Antonio to dominate so thoroughly.

Kawhi was obviously not the most valuable player, but he's very enjoyable to watch on both ends of the floor and seems like a likable guy, so I thought that was great.

I still think that the Heat rolling it back with a new supporting cast is as likely as not, but that's 2 straight Finals in which they were outplayed. Obviously Wade isn't opting out unless he has some kind of long-term guarantee, so I know if I were Lebron or even Bosh I wouldn't want to be tethering the rest of my prime/post-prime to Wade.
   796. yo la tengo Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:22 AM (#4727127)
So, in three of the four finals this Heat team played they were not the dominant team. A slightly different rebound bounce and they lose last year in 6. Is the financial model of the Big 3 so crippling that you cannot weather the storm of another worthy opponent in the finals? I think Riley has done reasonably well with these constraints
   797. Howie Menckel Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:29 AM (#4727132)

plus the East is weaker, too. I agree that they should make longterm decisions as if they lost 3 of 4 Finals instead of split, in that it paints a more realistic picture - don't overrate your roster based on that "slightly different rebound bounce."

2 years, $42M left for Wade. bleh
   798. Publius Publicola Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:35 AM (#4727136)
I think Riley has done reasonably well with these constraints


It was Riley who was responsible for those constraints in the first place.

I thought he took some long gambles with the roster this year in Oden and Beasley. Beasley is an enigma, his enigmatism fully on display last night. While he has talent and can put the ball in the hole, he's an airhead who can deflate his team as fast as he can pick them up. And Oden is Oden, all potential at this point and in the forseeable future.

   799. Kurt Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:42 AM (#4727141)
So, in three of the four finals this Heat team played they were not the dominant team. A slightly different rebound bounce and they lose last year in 6. Is the financial model of the Big 3 so crippling that you cannot weather the storm of another worthy opponent in the finals? I think Riley has done reasonably well with these constraints


The financial model of a "Big Three" wasn't the problem*, the problem was that Wade doesn't seem to be very good any more and the 4-12 guys on the roster as a whole were pretty terrible.

* This is assuming there was even a problem. The Big three have been together for four years, and made the finals all four times. Putting together the very best team, guaranteed to steamroll any opponent, is an impossible goal. If I had a chance to put together a Big Three like Miami did, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
   800. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM (#4727147)
Flip?
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