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Wednesday, October 11, 2017

OT - NBA 2017-2018 Tip-off Thread

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, some of whom still care about baseball playoffs, but all of whom agree the Celtics gave up too much for Irving.

Here’s the thread’s top 50 players ranking.

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2017 at 11:21 AM | 1410 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   301. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 18, 2017 at 01:29 PM (#5557053)
When Bernie Lee, Butler’s agent and friend, went to turn on the TV at Butler’s place in California this summer, two months after Butler moved in, he found the remote’s batteries were missing. Butler legitimately doesn’t watch television, including basketball.


So... why does he own a TV?
   302. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 18, 2017 at 01:33 PM (#5557059)

So... why does he own a TV?


He makes a ton of money and so I am sure he had his house furnished and then didn't ever really use it. Or ... dunno?
   303. Paul d mobile Posted: October 18, 2017 at 01:37 PM (#5557064)
To play crash bandicoot
   304. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 18, 2017 at 02:24 PM (#5557094)
8 game suspension for Portis.

K.C. Johnson‏ @KCJHoop 1h1 hour ago

Bulls exec VP John Paxson: Both players owned responsibility. But only one player threw punch. It’s inexcusable.

K.C. Johnson @KCJHoop 1h1 hour ago

Pax: Portis isn’t a bad person. But he made a mistake.

K.C. Johnson‏ @KCJHoop 1h1 hour ago

Paxson: I wouldn’t call it a sucker punch at all. They were both aggressive leading up to it. But Bobby crossed a line.


Mirotic out 4-6 weeks. This seems quite light, and not sure I like how they're dealing with it/talking about it.
   305. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: October 18, 2017 at 02:25 PM (#5557095)
Made it to halftime before deciding "Yep, the Warriors got this" and going to sleep. Just now finding out they lost.
   306. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 18, 2017 at 02:37 PM (#5557104)
Cassidy Hubbarth‏ @CassidyHubbarth 6m6 minutes ago

“All I know is I’m not to blame for this one.”—Jimmy Butler on the Bobby Portis and Nikola Mirotic fight.
   307. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 18, 2017 at 02:40 PM (#5557108)
8 game suspension for Portis.
WHAT? If I did this to anyone, I'd be in ####### jail. How is this merely an 8 game suspension? HOW THE #### IS THIS POSSIBLE?
   308. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 18, 2017 at 02:58 PM (#5557114)
My first guess would be that everyone who was there agrees Mirotic provoked the fight/said/did something way over the line but the Bulls aren't about to talk about it.

If that's not the case then I dunno, Bobby Portis is a legit rotation guy but not good enough to give the middle finger to the rest of your team over by refusing to trade/release/megasuspend him. But Bulls' management is incompetent enough that anything's possible.
   309. RJ in TO Posted: October 18, 2017 at 03:15 PM (#5557122)
They can't suspend Portis for longer. It would wreck their playoff chances.
   310. madvillain Posted: October 18, 2017 at 03:29 PM (#5557130)
If that's not the case then I dunno, Bobby Portis is a legit rotation guy but not good enough to give the middle finger to the rest of your team over by refusing to trade/release/megasuspend him. But Bulls' management is incompetent enough that anything's possible.


Yea I don't know about that. He is one of the slowest laterally bigs in the league and couples that with a complete lack of defensive awareness. His only chance to become a solid rotation guy is uber efficient offense. Not sure he has it in him given his limitations on that side of the ball as well, namely that he's floorbound and not an elite shooter.
   311. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 18, 2017 at 04:52 PM (#5557228)
Portis is a legit rotation guy for the Chicago Bulls. Ad that caveat in there, and it's exactly true.

I still don't understand how this isn't assault.
   312. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 18, 2017 at 04:59 PM (#5557232)
I still don't understand how this isn't assault.


Sports seems to be a special case where you can beat on people and everyone shrugs. I am not saying it is right mind you.
   313. aberg Posted: October 18, 2017 at 05:00 PM (#5557236)

Pax: Portis isn’t a bad person. But he made a mistake


I think that was the same tagline as the TV slow Bloodline, which was only slightly less watchable than the Bulls.
   314. madvillain Posted: October 18, 2017 at 05:12 PM (#5557250)
Portis is a legit rotation guy for the Chicago Bulls. Ad that caveat in there, and it's exactly true.


Well there ya go. I mean, Jerian Grant is the starting PG. It's all relative.
   315. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: October 18, 2017 at 07:17 PM (#5557374)
Embiid really is so special.
   316. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: October 18, 2017 at 07:34 PM (#5557383)
I still don't understand how this isn't assault.


It is, of course, and if Mirotic chooses to press charges, I imagine Portis would have trouble avoiding a conviction.
   317. sardonic Posted: October 18, 2017 at 08:31 PM (#5557419)
Brad Stevens:
"But this is a setback; we're expecting a full recovery. And we know there are going to be a lot of tough days ahead on that recovery but, at the same time, hopefully he'll improve day to day. But it's been tough. It's been tough for him."


Might not mean too much without having done the surgery, but man really hope he can get better.
   318. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: October 18, 2017 at 08:32 PM (#5557423)
this game is really crisp and both teams are playing well.
   319. Fourth True Outcome Posted: October 18, 2017 at 08:34 PM (#5557424)
Might not mean too much without having done the surgery, but man really hope he can get better.


It's early and I've seen nothing concrete, but all the reports coming out of the Celtics camp seem to have the injury as being pretty clean. If there truly isn't much soft tissue damage, that would be tremendous.
   320. sardonic Posted: October 18, 2017 at 08:40 PM (#5557430)
Very little discussion of the Warriors/Rockets game, despite it looking like a dandy. Was everyone, like me, unwilling to stay up?


I'll bite. Early it felt like a blowout/passing exhibition. Had a bit of a feel of a concept game for the Warriors -- playing all 12 players on the active roster, getting Swaggy P going, feeding Jordan Bell, etc., which is probably not super interesting for non-Warriors fans to watch. By the time the game got close late it was well past 1am ET. Even then, in crunch time the Warriors were playing Curry, Durant, Klay, Livingston and McCaw because Draymond left the game with a tweaked knee and Iguodala was sitting with a DNP Old.
   321. TFTIO sings Medieval Agrarian History Posted: October 18, 2017 at 09:15 PM (#5557467)
I am watching -- and enjoying -- the Sixers. This is weird.
   322. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 18, 2017 at 09:18 PM (#5557470)
John Wall is still gets to the basket whenever he wants. If only he could get a jump shot.
   323. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: October 18, 2017 at 09:31 PM (#5557486)
Iguodala got a DNP old on the first game of the season?
   324. TFTIO sings Medieval Agrarian History Posted: October 18, 2017 at 09:38 PM (#5557505)
Hey! I don't want to watch the Spurs broadcast! What's up, nba.tv?
   325. Tin Angel Posted: October 18, 2017 at 09:47 PM (#5557526)
Iguodala got a DNP old on the first game of the season?


Strained back.
   326. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: October 18, 2017 at 09:49 PM (#5557530)
I am watching -- and enjoying -- the Sixers. This is weird.
that was a really fun game. brett brown made a very interesting adjustment during the preseason to have simmons run the offense from the wing, instead of the top of the key, and it's allowing him to get into the paint at will.

too many turnovers, too many fouls and the bench wasn't good enough, but they played like a team that can win 50 games tonight.
   327. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: October 18, 2017 at 09:56 PM (#5557540)
GINOBILI

This dude is gonna be playing at the age of 44, putting up sick TS% and RPM numbers, but will only be able to play like 11 minutes per game.
   328. TFTIO sings Medieval Agrarian History Posted: October 18, 2017 at 09:57 PM (#5557544)
I am pretty happy that Jimmy Butler is on my team.
   329. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: October 18, 2017 at 10:02 PM (#5557549)
that was a really fun game. brett brown made a very interesting adjustment during the preseason to have simmons run the offense from the wing, instead of the top of the key, and it's allowing him to get into the paint at will.

Yeah, he really was able to get into the paint at will. It helps that he really can't get bodied off of getting to his spot due to his size/speed combo. Fultz really did look bad, though. I mean, he wasn't this bad of a shooter in college, right? Did he just luckbox a decent 3pt% in one year?
   330. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: October 18, 2017 at 10:19 PM (#5557572)
Yeah, he really was able to get into the paint at will. It helps that he really can't get bodied off of getting to his spot due to his size/speed combo. Fultz really did look bad, though. I mean, he wasn't this bad of a shooter in college, right? Did he just luckbox a decent 3pt% in one year?

no, but yes.

fultz is dealing with some kind of shoulder issue, so his current shooting issues are new, but his shooting success at washington was not expected and was not in line with his high school, AAU, showcase performance.


on a side note, i'm not a fan of embiid's new darius miles look.
   331. Athletic Supporter wants to move your money around Posted: October 18, 2017 at 10:20 PM (#5557574)

Butler’s list of hobbies, which is nearly endless, mostly involves activities or games that can be competitive. He plays the piano


I am intrigued by this idea and would like to subscribe to Butler's YouTube channel.
   332. TFTIO sings Medieval Agrarian History Posted: October 18, 2017 at 10:21 PM (#5557577)
Kyle Anderson is one weird looking ############.
   333. maccoach57 Posted: October 18, 2017 at 10:55 PM (#5557645)
Not that this is profound, but the Hayward injury, in addition to just being terrible in general, also hits the league's competitive ecology in a negative way, in that it makes it that much more likely that the Finals will again be GS working CLE. I saw a few guys pick Washington to get out of the East, and I personally would like to see that.
   334. jmurph Posted: October 18, 2017 at 10:57 PM (#5557651)
League Pass Alert: the Denver play by play guy just called Plumlee the Plum Dog Millionaire.
   335. Mike A Posted: October 18, 2017 at 11:11 PM (#5557667)
Well, the Hawks have already won one more game than I expected this year, so that's a plus.

Seriously, they actually seem kind of fun to watch even if they won't win many. Collins looks like the real deal.

Still weird what a quick fall it was from the ECF a few years ago.
   336. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:45 AM (#5557935)
Pistons win! 76ers, Heat, and Hornets lose! Andre Drummond is 2-2 on free throws, but Stanley Johnson is 0-13 from the field.

My Bucks under 47.5 bet has taken a hit already. Hayward is obviously the much, much bigger story, but in the short-term Boston probably could've used Marcus Morris last night.
   337. jmurph Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:54 AM (#5557942)
Utah was fun and interesting and surprisingly good on offense last night. If everyone stays healthy they're going to make a lot us look bad not picking them for the playoffs.
   338. stanmvp48 Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:10 AM (#5557954)
Kyrie had a good shooting game last night
   339. jmurph Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:15 AM (#5557957)
Kyrie had a good shooting game last night

Yeah let's just say that two games into the Kyrie experience, I am still not a fan. He seems specifically, uniquely unsuited to the situation that he has been put in due to the Hayward injury.
   340. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:35 AM (#5557979)
I don't care that Golden State is ridiculously good and will be extremely difficult to beat, I'm so f'n excited there's regular season NBA every day.
   341. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:35 AM (#5557980)
Cody Westerlund‏ @CodyWesterlund 39m39 minutes ago

John Paxson references "building up equity" w/ ownership for future decisions in rebuild when explaining decision to sell Jordan Bell pick.


Huh?
   342. Rally Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:36 AM (#5557982)
WHAT? If I did this to anyone, I'd be in ####### jail. How is this merely an 8 game suspension? HOW THE #### IS THIS POSSIBLE?


Don't know the full story but just because Portis won the fight, that does not prove that he is the own most at fault.
   343. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:38 AM (#5557986)
too many turnovers, too many fouls and the bench wasn't good enough,

Those are all things that always true of young teams. Well, maybe not the bench part per se.
   344. jmurph Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:46 AM (#5557992)
Lin out for the season, ruptured patella.
   345. tshipman Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:56 AM (#5558006)
Lin out for the season, ruptured patella.


Man, that's tough. Obviously, in the big picture, he'll be fine, but back to back injuries like that probably mean the end of his career is approaching much sooner than he would like.

The play he got hurt on is heartbreaking to watch for his reaction. All these injuries to start the season!
   346. jmurph Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:21 AM (#5558033)
The play he got hurt on is heartbreaking to watch for his reaction.

Yeah I can't imagine how mentally crushing it is to have your season ended partway through opening night, it's just awful.
   347. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:54 AM (#5558067)
This year is certainly starting on a down note, but at least it will end with GSW lifting a trophy! The tension, the excitement.
   348. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: October 19, 2017 at 12:39 PM (#5558110)
Utah was fun and interesting and surprisingly good on offense last night. If everyone stays healthy they're going to make a lot us look bad not picking them for the playoffs.


I'm excited to see if they can maintain this new, aggressive style of defense. They were bad at forcing turnovers even last year, but they've added a bunch of players who should be able to do better, and will need all the easy transition buckets they can get for their offense.

It was great seeing both Favors and Burks look healthy and playing well. Udoh is a hell of a backup center too.
   349. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 12:47 PM (#5558119)
   350. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 01:09 PM (#5558139)
Michael Pina‏ @MichaelVPina

The pace in last night's Nets/Pacers game (116.5) was the highest the NBA has seen since April 16, 2008.
   351. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: October 19, 2017 at 02:02 PM (#5558164)
name that player:
June 28, 2005: Traded by the Utah Jazz (as a future 2005 1st round draft pick) with a 2005 1st round draft pick (Linas Kleiza was later selected) and a 2006 1st round draft pick (Joel Freeland was later selected) to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2005 1st round draft pick (Deron Williams was later selected).



link:
In 2011, Bismack Biyombo rolled the dice with 30 teams watching, working out by himself in Treviso, Italy, and though he bricked mid-range jumper after mid-range jumper, he was drafted with the seventh pick. “He went one-on-zero and lost that workout,” says Fraschilla.

   352. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 19, 2017 at 02:27 PM (#5558174)
Lin out for the season, ruptured patella.
I just found out, came to post that. Makes me want to vomit. Also, DRussell going off like that... I have a bad feeling about this season.
   353. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: October 19, 2017 at 03:12 PM (#5558208)
So, there’s a chance we’re all just falsely remembering the video of Yi Jianlan working out against a chair:

https://deadspin.com/the-totally-unexpected-true-story-of-yi-jianlians-magic-1818728951
   354. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 19, 2017 at 03:27 PM (#5558218)
So, there’s a chance we’re all just falsely remembering the video of Yi Jianlan working out against a chair:


Tremendous story, thanks.
   355. cmd600 Posted: October 19, 2017 at 03:41 PM (#5558230)
In 2011, Bismack Biyombo rolled the dice with 30 teams watching, working out by himself in Treviso, Italy, and though he bricked mid-range jumper after mid-range jumper, he was drafted with the seventh pick. “He went one-on-zero and lost that workout,” says Fraschilla.


If you went to a Biyambo workout to see him practice jump shots, you got what you deserve.

So, there’s a chance we’re all just falsely remembering the video of Yi Jianlan working out against a chair:


Its a Simmons story. Anyone who took it as face value got what they deserved too.
   356. jmurph Posted: October 19, 2017 at 03:50 PM (#5558247)
Honestly cmd if you read the story you'll personally enjoy the source of the rumor much more, I promise you.
   357. cmd600 Posted: October 19, 2017 at 04:21 PM (#5558284)
Honestly cmd if you read the story you'll personally enjoy the source of the rumor much more, I promise you.


I know I won't, because I remember it well enough. Ainge, Rivers or some Celtics higher-up said anyone could look good against a chair, in which he really meant one-on-zero as Franchilla mentioned in the quote. Simmons picked it up and as he usually does with some kind of reference, repeats it ad nauseum. Eventually, because heaven forbid anyone call out Simmons on his bullshit, it was picked up and accepted. Meanwhile, no one had ever seen the tape, but now everyone claims not only that it exists but they know someone who had seen it and it was just as hilarious as Simmons 80s movies references are in his articles today.
   358. jmurph Posted: October 19, 2017 at 04:28 PM (#5558298)
Well you seem like you're having a fun day!
   359. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: October 19, 2017 at 04:39 PM (#5558309)
I always understood it to be a metaphor. People thought there was an actual chair?
   360. smileyy Posted: October 19, 2017 at 04:59 PM (#5558321)
I could swear I saw the video and now I'm sure it was all in my imagination.
   361. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:15 PM (#5558429)
The Yi talk just gets me all bummed out again over Yao's body being unable to hold up.

Speaking of which, I just watched the replays of 76ers-Wizards and Celtics-Bucks. Impressions:

1) I'm more convinced than ever that Ben Simmons is going to be a superstar if he's healthy. He's hyper-athletic and incredibly tough to defend because, if your name is not Kawhi Leonard or Giannis Antetokounmpo, you're either too small or too slow to guard him, and he's too skilled a passer to double; double him and he *will* find the open man. If he improves his finishing around the rim I expect teams are going to just start hacking him every time he drives, so long as his shooting continues to suck.

2) I saw a big on the Sixers generally being really bad at basketball and thought, ah, that must be Okafor. But no, it was Amir Johnson. Is Okafor hurt, or is he SO bad he can't take minutes from Amir Johnson?

3) The Sixers really did a good job spreading the floor and finding open shots against a quality opponent, even while Embiid was sitting. J.J. Redick doesn't do anything but shoot threes, but man, it's easy to see the way it opens things up for an offense when you have a guy who can never be left open for a second.

4) Kyrie... doesn't look good. But it's early and the Celtics were thrown into total lineup chaos by Hayward's injury.

5) Jaylen Brown, however, looked terrific last night, an impact player on both ends. I'm not sure to what extent his offensive performance was aided by Giannis being in foul trouble all night and there not really being anyone else on the Bucks who can guard him. Giannis took two fouls in like the first four minutes and basically spent the rest of the game kind of roving around on defense and looking for lazy passes to pick off.

6) Perimeter defense is a problem for Milwaukee. Makes it all the stranger that Kyrie was invisible most of the night.

7) This just in: Dellavedova is still good for three flagrant cheap shots a game. Sparked a fight blatantly trying to knee-on-knee check somebody on defense, and then, immediately after, blatantly elbowing somebody else in the face setting a screen on offense. (I mean, think about that: Dellavedova is about 6'3", so it takes some effort for him to get an elbow into anybody's chin.) Not that Kelly Olynyk's erstwhile employer has much room to complain about that.
   362. jmurph Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:27 PM (#5558449)
5) Jaylen Brown, however, looked terrific last night, an impact player on both ends. I'm not sure to what extent his offensive performance was aided by Giannis being in foul trouble all night and there not really being anyone else on the Bucks who can guard him.

He has looked much improved through the first couple of games, no doubt. I think he's going to have to dramatically improve his handle, though, if he's ever going to be a primary option on offense. He has the athleticism and skills to shake defenders and get by people, but the dribble isn't there. But yeah, if he keeps steadily improving, I'm feeling good about his potential.
   363. jmurph Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:38 PM (#5558471)
4) Kyrie... doesn't look good. But it's early and the Celtics were thrown into total lineup chaos by Hayward's injury.

I think my anti-Kyrie bona fides are well-established, but yeah, to defend him for a minute, I don't think they were planning to put the ball in his hands nearly this much. They're running a lot of things through Horford, but they currently have the same problem they had last year: they basically only have one guy who can go one on one. The plan was clearly for Hayward to share that load with Kyrie.

I think I already said this above, but I don't think he's suited for this situation. He's going to try to force things, take on the entire scoring load, and he's frankly not good enough to do that. If he doesn't buy into whatever the coaching staff comes up with to get through this season, it could get ugly. But I think it's only fair to give him a pass on last night given they haven't had time to figure anything out yet.
   364. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:43 PM (#5558478)
Also, I know from watching a lot of Bucks games last year that Antetokounmpo gets in early foul trouble a LOT, which is troublesome for a superstar. He doesn't have Chill Mode, he plays physical and he doesn't like to concede layups until he's in foul trouble. He's especially prone to take two quick fouls early in the game on the road. He's been in the league long enough now that I'm sure opposing coaches know this and encourage their teams to go after him around the hoop and invite him to foul.
   365. jmurph Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:48 PM (#5558486)
If Giannis can improve his shot, my god, he's going to be terrifying. He pretty much already is.
   366. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:53 PM (#5558494)
He doesn't dunk on guys or over guys so much as he dunks through guys. And the zero-to-gone #### he does on defense... he's the human video game glitch.
   367. jmurph Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:55 PM (#5558496)
Nate Duncan‏ @NateDuncanNBA
Ron Baker getting the backups PG mins over Ntilikina. O'Quinn getting backup C mins over Hernangomez. Long-term thinking.
   368. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:59 PM (#5558505)
On the topic of Yi...what was the deal with Milwaukee trading him after his rookie year? His numbers look, well, nowhere close to "good," but vaguely acceptable for a 20-year-old rookie making a massive adjustment to a new country. Were they that stoked about acquiring Richard Jefferson?
   369. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:54 PM (#5558614)
They attached Yi to Bobby Simmons's terrible contract in order to get the Nets to take it, and in return they got Richard Jefferson's longer, more expensive contract. Larry Harris was pretty bad at his job so a lot of his moves don't hold up to scrutiny. He's now Assistant General Manager and Director of Player Personnel for Golden State, which is just unbelievable to me.
   370. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:08 PM (#5558629)
It's not the norm, but once in a while you come across a person introspective enough to learn from their mistakes.
   371. tshipman Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:08 PM (#5558679)
Larry Nance has really grown on me as a player.

Better player than his stats indicate, I think.
   372. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:13 PM (#5558687)
i'm still drooling over the lost potential of a ball/simmons combo. they would have torn teams apart without a single dribble.
   373. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:21 PM (#5558711)
why do the lakers have a 60 year old backup PG?
   374. smileyy Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:57 PM (#5558722)
How did Russell Westbrook end up being the efficient scorer?
   375. Chicago Joe Posted: October 20, 2017 at 12:48 AM (#5558738)
@moses and (maybe) shredder: nice little win tonight on the college front.
   376. Athletic Supporter wants to move your money around Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:48 AM (#5558749)
[349] is pretty incredible.
   377. Paul d mobile Posted: October 20, 2017 at 09:15 AM (#5558805)
I was at the Raptors-Bulls game last night. Nice game for the Raps, even though Lowry and DeRozan were playing like it was the playoffs. Casey would swap out the entire starting 5 for the second unit, but it seemed to work - the second unit destroyed the Bulls (OG and Miles were both around +25, while DeRozan was - 3).
   378. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:03 AM (#5558841)
i'm still drooling over the lost potential of a ball/simmons combo. they would have torn teams apart without a single dribble.


Ball needs to add about 20 lbs of muscle. Right now I'm not sure he could even tear an envelope apart.
   379. JC in DC Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:24 AM (#5558857)
What's great about 349 is that everything looks choreographed: they make virtually the same turn, the same initial step, and start running simultaneously.
   380. stanmvp48 Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:37 AM (#5558883)
76ers favored over Celtics tonight
   381. I am going to be Frank Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:10 AM (#5558923)
I totally forgot Yi was on the Nets.
   382. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:49 AM (#5558951)
@moses and (maybe) shredder: nice little win tonight on the college front.

I was in Cubs moping mode, what'd I miss?
   383. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:58 AM (#5558959)
Earth to The Undefeated:

Yeah, OK, you can take DeBusschere, Unseld, Schayes, and Cowens off the 1997 Top 50 list, but there's no way Ray Allen or Reggie Miller were better than Bill Walton. I'm not entirely sure how you get to Allen/Miller over Drexler (*) or Worthy.

(*) In fact, let's take the ambiguity out -- you don't.
   384. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 20, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5558994)
Emmanuel Mudiay is hopeless. He's so bad it's painful to watch. He is never going to be an NBA player and Denver, who already has a crowded backcourt to begin with, really needs to stop wasting minutes on him.

I have a theory that Joe Ingalls is extra effective because, what with being a balding unimpressive looking white guy, he looks so much like a random YMCA schlub that opposing NBA players are unable to take him seriously even after being repeatedly warned by their coaches "Joe Ingalls is really good, you have to take him seriously!"
   385. JJ1986 Posted: October 20, 2017 at 12:56 PM (#5559005)
Are League Pass replays always unwatchably jumpy? I'm watching a game that has skipped back 5 seconds about 200 times.
   386. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:10 PM (#5559022)
That was one of the several technical issues that made me decide two years ago to use a pirating service instead. I'm unsurprised to hear it's still a problem.

e: Sorry for 384, I knew it was spelled Ingles, honest. Apparently I don't respect him enough either!
   387. Randomly Fluctuating Defensive Metric Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:23 PM (#5559037)
Ron Baker getting the backups PG mins over Ntilikina. O'Quinn getting backup C mins over Hernangomez. Long-term thinking.


Frank has a minor injury and didn't log a ton of minutes in the preseason. He also seemed jittery in his first game. Perfectly understandable to manage him carefully last night. The awareness and fluidity Hernangomez displays as an offensive player haven't translated yet defensively. Its a long, long season and he will have his chances. I don't think its fair to judge the Knicks' long-term thinking based on their opening night rotation.
   388. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:27 PM (#5559039)
Yeah, OK, you can take DeBusschere, Unseld, Schayes, and Cowens off the 1997 Top 50 list, but there's no way Ray Allen or Reggie Miller were better than Bill Walton.
Miller's career was about 360% greater than Walton's was, minutes-wise. The volume of production in the over 34,000 more minutes Miller was able to contribute that Walton did not matters.
   389. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:33 PM (#5559045)
I'm assuming (praying?) his offensive game is going to grow, but I have Frank pegged as an all-defensive team player by about 2020-21. Great wingspan, great instincts on the screen/roll, great footwork -- he actually even showed it last night in his short time in the game.

A lot of his skillset is kind of subtle, but it's there. Room for optimism, although I don't expect a lot this year.
   390. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:59 PM (#5559069)
There's no excuse for not playing Willy. Everyone on the team is ####### terrible at defense. Why single out the guy who could actually have a future as a non-worthless player in the league? The Knicks can't stop finding new ways to be infuriating.
   391. Booey Posted: October 20, 2017 at 02:15 PM (#5559087)
Yeah, OK, you can take DeBusschere, Unseld, Schayes, and Cowens off the 1997 Top 50 list, but there's no way Ray Allen or Reggie Miller were better than Bill Walton.


Our all time top 50 lists a few years back did indeed place Allen and Miller well ahead of Walton (and rightly so, IMO). We've talked about Walton several times before; his peak was just a season and a half. It's never made any sense why he's basically always been ranked solely by best peak season while no one else in NBA (and probably sports) history is.

And actually, the original NBA top 50 list is an even bigger pet peeve of mine than Walton's typically nonsensical ranking. It was fine at the time, but it's been over 20 years now. It needs to be retired (or re-done). Plus it's not even a compliment to the upper level guys. When announcers are listing the accomplishments for top 10 inner circle guys like Jordan or Magic and they mention "Named one of the top 50 players in NBA history"...well, that's actually shortchanging them by quite a bit. Seems more insulting that complimentary.
   392. Booey Posted: October 20, 2017 at 02:23 PM (#5559093)
e: Sorry for 384, I knew it was spelled Ingles, honest. Apparently I don't respect him enough either!


Oh good; I was just about to correct you! ;-)

Now that I'm no longer obligated to correct people for misspelling Hayward's name, Ingles can be my new cause celebre.*



* Probably misused that term, but whatever. It sounds smart.
   393. . . . . . . . . . . Posted: October 20, 2017 at 02:28 PM (#5559098)
The problem is that nobody speaks Ingles.
   394. MHS Posted: October 20, 2017 at 04:09 PM (#5559187)
With my all new expectations for the Celtics here are some quick and dirty observations through two games.

I've never been a Kyrie guy, in fact I said at the time of the trade he wasn't as good a player as IT. Through two games, I've been wrong. He has been better than IT, but only because Thomas is laid up with a bum hip. He has been awful. His shot isn't falling, he is trying to force the ball into bad spaces, he hasn't been able to contribute defensively, which was expected and has been unable to get separation off ball like IT did.

I've always thought Kyrie was good, not great. If he doesn't materially improve he will be quickly shown as one of the most overrated players in the association.

Jaylen, has been ridiculously good. I mean not in an absolute sense, but relative to my and most peoples expectations. He is getting to the rim whenever he wants, and something that hasn't been mentioned anywhere that I have seen he has only taken 1 mid-range jumper. Instead getting to the rim and shooting 3's. If he can improve his above the break 3, or his team defense, or ability to man up on more physical guys and avoid taking whistles or finish at the rim a little better or improve his handle he is a star. If he can more than one of those he is a superstar. So many avenues to this guy being a beast... end stiggles mode.

Tatum, has been better than I thought. I mean he makes tons of mistakes and disappears for long stretches but his defense and rebounding is much better than I expected. Tons of hustle their too.

Rozier, has been really good. I suppose it's just a good draw against bad lineups but he has looked very good, pretty much better than Kyrie in every aspect of the game. I wonder how much of this improvement is real. He is so quick, and his confidence has improved so much in 18 months. He has been impressive. Probably the best player on the team thus far.

Smart, same old same old. Some brilliant stuff, and some infuriating stuff. I think he needs to be a pure backup PG. I want Kyrie, on ball because he is terrible off ball, which is sort of the same as Smart. Of course one is a dog on defense and one dogs it on defense. In other words, I don't really want Kyrie and Smart on the floor at the same time, which is a bit of a weird take I think since you intuitively you'd want to pair a good offensive guy with a good defensive guy... unfortunately I don't think it works.

Ojeleye, I think is going to maybe be a 10 minute a game guy this year. I think pretty clearly he is their best defender on the wing besides Smart which is remarkable for a second round rookie. He has the pedigree to be a good shooter too.

Nadar, I'd like to see Nadar get some minutes with Morris out. He probably won't be able to handle the role, but they need more creation on the wing with G out, and he is the only guy who can maybe pickup some of that role until Morris is back. I'm not super high on him, but give him a shot. He did play a decent chunk versus Milwaukee and didn't look great.

Larkin, he is terrible - no more.

Theis, has been solid - I hope he is establishing himself as the third big in the rotation.

Smart is going to be out tonight, and Stevens like a 10 man rotation during the season with G, Morris and Smart all down looks like we will see a lot of the deep bench. I'd guess we get a lot of two big lineups which I don't love versus the 6'ers.

Rozier, Kyrie, Brown, Tatum, Horford
Baynes, Semi, Nadar, Larkin, Theis

I'd be tempted to start Baynes, and push Tatum and Brown down the the 3 and 2 and use Rozier as the 6th man. I don't think Brad will do that though.






   395. madvillain Posted: October 20, 2017 at 04:42 PM (#5559219)
Ron Baker getting the backups PG mins over Ntilikina. O'Quinn getting backup C mins over Hernangomez. Long-term thinking.


Hornacek is awful. Markkanen looked pretty good last night. It looks like he won't have a problem scoring efficiently, which puts to bed most of my qualms with the pick. His upside is limited elsewhere so he better get buckets. Looks like he will.
   396. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: October 20, 2017 at 05:10 PM (#5559234)
two things i don't like about the sixers schedule:
1: 10 of the first 14 games are on the road, including 7 against the western conference
2: the NBA's unbalanced schedule means they only play ATL, CHI, IND and ORL 3 times this season.

those things don't matter if the sixers can win 45+ games, but it could be an issue if they get off to a slow start and end up closer to the playoff bubble.
   397. MHS Posted: October 20, 2017 at 05:42 PM (#5559246)
I'd be tempted to start Baynes, and push Tatum and Brown down the the 3 and 2 and use Rozier as the 6th man. I don't think Brad will do that though.


I was wrong. Brad is going to start Baynes. I like it.
   398. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 20, 2017 at 06:29 PM (#5559255)
Frank Ntilikina suffers painful ankle injury at Knicks practice
Knicks practice took a turn for the worst on Friday, when rookie guard Frank Ntilikina went down with an apparent ankle injury.

During a competitive game of 4-on-4, Ntilikina hobbled off the floor before going to the ground, clutching his left ankle. He was clearly in a lot of pain and stayed down for several minutes.
No word on severity yet. Looks like those 8 minutes he got the other day are going to be all he gets for at least one or two more games.
   399. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 20, 2017 at 07:02 PM (#5559260)
Also, this feels really hilarious and stupid at the same time to write out, but I feel like Lakers@Suns is a big deal for the Lakers. They're playing the consensus Worst Team In The League, and that first game was pretty much a dud. There's no jacked-up Patrick Beverley trying to steal Lonzo's lunch money tonight, so hopefully we'll see a bit better a performance from him.

I'm very down on the Lakers coming into this season. Seeing Russell get traded was deflating, but I can see some logic to that, but the Lakers gave up very real backcourt talent and built themselves to protect Brandon Ingram... and Ingram hasn't found a jump shot STILL, and I'm starting to think he's just not going to. His form was terrible, and if he's going to shoot 40% again and less than 30% from the arc, then he's an epic disaster, and all the Lakers can hope is that someone will trade for his upside and the Lakers can sign Lebron.
   400. tshipman Posted: October 20, 2017 at 07:14 PM (#5559265)
I'd be tempted to start Baynes, and push Tatum and Brown down the the 3 and 2 and use Rozier as the 6th man. I don't think Brad will do that though.


I like Baynes a lot with the starters, but I wonder if it's just because of Embiid.

Al Horford cannot really guard Embiid.
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