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anyone think the Knicks are going to match Landry Fields? While the talk has been no, their questions are really just
1) is he better than a league minimum player
2) is Dolan willing to pay the insane tax for a player who is above minimum but not close to worth his contract, much less his contract plus penalties?
Fields' contract doesn't limit the Knicks' flexibility; they don't have any. And saying no doesn't let them grab anybody else. And Dolan, whatever his faults, has never to my knowledge said no to a deal because of cost. So I kind of assume they'll match even the contract is obviously absurd.
A lot of teams should call Darko, yeah.
So... why was the Brand bid so low?
See, that's what I want to believe too. I'm afraid that watching it again will ruin the wonderful memories I have of that show, so I've resisted the urge to re-visit it. Doing that as an adult has already shattered my awesome youth memories of He-Man, Thundercats, GI Joe, Transformers, and TMNT. I refuse to let it happen to B&B, too.
I suppose you could argue that the one year deal is a bad thing, in that Scola or Haywood could be flipped in a year, but Brand can't be dealt during his post-amnesty days, but ... that seems insufficient.
Cj Watson to BRK, 2 yr at min, yr 2 a p-opt
Doesn't that signing pay for itself in merch? Like even with the luxury tax?
Heh.
Irving's hand is in a cast
You're linsane. He had 20 good games, with no track record of ever doing it before. And those 20 games weren't even that great. I would hate for my team to blow 25m on that.
gadzuric and jeffries to por
(per isola, ny daily news)
not sure how that would work
So a name/number t-shirt is $30, and a jersey is $200.
Let's say you sell 10 t-shirts for every jersey. Lin's offer is 24 million over three years. The Knicks have to sell a half a million t-shirts and jerseys to pay for the signing in merch.
Is that so unreasonable?
Yes. For one, their profit margin is not 100% of sales.
DK: Those are fair points, but the question is are those things worth more than 2.1M to the Bobcats? I agree that they need some NBA pros around to mentor, etc. but either way, they are likely going about 20-62 next year.
Also, the 50K one-on-one game with Kobe Bryant will have to wait:
-- The Minnesota/Portland nuclear standoff -- why is Minnesota offering so much when Portland's not going to match anyway, and why are the Blazers holding out for more?
-- How can it make sense for Jeremy Lin to not play in New York given the amazing narrative and surplus of Asians and so on? The Ray Felton move isn't terrible in isolation, but ... wow, it's just so weird in context.
-- How is Orlando not taking the Houston mega-offer for Dwight? I think this is a terrible move by the Rockets, by the way -- the team they are putting together (reportedly) does not produce a team that's better than Howard's Orlando team this year (let alone previous iterations). Also, why sign Asik to this ambitious offer sheet if you're going after Howard to supersede him?
-- Toronto's crazy random Landry Fields gambit. Even at the time, this seemed ridiculous... Nash was realistically going to pick where he went via a S&T anyway so who cares about cap shenanigans?
-- Jeff Green's contract which it's very hard to imagine is within a factor of 2 of his actual value.
The Joe Johnson trade may be the most reasonable thing that's happened in the past couple weeks. Lots of head-scratchers.
If they let Lin walk, I'm out too. Let's try to count the number of young and exciting players the Knicks have had in the last 30 years. There was Patrick Ewing. And Mark Jackson. And then there was . . . John Starks? David Lee? Danilo Gallinari? When the Knicks had Top 10 draft picks they took Michael Sweetney, Channing Frye and Jordan Hill. Or they traded the opportunity to pick Amare for the rotting corpse of Antonio McDyess. Or they traded 2 Top 10 picks for Eddy Curry. They have continually picked stiff over athletic. Safe over exciting. Old over young. And now, an actual young, exciting player who became a global sensation falls into the Knicks lap and they're going to let him go over $10 mil or so? After they have spent the past 15 years giving billions of dollars to Allan Houston, Glen Rice, Steve Francis, Eddie Curry and Stephon Marbury? After they let Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas run the team into the ground for 10 years?
I really can't express how angry this makes me. The only thing I can analogize it to is the Scott Kazmir trade. Knicks fans get 1 player who they go crazy for and they're going to let him walk so they can sign Ray Felton? You have to be ####### kidding me.
my anti-knicks fever picked up when they fired someone (lenny wilkens?) because he wouldn't kiss up to the dolans, and when they hired isiah thomas, i was in all my glory. i loved his rotisserie league style trades, and thought things were awesome!
then they hired donnie walsh, and i was uncomfortable. and unfortunately walsh did a ton of really good things for the knicks. i found it hard to root against the players he assembled. then this year happened, and lin (who i've been following since his summer league exploits against wall) was signed, crashed and burned his first game, then lit up the world for a few weeks, and finally showed solid promise with good production when the league started to double team him. the team was easy to root for, and i have to admit, i was rooting for the knicks to win if lin was closing the game happened. even though dolan officially screwed over donnie walsh.
then the injury. that's my biggest concern, and i'm so glad he did NOT try to rush back for a futile series against the heat.
so lin's gone. they still have some players who work well in a team game at the present (melo CAN work well in a team game if he wants to but that's an if, chandler, novak, shumpert), but jr smith? kidd and felton aren't very good, amare plays the matador D and isn't a good fit with anthony out there. camby and thomas won't be big contributors unless stoudamire /chandler gets hurt.
it makes it much easier to root against them again...and they're locked in with a partly aging team without a bunch of their future draft picks. so what if they get 40-45 wins this year? it's good times again!
edit: btw, part of my rooting for lin is because he plays the game very smart. he's an excellent off-ball defender, he's not good at man-on ball defending for faster point guards but is acceptable if he has a decent defensive player behind him (stoudamire = awful, but with jeffries or chandler back there, his defense wasn't as big a hole), knows who and when to pass it, and plays within himself most of the time.
Apparently not (they didn't get him), but I think that they should be.
And - this may be heterodoxical - their possible 20-62 record is an argument for having him, imo. There's little to no benefit in being 15-67 v. 20-62 (unless you want to argue that being mega bad increases your chances of lotto picks for a sustained number of years and that that's good). There is a benefit in being 20-62 versus say, 30-52 - if you're one of the worst two or three teams, you're going to get a really good pick, if you're not, you might not. Plus, Brand's not really blocking anybody there.
Oh well - minor point about a minor team.
There's talk that this is a Paul Allen v. the Portland org thing - and that he feels personally slighted by the T-Wolves org.
As for HOU/Lin - the Knicks could never make him a big offer, only match one + Houston has a strong history of marketing to China (in Yao's heyday, didn't even the scrubs on the team have shoe deals there?)
I'm agnostic as to whether Lin goes or not - but I wouldn't be surprised if he does.
It's not official yet: "President of basketball operations Danny Ainge would not reveal why Green and Terry have not put their names on the dotted line, but it looks like the move is being made to give the Celtics breathing room to pursue another free agent."
With Terry, this makes sense: Boston is trying to work out a sign & trade with Dallas so they can use the MLE on someone like Courtney Lee. But I have no idea what the hold-up with Green's contract would be. I hope it has something to do with not actually giving him $9m a year, but who knows.
DHO to Lakers, Bynum to Cavs, Prospects/picks to ORL
A Cleveland package might actually trump any Rockets deal, especially if the Lakers or Cavs will take on at least one of ORL's bad contracts. The Cavs not only have their 2013 pick, but they own MIA's 2013 lottery protected #1, SAC's 2013 top 13 protected #1 and MIA's 2015 #1. That doesn't even count Dion Walters, Tristan Thompson and Tyler Zeller as trade assets. Cleveland's biggest fear has to be losing Kyrie at some point in the future so giving him Bynum, who apparently is willing to sign a long term with Cleveland, could be a great set up for their future.
Uh...
I hope he leaves. F those guys, trashing him on his way out.
I doubt Lin is going to be anything more than an average starting PG, yea it's a useful piece, but it's not the piece the Knicks need to win a title. Of course, neither is Ray Felton. Jimmy Dolan is in charge, that's good for at least one head scratcher every other month or so.
Woj.
Is that really true? I thought part of the story with Lin was that he was actually bringing in more people into the stands.
The people making comments like this just don't get it. Anyone with any semblance of a brain know that due to the contracts given to Melo and Amar'e it is not possible for the Knicks to win a title barring a lot of deaths of important members of several teams. We know that. We also know what Ray Felton is. Ray Felton is a middling PG. Correction, Ray Felton WAS a middling PG before he started looking like THIS. So, if you are a capped out team with (literally) 1 or 2 draft picks over the next 4-5 years (no, seriously, check that for a good laugh) and you won't be able to sign anyone any way it makes ABSOLUTELY NO ####### SENSE TO CHOOSE A PG ROTATION OF RAYMOND ####### FELTON AND JASON "JUST GOT A DWI THIS ####### MORNING" KIDD OVER THE POSSIBILITY OF JEREMY LIN!!! Jeremy Lin might suck, he might be awesome, or he may just be Ray Felton. The point is, you don't know and if you don't know you have to take the chance in this situation. As for the economic argument...after all the money spent on Jerome James, Eddy Curry, Allan Houston, Larry Brown, Isiah Thomas' sex scandal, etc...for the Knicks to choose now to tighten the belt...give me a ####### break.
Also, being on a young team as a guy people want to have around rather than being the guy THE KOBE LAKERS STILL have because they didn't get Dwight Howard might appeal to him. He has already been in two parades and has been asked Howard questions for literally two years now.
If Lin actually walks, I'll be seriously bummed out. But so long as it works out, I think it'd be foolhardy to leave. So, uh, why leave now?
Amen.
The one thing I would add is that the Knicks organization is the only consistently bad organization that goes out of it's way to crush hope. Draft Picks? We don't need them. Young players? We prefer proven mediocrities. I mean, they really think 45 wins and a #6 seed is a big ####### accomplishment. Lin may suck. I understand that. But if he's actually as good as he looked like he could be, it's a pretty big deal. And the fans love Lin. The entire ####### world loves Lin. And we're going to let him go because we can get Raymond ####### Felton to replace him? This isn't Chirs Paul, or even Steve Nash. It's another player who will never be as good as he used to be and who will never be close to being good enough. It's ####### appalling.
No, not particularly.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8168386/carmelo-anthony-says-ridiculous-jeremy-lin-deal-new-york-knicks
Beasley: Has been better at the four, looks like Pho wants to use him as a three. I've argued here that he's a three but think I was mistaken.
I can't unsee this.
Moke Hamilton on a point I was trying to make upthread:
I thought they just amnestyed Childress to get Scola?
Man, I just looked at Childress's numbers. Bad, bad season. I knew about the 0 FTM in 491 minutes. Did not know that opposing small forwards posted a eFG% of 66.5% (!) against him (his synergy defensive rank was 445th on d).
Good to have Screamin' A. back after that brief moment where Skip Bayless made him look like the most reasonable person in the room.
Is there any team that will pay Mayo $8M/year? If so, why?
There may be courthouse intrigue going on here. Linsanity occurred under the now-fired coach, and when neither Melo nor Amar'e was around. Who's Lin's ally gonna be? Steve Novak? Melo, for his part, played much better when Lin was out. Amar'e played well with Felton at PG, and whaddaya know, now Felton's back. I certainly don't think Melo, Amar'e and/or Woodson went to Dolan and said "get rid of Lin" and/or "get us Felton." But if you ask your stars and/or coach whether you should give a guy a contract that could easily pay him over $50 million in a single season and their response is "meh", that would likely affect your decision...
I know that its easy to crap on the rest of the Knicks, but Lin's contract is pretty insane based upon what we know. He's a guy who would have basically been cut 3x in 2 years, plays a couple dozen good to great games of basketball, gets injured, refuses to come back from injury when his team is in the playoffs, and now he's going to get paid near max money in 3 years. Add to that, and these are rumors, that he was insulted by the Knicks not making him a huge offer Lin's received a ton of goodwill because of his story and he's well within his right to leave, but I can kind of understand why this move isn't going over well with some people.
But that is the only way that the Rockets could sign him away from the Knicks.
and
refuses to come back from injury when his team is in the playoffs
:: Sigh ::
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8168735/ian-oconnor-new-york-knicks-match-houston-rockets-offer-jeremy-lin
Just to refresh, here's the Heat's margin of victory over that series: +33, +10, +17, -2, +12.
So ... this is pretty shitty, right? I mean, some of those guys are sorta interesting individually, but none of them are really first options on offense. Also, it's a pretty poor defensive line-up.
Interesting pieces, but they're capped out and they might win less than 40 games. Not a fan of the Suns' offseason. If they were going to make these moves, why not try to hold on to Nash?
I also don't get what Houston's purpose is in this deal. Is it still to angle for Howard?
I don't get the outrage. The Dolan era is characterized by overpaying for "name" talent: guys who looked better than they are, guys Isiah or Layden or whoever else became enamored with and giving away youth, picks, and money for. Isn't one read of this that Grunwald (no mentino of him in any of this?) concluded that Lin is too costly (given salary and taxes) and not quite good enough? That they would be better off with a cheaper PG situation? That maybe, just maybe, this will be the beginning of a different era of Knicks bball that doesn't overpay for name? I keep hearing everyone talk about how marketable he'll be. I don't care. I want to win. The Knicks are marketable as winners. Lin won't be Linsanity in Houston. Maybe Lin would help them win more this year. Maybe even probably. But that's a lot of money to tie up on him.
Wow. That's uncanny. They're slightly worse than the Pacers at every position, I think. That's quite hard to do.
So they should just keep overpaying players?
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