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OT: NBA Monthly Thread - April 2013

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, but with our own thread, we won’t detract from what this site is really about: the Oxford comma and unspeakable criminal acts.

 

The District Attorney Posted: April 01, 2013 at 11:27 AM | 1276 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1001. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 26, 2013 at 02:30 PM (#4426385)
The Heat could totally rest Wade for game 4 and still win.

Also, I see Curry is "questionable" for tonight's game. So many injuries and limited players this playoffs.
   1002. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: April 26, 2013 at 02:33 PM (#4426389)
This year's playoffs were shaping up to be epic and then some of the anticipated matchups didn't happen, guys got hurt, guys never came back. Sucks.
   1003. bunyon Posted: April 26, 2013 at 02:39 PM (#4426395)
Westbrook done. Torn meniscus. Surgery scheduled. West is wiiiiiide open.

Came here to see what the thoughts/analysis/news is. I didn't quote all of it, hopefully he can come back, though if it really is torn, that seems pretty silly.


Haven't heard from my mom yet. She is probably in tears.
   1004. kpelton Posted: April 26, 2013 at 02:55 PM (#4426409)
Torn just means there's a defect. It's basically a catch-all for meniscus injuries.
   1005. rr Posted: April 26, 2013 at 02:58 PM (#4426414)
Longer post coming, but didn't post the stats to tear down Kobe.


I am aware of that. But as I noted, prior to the series, Haberstroh took what were IMO a couple of cheap shots at Kobe (Will he freak out on Twitter if the team is better without him????)in the 5-on-5, which I re-posted at a Lakers board. Like I said, looking at the whole context, there was pretty much no chance that the Lakers would have a better shot in this series without him. I thought they could give the Spurs a little trouble, but actually win? 10-15% at best. You need to score points to win most NBA games, and Kobe scores a lot of points. Add that to who is replacing him...

As to your questions about shot selection, it is hard to say. I think one could argue that in some respects Kobe as an INDIVIDUAL would be more effective as a 3, playing a lot on the blocks and in the mid-post and not taking so many of those dreaded contested jumpers. OTOH, given the TEAM'S needs and personnel, having him do what he does probably works better overall and opens things up for the other guys. We see that Howard and Pau have not exploded on the Spurs with Kobe gone, and that has been a big argument the last few years--that the Lakers need to "Play inside-out" and "pound the post" and therefore "Kobe needs to shoot less." But like a lot of stuff about him, it is more complicated than that.
   1006. rr Posted: April 26, 2013 at 03:44 PM (#4426453)
This year's playoffs were shaping up to be epic and then some of the anticipated matchups didn't happen, guys got hurt, guys never came back. Sucks.


Not that the schedule necessarily caused any of these injuries, but I still think that the league would have a better product with fewer games (64-68) and more off-days. Will never happen for obvious economic reasons, but 8-10 preseason games, 82 games, and then best-of-7s in every round with more than half the teams in the NBA in postseason seems to be too much to me.

Also, Durant might go off for 50 a game or something, but I think OKC will probably miss Westbrook for some of the same reasons that the Lakers miss Bryant. Westbrook takes dumb shots sometimes, but the defense has to take him seriously as a threat at ALL TIMES.
   1007. Manny Coon Posted: April 26, 2013 at 04:00 PM (#4426469)
The coaching advantage will be even more significant in the playoffs, IMO, were they to meet.


True, but at the same time I think the Clipper's players are currently healthier than the Spurs players. I think the Spurs would be favored, but I think it's close and the Clippers have better players. This year's Clippers team is a good amount better than last year's team and Paul isn't injured so using last year matchup as a comparison I don't think is too useful.
   1008. Manny Coon Posted: April 26, 2013 at 04:03 PM (#4426475)
Also, Durant might go off for 50 a game or something, but I think OKC will probably miss Westbrook for some of the same reasons that the Lakers miss Bryant. Westbrook takes dumb shots sometimes, but the defense has to take him seriously as a threat at ALL TIMES.


Also while so much of the focus on Westbrook is on his scoring, he's also an elite rebounder and very good defender and passer, so even if they don't miss his scoring all that much, they will miss the other things that he does.
   1009. andrewberg Posted: April 26, 2013 at 04:23 PM (#4426483)
Also, Durant might go off for 50 a game or something, but I think OKC will probably miss Westbrook for some of the same reasons that the Lakers miss Bryant. Westbrook takes dumb shots sometimes, but the defense has to take him seriously as a threat at ALL TIMES.


That OKC team is not engineered to do well without Durant or Westbrook for very long. They get such a huge percentage of their offense from those two guys that the shoes are incredibly large to fill.
   1010. Fourth True Outcome Posted: April 26, 2013 at 05:18 PM (#4426508)
I hope that Westbrook's meniscus tear is minor enough that he's able to come back during these playoffs, but I'm also excited to see what happens when Durant has both license and need to shoot as much as possible. It's what I hoped would happen over the final two games of the season when he needed to score 90 points to beat Melo for the scoring title.

I do think that losing Westbrook makes the Thunder vulnerable not just because of the obvious talent loss, but also because I have little faith in Scott Brooks's ability to adjust particularly effectively.
   1011. puck Posted: April 26, 2013 at 08:26 PM (#4426611)
How many 2nd round picks get guaranteed deals? I was surprised to read several CU Buffs blogs in favor of Andre Roberson going pro when it's fairly certain he's a 2nd rounder at best. One of the arguments mentioned that some 2nd rounders got guaranteed deals.
   1012. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: April 26, 2013 at 09:10 PM (#4426657)
This Celtics-Knicks series isn't even close. It looks like a 2-7 matchup.
   1013. RollingWave Posted: April 26, 2013 at 09:45 PM (#4426684)
Jesus, the Celtics mystic in the last couple years i pretty much gone, they might not crack 60 points this game at this point

OKC will still get by Houston , especially since it's already 2-0, but this would make their later rounds a lot more risky yes
   1014. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 26, 2013 at 09:58 PM (#4426698)
I have to admit that I was starting to think that the Celtics weren't that much worse off without Rondo but I guess I was completely wrong. The difference might not be that big during the season but it's a whole different ballgame in the playoffs.
   1015. Famous Original Joe C Posted: April 26, 2013 at 10:11 PM (#4426709)
Welptics.
   1016. GregD Posted: April 26, 2013 at 10:17 PM (#4426715)
I'm listening on the radio. Did the Smith flagrant look as stupid as the announcers made it sound?
   1017. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: April 26, 2013 at 10:17 PM (#4426716)
[1016] Yes.
   1018. RollingWave Posted: April 26, 2013 at 10:24 PM (#4426723)
good god, the Celtics ball movement is god awful
   1019. RollingWave Posted: April 26, 2013 at 10:27 PM (#4426727)
Also this Knicks team.... I dunno, I guess on one end if they can make those shots they might beat anyone, but I just can't see them keep scoring 50+ between JR and Melo on like 80% contested fadeaway shots.
   1020. GregD Posted: April 26, 2013 at 10:27 PM (#4426728)
Prior conditioning led me to expect that Smith's idiocy would spark a major Boston comeback. Not so!
   1021. Spivey Posted: April 26, 2013 at 10:59 PM (#4426751)
How much PT is Derek ####### Fisher going to get now? Seems to me like going from Westbrook to Fisher may just kill them. Maynor sucked this year, and they traded him, but he had been a very good backup PG. I just don't think that OKC can handle this injury at all. Unless they're going to go PG-less and have some combination of Durant/Martin/Sefalosha bring it up. It will hurt, but I think Martin and Durant can handle a bit higher usage. It will hurt them a bit on offense, I think they need to make sure that this doesn't lead to too many scrub defender minutes.
   1022. Spivey Posted: April 26, 2013 at 11:05 PM (#4426757)
I'm looking forward to Indiana/NYK. I think the winner can push Miami, and maybe beat them. It probably won't happen - it will take a poor series from Miami and a great series from their opponent. But basketball is basketball - if LeBron managed to show that he's human and have a poor shooting series, they can lose.
   1023. puck Posted: April 26, 2013 at 11:12 PM (#4426761)
Damn, did McGee just airball a free throw??
   1024. Spivey Posted: April 27, 2013 at 12:20 AM (#4426811)
The Spurs are clowning the Lakers.
   1025. Spivey Posted: April 27, 2013 at 12:41 AM (#4426816)
Anthony Randolph is getting meaningful playoff minutes!?
   1026. Spivey Posted: April 27, 2013 at 12:42 AM (#4426818)
That was one of the worst goal tends of all time.
   1027. tshipman Posted: April 27, 2013 at 12:54 AM (#4426821)
I'm looking forward to Indiana/NYK. I think the winner can push Miami, and maybe beat them. It probably won't happen - it will take a poor series from Miami and a great series from their opponent. But basketball is basketball - if LeBron managed to show that he's human and have a poor shooting series, they can lose.


I think that NYK can push MIA if they take an asston of threes and make a high percentage. That's the scenario, probably.


The Spurs are clowning the Lakers.


How do you let a team shoot .600 against you when you are at home? Terrible team, terrible coach. Why can't we have Brian Shaw again?
   1028. Spivey Posted: April 27, 2013 at 12:57 AM (#4426823)
Ty Lawson is a little bowling ball.
   1029. Spivey Posted: April 27, 2013 at 12:59 AM (#4426825)
This game is bananas.
   1030. puck Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:02 AM (#4426827)
This game is bananas.

! Boy is it.
   1031. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:07 AM (#4426830)
George Karl's love affair with Andre Miller. ####### #### man. ####.
   1032. puck Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:07 AM (#4426831)
Miller did not look too graceful dribbling under the basket.
   1033. Spivey Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:09 AM (#4426832)
Andre Miller is good. I don't really like his game, but he's not a bad player.
   1034. puck Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:11 AM (#4426833)
Ugh, Lawson brick on the 3 with a chance to tie.
   1035. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:12 AM (#4426834)
miller: good player, bad game. it happens.
   1036. Spivey Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:13 AM (#4426835)
The 4th quarter of this game is why I don't listen to people who say the NBA sucks. The people that say that invariably don't watch any ####### NBA basketball.

Iguodala is a good player. He's so overrated as a playmaker though.
   1037. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:14 AM (#4426837)
Andre Miller is good. That's fine. George Karl has a blind faith in him that absolutely no one else on the roster gets. That's not fine. How terrible possessions did he need to be involved with tonight before the decision was made to either bench him or get the ball out of his ####### hands. ####.
   1038. puck Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:18 AM (#4426838)
The hell, a 5 second call??
   1039. Spivey Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:18 AM (#4426839)
Wow!!!
   1040. puck Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:18 AM (#4426840)
Andre Miller is good. That's fine. George Karl has a blind faith in him that absolutely no one else on the roster gets.

Maybe he misses Al Harrington?
   1041. Spivey Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:19 AM (#4426841)
Wow, I don't know about that no call there.
   1042. puck Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:19 AM (#4426842)
I don't believe it.
   1043. Spivey Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:21 AM (#4426843)
Jon Barry is such a stupid mammal.
   1044. Spivey Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:22 AM (#4426844)
I just don't understand in playoff basketball how a team doesn't have a timeout to advance the ball at the end of the game. That's really the only time a timeout really, really matters.
   1045. Maxwn Posted: April 27, 2013 at 01:38 AM (#4426851)
I just don't understand in playoff basketball how a team doesn't have a timeout to advance the ball at the end of the game. That's really the only time a timeout really, really matters.

Well, Denver still had 3 left with 2 mins to play, but Karl used one with 1:54 cause GSW had run the lead up to 6. Then he used the last 2 in the last 21 secs. Can you even save more than that till that last 2 mins? Aren't there rules about that? I thought there were but I admittedly have no idea how the #### timeout rules work in the NBA.

I guess Karl could have saved that one at 1:54 but it seemed pretty reasonable to me at the time. If you don't keep GSW from extending the lead beyond 6, it doesn't matter how many you have left in the last 30 secs any way.
   1046. Amit Posted: April 27, 2013 at 02:17 AM (#4426855)
[1037] Agreed about Miller. Sure, he was great in Game 1, but 2-13 tonight with 3 turnovers, and he's just not fast enough on defense. I don't know why Karl always buries Fournier on the bench in the 2nd Half; he's pretty useful on perimeter defense and can spread the floor and drive on offense. At least better than Miller.
   1047. Spivey Posted: April 27, 2013 at 02:38 AM (#4426857)
I don't remember the details of the last 2 timeouts, but their execution was abysmal in the last half minute so if Karl used 2 timeouts to set that up then he didn't do very well.

I do remember Lawson driving the whole court on the play where he turned it over with just several seconds left, so if a timeout was used there it wasn't intelligent.
   1048. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 27, 2013 at 03:00 PM (#4427019)
Westbrook officially out for the playoffs.

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Bulls Nets game has been surprisingly entertaining and has plenty of offense. And now Watson and NateRob get into a hugging fight.
   1049. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 27, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4427062)
Huge break for the Nets. Lopez's 3 shouldn't have counted. When Robinson saved the ball, the shot clock stopped when it shouldn't have. His shot came after it would have expired. It doesn't look like TNT caught it.
   1050. andrewberg Posted: April 27, 2013 at 04:48 PM (#4427096)
Holy crap Nate Rob. Personal 12-0 run and counting to pull Bulls within 2.
   1051. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 27, 2013 at 04:48 PM (#4427097)
Nate Robinson is happening.
   1052. Famous Original Joe C Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:00 PM (#4427100)
That guy won game 6 of the 2010 ECF with one of those runs. Great comeback for the Bulls - hope they beat the Nets in this series even though I generally dislike them.
   1053. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:00 PM (#4427101)
The Nets are terrible.
   1054. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:10 PM (#4427110)
Nate Robinson is the opposite of terrible.
   1055. JJ1986 Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:17 PM (#4427114)
Hero Ball!
   1056. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:17 PM (#4427115)
OH COME ON
   1057. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:17 PM (#4427116)
THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST UNBELIEVABLE THINGS I'VE EVER SEEN.
   1058. JJ1986 Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:27 PM (#4427123)
The NBA has to do something to speed up these reviews.
   1059. jmurph Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4427124)
Is the Clips-Griz game really not on anywhere right now? Turner owns several other channels. This is insanity.
   1060. andrewberg Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:30 PM (#4427125)
The Nets have done a poor job forcing the ball out of Robinson's hands early in the clock. When they double him off of a screen, it is too easy for him to hit the screener and then get the ball to the open man as the defense rotates. The Nets just do not have very quick defenders overall. They do have lots of good individual offensive players, which is why this game has stayed even for so long.

Not that anyone can complain about this game, but do the MEM-LAC people have any way to see their game?
   1061. JJ1986 Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4427129)
Is the Clips-Griz game really not on anywhere right now? Turner owns several other channels. This is insanity.


They can't turn off the reruns of Friends and King of Queens on TBS.
   1062. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:36 PM (#4427130)
The Bulls are also being broadcast locally. I'd assume that's also the case in Memphis and LA.
   1063. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:37 PM (#4427132)
Awful.
   1064. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:50 PM (#4427145)
If nate got an offensive foul so should Reggie there. Tough calls.
   1065. Maxwn Posted: April 27, 2013 at 05:52 PM (#4427147)
Not that anyone can complain about this game, but do the MEM-LAC people have any way to see their game?

Yeah, I'm watching it on the fox regional sports thing that does the regular season games.
   1066. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 27, 2013 at 06:14 PM (#4427160)
I could have been at that game, it turns out. My wife turned down tickets this morning without consulting me...
   1067. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 27, 2013 at 06:18 PM (#4427166)
I would love it if they managed to finish off the nets in 5 gets them extra rest for the next round
   1068. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 27, 2013 at 06:24 PM (#4427171)
Chris Paul is amazing.
   1069. Maxwn Posted: April 27, 2013 at 06:31 PM (#4427175)
Zach Randolph looks like a brand new man the last 2 games.
   1070. Manny Coon Posted: April 27, 2013 at 06:36 PM (#4427182)
How hard is it to figure that Paul and Bledsoe should play together more? Whenever they do the Clippers seem to do really well, but then Del Negro never sticks with it.
   1071. Maxwn Posted: April 27, 2013 at 06:48 PM (#4427190)
How hard is it to figure that Paul and Bledsoe should play together more?

As a Grizzlies fan, I'm happy for anything that keeps Bledsoe off the floor, but I imagine one reason is the small lineup with Paul and Bledsoe makes it easier for the Grizzlies to cross-match Tony Allen on Paul. Now if I was Lionel, I wouldn't be scared of Billups and would probably let Conley guard him and Allen guard Paul anyway, but Lionel seems a little more hesitant to do that and Vinny is probably trying to keep TA off Paul as much as he can. I tend to agree with you that it's probably not the best decision, but I suspect that is the thought process.
   1072. Maxwn Posted: April 27, 2013 at 07:36 PM (#4427218)
All square in the MEM-LAC series. The Clippers got absolutely worked in the 4th quarter. I think this series is gonna come down to whether or not Game 1 and 2 Z-Bo shows up in LA or Game 3-4 Z-Bo does.
   1073. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 27, 2013 at 09:01 PM (#4427232)
That game was close until Memphis just laid down the hammer in the 4th. Like we all suspected, this was the one great series in the 1st round. The winner, you'd have to think, would be a real contender for the Finals.
   1074. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 27, 2013 at 09:24 PM (#4427238)
As a Grizzlies fan, I'm happy for anything that keeps Bledsoe off the floor, but I imagine one reason is the small lineup with Paul and Bledsoe makes it easier for the Grizzlies to cross-match Tony Allen on Paul.
But that would just allow Bledsoe to go right at the basket, which worked to marvelous effect in Game 1.

DeAndre Jordan played just 17 minutes today. The Jordan-Griffin combination is what the Clippers should be banking on to match up against ZeBo-Gasol, and Jordan plays just 17 minutes? VDN really is just terrible.
   1075. Maxwn Posted: April 27, 2013 at 09:26 PM (#4427240)
The winner, you'd have to think, would be a real contender for the Finals.

Yeah, I tend to think so. I honestly think either of LAC or MEM might be favored over a Westbrook-less Thunder team. Their PG situation is now a real disaster. If Durant gets them to the finals, it's going to have to be a performance for the ages, I think. Which to be fair, I would not be totally shocked to see.
   1076. Maxwn Posted: April 27, 2013 at 09:33 PM (#4427243)
But that would just allow Bledsoe to go right at the basket, which worked to marvelous effect in Game 1.

Yeah, I agree that Bledsoe should be playing more than Billups, if not basically all Billups minutes. Although, I am pretty sure that Paul and Bledsoe were out there together for most the early 4th quarter tonight when things got out of hand. And the Grizzlies were doing the cross-match that entire time.

Anyway, I agree, it is a mistake to play Billups with Paul instead of Bledsoe, but my guess is that he's doing it to avoid the cross-match as much as possible. That is probably being too clever by half in this case.
   1077. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: April 27, 2013 at 10:00 PM (#4427255)
I would love it if they managed to finish off the nets in 5 gets them extra rest for the next round


Well, the Heat are going to wrap up their series tomorrow, so they'll be just as fresh. And are already healthier in general. But yes, extra rest will help.
   1078. Manny Coon Posted: April 27, 2013 at 10:08 PM (#4427257)
DeAndre Jordan played just 17 minutes today. The Jordan-Griffin combination is what the Clippers should be banking on to match up against ZeBo-Gasol, and Jordan plays just 17 minutes? VDN really is just terrible.


The even more confusing part about cutting Jordan's minutes is that he's also cut Odom's minutes. I could maybe see getting frustrated by some of Jordan's decision making and wanting a more savvy veteran, but in that case Odom is the obvious choice to get more minutes, but instead he's playing Hollins and Turiaf, who are both completely ineffective.

The other thing he's not doing is giving his best players more minutes like most coaches do in the playoffs. Paul and Griffin could easily play 40+, but Paul isn't playing much more that usual and Griffin is actually playing less.
   1079. GregD Posted: April 27, 2013 at 10:22 PM (#4427264)
The JR Smith suspension, fair or unfair?
   1080. Spivey Posted: April 27, 2013 at 10:23 PM (#4427265)
VDN is a bad coach. That said, the West is brutal. When teams like Memphis and the Clippers play against each other in the first round, someone has to lose. And it's a title contender that isn't going to consider it acceptable that they lost in the first round.
   1081. Maxwn Posted: April 27, 2013 at 10:27 PM (#4427267)
The JR Smith suspension, fair or unfair?

Seemed fair to me, I don't think there's any way he didn't throw that elbow at his face on purpose.
   1082. Maxwn Posted: April 27, 2013 at 10:40 PM (#4427273)
The other thing he's not doing is giving his best players more minutes like most coaches do in the playoffs.

I think it's not only that he doesn't give them enough minutes, he doesn't give them enough minutes together. If I look at their roster, I think their best guys are probably Paul, Griffin, Crawford, Jordan, Bledsoe and then Matt Barnes. Vinny brings 3 of those guys off the bench so they play together a lot, but then the other 3 are playing with guys 7,8,9 a lot. That may work pretty good in the regular season, when your all-NBA Bench lineup can crush the opposing bench during the substitute periods, but at least in the last 2 games, Lionel has recognized this problem and isn't giving them that opportunity any more. The Grizz are basically playing 7-8 deep right now and he's not leaving a mostly bench lineup out there to get waxed by Crawford and Bledsoe for very long. The last 2 games I think the Clippers have spent too much of the game with half-strength lineups playing against the Grizz at full or mostly full-strength.

There's something to be said for having good offensive players come off the bench to keep your offense humming, but there's also a lot to be said for figuring out who your best 5 guys are and playing them together as much as possible.
   1083. Maxwn Posted: April 27, 2013 at 11:32 PM (#4427286)
This OKC-HOU game has gotten kind of good here in the 3rd quarter.
   1084. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: April 27, 2013 at 11:46 PM (#4427289)
No doubt moses, i fully expect them to lose but with the extra rest they will do it with more grace and will be closer overall
   1085. Maxwn Posted: April 28, 2013 at 12:04 AM (#4427291)
Win or lose, I don't think this game is a good sign for OKC. Their offense has gone to hell here in the second half. Way too much standing around waiting for Durant to do something.
   1086. Spivey Posted: April 28, 2013 at 12:07 AM (#4427293)
Ibaka!!!
   1087. Spivey Posted: April 28, 2013 at 12:11 AM (#4427294)
DURANTULA!
   1088. rr Posted: April 28, 2013 at 02:10 AM (#4427307)
I agree with Maxwn here; I think this game is an indicator that OKC will have a really rough time with either the Grizzlies or the Clippers. If they still had Harden...but they don't.

I don't care much who wins at this point (sort of rooting for the Grizzlies). I just hope that no other key players on any of the teams (well, any players, but everyone knows what I mean) get injured the rest of the playoffs.
   1089. Maxwn Posted: April 28, 2013 at 03:57 AM (#4427309)
Without Westbrook, they just play a ton of guys who are no threat to do anything on offense. Maybe Ibaka will go off, or Kevin Martin will find a time machine, or they'll find a loophole to replace Kendrick Perkins with an actual NBA player.
   1090. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: April 28, 2013 at 06:35 AM (#4427310)
Thoughts on yesterday's action

1. I would be absolutely shocked if a Westbrook-less OKC squad was able to get past the winner of MEM-LAC.

2. I was asleep most of the morning/early afternoon (West Coast time) and woke up to CJ Watson's missed dunk. It's hard for me to put into words how much I enjoyed Nate's performance. I've always been a believer in Robinson and hated the way D'antoni treated him in NY and never understood why so many teams failed to properly utilize him. I pretty much only see the Bulls' national games, but I feel Thibs has used him perfectly and I hope that he returns to that squad next year. Even with Rose, the Bulls' offense has never been much to write home about so it would be nice for them to have another weapon off the bench. I suppose this conflicts with my interests as a Knicks fan and life long Bulls hater, but I like Thibs and just think the NBA is better for having Nate Robinson in a showcase role.

3. What the hell happened in IND-ATL?

4. There are a whole bunch of ifs involved here, but I found myself wondering how a Kobe-less LAL would do against a Westbrook-less OKC yesterday. Obviously one of the primary LAL weaknesses has always been containing athletic PGs and Westbrook's injury makes OKC a lot less dangerous in that respect (Though maybe Reggie Jackson would just go off). World Peace apparently being down for the count also hurts this thought matchup.

5. Are the Westbrook-less Thunder more or less talented than LeBron's CLE teams?
   1091. bigboy1234 Posted: April 28, 2013 at 04:07 PM (#4427527)
Carmelo ends up with 35 FGA, 20 FTA, and 7 TO in 45 Min. Over a possesion used per minute played, quite, um, impressive.
   1092. PJ Martinez Posted: April 28, 2013 at 06:58 PM (#4427617)
I found this argument persuasive: Abolish the live-ball timeout.
   1093. RollingWave Posted: April 28, 2013 at 08:50 PM (#4427655)
TO in SA @ LA .... 4:19

sums up the game. Spurs are actually shooting like crap, too.
   1094. AROM Posted: April 28, 2013 at 08:58 PM (#4427659)
Howard ejected, Pau is going to have to do it by himself. Currently the score (74-56 SA) is almost entirely due to a 19-5 turnover margin. This is what happens when you play inside out, your opponent knows you are doing so, and you have no credible outside game to keep them honest.

As became obvious when the Lakers lost their entire first and second string of guards, this game is a funeral.
   1095. AROM Posted: April 28, 2013 at 09:06 PM (#4427660)
Carmelo ends up with 35 FGA, 20 FTA, and 7 TO in 45 Min. Over a possesion used per minute played, quite, um, impressive.


Where alternatives to Carmelo chucking explored or was it pure ball-hogging? Did not see the game. Knicks usually have pretty good ball movement, but a lot of that is the result of Carmelo being doubled, leaving someone open, usually for 3. If Celtics were playing man to man, daring him to shoot, I can see this result as the Knicks have only one other guy who can create his own shot, Felton. Not having Smith hurts a lot.

But if this game was the result of Carmelo running ISO plays all game while everyone else stood around, then a pathetic effort on his part, and possible the worst 36 points ever scored.
   1096. AROM Posted: April 28, 2013 at 09:20 PM (#4427667)
Looking up through play Index, I think Carmelo just destroyed the record for worst playoff game ever from a guy scoring 35+ points. Nobody has ever done that before while shooting less that 30% from the field.

In 2001 AI shot 11-34 for 36 points, but had 8 rebounds and 7 steals. Paul Pierce in 2003 was 8-24 scoring 40, but was a perfect 21-21 from the line, had 11 boards and 6 assists. The other night James Harden was 9-24 with 6 TO while scoring 36, but he had 11 boards and 6 assists too. Carmelo getting 7 TO, only 2 assists, 1 steals and 5 fouls, plus missing 2 huge free throws late in the 4th, while bricking all 7 of his 3's sets a new standard.
   1097. Spivey Posted: April 28, 2013 at 09:50 PM (#4427685)
Golden State is a different team with a healthy Bogut.
   1098. puck Posted: April 28, 2013 at 10:33 PM (#4427705)
So, someone who understands basketball: why is Golden State having such success against the Nuggets? Should the Nuggets stop going small or would that just make it worse?
   1099. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: April 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM (#4427716)
Den at gs is appointment television. Great crowd.

Nugs offense is heavily reliant on transition and penetration - Ws are well suited to counter with their speed and Bogut. On D, Denver takes a lot of risks - guard heavy GS lineup (both jack and curry are legit pgs who are also comfortable playing off the ball) is well positioned to counter.
   1100. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: April 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM (#4427717)
Losing David Lee and gaining Healthy Andrew Bogut is, like...a massive ####### upgrade. Jesus.
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