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OKC-LAC-SAS
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Out of those 8 teams, I could be talked into anyone of them emerging from the West. Of course, OKC is still the favorite, but...man it should be a hell of a May.
I get the argument, but if any franchise should have a deep reservoir of goodwill built up due to sustained success, it's the Lakers. Surely their fans know the owners aren't just going to pocket the profit.
Kentucky has the most players, but Texas with 12 would win a 7 game series this year.
I think Georgetown just has Hibbert, Jeff Green, Greg Monroe, Hollis Thompson, Henry Sims, and Otto Porter right now. Dajuan Summers has had stints, but I'm not sure if he's on a roster now.
Only 9 Texas guys have played so far this season, by the way (so far, no Gibson, Pittman, or Damion James). Mind you, a Durant/Alridge core is a nice start.
If PHX just wants to do Pau for Okafor so the Lakers save some money...well, the Lakers are 3-18 over the last 21 games, even with Pau, so I am not sure I would do that. I would also certainly understand if PHX does not want to give up any picks for a rental.
UCLA can throw out a pretty strong team with Westbrook, Darren Collison, Afflalo, Kevin Love and mbah-amoute. You could do worse for a starting 5.
My ironic hope is that the Lakers somehow manage to make Phoenix take back the boondoggle of a contract around Steve Nash, and he instantly returns to form.
I still think it's a great deal for them. Helps them get to the playoffs, which I buy as a legitimate goal for them, even if it's a first round exit. They must be hemorrhaging fans out there over the past few years. And they get the first crack at re-signing a still very good Pau.
How good is he? He has not looked very good when I have seen him. His WS/48 has declined precipitously for the last 3 years and he has career lows in TS and EFG%. Do people think that is a function of the poor team around him?
PG: Jerryd Bayless
SG: Andre Iguodala
SF: Chase Budinger
PF: Channing Frye
C: Jordan Hill
Bench: Jason Terry, Richard Jefferson, Derrick Williams, and Solomon Hill. No rim protection and Iguodala is the only good distributor.
UCLA is pretty deep, they also have Matt Barnes, Ariza, Jrue, Farmar. They have a lot of good guards and wings. Pretty weak up front though, Ryan Hollins is their best big after Love. They are also an interesting group because of their 12 players half are on the Clippers or Wolves.
Duke:
Kyrie Irving
JJ Reddick
Luol Deng
Carlos Boozer
Miles Plumlee
Bench: Dunleavy, Henderson, Brand, Battier, Singler
Kentucky:
Rajon Rondo
John Wall
Terrence Jones
Anthony Davis
Boogie Cousins
Bench: Bledsoe, Patterson, Meeks, Knight, MKG
UCONN:
Kemba Walker
Ray Allen
Rudy Gay
Emeka Okafor
Andre Drummond
Bench: Butler, Gordon, Villanueva, Thabeet
Wake Forest:
Chris Paul
Jeff Teague
James Johnson
Al Farouq Aminu
Tim Duncan
Bench: Josh Howard, Ish Smith
Ohio St:
Mike Conley
Daquan Cook
Evan Turner
Jared Sullinger
Kosta Koufos
Bench: Mullens, Oden
UNC:
Ty Lawson
Danny Green
Harrison Barnes
Tyler Hansbrough
John Henson
Bench: Felton, Marshall, Davis, Jamison, Carter
Kansas has 16 guys, none of whom is clearly better than a good bench player. Weird mix for them.
JR Smith
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Jermaine O'Neal
Andrew Bynum
BENCH: ?
I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch of people
He remains a skilled offensive player and a decent low-post stationary defender. He is a liability on Team D, though. The Pau/Odom synergy was a key facet of the 2008-11 Lakers--Odom covered Pau's weaknesses perfectly.
I have seen PHX 8-10 times; I think that Pau would help them playing 25-28 MPG.
Somewhat. Historically, Pau has been more efficient when he has had Kobe out there with him to occupy the D. Some of it is just being old as well of course. Since PHX has a lot of guys who can shoot from the arc and athletic guards, Pau would look better with them than he does now.
Dwight is the big one. He'd absolutely start at C.
I think I'd go with this lineup:
Monta Ellis
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Josh Smith
Dwight Howard
Bench: Al Jefferson, JR Smith, Amir Johnson, Tyson Chandler, Martell Webster, Shaun Livingston
That's a poor shooting starting lineup. Ellis, Smith, and Howard are all notably awful shooters. Lebron has become great, but even Kobe isn't really a floor stretcher.
Western Europe
Tony Parker
Marco Bellineli
Nic Batum
Dirk Nowitzki
Marc Gasol
Bench: Pau, Gallo, Bargnani, Rubio, Pietrus, Sefolosha
Eastern Europe
Goran Dragic
Alexei Shved
Andre Kirilenko
Marcin Gortat
Nikola Pekovic
Bench: Teletovic, Montiejunas, Mozgov, Udrih, Asik, Ilyasova
South America
Greivis Vasquez
Manu Ginobili
Carlos Delfino
Nene
Thiago Splitter
Bench: Varejao, Barbosa, Scola
Many of the African and Oceanian guys went to US college (Adams, Bogut, Mills, Aminu, Dieng). Ibaka deserves mention.
C: Aldridge
PF: Thompson
SF: Durant
G: Avery Bradley
G: Corey Joseph
isaiah thomas
nate robinson
terrence ross
jon brockman
spencer hawes
marquette:
dwayne wade
wes matthews
jimmy butler
jae crowder
steve novak
By PER, the best starting 5 is bound to be Kentucky (I get about 114 for Davis, Cousins, Wall, Bledsoe, Jones).
Noah was a point guard until his sudden growth spurt his junior year of high school. Let Jo play the 1.
I'd still say Texas.
I'd take Durant over Paul and Aldridge over Duncan.
Kentucky is tough though. If these gains from Cousins and Davis are real, then I suppose they'd be the favorite.
They would have no interior defense, but they could at least rebound, all of Westbrook, Barnes, Ariza, Holiday and Mbah a Moute are good rebounders for their positions and Love is one of the best. Having rebounders at positions would actually make Hollins less bad as well, he's actually decent defending the basket, but he's a bad rebounder and limited on offense.
It's not a group of death really because 4 teams make it through, so it just means for the 4 good teams wipe the floor with Egypt and Iran, in addition the USA is on the other side of the bracket so those 4 teams avoid the USA until the final.
I've never understood why the league doesn't do more out of the box, off-season activities. Say this was a single weekend in the summer. Make it an 8 team tournament, 24 minute games, all held on Saturday except for championship, which is the full 48 and held on Sunday. Each player is paid $10k per game, except for the final, which is $5M aggregate for the winning team, winner take all. Participating players are insured and NBA teams get an amnesty if a player gets injured.
Make it $30 PPV. Who doesn't ####### buy that package?
Vasquez went to (and starred at) Maryland
Elias Harris
Austin Daye
Ronny Turiaf
Kelly Olynyk
Bob Sacre
It's surprising how few schools can put together teams like this. There are a handful of others than can cobble together a starting 5 of active players (Memphis, Syracuse, Louisville), but they all have gaping holes.
Gasol has pretty much everything working against him.
1. Old (not extremely, but lots of mileage)
2. Lots of injuries
3. His game doesn't really match what D'Antoni wants to do
It's been a great run, I wish him well if he's traded.
That's right. My mistake. He was fun to watch there, too. They'll have to put Barbosa in and hope he and Manu can handle the play making duties.
I imagine the basketball rosters get more intricate if you look at the entire Big Ten, entire ACC, etc.
Big 12 has a killer frontline of Aldridge-Griffin-Durant, but their back court is weak (Tony Allen and Mario Chalmers maybe? I don't know)
ACC is tough Paul-Redick-Melo-Bosh-Duncan, plus guys like Irving, Lawson, Carter, Brand, Favors, Battier, Boozer, Plumlee.
SEC is also strong up front Wall-Bledsoe-Joe Johnson-Horford-Davis with Cousins, Noah, Lee, DeAndre Jordan, Rondo, Parsons, Miller, Brewers, Beal.
Pac-10 is strong Westbrook-Harden-Igoudala-Love-Bogut with Lopez, Lopez, Ryan Anderson, DeRozan, Ariza, Frye, Holiday, Taj Gibson, Mayo, Isaiah Thomas, Klay Thompson.
Big East doesn't have as many players, but as good quality and well distributed by postion: Lowry-Wade-Korver-David West-Hibbert; Jimmy Butler, Wilson Chandler, Jeff Green, Hayward, Monroe, Wes Matthews.
Big 10 is pretty weak compared to those. Haven't looked at the smaller conferences as much.
They could also have Prigioni handle the point.
This is madness. Gasol is crispy-fried toast. A midround pick would be a great get for him right now.
Demar Derozan
Taj Gibson
OJ Mayo
Nikola Vuecvic
Nick Young
which is a lineup that you could actually run with for a few minutes here or there if you were desperate.
Kobe in his prime is probably the favorite against anybody, but at this point I'm not sure who could take Durant.
If Pau comes to Phoenix, the crack training staff has two months to get him back into fighting shape for the postseason. The Suns wouldn't need Pau to carry the team, but to fit in. Youthful energy has a way of reviving old legs. So does a 13-game improvement in the standings.
I hope that you work in management for Phoenix.
Maybe they will get more than a midround pick for him.
I guess it depends whether we go with contemporary affiliations or current ones, but having Melo on the ACC team is creating some serious cognitive dissonance for me.
So, under our rules, Melo wouldn't qualify for any team. Alternatives would put him on the Big East or ACC.
Not to mention Kyle Korver in the Big East.
Tell me what Deandre Kane's draft prospects are. He looks to be legit 6'4 combo guard with average NBA athleticism. But he's also 24
gotta love noah
I don't think he's toast, but a mid-first round pick and salary relief for a free agent to be? Come on Lakers, don't be so greedy. Jump on this.
Long way down from the 80s and 90s when the teams would have been deep south oriented (even if UK and UT and then Arkansas when they came in were better teams.) Barkley, Shaq, Chris Jackson, Chuck Person, McDyess, Sprewell, Horry, etc. Those games against Alabama and Auburn were terrifying in the 80s even if the teams were often mis-shaped and undisciplined. They always had ballers
Agree. I promise this is not Kevin-style concern-trolling, but if they really have $-savings and a mid-first rounder on the table and don't pull the trigger, that would be a pretty bad indicator going forward of their ability to reload.
Vernon Maxwell would be the only Gator from that era worth mentioning
Okay, that Stainbrook photo made me laugh.
Kane is considered a borderline prospect, an unlikely but not impossible draftee, afaict.
Brandon Bass, Glen Davis and Patrick Beverley are on the squad somewhere. And Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, or KenCalPo to his friends.
edit: I looked at Texas A&M and found that DeAndre Jordan went there. Who knew? He was not a star when drafted.
Ah. Known to a new generation as The Leonard Hamilton Stratagem.
I agree with everything implied before the comma, and I think the reasonably informed part of the fanbase wants Kupchak to pull the trigger. As to the macro-opinion, there are definitely many reasons to be concerned about the Jim Buss regime, and I have been going back-and-forth with people about it and posting numerous screeds on a Laker site (much more active here than there this year). The Veto is a big enough "Yeah, but" that I want to see what the FO does over the next couple of years before writing off Buss' ability to get the Lakers off the deck, and I am not going to biatch much if they just keep Pau. But as I pointed out to a guy on Lakers blog who resolutely defends the FO, none of Jim Buss' big decisions has actually worked:
Brown Hire
Nash Deal
D'Antoni Hire
Keeping D'Antoni rather than firing him in a last-ditch effort to placate Howard
Kobe extension
There are caveats and explanations that defenders in the fanbase use with all of them: Old Man Buss called the shots on the coaching hires, Nash got injured, Phil didn't really want the job, Howard is a clown and a jerk and was bailing anyway. Kobe's extension has not even officially kicked in yet, but it looks very bad and could not really have started off much worse.
So, the Jim Buss FO needs to start making big decisions that the people who defend it don't need to explain--because the decisions actually help the team.
I'm agnostic on the deal. I like Pau, but his acquisition isn't necessary to the team's future success.
If Jaret Lorezen played in the NFL, anything is possible. Seriously, that picture makes him look like that episode of South Park where they all got addicted to Warcraft and sat in front of their computers all day. Annnnnnd, that guy murdered Georgetown when they played.
I'd probably start Amir over Josh Smith at this point, especially from the perspective of roles.
But yeah, this team should destroy everyone when healthy, though of course, Kobe and Dwight feuding could ruin it all ;) (Or Kobe and Monta trying to take all the shots.)
I can't figure out the Warriors. They looked so great after Iggy came back, only to flop bad. Lost 7 of 12, and about to fall a half-game behind PHX into 7th.
And they owe the Jazz an unprotected 1st round pick! I mean I know it's not going to happen, but a man can dream...
In the West it is quite possible to fall out of the playoffs even if your a pretty damn good team.
Primer RT
@kpelton: Since December 1, Klay Thompson's TS% is .513. (League average is .537.)
First it was Parker's turn, now Embiid's. I'm sure Wiggins is next. The odds of any of them going back is slim to none, IMO.
Simmons mentioned that right now he thinks LeBron is 6th All Time and would wait until Durant has 10 seasons before really trying to place him.
I totally agree. These stories are inevitable in the middle of the season when their draft stock is not rising or falling with each game. It's a byproduct of having full time writers just covering the draft.
Golden State is one of my LP teams, so I have seen them play about 12-14 times. Thompson is very up-and-down and looks really bad some nights, so I do not find that number surprising.
That means he will be ranked over the likes of Olajuwon, Duncan, Robinson, Shaq (probably). He hasn't justified that yet, by a long shot.
Good point. I would also suggest that big-time college ball at places like Duke and Kansas is really fun and intense this time of year: the buzz and energy at the conference games, tournament coming up, winter vibe on campus etc. and that may have an effect. I would guess that things will look different ot these guys in late March and early April when the season is over and there are millions of dollars on the table.
Best I can say about that is Kobe will reduce the number of good free agents they can bring in over the next 2 years, keeping the team in deep lottery territory, so 3 years from now they can have mega cap space plus 2 young superstars in the making.
Looking at Simmons' ratings from his book, Lebron should be at least #4 right now, after Jordan, Russell, and Kareem. He has Magic and Bird at 4-5, but Lebron has clearly passed them, mainly because neither was much of a defender. Bird and Magic don't even have career length on Lebron. He's only about 2000 minutes behind Bird.
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