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Playoffs: OKC, SA, LAL, LAC, MEM
Lottery: SAC, POR, NO
The piece is about all the other teams.
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/07/27/nba-western-conference/?sct=nba_t12_a0
Hmm. I'm not so certain that POR is a lottery team. They won a projected 35 games last year, and they traded (in effect) Gerald Wallace for JJ Hickson, resulting in mostly a wash.
They lose Marcus Camby, but he wasn't really that big of a deal for them. In theory, they get a fuller season from LMA, and they have the potential for a serious upgrade at PG from Lillard (since Felton was so brutal).
Pryzbilla is back (?) and will hopefully be healthy. I think PDX is closer to the playoffs than the Warriors, Rockets or Suns.
AK was good too, very explosive. Shved created most of his shots, but he finished well. He's obviously more of a known commodity. Still, good to see that he's not washed up. The wolves need his defense, and he'll fit on the break.
I don't think Wallace to Hickson is a wash, though I agree with you otherwise that Portland could surprise.
As could New Orleans, right?
I agree that the Warriors, Rockets, and Suns appear unlikely to fight for playoff spots (though I would love to see Curry and Bogut healthy and playing well together, which would certainly give GSW a chance if it happened).
http://t.co/s9mT06rS
Link is to photo that Stein took with his camera phone.
The Argentina/France game will be the first time Ginobili has ever played against Parker.
I bet Sasquatch, the invisible man and Superman would also be a good starters on the 2012-2013 Warriors. Cheap jokes aside, the 'Dubs have been a poor team defensively for a long time. I'm skeptical that Bogut can change that by himself. I think the Warriors are always a disappointing team, because a lot of those guys will have good fantasy stats, but it just won't come together.
I phrased that poorly. Hickson played better than Wallace did after the trade for PDX. I think that going forward, Hickson will likely give less value than Wallace in 2012-2013, but the two players were roughly equal at the end of the year. I don't think it's a huge difference though.
Who is the worst team in the West?
It was NOH last year. Probably Sacramento? Depending on how you feel about Cousins? GSW if they all get hurt? Houston if Lin gets exposed? NOH again because they kinda suck?
I think New Orleans, Sacramento, Houston, and Phoenix all could. I'm just not a believer in Phoenix. New Orleans is depending on two rookies and a guy who hasn't proven he can be good for more than a half season.
Nate Robinson to chi?
Willie green to lac as part of an s/t for the rights to sofo. (doesn't sound credible)
[both from deeks' twitter]
Golden State to re-sign Brandon Rush as well as sign Carl Landry.
Actually, I think the Warriors problem has always been that they seem to end up with TOO many players that play like Vince Carter (all offense-no defense, not giving their best effort every night, milking injuries, etc).
CJ Miles is "leaning towards" signing with the Lakers.
Also rumor that Orlando is trying again and has "ramped up" efforts to trade Howard, as he told Hennigan that if they don't trade him, he will leave and sign with Dallas. Reports also that Dallas is now talking to ORL about a trade.
Ps I think Spain upsets the us
HA! He's your problem now! :p
Sorry, never liked CJ. Of course, the Lakers already have a pretty decent shooting guard, so Miles won't be getting enough minutes to really hurt the team like he did with the Jazz. Corbin seems to have inherited Sloan's obsession with veterans, and it drove me nuts last year that he kept playing the likes of CJ, Bell, and Josh Howard over Favors, Hayward, and Burks. Those first 3 getting injured and removing Corbin's temptation to play them was just as key to the Jazz's late season playoff push as anything the other players actually did on the court, IMO.
Bogut is really good and the Warriors have a couple of underrated players, but they are all injury prone. I think their odds of pushing for the playoffs are about the same as the odds that Bogut and Curry stay healthy (not good).
Bogut has missed a lot of time with injuries, but none of them is especially likely to recur; they're just not the chronic type of injury that, say, Curry's ankle seems to be. I think it's fair to call him very very unlucky with injuries, but I'm not at all sure it's fair to call him injury prone. Another traumatic injury next season and I might change my tune, though.
I think that is a very reasonable belief. I tend to think that there are two types of "injury prone" people- those who have recurring injuries like Curry's ankle (Steph Re-Curry ankle injury?), and those whose bodies break down easily. You could be in both categories, but it seems to me that there is a subset of guys in the second category alone who always seem like they should be healthier.
I don't have data to support that theory, so I won't go to the mat for it, but I also wouldn't put money on Bogut staying healthy without really good odds.
At min, they get some guaranteed money - if the younger smith gets any service time, that's a very valuable thing.
I checked the numbers and saw that Bryant, prior to today, had played a total of 21 minutes, going 4/11, and Anthony had played a total of 29 minutes, going 9/16. Bryant and Anthony were 6/8 and 13/16 respectively, against Nigeria. Durant, meanwhile, lead the team in both minutes and shots, but was only 10/23 in the first two games.
Apparently the starters did not immediately blow Tunisia out of the gym, so maybe that is what they were sort of talking about, but the whole thing was, well, Abbott and Hollinger being Abbott and Hollinger. Durant did apparently start against Nigeria.
I think that coaching matters a lot for defense, and I'm skeptical of Mark Jackson's ability to coach good defense.
In general, good coaches seem to have good defensive teams, even with poor defensive players. Good coaches with great defenders have great defenses.
So, uh, now that Shaq is retired and has more free time, when is he gonna do what we've all been waiting for for 15 years...make the sequels to Steel and Kazaam?
With a 40 year old sophmore? Hey, it'll be like Beverly Hills 90210 all over again...
I think Thunderstruck has that covered.
Did Kobe ever have surgery on his?
How many NBA teams can?
Sad. Drowned trying to save his wife.
He succeeded in the saving his wife part. Very brave.
The Tool Man?
Buzz Lightyear?
That also happened
Not the first nut punch of these Olympics.
KG, Chris Paul...
Who did Paul sack slam? I don't remember that one.
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Alrighty then...
Based on the post rate recently though, maybe I am not alone on this.
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If anything will get this thread going again before training camp, it's another Dwight Howard rumor!
Orlando loses the most in this deal, IMO. (And I really like Gasol)
Seems like there is more to that deal. I assume the idea would be to flip Gasol. I wouldn't be surprised if the Wolves offered Williams + Pekovic for Gasol, which would give them some higher upside young players (though Pekovic is a FA after this year, so he won't be cheap). There are probably similar or better deals out there for Gasol because teams are putting a high premium on star-level talent.
Well on second thought, LA is giving up way too much (or not getting enough in return), and Orlando isn't getting enough salary relief. So perhaps it's right after all (based on the premise that I don't know anything).
They'd be getting one of the three most valuable players in the league and getting salary relief. How is that not enough?
What salary relief? They're inheriting the Harrington contract.
Bynum + Gasol = $35.5m
Howard + Harrington = $26m
2014+
Bynum likely signs 5 year max, Gasol due over $19m for 13-14.
Harrington due $7m per year for 14&15;, supposedly only half guaranteed, Howard likely signs 5 year max.
Howard/Harrington save nearly $10m in year one, somewhere around $10m over rest of deals, all before tax is considered.
But to the larger point about the deal, there has been no comparable rumor in which the team receiving Howard was giving up nearly as much as both Bynum and Gasol.
I see what you're getting at, but relieving them of salary obligations is relief whether they are getting value for that payment or not. If your doctor says I need to lose weight because it's bad for my knees, he's not going to say that I'm allowed to only lose fat and no muscle because the muscle has benefits outside of the pressure it puts on my knees.
Absolutely. I agree that it is half-baked. Some (including Hollinger) have noted that it seems more like a gentle nudge to Houston to come up with a better offer.
The problem is their bench. I'm not sure it would make a good D-League team: Nolan Smith, Eliot Williams, Victor Claver, Jared Jeffries, Meyers Leonard. Aldridge is going to have to play about 44 minutes a night and never get hurt.
And in the Lakers case, they're going to be super-mega-ultimate tax payers, so $10mil is more like $40mil in a couple of years.
They'll find another center. Aldridge doesn't like playing center, and no one in management seems intent on making him. They also have Will Barton signed (guaranteed deal for the 2nd rounder) and Luke Babbitt. Who's like Novak, and he has a huge fan club here (not that it should matter).
The team loves Nolan Smith, and so the general populace is high on him. I've never seen anything from him, in the NBA or at Duke, that would lead me to believe he's a viable rotation player on a good team. I can't believe he was drafted in the 1st round and one pick ahead of Kenneth Faried to boot. I think Williams, Babbitt, and Barton should be getting that time, but I know they'll waste some time on Smith.
That's fair. I'm torn, looking forward to the Lakers guys weighing in on this one. I think I'd lean towards keeping the team intact for this year if it means giving up both Bynum and Gasol, unless the final deal also involved a decent role player or two and some draft picks.
Next, name the country that has produced the most (outside of the US) - 17.
i don't believe it. i could see how it works for philly and denver, but i can't imagine the lakers only getting howard and harrington for bynum and gasol, and orlando getting gasol and afflalo really makes no sense for them, either in the short or the long term.
I'd do it in a minute.
Same. I tend to think that if you can get a top 3 player in his prime without even having to give up your own best player, you do it. Kobe/Howard/Nash is a helluva big 3. I think that team would be a serious contender, even if the rest of their roster blows.
Alaska? I know Boozer lived there, but he was born on a military base in Germany.
Russia?
They aren't giving up Bynum?
How dare you forget Trajan Langdon?
My guess is Maine.
Next, name the country that has produced the most (outside of the US) - 17.
Croatia?
I'm pretty sure there weren't 17 from Lithuania.
Think he's better than Kobe? Maybe in a couple of years...
Also wrong on the state, but barely. A whopping one NBA player was born in Alaska (#1785 - It's Mario Chalmers, not Trajan Langdon)
19 players from my state, which is more than I would've guessed; probably cuz all but 2 of them were scrubs (Tom Chambers, Byron Scott)
I think he was better than Kobe this past season and given their ages he's likely to repeat it next year. Kobe is still very good, but I think his fame and reputation overshadowed what a great season Bynum had and few places Kobe slipped. Kobe gets most of his value from scoring and had a career low in TS% this year and many of his other number were down from the previous year as well and he's going to 34 next season. Also if they don't make a move for Howard, I think Kobe's volume scoring will be less valuable on a team that has more efficient scorers in Bynum, Gasol and Nash.
Can anyone beat Cousy with a player that shares their birthday?
The best player born on my birthday is Larry Brown, HOF coach.
Damn, I went against my first guess on the country and it turned out to be the correct one...
Can't say I would have ever guessed that one right.
As for birthdays, it turns out July 29th is pretty marginal for NBA players. It looks like Scott Wedman is the best it can muster.
Bostjan Nachbar and an ABA player named Collis Jones look like they had the best careers.
It's a pretty dry well.
My MLB birthday team may be one of the worst ever, but Greg Anthony, Bob Dandridge and Sasha Pavlovic are all NBA players I've heard of, at least.
We can't expect the top 50 to be represented across all 365 (or 366) birthdays?
My birthday guys are Connie Hawkins and Kevin Pritchard. Solid.
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