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OT: NBA Monthly Thread - April 2013

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, but with our own thread, we won’t detract from what this site is really about: the Oxford comma and unspeakable criminal acts.

 

The District Attorney Posted: April 01, 2013 at 11:27 AM | 1276 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   801. Fear is Moses Taylor's Bacon Bits Posted: April 20, 2013 at 03:30 PM (#4420455)
Joakim Noah either won't play against the Nets or he'll be extremely limited due to his recurring plantar fasciitis. This news comes on the heels of Haberstroh's article announcing that Noah led the league this year in distance run per game, as tracked by SportVU, followed closely by Deng (who led the league last season). Thibsball requires so much activity in rotating, hedging, recovery, and closeouts that even at a slow pace they're expending the most energy on the court, and Tom's habit of playing his top players extended minutes seems bound to result in the sort of injury issues with which the Bulls have struggled by the end of the season and in the playoffs every year. Thibs and the medical staff also appear to breed a culture of playing hurt, as Noah, Deng, and Taj have each come back from foot and leg injuries just to hobble around the court in obvious pain in recent weeks. I hope that next season Thibs can adapt his warrior philosophy and substitution patterns to better fit the reality that playoff games are a lot more important than regular season ones.

Yesterday, Noah said it was his fault he's hurt now. That he rushed back too many times from injury.

“I mean, I have a tear in my foot,” Noah said before pausing. “I’m upset at myself because I let this linger for a long time and I have no one to blame but myself. I just wish I was a little bit smarter. I played games in the regular season that I probably shouldn’t have played, and it’s going to be tough. But these are the cards I was dealt.’’


On the other hand, we have this quote from Thibs:

“We don’t want anyone to play who is injured. At this time of the year, there are a lot of guys that are hurting that will play, but if a guy is injured we don’t want him out there.’’


WTF?!?!?! But it's ok for them to play during the regular season when hurt? He might have considered telling this to Noah, Gibson, Deng or Hinrich at any point the last 2 seasons. I'm sure he's differentiating between "hurt" and "injured", but still.

   802. The Ghost fouled out, but stays in the game Posted: April 20, 2013 at 03:31 PM (#4420456)
Boston takes the lead at the 1Q buzzer.

Thankfully, Jeff Green got on Carmelo. He started hot, then cooled off.
   803. Fear is Moses Taylor's Bacon Bits Posted: April 20, 2013 at 03:36 PM (#4420465)
Oh, and Rose is officially out for Game 1 today, but the Bulls still won't rule him out for the series and/or playoffs.
   804. The Ghost fouled out, but stays in the game Posted: April 20, 2013 at 03:45 PM (#4420481)
What's the local opinion on Rose, Moses? Is it in his head?
   805. PJ Martinez Posted: April 20, 2013 at 04:04 PM (#4420504)
I love this version of Jeff Green.
   806. Fear is Moses Taylor's Bacon Bits Posted: April 20, 2013 at 04:05 PM (#4420509)
It's probably split 50/50. No one is really coming out and criticizing him that strongly, but considering how highly he's thought of even this mild criticism is new here. The Bulls haven't done anything to really throw him under the bus, they put on some initial pressure when he was first supposedly cleared to play nearly 2 months ago. He helped stoke the fire by sitting on the bench for a game (but he only did that once). I think it is in his head, as I'm inclined to believe he should be playing - from the time of the injury until now they've always said the last step of rehab was playing. I don't hold it against him for not playing in the playoffs; if he was going to play this year that should have happened by now. I just worry the first month of next season is going to be bad as he gets back to playing form. Wish that could have happened this season when it doesn't matter as much.
   807. Squash Posted: April 20, 2013 at 04:16 PM (#4420526)
Warriors back in the playoffs! It's like a once a decade holiday for W's fans.
   808. AROM Posted: April 20, 2013 at 05:19 PM (#4420599)
Jason Kidd having a great game, getting his hands on everything. He's a true hero to the old, bald, and white.
   809. PJ Martinez Posted: April 20, 2013 at 05:32 PM (#4420609)
Turns out that version of Jeff Green only had one half in him. Oh well.
   810. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: April 20, 2013 at 05:35 PM (#4420611)
Correct. The percentages are just the percentage of people who picked them. It's not trying to predict the actual likelihood.

Do you have a breakdown of the predicted lengths of each series by the group? If you do, I may be able to turn that into projected title odds for everyone. (I could go through the thread and pick it out myself, but that would take longer.)
   811. Famous Original Joe C Posted: April 20, 2013 at 05:53 PM (#4420628)
[808] Uh, white?
   812. AROM Posted: April 20, 2013 at 06:11 PM (#4420652)
Joe, yeah, I understand he's biracial. But he looks white enough.
   813. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 06:45 PM (#4420696)
Javale McGee is incredible. In the truest sense of that word.
   814. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:19 PM (#4420717)
Warriors back in the playoffs! It's like a once a decade holiday for W's fans.


I have nothing against Warriors fans, but I have an odd hatred of the organization because their last playoff team was the whiniest team I've ever seen and then they went above and beyond acceptable tanking IMO last year. I guess this still isn't as weird as my Nets hate though...
   815. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:25 PM (#4420722)
I have nothing against Warriors fans, but I have an odd hatred of the organization because their last playoff team was the whiniest team I've ever seen and then they went above and beyond acceptable tanking IMO last year. I guess this still isn't as weird as my Nets hate though...

Do you also derive pleasure from kicking sick puppies?
   816. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: April 20, 2013 at 08:03 PM (#4420749)
Edit: Wrong thread.
   817. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: April 20, 2013 at 08:06 PM (#4420752)
This is the most embarrassing thing in history.

Jerry just let the crowd sing for the love of god.
   818. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 08:09 PM (#4420756)
Andre Miller. What a ####### game.
   819. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 20, 2013 at 08:12 PM (#4420762)
Nuggets got 49 points from their bench, 48 from their starters.
   820. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 20, 2013 at 09:16 PM (#4420813)
Do you also derive pleasure from kicking sick puppies?


Only if they're named Warrior.
   821. Srul Itza Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:00 PM (#4420850)
Without Rose, and with a limited Noah, I don't see how this series isn't wrapped up in a hurry.
   822. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:04 PM (#4420854)
I didn't expect rose back, but I thought Noah would be okay to go. I based my series prediction on Noah's health. If he can't go, then Chicago's going to have a rough series, and perhaps a short one.
   823. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:45 PM (#4420881)
Someone smarter than me, is there any way to take all of the predictions posted and roll them up into one aggregate BTF Postseason Projection that averages everything out? Not sure if I'm making sense.

OK, here's what I came up with...

I added up the results of the 19 predictions in the thread based on W-L record and schedule played. (So the Bucks went 3-76, entirely against the Heat, the Rockets went 16-76, entirely against the Thunder, and the Heat went 302-86, against a compilation of a whole lot of teams.) I then turned those records into team strength ratings, which are interpreted as follows:

W% (Team 1 in a game against Team 2) = (Team 1 rating) / (Team 1 rating + Team 2 rating)

The ratings:
MIA 29.47
OKC 18.99
MEM 11.22
SAS 10.58
IND 10.08
LAC 9.46
NYK 8.89
DEN 8.61
BOS 7.49
CHI 6.21
LAL 5.12
BRO 5.04
ATL 4.96
GSW 4.43
HOU 4.00
MIL 1.16

Obviously these are static ratings which don't take matchups into account or anything. They seem not completely unreasonable to me, but I'll leave those of you who know basketball much better than I do to dissect them if you so choose. (Memphis in the 3 spot jumped out to me, but more in a "that's interesting" way than a "that's clearly wrong" way.)

Anyway, it's no giant step to take projected single-game winning percentages and turn them into projected series winning percentages. Miami has a 99.99% chance to beat the Bucks... this may be a touch extreme. The other first round odds:

NYK over BOS 59%
IND over ATL 83%
CHI over BRO 61%

OKC over HOU 98%
SAS over LAL 84%
DEN over GSW 82%
MEM over LAC 59%

Odds to make the conference finals:
MIA 98%
OKC 77%
SAS 55%
IND 50%
DEN 37%
NYK 29%
BOS 16%
MEM 15%
Everyone else under 10% (LAC 8, LAL 5, ATL 4, GSW 3, CHI 1, BRO, HOU, and MIL all .5 or less)

Odds to make the finals:
MIA 92%
OKC 64%
SAS 15%
MEM 9%
DEN 7%
Everyone else under 5% (IND 4, LAC 4, NYK 2, BOS 1, others .5 or less)

Odds to win the title:
MIA 74%
OKC 20%
Everyone else under 5% (SAS 2, IND 1, MEM 1, others less than 1)

That's extremely top-heavy, obviously - but then, the picks were extremely top-heavy, with the Heat winning in 18 of the 19 submissions. Anyway, take it for what it's worth, which is not a huge amount.
   824. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:39 PM (#4420909)
Chauncy Billups is doing his Mr. Big Shot routine again.
   825. Spivey Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:03 AM (#4420917)
That's extremely top-heavy, obviously - but then, the picks were extremely top-heavy, with the Heat winning in 18 of the 19 submissions. Anyway, take it for what it's worth, which is not a huge amount.


Because the picks are top heavy, I don't know how meaningful it is. Specifically in the West. OKC is a strong favorite because they are the best team, but if they're a 70% favorite over LAC/MEM, then they're likely to get a lot more than 70% of the vote.
   826. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2013 at 01:15 AM (#4420931)
Eric Bledsoe has turned this game around seemingly all by himself.

Well, himself and the bench. 49 for the Clipper bench mob.
   827. RollingWave Posted: April 21, 2013 at 01:43 AM (#4420935)
Oh, and Rose is officially out for Game 1 today, but the Bulls still won't rule him out for the series and/or playoffs. the 3 games remaining in the Bulls' season


Fixed
   828. Booey Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:00 AM (#4420939)
Eric J - Sorry I couldn't save you some time by getting you the pick breakdowns. I was gone most of the day and didn't get home until well after your results were tallied. But thanks for doing the homework on that. That was interesting to see.
   829. Booey Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:17 AM (#4420942)
I have nothing against Warriors fans, but I have an odd hatred of the organization because their last playoff team was the whiniest team I've ever seen and then they went above and beyond acceptable tanking IMO last year.


I completely agreed with all that earlier this year and was rooting against them for those exact two reasons (plus a third obvious reason - their sleeved jerseys are the stupidest looking uni's in the league). Hate to say it though, but they've kinda grown on me a bit throughout the season. They've been a fun team to watch the handful of times I've seen them, and Steph Curry is quickly becoming one of my favorite non Jazz players. He's like a less fugly version of prime Reggie.

So here's hoping Warriors fans have a team worth enjoying for years to come.

(But if management decides to blow it up and trade Curry to the Jazz for pennies on the dollar, I won't hold it against you).
   830. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:48 AM (#4420945)
David Lee has a right hip flexor strain:
The Warriors announced that X-rays were negative and Lee would have an MRI on Sunday.
They can't afford to lose him.
   831. Famous Original Joe C Posted: April 21, 2013 at 03:08 PM (#4421305)
AROM - figured as much and agreed, just double checking.
   832. Famous Original Joe C Posted: April 21, 2013 at 03:12 PM (#4421311)
Lee is out for the playoffs, according to ESPN. So, four more games assuming Curry seals one in Oakland.
   833. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2013 at 03:59 PM (#4421369)
Lakers still shooting in the mid-30% without Bryant, only this time they're not able to drag the Spurs down with them. Could be a rough first game.
   834. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4421393)
D12 flexing his size down low. The Lakers rally a little with their defense. If Meeks can't shoot because of his back, Nash is going to need to pick up the slack.

Parker seems to be moving well today.
   835. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2013 at 04:24 PM (#4421410)
Spurs knock down down some open 3s. Lakers can't an respond. They really need someone to come up big from long range to keep up with the Spurs.

Gasol should probably not be guarding Parker away from the basket.
   836. puck Posted: April 21, 2013 at 04:58 PM (#4421464)
WaPo story on what Allen Iverson's been up to since he stopped playing. Answer: not much, and he's doing about as well as you thought he might be. Sad story.
   837. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2013 at 05:17 PM (#4421481)
Kobe Bryant ?@kobebryant
This game has a "steal one" written all over it for us
   838. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2013 at 05:20 PM (#4421483)
Not so much with the "steal one." Spurs jack the lead back up to double figures with Manu going on a 5-point spurt.

EDIT: Make that 8 points in a row for Manu for the Spurs.
   839. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2013 at 05:23 PM (#4421485)
The Lakers down 13 after 3. They've done a ferocious job on defense, but the Spurs are living on the line now and LAL just doesn't have the offensive diversity to make a sustained push offensively. They desperately need some 3s to fall for them, and that isn't happening yet to day.
   840. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2013 at 05:45 PM (#4421501)
The Spurs are hitting their 3s now, and it's no contest. Both teams can play defense, but only San Antonio can score.
   841. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: April 21, 2013 at 06:12 PM (#4421515)
the Iverson story saddens me
   842. robinred Posted: April 21, 2013 at 06:22 PM (#4421519)
This was a very simple roster construction loss, in that the Lakers simply don't have the talent on the perimeter to score enough to win consistently without Kobe. Pau is still pretty good, but he is almost 33 with a ton of mileage. Howard is an excellent overall two-way player, but he isn't Shaq or The Captain on the blocks. Nash is still pretty good but he is 39. Blake is doing everything he can and has played very well in the 3 games, but he is 32, plus he's Steve Blake.

The team D looks a fair bit better; Kobe was really compromising it. But they have failed to break 91 points in regulation since Kobe went down and today's 40% shooting is the highest mark that they have had in the 3 Mambaless games.

Small sample size, yes--but the NBA is also in some ways a what-you-see-is-what-you-get deal.
   843. robinred Posted: April 21, 2013 at 06:26 PM (#4421522)
   844. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 06:41 PM (#4421533)
Kobe twitter thing getting awkward. He was implying the Lakers didn't go to the post enough during the game and D'antoni was asked a question about it in the presser. D'antoni responded by rolling his eyes and referring to Kobe as a "fan" and Kobe is now tweeting that what D'antoni said was disrespectful but excusing it as a result of "nerves."
   845. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: April 21, 2013 at 06:53 PM (#4421541)
Not sure this was noted, but Karl deserves a lot of credit for sitting Faried in G1. That will pay dividends over the next few weeks.

A lot of coaches might have been tempted in the 2nd half, because GS just killed the Nuggets on the offensive glass.

That's a roundabout way of saying that Lee's injury is a huge blow for the Warriors.

I think it goes 5 now.
   846. Spivey Posted: April 21, 2013 at 07:13 PM (#4421550)
Memphis was badly, badly outplayed by the Clippers last night. Just terrible team rebounding, and their guards and wings were awful.
   847. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: April 21, 2013 at 07:35 PM (#4421564)
Kobe twitter thing getting awkward. He was implying the Lakers didn't go to the post enough during the game and D'antoni was asked a question about it in the presser. D'antoni responded by rolling his eyes and referring to Kobe as a "fan" and Kobe is now tweeting that what D'antoni said was disrespectful but excusing it as a result of "nerves."

Twitter sucks.
   848. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: April 21, 2013 at 08:17 PM (#4421604)
Twitter sucks.


You've still got 126 characters available!
   849. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 09:09 PM (#4421678)
I really like John Henson's game.
   850. RollingWave Posted: April 21, 2013 at 10:51 PM (#4421805)
well the Rockets got off to a horrific start but did recover somewhat.
   851. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:05 PM (#4421818)
[850] I assume this was before the last 1.5 of the second quarter?
   852. PJ Martinez Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:11 PM (#4421823)
I think #844 proves that Twitter is great, which is not something I always believe, by any stretch.
   853. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:29 PM (#4421837)
D'antoni responded by rolling his eyes and referring to Kobe as a "fan" and Kobe is now tweeting that what D'antoni said was disrespectful but excusing it as a result of "nerves."

I remember reading once where Mike Brown said something along the lines of "Sometimes, Kobe allows me to coach him."

I am sure Kobe is a difficult guy to coach at times especially when you don't have the resume. Also, he has to know that people are going to take his comments as a slight to D'antoni.
   854. STEAGLES is all out of bubblegum Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:43 PM (#4421845)
I really like John Henson's game.
milwaukee pretty clearly does, too, considering that they have 3 of him (including sanders and udoh), plus one of their older, fatter, dumber cousins (dalembert).
   855. RollingWave Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:43 PM (#4421846)
Houston has continued their abysmal play to end the season into the playoffs haven't they.
   856. STEAGLES is all out of bubblegum Posted: April 22, 2013 at 12:08 AM (#4421855)
WaPo story on what Allen Iverson's been up to since he stopped playing. Answer: not much, and he's doing about as well as you thought he might be. Sad story.
the Iverson story saddens me
the relevant portion was here:

A person close to Iverson, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that half of the Reebok trust, established as Iverson’s rainy-day fund, was transferred to Tawanna as part of their divorce settlement.


more info here:
A person with a firm grip on the situation informs me Iverson has an account worth $32 million, a principal he is prohibited from touching until 55. In the meantime, it feeds him $1 million annually.


he has a lot of issues he needs to work out, and he won't live very long if he doesn't, but if he gets himself together, he'll be just fine.
   857. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 22, 2013 at 03:37 AM (#4421901)
Javale McGee is incredible. In the truest sense of that word.

I know that this is late but I just wanted to say I agree with this.
   858. Der-K, the bloodied charmer Posted: April 22, 2013 at 04:39 AM (#4421909)
Russlan, I inadvertantly clicked on your profile and have decided to now think that you're a nationally syndicated radio host.
   859. AROM Posted: April 22, 2013 at 08:41 AM (#4421951)
"he has a lot of issues he needs to work out, and he won't live very long if he doesn't, but if he gets himself together, he'll be just fine."

Money is an issue only in a relative sense. He can't blow as much now as when he was making a max contract. I imagine he'd have tremendous income opportunities if he wanted to. He could probably make 25k per day showing up at some sort of basketball camp/ meet and greet where he shows some kids a cross over dribble and then signs some sneakers. He could always get a Vegas job "being Allen Iverson".

But if he can't get his addiction in order and grow up a bit, that money will just be his enabler.
   860. robinred Posted: April 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM (#4422097)
As they did eight years ago when he was in retirement, the Cleveland Cavaliers have reached out to Phil Jackson about their head coach opening, sources told ESPN.com.

The Cavs, who fired coach Byron Scott last Thursday, have been in touch with Jackson to gauge his interest in returning to coaching and in their open position. Last week, ESPN reported Jackson is increasingly interested in a return to the NBA next season, preferably in a management capacity, after two years away from the game.

______________

They have also talked to Mike Brown. Hard for me to picture Jeannie Buss in Cleveland.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9198158/cleveland-cavaliers-reach-phil-jackson-open-coaching-position-sources-say


_________

I think there is *zero* chance that it will happen, but there has a been a little spec about "Le Return"--James going back to Cleveland. That would be quite a story.
   861. andrewberg Posted: April 22, 2013 at 01:03 PM (#4422209)
WRT Phil, I have been quietly hoping that he and the Kings both land in Seattle (with Phil as President of Ops or something) and they hire Brian Shaw to coach the team. There is talent on that roster, albeit rudderless, and providing a rudder is one thing Phil has always done well.

On the other hand, if he goes to Cleveland to lure Lebron back there, can you imagine the Irving-Lebron PNR?
   862. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 22, 2013 at 02:38 PM (#4422342)
Russlan, I inadvertantly clicked on your profile and have decided to now think that you're a nationally syndicated radio host.

Thank you?
   863. bob gee Posted: April 22, 2013 at 02:53 PM (#4422355)
yup, houston playing awful. liked part of mchale's plan (NOT pulling all his bigs, trying to get the ball to them) but playing a 7 man rotation in the first half, ugh. and he set up (i think) a backdoor cut for parsons out of a timeout, which is one of the few times it hasn't been "give the ball to harden up top" out of a TO.

beverley played quite well; lin awful on offense (and ok on defense, except for the time he tried to steal the ball on a pass to durant near the basket), and i'm not even thinking of his spot-up threes. smith looked confused...denver and okc were the two worst matches for the rox, and they got the better of those two teams.

ibaka's shot, combined with his shot blocking...a very nice combination. having him out on the floor enables the guards /forwards to play a little more aggressively on defense.
   864. smileyy Posted: April 22, 2013 at 03:05 PM (#4422367)
I know we've talked about the limits of on/off before, but I'm still a little confounded by Ibaka's (and Tyson Chandler's) relatively miniscule DRtg On/Off deltas, for players with such great defensive reps.

I can come up with a couple of possible conclusions:
(1) On/Off DRtg is horribly noisy as to be unable to draw conclusions from it, even for starters with regular rotations
(2) Ibaka and Chandler, while great shot blockers, don't actually have a huge effect on D
(3) Ibaka and Chandler are about as good as their backups, relatively speaking
(4) There's a hidden synergizing effect of overall +ORtg for their teams, as wings can slack off a bit on D and play harder on O -- they're great defenders, but it doesn't show up.

If I had to rate them in terms of likelihood, I'd probably say its a tossup between 2 and 3 as being most likely, followed by 1 and 4.

Edit: My case for 2 is that we seem to be learning more that team defense comes more from position, movement and communication, rather than individual plays that show up in the box score.
   865. Fourth True Outcome Posted: April 22, 2013 at 03:45 PM (#4422408)
Word is percolating around twitter that JR Smith has won the 6th man of the year award, and Marc Gasol has won Defensive Player of the Year.

Word is also going around that Luke Babbit and Jordan Crawford received (3rd place, I believe) votes for 6th man, so there's that too.
   866. Amit Posted: April 22, 2013 at 04:05 PM (#4422422)
Here are the 6th Man Award standings:
1. J.R. Smith, NYK 484 pts
2. Jamal Crawford, LAC 352
3. Jarrett Jack, GSW 170
4. Kevin Martin, OKC 31
5. Ryan Anderson, NOH 11
6. Andre Miller, DEN 7
7. Jordan Crawford, BOS 5
8. Manu Ginobli, SAS 4
8. Carl Landry, GSW 4
8. Nate Robinson, CHI 4
8. Corey Brewer, DEN 4

Also Receiving Votes: Ramon Sessions, Shane Battier, Luke Babbitt, Gordon Hayward, Vince Carter, J.J. Redick

NBA.com 6th Man Award
   867. Fourth True Outcome Posted: April 22, 2013 at 04:10 PM (#4422430)
So the Jordan Crawford vote is a misplaced Jamal Crawford vote, right? There's no way a guy given away for free at the trade deadline, no matter how wondrously herky-jerky his moves, gets that vote.
   868. Der-K, the bloodied charmer Posted: April 22, 2013 at 04:31 PM (#4422451)
862: I presume that you're not Russ Parr.

Carter deserved more than receiving votes. Hell, Amir Johnson has an argument to win the thing.

With Ibaka, part of the argument is that Collison is a really good defender and that Ibaka's blocks sometimes take him out of position, etc... - pretty much everything you're saying.
I haven't been on the Knicks that much, but I think injury is part of the story, partly luck-sample size, partly something else.
   869. smileyy Posted: April 22, 2013 at 04:39 PM (#4422461)
LeBron-mania:

His brutally efficient Game 1 performance earned him a 38.8 PER and .483 WS/48
In 14 games in the 2009 playoffs, he averaged a 37.4 PER and .399 WS/48
   870. Amit Posted: April 22, 2013 at 04:42 PM (#4422464)
So the Jordan Crawford vote is a misplaced Jamal Crawford vote, right? There's no way a guy given away for free at the trade deadline, no matter how wondrously herky-jerky his moves, gets that vote.
That would make sense. Jordan Crawford just had a single first place vote for his 5 points.
   871. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 22, 2013 at 04:54 PM (#4422477)
862: I presume that you're not Russ Parr.

Haha, that is actually the inspiration for my nickname and thus the email address.
   872. GregD Posted: April 22, 2013 at 04:56 PM (#4422482)
This video of DeJuan Blair's pregame ritual dance is pretty amusing
   873. Mark S. is bored Posted: April 22, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4422528)
Suns fire their GM before he can bring in anyone else from the Morris family

The Phoenix Suns on Monday afternoon announced they have parted ways with General Manager Lance Blanks
   874. STEAGLES is all out of bubblegum Posted: April 22, 2013 at 06:10 PM (#4422555)
Money is an issue only in a relative sense. He can't blow as much now as when he was making a max contract. I imagine he'd have tremendous income opportunities if he wanted to. He could probably make 25k per day showing up at some sort of basketball camp/ meet and greet where he shows some kids a cross over dribble and then signs some sneakers. He could always get a Vegas job "being Allen Iverson".

But if he can't get his addiction in order and grow up a bit, that money will just be his enabler.
the article read like a hit piece to me. it read like someone started with the conclusion and then worked their way back. i mean, why was the article written now? what's the news here? that iverson is broke? first, he's really not, but second, that hasn't been news for 2 or 3 years? or is it that he has substance abuse issues? again, that's not news. or, is it that he's hit rock bottom? it can't be that, because he hasn't admitted it himself? is the news here that he's on death's doorstep? well, scott hall has been there for a decade. hell, jake 'the snake' roberts has been days away from death for 35 years.


as far as i'm concerned, the only times i need to hear iverson's name again are if:
A - he dies
B - he gets clean and redeems himself in some way
C - he gets sent to jail
D - he gets into the hall of fame
E - he goes to the 15th/20th/25th anniversaries of the 2001 team that went to the NBA finals.


other than that, he's a private citizen at this point, and whether he makes the right choices or the wrong ones, he's entitled to do it out of the spotlight.
   875. PJ Martinez Posted: April 22, 2013 at 07:52 PM (#4422647)
That was not a hit piece. In fact, it was quite sympathetic. As for timing, seemed like the author had been reporting the story since Iverson's divorce, maybe (or from the time he was able to get court records from that divorce).

If you don't want to hear Iverson's name again, then don't read articles about him. Personally, I'm interested in keeping up with the guy even if he isn't making news. And the 15th anniversary of a team that lost in the Finals is hardly news.

Finally, while he's a private citizen, he's still a public figure, and on some level always will be.
   876. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: April 22, 2013 at 07:58 PM (#4422657)
[864] Tyson Chandler's numbers are affected by the fact that he typically plays with the Knicks' worst defenders. I would assume many great defensive players' numbers might be similarly affected.
   877. RollingWave Posted: April 22, 2013 at 08:56 PM (#4422761)
yup, houston playing awful. liked part of mchale's plan (NOT pulling all his bigs, trying to get the ball to them) but playing a 7 man rotation in the first half, ugh. and he set up (i think) a backdoor cut for parsons out of a timeout, which is one of the few times it hasn't been "give the ball to harden up top" out of a TO.

beverley played quite well; lin awful on offense (and ok on defense, except for the time he tried to steal the ball on a pass to durant near the basket), and i'm not even thinking of his spot-up threes. smith looked confused...denver and okc were the two worst matches for the rox, and they got the better of those two teams.


Yeah, the bench did ok, (mostly Delfino and Beverly), but everyone else was... eek, Lin was awful, one of his worst game maybe outside of the couple right after the trade deadline where he was playing with the flu because the guys from the Thomas Robinson trade haven't arrived so they were playing with a 9 man roster. His defense on Westbrook in the first quarter was good, but couldn't keep it up later on.

Harden was also pretty blah, 20 pts on 19 shots from a 1st option is not going to get it done. he also had some of the worst visible defense in the game, such as his man passing right in front of him, proceed to watch the ball and have it bounced immediately to the guy he was just guarding 2 seconds ago who's now already past him.

Asik / Parsons did ok... Parsons limited Durant about as much as you can reasonably hope for, while Asik didn't do terribly (granted, it was against Perkins)

So yeah, they need Harden and Lin to work well together and a Power forward, that's only been the question for the entire season ;)
   878. Booey Posted: April 22, 2013 at 10:24 PM (#4422875)
In 14 games in the 2009 playoffs, he averaged a 37.4 PER and .399 WS/48


But he didn't take home the title, thus he wasn't a winner.

Stats like the above are exactly why it's nonsensical to rank players based on rings, IMHO.
   879. puck Posted: April 22, 2013 at 10:33 PM (#4422890)
#875: I read the Iverson article that way, too. Now, what was reported wasn't surprising to me, but it was sad because there was no surprise. There definitely is something likeable about the guy, and I want him to do better.
   880. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 22, 2013 at 10:59 PM (#4422910)
That was not a hit piece. In fact, it was quite sympathetic. As for timing, seemed like the author had been reporting the story since Iverson's divorce, maybe (or from the time he was able to get court records from that divorce).
Me three on the "not a hit piece" opinion. The writer didn't attack Iverson on anything. The problem was that Iverson has provided nothing to cheer for since leaving the league.
   881. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: April 22, 2013 at 11:03 PM (#4422918)
And they Bulls manage to extend hope just a little bit longer.
   882. STEAGLES is all out of bubblegum Posted: April 23, 2013 at 01:19 AM (#4422985)
That was not a hit piece. In fact, it was quite sympathetic. As for timing, seemed like the author had been reporting the story since Iverson's divorce, maybe (or from the time he was able to get court records from that divorce).

If you don't want to hear Iverson's name again, then don't read articles about him. Personally, I'm interested in keeping up with the guy even if he isn't making news. And the 15th anniversary of a team that lost in the Finals is hardly news.

Finally, while he's a private citizen, he's still a public figure, and on some level always will be.
#875: I read the Iverson article that way, too. Now, what was reported wasn't surprising to me, but it was sad because there was no surprise. There definitely is something likeable about the guy, and I want him to do better.
Me three on the "not a hit piece" opinion. The writer didn't attack Iverson on anything. The problem was that Iverson has provided nothing to cheer for since leaving the league.

okay, let me restate my objection:

he wasn't in the article. it was an article about him, about his issues, but the article itself was akin to a black hole. it talked about iverson, but not with iverson, and to me, that means there's no purpose for it. he wasn't arrested, he didn't die, he's not homeless and living under a bridge. there was no precipitating event that necessitated the publishing of the article. and if someone wants to write an article about iverson's issues, i expect them to talk with iverson on the record, about his issues. otherwise, again, there's no purpose for it.



also, from back in october:
maybe it's not quite 50/50 whether wright plays better than iguoadla this year, but if we judge them by various categories:

PER, TS%, O-rating, D-rating, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, STL%, MPG, and PPG.

i'd say TS%, TRB%, and BLK% are in the bag for wright.
i'd say that AST% and MPG are in the bag for iguodala.
but the rest, PER, O-rating, D-rating, STL%, and PPG could go either way.

i'm sure this sounds like heresy, but iguodala in the here and now seems to be an example of someone who is so underrated that he's overrated.

with the season over, here's how the two stack up:
wright: 16.0 PER, .551 TS%, 112 O-rating, 105 D-rating, 9.6 TRB%, 13 AST%, 1.5 BLK%, 1.8 STL%, 22 MPG, 9 PPG
iguodala: 15.2 PER, .521 TS%, 105 O-rating, 105 D-rating, 8.5 TRB%, 22 AST%, 1.5 BLK%, 2.4 STL%, 34 MPG, 13 PPG

and FWIW, dorell wright had 4.9 win shares in 1700 minutes on a #### team, whereas iguodala had 5.6 winshares in 2700 minutes on a team that won 56 games.
   883. Maxwn Posted: April 23, 2013 at 01:36 AM (#4422988)
Well, this series is gonna kill me.
   884. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 23, 2013 at 01:42 AM (#4422989)
From 82games.com:
Iguodala PER: 16.0
Opponent PER: 11.8
On/Off Net:
Denver Offense: +0.8 per 100
Denver Defense: -4.7 per 100

Wright: 16.9 PER
Opponent PER: 14.9
On/Off Net:
Philly Offense: -1.2 per 100
Philly Defense: +3.2 per 100

Wright looks like he was a nice addition, but really there's still no comparison between him and Iggy. Still, I like seeing a more STEAGLES like post in the thread again.

   885. robinred Posted: April 23, 2013 at 01:50 AM (#4422990)
Well, this series is gonna kill me.


Seeing your team lose multiple NBA Playoff series (And the Grizzlies have not lost yet, of course. They are certainly capable of winning two at home and getting back in this.) to the same disliked opponent is always, uhh, unpleasant, and generally results in numerous fans of the losing squad really starting to hate said opponent. I would guess that a fair number of Grizz fans would call the Clippers their least favorite team even now, and certainly will if the Clippers beat them again.

It is just good fun for the rest of us (I am rooting for Memphis, FWIW--go Gasols).
   886. robinred Posted: April 23, 2013 at 01:53 AM (#4422991)
"To tweet or not to tweet.. I CHOOSE not 2," Bryant wrote to his more than 2.2 million followers Monday. "Focus should be on the team not my insight. @georgelopez voice 'Can't DO nothin!' #vinospeare"




   887. Maxwn Posted: April 23, 2013 at 02:21 AM (#4422995)
robin, part of it is also that I'm not really convinced that the Clippers are really that much better than the Grizzlies in the abstract, but I am increasingly convinced that they are the single worst match-up in the entire West for this Grizzlies team. So it is super annoying to see a team that is probably good enough to make a run catch the same ####### team that gives them all sorts of problems in the first round 2 years running.

I think I'd rather be playing OKC right now.
   888. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 23, 2013 at 04:21 AM (#4423000)
Maxwn: Your pain. I feel it.
   889. Booey Posted: April 23, 2013 at 11:12 AM (#4423195)
robin, part of it is also that I'm not really convinced that the Clippers are really that much better than the Grizzlies in the abstract, but I am increasingly convinced that they are the single worst match-up in the entire West for this Grizzlies team. So it is super annoying to see a team that is probably good enough to make a run catch the same ####### team that gives them all sorts of problems in the first round 2 years running.


That's pretty much how I felt about the 2008-2010 Jazz/Lakers matchups. Not that the Lakers weren't legitimately better, cuz they were, obviously, but I don't think it was quite the mismatch it looked. LAL was just a nightmare matchup for the Jazz. One of Utah's biggest weaknesses was the subpar D from their bigs - Boozer, Okur, Millsap - and no other team had the personel (Gasol, Odom, Bynum) to exploit that weakness nearly to the extent that the Lakers did. The Jazz barely even put up a fight in 2009 and 2010 while teams that weren't any better IMO (2009 Rockets and Nuggets, 2010 Thunder and Suns) all took LA to 6 or 7. I've always thought that falling into the same bracket as the Lakers ended up kicking the Jazz out of the playoffs a full round earlier than their talent level deserved 3 straight seasons.

So I feel ya, man. I'm rooting for your boys.
   890. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 23, 2013 at 11:29 AM (#4423209)

The Phoenix Suns on Monday afternoon announced they have parted ways with General Manager Lance Blanks


Why were the Suns being managed by a porn star?
   891. andrewberg Posted: April 23, 2013 at 12:27 PM (#4423276)
How much would Millsap move the needle for Houston? He fits a need and seems to have some of the tools they'd like in a PF. On the other hand, does he impove them enough to be worth sacrificing their flexibility?
   892. Manny Coon Posted: April 23, 2013 at 12:50 PM (#4423300)
robin, part of it is also that I'm not really convinced that the Clippers are really that much better than the Grizzlies in the abstract, but I am increasingly convinced that they are the single worst match-up in the entire West for this Grizzlies team. So it is super annoying to see a team that is probably good enough to make a run catch the same ####### team that gives them all sorts of problems in the first round 2 years running.


Just imagine if the Clippers had a real coach. VDN's personnel management was just a train wreck last night, especially in the fourth quarter, he's just lucky Paul is as good as good as he is. Del Negro reminds me of Mike Brown when he was with the Cavs, he does ok most the time because his star players are good and he lets them do their thing, but when the stakes get higher and margins get smaller, it becomes much more obvious he's lacking compared to the best coaches.
   893. robinred Posted: April 23, 2013 at 12:51 PM (#4423302)
Millsap is good, but obviously, Houston needs to wait until Howard decides what he is going to do.
   894. robinred Posted: April 23, 2013 at 12:52 PM (#4423303)
Del Negro reminds me of Mike Brown

I said on a Lakers board a couple of months ago that absent the veto, I think Brown would still be coaching in Los Angeles and Del Negro wouldn't.
   895. andrewberg Posted: April 23, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4423425)
Millsap is good, but obviously, Houston needs to wait until Howard decides what he is going to do.


Right. Houston should pursue Howard and Paul before anything else, but I don't think they will get either, and if they want to use some of their resources this summer, he seems like a better fit than Pau or Josh Smith.
   896. Der-K, the bloodied charmer Posted: April 23, 2013 at 02:15 PM (#4423455)
Dunlap out in Charlotte.
   897. Amit Posted: April 23, 2013 at 02:39 PM (#4423493)
Paul George wins the NBA Most Improved Player Award, ahead of Greivis Vasquez, Larry Sanders, Nikola Vucevic, and Jrue Holiday. Over 30 players received votes from the 120 voters, including Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, James Harden, and Stephen Curry. Even Lance Stephenson and Robin Lopez picked up votes!

Most Improved Player Votes (NBA.com)
   898. Booey Posted: April 23, 2013 at 02:43 PM (#4423501)
Millsap is good, but obviously, Houston needs to wait until Howard decides what he is going to do.


I'm hoping the Jazz can at least do a sign and trade for him (or preferably Jefferson) so they don't lose him/them for nothing. But I'm not sure how that works under the new CBA.

Speaking of free agents, are there any PG's out there that would even be worth it for the Jazz to pursue? I'm not including the Paul types that we'd have no shot at.
   899. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: April 23, 2013 at 02:44 PM (#4423504)
Dunlap out in Charlotte.

The Bobcats would have won 8 or 9 games if their winning percentage from the lockout season was extrapolated to an 82 game season. They won 21 in 2013. Now, when you are re-building wins are not the most important thing. But to fire a guy after one season where there looks to be improvement really looks like Jordan has no clue what he's doing right now. Dunlap might not be right for the job but if he's not he should not have been fired in the first place.
   900. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 23, 2013 at 02:44 PM (#4423507)
Dunlap out in Charlotte.
I'm sure Jordan knows what he's doing.
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