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This is a strange argument. They should just keep the approach they've used so unsuccessfully since Isiah was running the team? Overpay the talent. This didn't work for them before. Why would I think it will work now?
I don't know how good Grunwald will be, but I'm trying to get a read on his approach. On the face of it, in my judgment, Lin doesn't merit this contract and the costs to the team. If this is a sign that Grunwald is trying to find better value, super. I grant that it may be a sign of nothing other than some Dolan grudge or whatever else. But I don't think not being willing to overpay for Lin is some disastrous moment for this team. I'm tired of watching the team get saddled with overpriced players.
1101 - I'm thinking this might be about grudge, above all. IF true,that's a very bad sign. But - who knows?
Phoenix's FO had to start the rebuild somewhere, and I don't believe it's a bad start.
But with the cap, the Knicks' RFAs are worth more to them than they are to other teams because the Knicks can only replace them with minimum players. And this will be true for all three years. So between now and then, are you better off with Lin on your team or with a minimum player? I say Lin.
Given that you won't have any salary flexibility until the big deals expire, and Lin's contract won't affect that flexibility either now or later, then what is the cost? The cost is solely the owners' money and the owner or GM's ego.
If you truly think that the Knicks would be better without Lin, then of course. But Lin's contract will not prevent them from making a single deal in the next 3 years. If you would sign Lin for 3 years, $20 million, then why no re-sign him for this deal? An abstract sense of his value is irrelevant under the circumstances.
So I don't think the analogy to the I Thomas years holds at all; IT was throwing huge money at free agents and that money directly affected the Knicks' future flexibility. This money doesn't.
Also think that passing on Lin is foolish for the Knicks on a basketball level - going with Felton/Chandler/Melo/Amare pretty much seals the Knicks as a 45 win and 7/8 seed, fringe playoff contender for the next few years. But I guess that's a step up from the Isiah era.
Because Mike Woodson has no idea how to add Lin to his offense. Which is basically Iso-Melo?
I really don't know about this. Here Knicks fans are victims of their own inability to punish the team by manifesting as empty seats. The Knicks sell out whether they win 60 games with Jeremy Lin or win 30 games with Johnny Flynn. The ones who benefit from sudden demand for Knicks tickets due to Linsanity are scalpers. And all the revenue from jerseys and whatnot gets split evenly between the teams, except for those actually sold at Madison Square Garden, if I mistake not. The Knicks aren't affected that much monetarily by the star power of their players. This should be a basketball decision.
Lin on the Knicks was a bonanza for the NBA. Because he was playing well and they were winning. But it's quite possible neither will continue to happen. He might play well or he might not. The team might play well or it might not.
If he doesn't play well, it's not a bonanza anymore. Even if he does play well and the team plays poorly, it's probably less of a bonanza that it was. Heck, it's almost certainly less of a bonanza no matter what, since a certain amount of that excitement stemmed from the novelty and unlikeliness of it all.
If Lin continues to succeed, he'll continue to be a very popular player, but that's not a sure thing. And unless he does even better and/or the team surpasses expectations, "Linsanity" is probably not coming back, not with the kind of crazy force it had before.
Why does everyone always talk as if this is irrelevant? It's very strange to me. If Lin had been offered the max would the same argument apply? Hell, by this argument, the Knicks should have matched a max offer to say Landry Fields because whatever, it's not preventing the team from getting better and actually helping it (you could trade an expiring for some other better, more highly paid, longer-contract player).
We castigate (and rightfully so) the Yankees for putting together a soulless mercenary team by spending tons of money to buy everyone and then we castigate the Knicks for not doing the same?
- he's soft, didn't come back for the playoffs, won't do well in a tough city like nyc.
- he tricked the knicks by telling the rockets that nyk would match any offer.
- lin's time doesn't count (because he was here with d'antoni) but felton's last year doesn't count, only his time with the knicks - and it was 'better' than lin's.
- if lin is leaving, it's because dolan knows he will make more $ without him. (don't they remember dolan's track record of keeping loyal foot soldiers like isiah?)
it's probably got the rudest and most obnoxious posters of anyone on there and reads like the worst aspects of talk radio; i saw several posts which were reasonable analysis of why they should/shouldn't keep him and were greeted with a slew of GTFO.
i've got to remember NOT to go to the individual team boards.
In case you don't know, KnickerBlogger, the ESPN True Hoop affiliate, often has pretty good discussions. There is some venting and some metastuff sometimes, as with any board, but overall it is usually worth checking out. There is often a lot of cynicism, but if you are rooting for James Dolan's team, that is quite understandable. I have not looked in on it to see what they are saying about the Lin brouhaha.
I think the Knicks without Lin will be more than a 45 win fringe playoff contender. Th, ey had a pythag win% that works out to about 51 wins last year. That does include time with Lin, but Melo was hurt, Amare was hurt, Jr Smith didn't play the first month of the season, Novak barely played the first month or so of the season, they changed coaches, etc. I think 50 or so wins seems like a decent enough projection for the Knicks. And that's cool, it's been a long time since they won that many games, but after all the money they have wasted in the past, it's a little frustrating for them now to decide to play it "smart".
thanks for that lead. i can deal with the normal fanboy cheering and whining, but it was kind of nutty there.
just checked it out. so that's where hollinger is! can't believe i hadn't heard of it before, but i may have dismissed it out of hand because it's espn. i did that with grantland as well...
oh, chris broussard has sources telling him a broken clock is right twice a day.
1116: yup, exactly. lin might be great, might not. i thought the kidd acquisition was good for the knicks, as a backup in case lin collapsed or got injured. same with the 35 year old from somewhere else, a nice contingency plan.
for the rockets - i think the howard deal would make great sense for them. dwight would get tons of action on offense with pick-n-roll and garbage cleanups and i think morey can get the missing parts there (3 point shooter, athletic forward with good defense) that would complement lin and howard.
Exactly. This is what it comes down to.
EDIT: As for the current temperature on Knickerblogger, some are for, some are against, but here's a post from the second most positive poster on the site, a guy who has supported pretty much every move regardless of the arguments everyone else wanted to make against them:
"The worst part for me is that these ####### ######## make me somehow feel like I’m the ####### loser here. Because I’m completely crushed by this ####. I haven’t been this depressed since an ACTUAL tragedy happened, and for what? For a basketball team that doesn’t give a #### about me? I spent 27 years worshipping this ####### team that won absolutely NOTHING. I loved this team more than every other team that I like combined. And for what? There is no hope. I’ve gotten upset when people like THCJ would point out the facts about this team because I didn’t want some ####### crushing my dreams. Now I can actually see that it wasn’t him doing it. It’s always been them, and it’s never going to stop. I don’t know how to root for another team, but I just don’t think I can root for this one anymore."
Marc Berman on twitter
Is there some other Ray Felton I don't know about? Someone mentioned on Knickerblogger that he had a career true shooting% below 50, and I thought that couldn't have been right. But it is.
If it does come down to this, then I'm on the other side. I don't think the Knicks have ANY chance to win the title (or "seriously contend") with Lin or Felton. They are just not nearly as good as Miami.
Had you heard of Hollinger but not seen his work or did you follow him back in his alleyoop.com days? Just curious...
Frankly I don't think even that's enough to contend but, yes.
The reality is that's probably the most likely scenario.
But one of the Prospectus guys (can't remember which) said he had the Knicks second in his projections for the East next year. (I assume this was with Lin, but I don't know for sure). It wasn't like the Knicks were clearly #2, but that's still pretty good. And you never know, maybe Wade gets old and Lebron has a playoff series where he is merely great instead of superhuman...
I need to stop tryign to talk myself into this
But one of the Prospectus guys (can't remember which) said he had the Knicks second in his projections for the East next year. (I assume this was with Lin, but I don't know for sure). It wasn't like the Knicks were clearly #2, but that's still pretty good.
It was Doolittle.
Way too optimistic, IMHO. I don't think they're better than Boston, even without Allen, and assuming Rose is back fully, no way they're better than Chicago.
Chicago with a fully healthy Rose is obviously better, but that's not going to be the case for most of next year and the projections were about the standings, not the quality of the team at the end of the season.
It would have been annoying to see Dolan and the Knicks benefit from Lin anyway, since incompetence and greed should not be rewarded the way it did last year.
I really don't know about this. Here Knicks fans are victims of their own inability to punish the team by manifesting as empty seats. The Knicks sell out whether they win 60 games with Jeremy Lin or win 30 games with Johnny Flynn. The ones who benefit from sudden demand for Knicks tickets due to Linsanity are scalpers. And all the revenue from jerseys and whatnot gets split evenly between the teams, except for those actually sold at Madison Square Garden, if I mistake not. The Knicks aren't affected that much monetarily by the star power of their players. This should be a basketball decision.
If he doesn't play well, it's not a bonanza anymore. Even if he does play well and the team plays poorly, it's probably less of a bonanza that it was. Heck, it's almost certainly less of a bonanza no matter what, since a certain amount of that excitement stemmed from the novelty and unlikeliness of it all.
Possibly, but I think you're completely underestimating both the potential of the Asian-American marketing potential - which is somewhat untapped - and Asian marketing potential - which is enormous.
And to Crispix, this isn't about ticket sales and jersey sales. It's about branding and exposure. The Knicks will continue to be profitable - pretty much any NBA team in a large market will be. It's about the ability to generate a "Kobe" or "Jordan" like brand. The Linsanity phenomenon has that potential, which very few players in the NBA have.
But mostly irrelevant, if I understand the way the NBA does these things. If 1 billion people in China log on to NBA.com and buy a Lin Rockets jersey, the Knicks will see just as much money (1/30 of total) as they would from 1 billion Knicks Lin Jerseys.
I'm pretty skeptical that the Knicks can seriously contend with the core they have right now, with or without Lin. Their fate was mostly sealed when they made a ton of cap room available, lost out on Lebron, and gave it to Stoudamire. The only way this team could contend right now is to convince the Magic that Amare + Chandler is a good return for Howard + Hedo or Richardson. If they want a serious contender then they have to do a serious rebuilding, not just sign the first overrated scorer who takes their max money as soon as they free it up.
Isiah's real problem was not that he kept taking on more money, but that he kept taking on more years. Almost every major deal he did extended the time period when the Knicks would be in cap hell. The Knicks were already in a straight-jacket when Isiah got there. Unlike Walsh, who figured out that the only thing the Knicks could do to win was get out of the straight-jacket, Isiah thought he could win in the straight-jacket, and didn't seem to ever care about getting out.
At this point, every major deal the Knicks have runs 3 more years. The Lin deal runs 3 years. The Knicks may be spending a lot of money at the moment, but in 3 years, they will be in the clear. This is one of the things that frustrate me about the criticism that the Knicks just throw money at the problem. Well, sort of, that ship sailed the minute the Knicks committed to Stat, Melo and Chandler. Now, the only significant way the Knicks can get better is to throw money at the problem. In this case, throwing money at the problem isn't a vice, it's a virtue.
Ok. So what? Are the Knicks supposed to operate differently if they have no chance at winning the title, rather than a slim one? Should they just sign minimum salary players and wait it out for three years?
Yeah. And I'm guessing they wouldn;'t be able to negotiate their own TV deal with China either, or anything like that. I'm sure they could raise ticket prices though.
MSG stock is up 25% since Linsanity started. I wonder how much stock (terrible pun intended) you can put in that as something Lin contributed to. It closed at $29.32 on 2/3, before Lin took off, and went up $4 in less than 3 weeks. Lin must've had at least something to do with that. Whether or not that is sustainable is a different story.
But to me, the fact that they can use the stretch provision on Lin makes this whole thing a no brainer.
The should trade
Joe Johnson'sAmare Stoudamire's contract to Brooklyn.I agree with AROM: we need major changes to be a serious contender. I want, like all Knicks fans here, I think, to be a serious contender. That's not happening next year, with or without Lin.
I don't think there is any way the team is being run more poorly than in the past. The Isiah era Knicks were probably the worst run team in the history of the league? (Or at least recent history).
Marketing <> jerseys only. There's advertisements in the stadium, local television contracts (and in the case of MSG, I assume the Knicks own a piece of that so higher ratings equals higher ad revenue), and partnerships with local or in the case of Asia, non-local businesses. Stuff that smart business people - and no matter what we think of the Knicks basketball decisions, they are an extremely successful business - can and will take advantage of.
I'm in the camp of people saying the Knicks should match. Wasn't it BPro that did an article showing that people who had as good of a stretch as Lin had were usually not flukes? Even if he's not a max player, he's worth this non-max deal for all of the reasons listed above.
for those not in the nyc area, msg was playing their usual hardball with time warner cable. MSG was off of time warner, and they wanted a lot more money in their new contract. time warner wasn't giving in, and it looked like it would be a long holdout.
then linsanity happened. TWC started getting lots of complaints about not being able to watch the new sensation (lin). people were going to bars, friends' houses in other towns, streaming over the internet, etc. to get the knicks games. i had friends asking me about him since i had seen the games (including his disastrous celtics game)
time warner caved. and it mainly due to lin.
btw, anyone know if it's true that the knicks told lin to be quiet and not talk about how serious his injury was until playoff ticket sales were locked up? i heard that rumor a while back, never asked my usual contacts if it was true.
edit: i think time warner had a long, like year long, blackout of buffalo sabres games in that area? i don't remember the details.
Faced with the choice of 1) losing Lin now, 2) giving him an insane balloon payment in three years, or 3) keeping him for two years and THEN losing him. I'm not at all sure that #3 isn't the worst of all of them. Who's that gonna make happy?
EDIT: What Conor says about option 3.
If he's not that good and you don't want to take the huge luxury tax hit then you do that. If he's good, then you obviously keep him.
When you have the opportunity to sign an out of shape, overweight PG who was never better than "solid" to begin with and was incredibly bad last year before he challenged the hometown fans of his last team to fight him in his apartment complex to a 3 year deal after trading away your 2nd round draft pick for this year and a future 2nd rounder as well as paying some of Jared Jeffries' outgoing salary...well, you jump at that.
I don't think the Knicks are title contenders with or without Lin, though, so that makes me a bit in the mushy middle with this. Is there value to the Knicks in winning 50 games for the first time in forever?
Go back in time and amnesty Stoudemire instead.
Yes, and not just because there's a new gunslinger in town.
Have we talked about how old the Knicks are getting? It was only a few years ago when they were the 7th youngest team in the league (by one measure), but now...
I think there is, both to me as a fan, and to Dolan. I said before their only real chance to win a title is if Lin is something close to what he showed this year, and I understand that is very unlikely to happen, but as fans, you at least want to have hope, you know? The Knicks had been so awful for so long that I forgot how awesome it was to go to important Knicks games at the Garden. I've been to a bunch over the last year or so, and it's awesome. I went to one right in the middle of the Linsanity period; they killed the Kings and it was one of the more fun sporting events I have ever been to. Lin threw a bunch of alley oops in the first quarter and it was just the coolest thing ever. Deep down I know Miami is better, and i know that assuming Rose comes back and is healthy, Chicago will be better as well, but there is something to them at least being in the conversation.
Also, if I could be convinced passing on Lin is somehow going help the Knicks in the future that would be one thing. It would make it easier to swallow, but I don't see how that is the case.
True. But, if Rose isn't healthy this year and Wade and/or Bosh gets hurt, the East opens up.
Yeah, this. In an alternate universe, the Knicks don't amnesty Billups, miss out on Chandler and then sign Dwight Howard and Chris Paul/Deron Williams this offseason. That would clearly have been better.
Could Lin and Kidd play together? Kidd has the size to defend at SG, would Lin be any good in the type of role Barea or Terry played in Dallas?
And as I pointed out a million times, impossible unless both took significant pay cuts.
I think the idea would've been to then amnesty Amare. It would've worked then, right? The only big salary guy they would've had was Melo; so they probably could've done it with slight pay cuts? I don't feel like totally working out all the math, but Melo is making $19 million this year. I'm not sure where the starting salaries for those guys would've been this off-season, but they probably could've gotten somewhere close.
Or I'm totally wrong
So if they get very lucky with injuries, they have what, the 3rd or 4th best chance of making the Finals of the teams in the East?
Totally, right? I took my celtics-obsessed fiance to that game, her first game at MSG, after going to tons of big Celts game over the last few years when she lived in Boston. The whole time in Boston, I kept telling her, "they're right about the new building killing the atmosphere at Celtics games, because this is nothing like MSG, and this is the [Finals/ECF, etc...]"
And her position always was, you're a homer, the "new garden" is loud, etc etc.
Then she went to that Kings game and about 5 minutes in, she turns to me and says, and I quote, "this is ####### crazy."
Jeremy Lin did that for Knicks fans . . . against the shitty, good-for-nothing Kings.
There's no basketball reason to get rid of Lin, and he was the one fun thing about the Knicks in 10 goddamned years. If they let him walk, I'm done.
Yeah, this was my thought. In that scenario, I think they would have had to take less than max, but not much less than max. I'm also too lazy (and, all appearances to the contrary, busy) to do the math.
I'm sure I'm overrating them, since I'm a Knicks fan and probably a homer, but I think with Lin they would have about the third or fourth best chance of making the finals out of the east straight up. Miami is clearly better, and Chicago, with a healthy Rose is as well. But I see them as being right there with the other teams; so I guess Boston and Indy, right? (if Dwight ends up with the Nets at some point that will of course change it. Hawks will probably take a step back without Johnson. Am I forgetting anyone else?)
They will be a very old team, but they should have some decent depth, assuming Lin is back with them. And the downside is just Dolan spends some more of the money he hasn't really earned. This is the same guy who paid Larry Brown $40 million to NOT coach his team. So it doesn't bother me all that much.
No, they would have still needed to accept pay cuts. Howard is making $19.5 this year, Paul $17.8 (Williams too, I think) and Melo $20.5. The salary cap for next year is $58.004, which is just $200k more than those 3. Due to cap holds (nearly a million each for 9 roster spots), between the 2 of the new guys, they'd have to cut over $7mil off their salary in the first year*. And the rest of the roster would be only minimum guys (the various exceptions come into play depending on the order of signings, etc).
The reasons it worked for Miami and were never going to work anywhere else is because it was 3 guys at the same time (with 1 resigning) and the pay cut (minor, taken by Wade) cancelled out by the lack of state income tax.
*And considering the raises each year are max percentages, the total contract would be even lower. I'm too lazy to do that math, but it's easily over 8 figures for the life of the deal.
Jeremy Lin did that for Knicks fans . . . against the shitty, good-for-nothing Kings.
That's not going to happen at any game this season, though.
That's why I said virtually impossible. That's a lot to hope for, with very few assets. And if nothing else, amnestying Amare may have an impact on other stars wanting to play there. Outside of him and Melo, it's not like guys are lining to play for the Knicks.
In this case, since both Howard and Paul/Williams would need the S&T to get their max deal, the old teams actually have some leverage, which has never really been the case before with a FA signing (I guess Nash to the Lakers this year is one, and that was still 2 first round picks).
The playoffs have more randomness to them than people seem to think, too. Dallas won 2 years ago. Halfway into the Miami/Indiana series, people were seriously saying that Indiana was too balanced for Miami. Indiana was up in that series 3-2. There's no shame in building a team how Indiana did. I think improving is usually the right method of approach, and blowing up the team usually isn't. Though I don't think the Knicks can blow up their team anyways, so I agree with those arguing to match.
For the Knicks, what's Stoudemire's health look like? If he reverted to playing like he did when he started with the Knicks this is a team that could be dangerous.
If you don't want to read, he says to keep Lin.
The playoffs have more randomness to them than people seem to think, too. Dallas won 2 years ago. Halfway into the Miami/Indiana series, people were seriously saying that Indiana was too balanced for Miami. Indiana was up in that series 3-2. There's no shame in building a team how Indiana did. I think improving is usually the right method of approach, and blowing up the team usually isn't. Though I don't think the Knicks can blow up their team anyways, so I agree with those arguing to match.
Boston was up 3-2, not Indiana. and people get too caught up in what happens from game to game in playoff series, especially from the 2nd round onward. Every game gets magnified into a microcosm of why team X that just won is better than team Y who just lost. Then team Y wins the next game and the media narrative often completely changes. Never mind that the Heat won games 4-6 by an average of 17 points.
That Dallas team started the season 24-5 with everyone healthy and finished 31-11 to win 57 games, tying them for second in the West. They were 55-18 (a 62 win pace) when Dirk played. Just because we didn't take them as seriously as a contender as we should have doesn't mean they were "random". Using them as an example of how a team like the Knicks might luck into the Finals doesn't make a lot of sense to me. There's a big difference between a team like Dallas in 2011 and a team like the Knicks who are well below the top two in the East and likely a step behind at least two other teams as well.
I suppose stranger things have happened, but...
Well, 2-1, but your point stands. Indiana was and is good. The other nice thing about building around a larger core is that losing one guy has a smaller effect.
I think the NJ/JC in DC discussion on how well the team is being run is going to be much more interesting in like 6 hours when it's announced that of course they're bringing Lin back, it was always their plan to match the offer sheet and have 3 point guards on the roster.
You can never have too many PGs!
JC is David Kahn, apparently.
That's cuz they've been terrible for a decade and everyone knows they have some of the worst management in the league. To get players the caliber of Melo and Amar'e without even being good enough to entice them with the possibility of winning a ring has to speak something about their desireability. If they were an actual contender, I don't think they'd have too much trouble finding players that wanted to play for them.
If a decade plus of poor performance and bad management has dropped them to "only" the 5th or 6th most desireable location in the league rather than number 1 or 2, well, they should consider themselves lucky.
By my count, we're back up to 5! Rubio, Ridnour, Barea, Shved, Malcolm Lee. At least the last 3 are sort of combo guards.
I don't know. I've been watching the NBA for over 20 years and only two champs seem even somewhat "random" to me: the 2006 Heat and the 2011 Mavs (both got swept in the first round the following season). The 2004 Pistons felt kinda random at the time but obviously proved they weren't in subsequent seasons.
So yeah, I wouldn't count on another "random" champion happening anytime soon. And even the two mentioned above were both clearly better than the current Knicks.
I don't see them as an old team. Chandler and Amare will be 30, Carmelo 28, Smith 27, Lin 24, and Shumpert 22. Camby and Kidd are ancient, but they are just backups. The team would not look much different if either of them got hurt and wasn't able to play.
It will be interesting to see which team in the NY area is better this year. I'd predict NYK-BRO to battle for the 5-6 seeds. Miami is a clear #1 going in, with Chicago, Boston, and Indiana rounding out the first round HFA teams.
Sixers moves seem more latteral than any clear improvement or decline. They should still be in the playoffs. Last spot really depends on where Dwight ends up. If the Magic can't find a trade for him and decide to go for it they could conceivable be the #2 team. Or a trade for draft picks could knock them out of the playoffs entirely.
Atlanta seems like they are on the way down, but might hold on to #8. If they can get Dwight, that changes big time. Milwaukee will be in the hunt if neither of these teams is a contender. I like the direction of the Wizards, but they are still probably a year away from the playoffs.
I was thinking back on how big a deal Pat Riley's repeat proclamation was in 1987. Nobody had done it since Bill Russell retired. Then after the Lakers, nothing but repeats and threepeats* for more than a decade. Lakers-Pistons-Bulls-Rockets-Bulls. Then came San Antonio, the bane of repeats. They couldn't stop Kobe-Shaq, but otherwise single-handedly prevented any repeat champion by not only not defending any of their 4 crowns, they stopped the Pistons from a repeat in 2005.
*Mr Riley, my check is in the mail.
Great fantasy team name.
Or 6' and under league team.
The point is that Knicks fans shouldn't pretend that they missed out on some sort of realistic scenario that would have gotten them their own big 3. It wasn't going to happen for many reasons.
Yeah, the NBA loves their dynasties. But we've still seen a Lakers 3-peat and a Lakers repeat since the Spurs broke the trend in '99. And of course the Heat have a good shot at starting the trend back up next season.
MLB's last repeat was the Yankees from '98-'00. Before that it was the Blue Jays in '92-'93. It never happened in the '80's, though it was pretty common in the '70's (A's, Reds, Yanks).
I don't really follow the other sports much, but I assume the NFL's last repeat was the Pats, right? I have no idea about the NHL.
Not sure I'd refer to any of the guys Isiaah brought in as "talent."
i thought brand and lou were really good glue guys, and unless jrue holiday and/or evan turner take a great leap forward, i don't see the sixers breaking .500, and i'd probably put the over/under for them at 34 games.
player fga fg% 3pa 3p% fta ft% ptsWilliams 16.7 .407 4.9 .362 6.2 .812 20.5
Young___ 14.1 .507 0.1 .250 3.0 .771 16.6
Holiday_ 13.7 .432 2.8 .380 2.0 .783 14.4
Hawes___ 12.5 .489 0.5 .250 2.2 .727 13.9
Brand___ 12.1 .494 0.0 .000 2.4 .733 13.7
Turner__ 12.4 .446 1.0 .224 2.3 .676 12.8
Iguodala 10.3 .454 3.1 .394 3.2 .617 12.6
Vucevic_ 12.9 .450 0.4 .375 1.5 .529 12.5
Meeks___ 10.2 .409 5.8 .365 1.9 .906 12.2
Young would have to be #2, right? Or is your argument that he's too matchup dependent...
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While I'm also not big on Nick Young, I can see why this team thought they needed a scorer - 'cause they do.
The Kings have built an impressive lineage of shoot-first PGs from White Chocolate, through Bobby Jackson, Mike Bibby, Reke, Thomas, and now Brooks.
I thought Evans was going to play the two this year.
Are you implying skepticism about The Jimmer's chances of becoming the next big NBA star?! ;-)
I think McRoberts may be able to cotribute something this year; IMO Nash will help him.
Knicks add Chris Copeland
Don't the Knicks have to pay the salary tax on Kidd and Felton just as much as any possible Lin contract?
Kidd is a veteran who will provide leadership and mentoring to the Knicks' younger players. As for Felton, the Knicks are in win-now mode and they need a starting PG with playoff experience as opposed to someone untested like Lin.
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