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They gave him a flagrant 2 and watching the replay several times, I doubt if it was even a flagrant 1. The foul itself was fairly mundane, if hard, hacking down on the ball as the shooter was about to go up. That happens 10 times a game, at least. He did follow through with an elbow but it appeared that he was just trying to extricte his arm rather than hit Hansbrough with it. Very dubious call.
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Agreed. Nelson never properly adapted to the rule change that brought in the 3. At first, it didn't matter than much because not that many of them were taken and Nelson had a fine decade in the eighties. But as the shooters got better and the 3 became an integral part of the NBA-style offense, he failed to make the proper adjustments.
Two reasons: having Bradley back and Sullinger's adaptation to the league. With Sullinger's emergence, I can see them trading Green around the AS break.
I'm sure teams are lining up to take on that contract.
And yeah, I also think the Lakers will start reeling off wins at some point and make the playoffs, though first-round homecourt appears to be fading from view.
I suspect the only way Jeff Green would have positive trade value is if he helped salaries match in a larger deal. In that case, a team might feel almost good about adding a semi-versatile player still on the right side of his prime who is by all accounts a good clubhouse guy. Otherwise, though, he probably has negative trade value, thanks to that crazy contract.
Brandon Bass is getting paid a little less and is on a shorter contract, so he might be easier to deal. And he *might* be giving Boston even less than Jeff Green right now. It's fairly close, anyway.
RDF.
Do people still think home court for the Lakers is still possible? It's not.
It's sad to say, but a trade that involved Gasol and Green would help both the Lakers and Celtics, but Boston wouldn't be able to match Gasol's salary. It's particularly sad because that implies Green would help a team more than Gasol. Yuck.
Sounds like a challenge...
Well, Green and Bass can't be traded until 1/15 (so I can't confirm it with the trade machine), but I think Green/Bass/Lee for Gasol works (C's take on less than $400k in salary, perhaps the C's have to take a minimum body like Sacre back for roster space reasons). I see a few reasons for both teams to do that, but more reasons not to for each.
Griffin destroyed Lee last night, especially in first quarter, where he outscored Lee 14-0 (and Warriors as a whole 14-12) and the Clippers jumped out to a 23 point lead, basically ending the game right there. Griffin didn't do as much rest of the way, but he didn't have to, it was basically 3 quarters of garbage time, the Warriors were down by 39 at couple points of the game.
Obviously Lee is usually better than this, just like Griffin is usually better than his performance earlier in the week (although Lee didn't have to play in Denver the night before like Griffin did before his rough game against Lee).
Similarly, I think Billy Owens was the start of me hating soft, underperforming forwards from Syracuse.
My childhood fantasies revolved around Sam Perkins landing on the Warriors.
thoughts?
Admitted I'm a much more casual basketball fan than baseball, looking it up, Mullin 's WS is on the lowish end of the HOF but actually wasn't undeserving, wow (and it's really only on the low end because the 90s saw a crazy awesome collection of players)
The western conference is very intriguing this year, as of today Wolf / Jazz / Laker / Mavs are all on the outside looking in, you'd figure at least half of them would make a run at it before all is said and done.
At this point, Clipper / Spurs / Thunder are essentially locks, and Warriors / Grizzly should be too baring catastrophic 2nd half. the 6/7/8 at this point is Rockets / Portland / Denver, all rather exciting young teams (especially Portland and Houston, as is the Wolfs). it's going to be mighty interesting to see how that plays out.
Still, if Mullin's low 90s WS is a bar for the HOF, but I don't see how some of the active player either around or probably would be around that when all's said and done would make it...
I think that has a lot of impact on any Sixers trade analysis.
Anyway, looking at his career on bb-ref, I see a durable, high-minute, efficient medium-volume scorer. Also, his career at St. John's factors into the Basketball Hall of Fame.
*I'm positing that there was no way to leave Bird or Magic off the roster.
Yeah, that trade isn't going to work.
that actually seems like the exact opposite of what you're saying.
Billy Owens was seen as an athletic power forward when he came into the league but what he turned out to be was a small forward. That stymied him early in his career when he was put down on the blocks but couldn't hang there. Then later in his career when teams moved him outside his feet were too slow to play on the perimeter, particularly on defense. Owen's primary problem was that he either needed to be a little taller or a little faster. 6'6"-6'9" can be a real no-man's land in the NBA unless you're blessed with extreme quickness.
I feel like a lot of roads to NCAA titles and Final Fours are paved with these guys.
-- Mullin would be in the HOF if he never played in the NBA.
-- Do we have a handle on exactly how good James Harden is yet? It's no surprise that he is having a great year, but with the Rockets playing the highest pace in the league, I guess there is some air in his numbers that need to be accounted for. One thing's for sure, he has a lot of games where he just wrecks teams by drawing 6+ fouls a game and going 14 for 15 at the line.
You're right that he's not getting to the line as much. But it's not like he got to the line a ton before. He's really looked like a mess this year, and it's a bit of a mystery as to why. He went from being the good Glen Davis to being the bad Glen Davis kind of suddenly.
Speaking of Run-TMC, the current Rocket system is alot like that no? though Asik would have been the big man Nelson probably needed. He's not the most ideal Ben Wallace type obviously, but he can create a good enough presence on his own with most of his team spread out helps a lot.
I think the Hollinger analysis pretty much sums it up:
Lakers - lose 11 wins
Wolves - lose 21 wins
Sixers - gain 19 wins
Yeah, I'm not seeing the upside for two of the three teams...
I guess it's fair to say that you have to do about as much as Bill Bradley as a pro to get in with that type of college career. Mullin clearly is above that line. I think he's probably a decent HOFer on his own NBA merits. Laettner probably deserves to be in as well.
This is funny to me because by advance metrics (outside of PER), Harden is playing worse than he was last year. To me, this points out the flaws in basketball advance statistics. To other people, maybe not so much.
I mean if they're going to make the playoffs, they really should stop losing at home to one of the most likely team they can knock off ... (aka Denver)
Of course, I don't think Nelson would have had a clue of how to make Dikembe/Hardaway/Mullin work.
Good gravy, the Suns' offense is terrible. ONE fast-break point. And when your leading scorer is P.J. Tucker (17 pts), something is badly awry.
Kobe and Howard almost came to blows.
I'm shocked that trade is legal. I mean, best interests of the game and all, but it's amazing the salaries work out. Con I think you didn't consider, steagles: you're giving up 2 centers and only getting 1 back.
asik's rebounding % isn't that different than what he posted last year (less orb, more drb, bit more total reb)
What's impressed me most about Asik this year is his conditioning. It's amazing he's playing that many minutes, in that up tempo system. He was limited on the Bulls mostly because of Noah, but he also usually looked totally gassed every time he came out and didn't look like he could play another minute.
Gasol bears some responsibility for his absolutely drag-ass play. Not to rag on you, NJ, but there's this weird idea that Gasol is some kind of hostage. He's just slow and looks old right now. He is absolutely one of the biggest problems for the Lakers. They thought going in to the season that he'd be a positive for them, but he's been their worst starter.
I'd absolutely dump him for nothing to get out from under his contract.
This might not be as big a deal if Howard was actually playing like a superstar, but he's been playing worse than Gasol or Bynum have at center the last several years, while at the same time forcing Gasol into a sub-optimal role. Of course if you listen to Howard complain to the press, everything is Kobe's fault. The Laker's organization is in a tough spot though, because if they try to change their approach to Howard or the role he plays, he likely pouts and leaves once his contract is up, leaving them with nothing to build their team around longer term.
It is possible that he was just killing himself knowing that he was only getting a certain number of minutes in Chicago. His block numbers are way down this year (2.8% after 5.0 and 4.3 the last two years) and while some of that is due to increased focus on the DREB, it is also possible that he is patrolling the whole interior and re-jumping less, partially due to the defensive system and partially due to his own pacing.
It hurts to even think about the Wolves right now. The worst part is that the fans are turning against Love. These are probably the same people who were blaming Joe Mauer for getting paid too much. What is wrong with people who stay in Minnesota?
Thoughts on the proposal in 117?
It is possible that he was just killing himself knowing that he was only getting a certain number of minutes in Chicago. His block numbers are way down this year (2.8% after 5.0 and 4.3 the last two years) and while some of that is due to increased focus on the DREB, it is also possible that he is patrolling the whole interior and re-jumping less, partially due to the defensive system and partially due to his own pacing.
I'm sure that's part of it.
Agreed.
You know, I like him and all, but Sullinger isn't playing that well in Boston. He's avoiding mistakes (aside from a high foul rate and shooting too many jumpers), but not really making things happen and he's having significant problems on defense. You could credibly argue that Green, for one, has outperformed him.
Re: [117]/STEAGLES trade proposal - can't believe how many of you jumped on that bait. Nice work, STEAGS.
Jeff Green may be one of the hardest guys in the league to trade right now
I generally agree - but he has done one thing you overlook here - he's a very good offensive rebounder. He's top 20 in the NBA in OReb%, and by far the best on the Celtics (admittedly a low bar). Yeah, he gets his shot blocked at the rim a lot, and he's still a work in progress on D, but he's well on his way to being a useful rotation guy on a good team and I expect him to improve his D and shot selection in the 2nd half as he becomes more comfortable.
Ha!
Talk about a lose/lose trade.
If the question is whether he is slumping or declining, ISTM that midrange jumpers would not be the first thing to go.
I got nothing. It is odd. Maybe you can blame talk radio (which for some reason has decided the unholy trinity are Joe Mauer, kevin Love, and Percy Harvin - because blaming great players is how all franchises excel), but talk radio is odious everywhere.
The Gophers BBall team is pretty darn good, so we have that.
You have to get rid of these guys before they become fan favorites for "playing hard" and "playing the right way", etc.
Chris Mullin was just a funny looking guy, period.
I didn't think it was a serious trade suggestion. I still thought it was interesting to post the projected results though just to show how completely one sided it was. Like Moses said, mainly I was just surprised that a trade proposal that two of the three teams would laugh hysterically at actually worked.
Haven't seen them play yet. But they sound like a matchup nightmare for the Illini (due to their size). Big game Wed night in Champaign, I guess.
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*He also plays this role when it comes to FA and other contract decisions. Almost like the guy the org uses to gets everyone's hopes down. This is not a criticism, btw, just how I read him.
do you think this one is any better?
MIA: -14 wins
OKC: -24
LAL: -8
PHI: +3
And here's a -25 win trade for Miami: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bgbckfu
The trade machine is broken if it things Sacramento gains only 3 wins by trading Salmons and Garcia for Westbrook.
It's unfortunate that most of what KC writes is taken as the bible by many self-loathing Bulls fans. The guy is a Bull's management stooge and why anyone would trust anything GarPax tell them is beyond me.
Rose will come back after 9 or so months. Why this is such a debate is beyond me. It's the recovery table and Rose is on the table.
Who is "management" in this quote? Likely an anonymous mid-level staffer. I would be shocked if GarPax and the coach they just signed to an extenstion aren't on the same page about the franchise player. Thibs is a bit of a nutter, but he's not Shanahan level nutter.
I ####### hope not.
Slow your roll. The reason I posted it because he's the mainstream writer face of the Bulls. If he's saying it, then it's what management is saying. So I'm saying this is what GarPax thinks, and that's news because they've said *nothing* of note until this.
Rose will come back after 9 or so months. Why this is such a debate is beyond me. It's the recovery table and Rose is on the table.
It's a debate because no one has said anything. You may be right, but you have no way of knowing that.
I would be shocked if GarPax and the coach they just signed to an extenstion aren't on the same page about the franchise player. Thibs is a bit of a nutter, but he's not Shanahan level nutter.
I would hope so too, but it took them how long to sign him again? There's no reason to think they're of the same mind here; ####, I bet they're going to have to be on Thibs hard if Rose has a minutes limit. As for the last point, did you miss the discussion on Rose's constant injuries last season and him rushing back every time? Not to say Thibs was wrong, but he also was criticized for Rose's ACL injury (I disagree with that, btw, but it at least came from something). Also, this happened. I know you tuned out after Rose's injury, but this also happened last season (and he didn't play for *months* afterwards). So yeah, quite frankly, I do worry about how Thibs will treat him when he comes back. (Not to mention all the minutes Deng and Noah have been playing that I've been posting about non-stop.)
It's time to start shopping Dwight Howard. Yep.
Expecting to read that Steve Nash needs a limb amputated.
Kobe - head transplant, DTD. No games missed.
I can high five elsewhere than here.
Kobe winning the scoring title suddenly looks like a thing, though.
I was honestly hoping for a LAL-MIA Finals matchup and this about ends any thoughts of that.
Until they're actually eliminated from the playoffs, I will not write off this Lakers roster.
What, is this the 3rd time Rondo has been suspended for that (one was the ball, right)? How does that still only warrant 1 game (or less, if you consider the other part too)?
Edit: To be clear, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve the suspension, given the rules and his past. Just that I suspect another player without such a past/rep might have gotten some leeway in the situation.
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