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Wednesday, October 11, 2017

OT - NBA 2017-2018 Tip-off Thread

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, some of whom still care about baseball playoffs, but all of whom agree the Celtics gave up too much for Irving.

Here’s the thread’s top 50 players ranking.

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2017 at 11:21 AM | 3977 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   2601. PJ Martinez Posted: January 13, 2018 at 08:47 PM (#5606125)
flip
   2602. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: January 13, 2018 at 08:56 PM (#5606128)
Nobody's beating the Warriors if they're playing like they did in the first half.
   2603. PJ Martinez Posted: January 13, 2018 at 09:21 PM (#5606131)
Every bench in the NBA acts a fool when times are good.

Oh, I know -- I'm just venting. And it does feel different when the league's massive overdog does it. Also, as a non-Warriors fan, they continue to be less fun, for me, in the Durant era. But I root for one of the NBA's two most hated franchises, so I shouldn't complain.
   2604. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: January 13, 2018 at 09:40 PM (#5606134)
Well, this has gotten more interesting.
   2605. PJ Martinez Posted: January 13, 2018 at 10:07 PM (#5606138)
A valiant effort. Derozan's been awesome this year.
   2606. tshipman Posted: January 13, 2018 at 10:08 PM (#5606139)
I don't really get what's objectionable about the Warriors' bench reaction. Ibaka wasn't hurt or anything, and it was a clean play.

***

Second game of a road B2B and the Warriors kind of ran out of gas towards the end. That said, Toronto is a really good team.

I think if they weren't TORONTO, with all the miserable failures in the playoffs these last few years, we'd have a lot of conversation about whether they were the best team in the East.
   2607. PJ Martinez Posted: January 13, 2018 at 10:31 PM (#5606145)
I think if they weren't TORONTO, with all the miserable failures in the playoffs these last few years, we'd have a lot of conversation about whether they were the best team in the East.

Agreed.
   2608. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: January 13, 2018 at 11:03 PM (#5606152)
I think if they weren't TORONTO, with all the miserable failures in the playoffs these last few years, we'd have a lot of conversation about whether they were the best team in the East.

Yep.
   2609. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: January 14, 2018 at 12:27 AM (#5606172)
I still think Toronto may be the best East team. For all their playoff struggles, they took the title-winning Cavs to 6 games in the ECF. On top of that, they shoot way more 3s now, they have Ibaka and Poetl protecting the lane. Derozan is a way more well rounded and excellent player. Also Cleveland's taken real steps back.

Now, Toronto has absolutely gotten off to very good starts and than fizzled (not just playoffs but the second half of the year). But if they keep this up, sure, I'm open to them winning. I think what happens with IT3's health is key. If he's not playing well, well then so much is down to LeBron on both sides of the floor.
   2610. tshipman Posted: January 14, 2018 at 12:33 AM (#5606173)
I still think Toronto may be the best East team.


Yes, but there is an element of, "Ehhhh....". Like, I think it, but when I'm about to say it, I kind of pause.

For all their playoff struggles, they took the title-winning Cavs to 6 games in the ECF. On top of that, they shoot way more 3s now, they have Ibaka and Poetl protecting the lane. Derozan is a way more well rounded and excellent player. Also Cleveland's taken real steps back.


Sure, and when they got swept last year, I thought they got super unlucky. They couldn't hit an open 3 to save their life and the Cavs went like 60% from 3 for the series. However, that kind of crap happens to them every year. It's like the Chris Paul Clippers. SOMETHING always seemed to happen.

I think what happens with IT3's health is key.


I don't know that I agree. Cleveland has three replacement level guys in their rotation. JR has been ass for 2 years. Wade is two years too old. Shumpert is awful. TT is trade bait and Frye is unplayable against good teams.

I think Cleveland is just a bad team.
   2611. PJ Martinez Posted: January 14, 2018 at 03:04 PM (#5606279)
The Fultz story continues to be weird.
   2612. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 14, 2018 at 03:07 PM (#5606283)
   2613. SteveF Posted: January 14, 2018 at 03:30 PM (#5606294)
His shot looks fine in this clip. I guess maybe the shot has a bit of a hitch to it.
   2614. PJ Martinez Posted: January 14, 2018 at 03:41 PM (#5606297)
2613: lol
   2615. . . . . . . Posted: January 14, 2018 at 05:05 PM (#5606348)
That is the yips.
   2616. PJ Martinez Posted: January 14, 2018 at 05:29 PM (#5606352)
The yips really does seem like the most plausible explanation at this point. I hope he gets whatever it is straightened out. I want Tatum to be better but I don't want Fultz to be bad.
   2617. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 14, 2018 at 05:44 PM (#5606356)
The yips really does seem like the most plausible explanation at this point. I hope he gets whatever it is straightened out. I want Tatum to be better but I don't want Fultz to be bad.

lucky for fultz, the sixers have an eminently qualified medical staff that's willing to give him a cortisone shot and diagnose him with a scapular imbalance as placebos. if there's a better way to fix someone's mental health issues than repeatedly lying to them, the sixers don't know and they don't care.

   2618. . . . . . . Posted: January 14, 2018 at 06:21 PM (#5606368)
The yips aren’t a mental health issue. Current thinking is that it’s neurological, but I don’t think they can cure it.
   2619. JC in DC Posted: January 15, 2018 at 10:53 AM (#5606568)
Interesting in the video is how the guy in the foreground can't help but watch him shoot. Ugh. That's so much worse than it used to be, it does seem like it's mental. Is there a prior example of basketball yips?
   2620. . . . . . . Posted: January 15, 2018 at 11:18 AM (#5606586)
Interesting in the video is how the guy in the foreground can't help but watch him shoot. Ugh. That's so much worse than it used to be, it does seem like it's mental. Is there a prior example of basketball yips?


No, but if a focal dystonia can ruin a golf swing or a throwing motion, it can sure as hell ruin a shot.

   2621. Fourth True Outcome Posted: January 15, 2018 at 03:35 PM (#5606767)
Thanks for the Walton thoughts, tship and rr. I'm curious about the dude, because of both pedigree and father, and it's hard to tease out from afar how he's doing on a team that young and inchoate.
   2622. JC in DC Posted: January 15, 2018 at 07:43 PM (#5606956)
Great game from Frank N tonight. Huge block on Carroll, really a fun one to watch. My psyche desperately needed this game.
   2623. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 15, 2018 at 07:50 PM (#5606960)
3577. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: May 16, 2017 at 10:08 PM (#5457124)
danny ainge has that weird brain guy in his ear, and if that guy throws his weight behind ball, they're likely to take ball


I know that weird brain guy, and I'm pretty sure he's a hell of a lot less weird than you, not that its a particularly high bar.


knowing how the draft played out, that BOS was lower on fultz than most others, that fultz has mental issues or anxiety or just the yips, i'm curious about what ainge's weird brain guy thought about fultz before the draft.

do you have an in?
   2624. . . . . . . Posted: January 15, 2018 at 10:25 PM (#5607037)
Not since my wife left Waltham, I don’t.
   2625. tshipman Posted: January 15, 2018 at 10:30 PM (#5607040)
Jeff Green is like what if you took LeBron's body, but took away all of his skills.

That's Jeff Green. He tries to do all the same stuff, but he's just not very good at it.
   2626. tshipman Posted: January 15, 2018 at 10:45 PM (#5607048)
Have the Cavs been running this trap defense in other games?

They keep trying to trap Curry at the top of the key, and it's not working very well.
   2627. Thok Posted: January 16, 2018 at 07:27 AM (#5607085)
Tyrone Wallace seems to be playing well for the Clippers during his call up. That's cool.
   2628. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 16, 2018 at 08:18 AM (#5607097)
I'm sorry I missed that Clips-Rockets game last night. I guess don't expect that Chris Paul number retiring ceremony in LA any time soon.
   2629. JC in DC Posted: January 16, 2018 at 09:19 AM (#5607128)
I know it's not for everyone, but I love this stuff. And, why do I love Trevor Ariza so much? The NBA needs more rivalries like this.
   2630. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 16, 2018 at 09:19 AM (#5607129)
The good part of The Process is, they can stay at the #3 spot and take a risk with a guy like Markelle Fultz who may or may not pan out if he can get past his issues, instead of feeling compelled to trade up to #1 to take a so-called sure thing.
   2631. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 16, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5607146)
LaVine has looked really good so far in his 2 games back. The Bulls have kept him under 20 minutes and not played him in the 4th quarter (though they won both of those games, which ended up being close). He definitely a different type of player and adds good variety and some nice skill to that group; he's shot well too right off the bat, which helps.
   2632. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: January 16, 2018 at 10:26 AM (#5607160)
LaVine has looked really good so far in his 2 games back. The Bulls have kept him under 20 minutes and not played him in the 4th quarter (though they won both of those games, which ended up being close). He definitely a different type of player and adds good variety and some nice skill to that group; he's shot well too right off the bat, which helps.

This is good to hear. I really came around on him by the end; he started out as clueless as any NBA draftee I can remember, and has turned himself into a good player with a great upside.
   2633. . . . . . . Posted: January 16, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5607181)
Re: Fultz, I had forgotten about this, which I think is actually a positive sign (the yips never went away completely, but they also waxed and waned).

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderni01.html
   2634. jmurph Posted: January 16, 2018 at 11:38 AM (#5607226)
This is good to hear. I really came around on him by the end; he started out as clueless as any NBA draftee I can remember, and has turned himself into a good player with a great upside.

I like him a lot, too, and think he has a chance to be a pretty elite scorer. I'm skeptical about the defense, but he's athletic enough to keep you hoping for improvement, at least.
   2635. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 16, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5607240)
Kris Dunn has also decreased his cluelessness level markedly this year. Lauri Markkanen is the fastest rookie to 100 three-pointers in NBA history. Seems like a good trade for both the Bulls and Wolfs.
   2636. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 16, 2018 at 12:29 PM (#5607287)
The Lakers are putting up an Elgin Baylor statue at Staples. Well played, Lakers.
   2637. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 16, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5607324)
Kris Dunn has also decreased his cluelessness level markedly this year. Lauri Markkanen is the fastest rookie to 100 three-pointers in NBA history. Seems like a good trade for both the Bulls and Wolfs.

After LaVine's first game, there was already an article calling the trade a win-win. I'm still going to wait on that. Dunn looks better, but mostly because he looked so bad. He's not that young, and I understand PGs can take some more time to develop, but I'm not sure how high his ceiling really is. I am definitely impressed and smitten with Markkanen, but not going to get too far ahead of myself halfway through 1 season. LaVine is going to be really expensive soon, so there may not be a ton of value there when he's getting the max (I'm pretty sure he's getting the max). So, maybe, yeah, the trade has worked out better than I expected or even could have hoped for. I still think it was a mistake for the Bulls to include their first round pick and/or not get any future picks (and I'm still pissed the Bulls just sold Bell), so that's going to cloud my evaluation of the deal for a while.
   2638. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: January 16, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5607329)
I think it was a bad trade for the Bulls, but not a catastrophic one.
   2639. jmurph Posted: January 16, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5607353)
Dunn still can't shoot and I don't see any reason to believe that's going to all of a sudden change. I don't think you can really build around a point guard like that absent an absolutely perfect roster elsewhere (Rondo and the Garnett/Pierce/Allen Celtics, basically?), so I still think his future is as a back-up.
   2640. jmurph Posted: January 16, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5607368)
Marc Stein was on Nate Duncan's podcast talking trade rumors, and he mentioned the Bucks are still pursuing DeAndre. The talk centered around Jabari. So, who says no?

Bucks get: DeAndre
Clippers get: Jabari, Henson

That Henson contract doesn't look great (20ish combined for the two years after this one). And Jabari will need to be paid immediately. But DeAndre can opt out.

I think I do that if I'm the Bucks. They're not very good as is, and probably can't really pay Jabari, especially given his injury history, so I think it's worth taking a stab at DeAndre/Giannis/Bledsoe. The key would be getting DeAndre to opt-in for a year, which might just be impossible, granted.

   2641. JC in DC Posted: January 16, 2018 at 06:44 PM (#5607671)
I wonder if the Knicks call find anyone interested in O'quinn, Thomas, or McDermott?
   2642. JJ1986 Posted: January 16, 2018 at 08:09 PM (#5607719)
Could you ever play Jabari and Blake together?
   2643. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 16, 2018 at 08:48 PM (#5607732)
David Aldridge

Sixers announce @JJRedick will miss minimum of 10 days to two weeks after MRI reveals bone edema and a small cortical crack in the fibular head of his left leg.


in accordance with sixers tradition, redicks right leg was amputated two hours ago and the press will be notified about it in 3 weeks.
   2644. Randomly Fluctuating Defensive Metric Posted: January 16, 2018 at 11:15 PM (#5607793)
I wonder if the Knicks call find anyone interested in O'quinn, Thomas, or McDermott?


Was nice to see Willy get more minutes in that game, along with Trey Burke making his debut. Have to figure O'Quinn gets moved, but I don't think Kanter is out of the question, even if they remain in the mix for the eighth seed. If they get a good return for Kanter, you'd have to think about trading him considering Willy could replace a decent amount of his offensive value. Where they'd really miss him is the offensive rebounding. Do you think Kanter could have a future with this team? Also how do you feel about moving Courtney Lee? I know he provides three-point shooting and defensive value, but I feel like he disintegrates late in games. Getting some more cap room clear after signing Hardaway would be nice while staying in quasi-contention. Incidentally I think Hardaway is the most important player on this team besides KP. They fell apart without his transition scoring and he can get the rim. Those late-game Courtney Lee iso's were just miserable to watch.
   2645. JC in DC Posted: January 17, 2018 at 06:50 AM (#5607826)
Except KP and Frank, I like Hernangomez more than any other player on NY. I understand his defense is weak, that he cannot protect the rim and has below average lateral quickness. That said, in my opinion, he's a better ball distributor and has more court awareness than anyone other than Frank and maybe the skeletal remains of Noah. He's not Kanter on the offensive glass, but he was pretty good at that last year. So, were I NY, I'd bet on him long term over everyone else and move any of them over him. I'd move any of O'Quinn, Kanter, Noah (Ha!), Lee, and McDermott, if possible. I had a dream last night that LBJ got confused about the date and insisted the Cavs move their 1st round pick for Noah. More seriously, I could see them moving for Kanter. He doesn't solve their length and D issues, but he's better than Thompson at this point (IMHO) and gives them that relentlessness on the glass he used to provide. Lee has to be the most valuable asset, right? Really solid 3 and D guy; again, he'd help Cleveland. He's much more adult than Shumpert or JR, has no apparent ego, and just plays hard and smart. He's not the guy you want running ISOs as you point out, but there's a lot about him to like. He's just a little pricey.

On Hardaway.... I'm not sure what to say. He's solid, more solid than some on this thread seem to think, but do you win with Tim Hardaway Jr as your #2 option? I don't think so. I'd trade him as well if someone wanted him.
   2646. jmurph Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:36 AM (#5607866)
On Hardaway.... I'm not sure what to say. He's solid, more solid than some on this thread seem to think, but do you win with Tim Hardaway Jr as your #2 option? I don't think so. I'd trade him as well if someone wanted him.

He's an offense-only guy who is below average on offense (can't shoot, doesn't get to the line, etc.). And is highly paid. What is the argument in his favor? I don't think he's even a 3rd option- he should probably be coming off someone's bench.
   2647. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:44 AM (#5607872)
I think Tim Hardaway is a really nice microwave off the bench. He's having a poor shooting year so far but looks to generally be able to get you about a TS% of 55-56% with moderate usage. That's not nothing. I wouldn't mind him being a rotation piece on the Spurs, for example. You probably don't want him on your team at that salary number.
   2648. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:38 AM (#5607991)
does anyone else think all of these scuffles are good for the NBA and they should lean into it, instead of wringing their hands and shrieking about the children.

you don't want to encourage fighting and you don't want to let it get to the point where james johnson is disemboweling 11 wizardos, but i'm not sure you need to do anything more than ejections, fines and suspensions as long as there are no major incidents or injuries. just tell the players to keep it on the court and in front of the cameras.
   2649. RJ in TO Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:54 AM (#5608017)
in accordance with sixers tradition, redicks right leg was amputated two hours ago and the press will be notified about it in 3 weeks.


It really does feel like any Sixers injury report should end with the phrase "there were no survivors."
   2650. JC in DC Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5608059)
does anyone else think all of these scuffles are good for the NBA and they should lean into it, instead of wringing their hands and shrieking about the children.

See my 2629. I love the scuffles.
   2651. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5608067)
does anyone else think all of these scuffles are good for the NBA and they should lean into it, instead of wringing their hands and shrieking about the children.


Meh. It is mostly macho BS, and the world doesn't need more of that, but whatever. So long as hockey exists the NBA is a beacon of anti-violence.
   2652. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5608078)
Has anyone determined who the good guy is in a Paul-Griffin feud? Or is that a koan?
   2653. JC in DC Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:27 PM (#5608080)
It may be macho, but it ain't BS.
   2654. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:30 PM (#5608087)
Has anyone determined who the good guy is in a Paul-Griffin feud? Or is that a koan?

mu
   2655. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5608089)
K.C. Johnson @KCJHoop 28m28 minutes ago

Kerr on Bulls, who Warriors beat by 49 in November: “Completely different team. Don’t even recognize them.”

K.C. Johnson @KCJHoop 22m22 minutes ago

Steve Kerr on Bulls: “They run a beautiful offense.”
   2656. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: January 17, 2018 at 02:35 PM (#5608229)
There's the seeds of a really interesting team down in New Orleans. They still need shooting in the worst way, but Davis and Cousins are just an unsolvable physical problem, with broad enough skillsets to fit alongside a variety of backcourt lineups. Cousins' defense is still a big question mark, but there's something beautiful about a Twin Unicorn Towers roster plowing through a smallball league like a wrecking ball.
   2657. jmurph Posted: January 17, 2018 at 03:57 PM (#5608313)
There's the seeds of a really interesting team down in New Orleans. They still need shooting in the worst way, but Davis and Cousins are just an unsolvable physical problem, with broad enough skillsets to fit alongside a variety of backcourt lineups. Cousins' defense is still a big question mark, but there's something beautiful about a Twin Unicorn Towers roster plowing through a smallball league like a wrecking ball.

Agreed, despite them eking one out against Boston last night. I think they really screwed up with Holiday, though. I know they were up against it to some degree, but that one might be a killer. They're at $94.8 million next year without Cousins; if he walks they're only going to have like 7ish million to replace him.
   2658. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 17, 2018 at 04:55 PM (#5608363)
2641: I've seen of a few rumors of teams looking at KO'Q, one of the more underrated players in the league (imo).
   2659. JC in DC Posted: January 17, 2018 at 08:02 PM (#5608453)
I like KO'Q as well, Der K. He adds quite a bit of rim protection, he's pretty smart with the ball. He does, however, occasionally get lost on D and make some wildly ridiculous mistakes. IOW, he's limited. But he can help people off the bench.
   2660. Thok Posted: January 17, 2018 at 08:55 PM (#5608491)
Has anyone determined who the good guy is in a Paul-Griffin feud?


Stephen Curry. In general, the good guy in any NBA feud is Stephen Curry (except for the Stephen Curry-Riley Curry feud).
   2661. tshipman Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:06 PM (#5608500)
There's the seeds of a really interesting team down in New Orleans. They still need shooting in the worst way, but Davis and Cousins are just an unsolvable physical problem, with broad enough skillsets to fit alongside a variety of backcourt lineups. Cousins' defense is still a big question mark, but there's something beautiful about a Twin Unicorn Towers roster plowing through a smallball league like a wrecking ball.


The thing about this is that the team is better with AD on the court and no Cousins than it is with both of them together.
   2662. Tin Angel Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:29 PM (#5608542)
Sometimes I really wonder what Dwight Howard's IQ is.
   2663. Booey Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:34 PM (#5608544)
#2662 - Kelly Oubre had the correct response in that video.
   2664. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:51 PM (#5608549)
Howard drew a $35,000 fine for an on-court cunnilingus gesture, so the league may decide to try him as a repeat sex-mime offender.

   2665. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: January 18, 2018 at 12:53 AM (#5608569)
Nuggets employing the Hack-a-Montrezl to close tonight's game. He made 3 of 6 so I think that's a success?
   2666. Manny Coon Posted: January 18, 2018 at 12:54 AM (#5608570)
Waiters season ending injury really has boosted the Heat. I'm was really surprised the Heat we were willing to re-sign for real money and continue relying on him so much, usually they seem better managed than that.
   2667. maccoach57 Posted: January 18, 2018 at 03:43 AM (#5608575)
The Lakers are 0-8 without Ball and 15-21 with him. I haven't checked the game logs but I am sure it is partly a schedule thing, but still.
   2668. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 18, 2018 at 09:06 AM (#5608597)
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA 5m5 minutes ago

Bogdan Bogdanovic starting to crash the race for first-team All-Rookie. Not sure he can unseat any of Mitchell/Simmons/Tatum/Finnisher/Kuzma, but he's been really good all-around.


I love that nickname for Markkanen.
   2669. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: January 18, 2018 at 09:10 AM (#5608600)
I am really excited to see the Wolves at the ACC in a couple weeks.
   2670. DaVoice of DaPeople Posted: January 18, 2018 at 11:53 AM (#5608773)
How much stock should I put into the “per-36-minute” average stats that players put up? Like, I’ll go back to Montrezl Harrell. He’s DeAndre Jordan’s backup basically, so he only plays 15 minutes a game. But if you prorate his numbers to 36 minutes per game, well, then he’d be putting up 20 points and 9 boards a night (on 60% shooting).

Is that just a total garbage way of thinking? Or is it reasonable to look at it and say “Huh, yeah, I guess he really should be playing more”?
   2671. jmurph Posted: January 18, 2018 at 12:01 PM (#5608783)
Is that just a total garbage way of thinking? Or is it reasonable to look at it and say “Huh, yeah, I guess he really should be playing more”?

Eh, I think all information is useful. I find the per 36 numbers most useful for comparing starters or bench guys getting starter/near-starter minutes. Basically as an equalizer to account for one guy averaging 40 minutes a night and another guy only averaging 31, something like that. I'd probably be wary of relying on them too much for someone only getting 15 minutes? But, as you indicate, it would at least be a hint that he might merit more minutes.
   2672. JC in DC Posted: January 18, 2018 at 02:24 PM (#5608917)
What's happened to this thread? Used to be so active. There's good stuff going on in the NBA. Pick up your games, gentlemen!
   2673. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: January 18, 2018 at 03:18 PM (#5608963)
Sorry, bros. Between work, my on-going podcast failure, and a few other things (not the least of which being the Lakers are hard to watch), I haven't really followed the league as closely as in previous years :(
   2674. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 18, 2018 at 03:24 PM (#5608972)
I've become so used to the Warriors as an all conquering force the last few years I didn't even realize how close they are to the all time record for consecutive road wins until last night. I am officially spoiled. Also, Steph is now leading the league in TS%. I think he's lost too much playing time to be MVP but...he's the MVP.

Non-Warriors stuff: Very tough news about Kawhi. I don't know much about the injury he's suffering but this may be a lost year for him and it feels like it's come out of nowhere.
   2675. jmurph Posted: January 18, 2018 at 03:38 PM (#5608981)
What's happened to this thread? Used to be so active. There's good stuff going on in the NBA. Pick up your games, gentlemen!

I blame Philadelphia's triumphant ascent to mediocrity.
   2676. Booey Posted: January 18, 2018 at 03:39 PM (#5608982)
What's happened to this thread? Used to be so active. There's good stuff going on in the NBA. Pick up your games, gentlemen!


Other that catching (literally) a few minutes of a Jazz game here or there, I haven't been following the league at all this year. Donovan Mitchell has been the one bright spot for me.

I do have tickets for Jazz/Knicks tomorrow though, so I guess there's that.
   2677. jmurph Posted: January 18, 2018 at 04:03 PM (#5609004)
Ben Falk @bencfalk
Dennis Schroder currently ranks 95th out of 96 PGs on defense according to ESPN’s Real Plus/Minus.


EDIT: I read random interesting NBA tidbits on twitter many times a day, and would be happy to post more of them in an effort to kickstart the thread. Particularly when they reflect poorly on players/teams I don't like, or well on players/teams I do!
   2678. PJ Martinez Posted: January 18, 2018 at 06:50 PM (#5609104)
So, I'm guessing Boogie gets picked last?
   2679. Fourth True Outcome Posted: January 18, 2018 at 06:53 PM (#5609108)
I dunno, I could see LeBron doing a MJ-Isiah-Dream-Team maneuver to get Kyrie picked last out of sheer pettiness.
   2680. PJ Martinez Posted: January 18, 2018 at 07:23 PM (#5609134)
Interesting that Giannis led the player voting. (LeBron was second, Durant third.) And more players voted for Porzingis than Embiid.
   2681. JJ1986 Posted: January 18, 2018 at 07:28 PM (#5609137)
Manu was second in fan voting for WC guards? Weird.

Edit: Also, the scores for Manu and Draymond Green appear to be calculated incorrectly (although it doesn't change the ordering.)
   2682. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 18, 2018 at 08:22 PM (#5609166)
i had a horrible thought in the first half:

marcus smart reminds me of markelle fultz

*edit* on offense, i mean.

they have similar builds and similar athleticism. fultz was supposed to be a better shot maker, but they both have terrible shot selection and fultz made everything in college look like the most difficult thing in the world. i wasn't a big believer in fultz's offense before he had the yips, and who the hell knows what he'll look like when he gets back on the court.
   2683. PJ Martinez Posted: January 18, 2018 at 08:24 PM (#5609169)
marcus smart reminds me of markelle fultz

wishful thinking

(can't say I see the resemblance)
   2684. Fourth True Outcome Posted: January 18, 2018 at 10:28 PM (#5609273)
I think I can see what STIGGLES means. Smart has a good handle and uses space well, both to distribute and to look for his own shot when he chooses to; his problem is that he's a dogshit shotmaker. Fultz in college was the same kinda guy but making the shots.
   2685. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: January 18, 2018 at 11:50 PM (#5609311)
With the season about half over, time to check in on the 2017-18 BTF Wacky Predictions contest!

1. How many games will Joel Embiid play? Embiid is on pace to play 62 games. This is higher than 13/15 respondents picked. Crosseyed and Painless is closest at 65.
2. Who are the Eastern Conference All-Star Starting Guards? Irving and DeRozan, picked by tship, aberg, and Votto.
3. Will any of the top 25 contracts, not counting Chris Bosh, be traded? Not yet. Not too much smoke really. This was about 50/50.
4. Who will be the first coach fired? tship was the only one to pick Earl Watson. Nobody had Fizdale, so for the moment tship is the only one with any points.
5. Who will be the #1 pick in the 2018 NBA draft? Bad news for the 7 people who picked Michael Porter Jr.. Doncic and Bagley both remain legitimate candidates.
6. Who will lead the NBA in missed field goals? Westbrook was chosen by 11/15 recipients, and indeed is handily pacing the field with 538 (Bradley Beal is second with 459).
7. Who will have more wins: the Golden State Warriors or the 3 worst teams? About an even split, and it's close. Right now the Warriors have 37 and the 3 worst (Hawks, Magic, Kings) have 39 total.
8. How many games of 45+ minutes will Jimmy Butler have? So far, Butler has played just one, in an OT loss to Philly on my daughter's first birthday, 12/12. I set this 45 number too high and will take the blame. 10 of 15 respondents predicted 4 or less, so that's looking pretty good.
9. What will Lonzo Ball's FG% be? Guesses ranged from .371 to .440. So far Ball has underperformed even the lowest guess (from Crosseyed and Painless); he's sitting at .356.
10. How many technical fouls will DeMarcus Cousins have? Guesses ranged from 11 to 24. Cousins has 8 techs now, on pace for 15. Moses and Hombre both guessed 15.

I haven't accounted everything, but my guess is given that he's scooping the first coach fired category and has the EC starting guards in the bank, tshipman would be a favorite if there were Vegas odds for this thing. But questions 5 and 7 look like coinflips, and tship's guess of Embiid at 40 games looks pretty bad, so there is plenty of variance left.
   2686. tshipman Posted: January 19, 2018 at 12:04 AM (#5609315)
tship's guess of Embiid at 40 games looks pretty bad


Embiid had 30 games played at this point last season.

Just saying ...

Edit:
an OT loss to Philly on my daughter's first birthday, 12/12


Congrats! Missed this the first time.
   2687. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 19, 2018 at 06:15 AM (#5609337)
I dunno, I could see LeBron doing a MJ-Isiah-Dream-Team maneuver to get Kyrie picked last out of sheer pettiness.

Kyrie won't be picked last, since they have to draft the starters first. He could be the last starter picked, though wasn't there a thing where him and Curry were making fun of LeBron together?
   2688. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 19, 2018 at 08:00 AM (#5609339)
   2689. JJ1986 Posted: January 19, 2018 at 09:22 AM (#5609367)
Does each team have to end up with 2 guards and 3 forwards among the starters. If so, Steph should entertain picking Harden (or DeRozan) early.
   2690. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: January 19, 2018 at 09:34 AM (#5609374)
Re #2688: That's awesome. Here's the clip of the actual pass. One of the most disgusting passes you will ever see. LeBron is so easy to take for granted.

Pass

I'm really gonna miss him.
   2691. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 19, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5609387)
He does, however, occasionally get lost on D and make some wildly ridiculous mistakes. IOW, he's limited. But he can help people off the bench.
Absolutely - he's foul prone too.
   2692. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 19, 2018 at 10:13 AM (#5609394)
This is the truth... I was trying to get with this famous girl and she said " Come back when you're a All Star" bruhh
pic.twitter.com/CFBnRqnKMA

— Joel Embiid (@JoelEmbiid) August 17, 2014




   2693. JJ1986 Posted: January 19, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5609420)
Kemba Walker being made available in trade. I'd like to see him go to the Spurs, but that won't happen. What would be a fair offer from the Knicks? Frank and a draft pick + salary filler (McBuckets and Jack make the deal work).
   2694. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: January 19, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5609421)
Kemba would be so awesome on the Spurs. The Spurs don't really have any assets though.
   2695. tshipman Posted: January 19, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5609439)
Potential Kemba destinations:

1. New York Knicks--I dunno, they can put together a package the easiest, but does Kemba even make them a playoff team? Probably not this year, maybe next year. Also, why sell on Frank? I think he's going to be good.
2. Pacers--I like this trade. They have their own first, right? So it could be their first, plus Cory Joseph or Darren Collison (although Collison has been sneaky good).
3. Philadelphia--this would drastically improve this team. Would the Sixers ever say f-it and just offer Markelle Fultz straight up? Would the Bobcats accept?
4. Detroit--probably the best spot for Kemba. Van Gundy and Clifford are very similar coaches and Kemba's a straight upgrade over Reggie Jackson. Probably won't happen.
5. Spurs--Spurs never make deals like this, but it would make sense for all parties.
6. Nuggets--Nuggets are in the 9 spot and probably need to make the playoffs for their GM to keep his job. They have a bunch of interesting guys they could package, but I question the fit a bit because Jokic needs the ball so much.
7. Utah--Are the Jazz buyers? Probably not.
8. Dallas--not sure if the Mavs are buyers, but would allow a talent upgrade. Carlisle likes to play 2 pgs, so he and Dennis Smith Jr could fit.
   2696. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: January 19, 2018 at 11:34 AM (#5609444)
From the reports, it seems like the Horcats are dangling Kemba to package with an undesirable contract. That's obviously a #### ton of salary to move and they'd want expirings back, which would seem to limit the market. Utah has Favors and Johnson expiring which might be doable. Philly has Redick. I don't really see how this helps the Horcats unless they can dump some future salary, no reason for them to just trade Kemba for assets, so my guess is nothing happens.

   2697. JJ1986 Posted: January 19, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5609455)
Phoenix can take on a ton of money. I don't see them as a Kemba destination, but they could help facilitate a 3-way trade and maybe take on MKG or Marvin Williams (or even Dwight.) No one should take on Batum.
   2698. tshipman Posted: January 19, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5609459)
No one should take on Batum.


The contract is ugly. I dunno ... I might roll the dice on picking up Batum, particularly if the Hornets throw in sweeteners. Everything's there but the 3p shot. If he's hitting 38% on 3s, he's a good player, just overpaid.

He's a big wing who plays good defense. That's hard to find.
   2699. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: January 19, 2018 at 12:06 PM (#5609465)
The contract is ugly. I dunno ... I might roll the dice on picking up Batum, particularly if the Hornets throw in sweeteners. Everything's there but the 3p shot. If he's hitting 38% on 3s, he's a good player, just overpaid.

He's a big wing who plays good defense. That's hard to find.


Yeah, agree with all of this. I feel like Batum is a classic "this guy is better on a good team" player (like Boris Diaw, there's a rule we have to compare French players to each other I think). But 3/76 after this year... man. I actually even liked this signing a bit when it happened, you need these players on good teams, Batum was pretty good on a 48-34 team after they traded for him, and Charlotte isn't exactly a prime FA destination. Looks pretty terrible now though. Good thing I'm not an NBA GM.
   2700. jmurph Posted: January 19, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5609485)
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