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Thursday, April 03, 2014

OT: NBA Monthly Thread - April 2014

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, but with our own thread, we won’t detract from what this site is really about, which I forgot.

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The District Attorney Posted: April 03, 2014 at 05:26 PM | 2387 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1301. It's a shame about Athletic Supporter Posted: May 08, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4703098)
no really, flip
   1302. Publius Publicola Posted: May 08, 2014 at 09:06 PM (#4703148)
That wasn't a foul on Johnson. Wade jumped into him.
   1303. GregD Posted: May 08, 2014 at 09:07 PM (#4703150)
   1304. King Mekong Posted: May 08, 2014 at 09:32 PM (#4703162)
Don't mess with Texas.
   1305. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 08, 2014 at 09:34 PM (#4703164)
Ray Allen led the Heat in rebounds today - wonder how long it's been since he's done that.
   1306. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: May 08, 2014 at 10:14 PM (#4703177)
Deron Williams didn't score a single point today. That's not good.
   1307. Publius Publicola Posted: May 08, 2014 at 10:18 PM (#4703181)
Garnett played a nice 4th quarter though.
   1308. Publius Publicola Posted: May 08, 2014 at 10:18 PM (#4703182)
Darren Williams has not aged well.
   1309. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: May 08, 2014 at 10:32 PM (#4703186)
Spurs :: Blazers
Hot knife :: Butter
   1310. rr Posted: May 08, 2014 at 10:52 PM (#4703192)
I had a complete Beavis and Butthead initial reaction to this:

Doc: 'Hard' if Shelly Sterling retains Clippers

   1311. Booey Posted: May 08, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4703197)
#1310 - Heh. I still giggle whenever the analysts mention penetration.

I've told my wife to put me out of my misery if I ever grow up.

   1312. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: May 08, 2014 at 11:20 PM (#4703200)
My wife always giggles when she hears phrases like "stuffs it in with one hand." That makes me so happy.
   1313. Big Ears Teddy shouldn't see TFTIO Posted: May 08, 2014 at 11:24 PM (#4703202)
You know I'm out of it when I hear the name "Leonard" and I think, man, the Spurs are getting useful minutes out of Voshon Lenard? They really are running some kind of witching factory down there.
   1314. smileyy Posted: May 09, 2014 at 12:27 AM (#4703206)
Chris Paul and Tim Duncan (both out of Wake Forest) got me thinking -- which schools have produced the most NBA win shares without winning an NCAA title? Without a national championship game appearance? Without a Final Four?
   1315. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: May 09, 2014 at 12:48 AM (#4703209)
Do you guys think Garnett will retire after this year?
   1316. theboyqueen Posted: May 09, 2014 at 01:03 AM (#4703210)
1314: Some schools that come to mind without knowing how to look this up --

LSU (Pettit, Shaq, Maravich, Chris Jackson...)
St. Johns (Mullin, Artest, Paultz, Mark Jackson...)
Houston (Elvin Hayes, Drexler, Olajuwon, Birdsong...)
   1317. Maxwn Posted: May 09, 2014 at 01:39 AM (#4703214)
Chris Paul and Tim Duncan (both out of Wake Forest) got me thinking -- which schools have produced the most NBA win shares without winning an NCAA title? Without a national championship game appearance? Without a Final Four?

I think its probably LSU for the first two questions. They've got a slight lead on Wake through the top 3 mins guys. Duncan's got 10 on Shaq but Bob Petit has about 20 on Paul at the moment. Then Bogues and Pistol Pete are pretty close, Muggsy has about 8 on Maravich. And LSU has more guys total 34 to 28. It's close at the top though so it could go either way I think. I'm thinking it will be Wake easily by the end of Paul's career. Also, LSU apparently claims some supposed national title from the 30s but I ignored that since it predates the NBA and the tournament and is probably mostly bullshit anyway.

I think it might be Louisiana Tech for the last question. They only have 6 tourney appearances total and none farther than the Sweet 16. And Karl Malone goes a long way if you're totaling up win shares. They have a couple other guys with decent totals too.

This was pretty quick and dirty though. I don't know how to check it systematically on basketballreference so I was just spot-checking guys near the top of the leaderboard. I figure for a school to top one of those lists they will need somebody or a couple somebodys pretty far up the list. I definitely could have missed somebody obvious.

   1318. Maxwn Posted: May 09, 2014 at 01:52 AM (#4703216)
1316: Houston looks pretty damn possible. I think Elvin Hayes, Hakeem and Clyde have nearly 420 between them, which makes them the clubhouse leader at the moment I think. and they have 29 players total. They'd be my bet now, I think.

You can see the list here, sadly, WS isn't conveniently displayed and I'm not going to add them all up by hand:

Houston NBA Players

St. John's is possible, I guess. They have 50 players. Their top few in MP are trailing some of these others substantially though.
   1319. rr Posted: May 09, 2014 at 02:10 AM (#4703218)
Do you guys think Garnett will retire after this year?


I of course am only speculating, but no. He is under contract for 14/15, and after the bad start, the set-up worked out OK. Plumlee and Blatche are good enough that Garnett can rest a lot, and he remains a pretty effective player on a pretty good team. If Miami goes into Brooklyn and wipes them out two more times, I would guess that Garnett will think about quitting but will ultimately come back. Duncan and Nowitzki are still playing; Bryant is going to try to play next year. I think Garnett will play as well.
   1320. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: May 09, 2014 at 09:46 AM (#4703296)
I only saw it for the first (also 2nd through 75th) time last night, but I'm already tired of this Jeep commercial with the Michael Jackson song.
   1321. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: May 09, 2014 at 10:14 AM (#4703322)
St. John's = 315K minutes (plus some oldsters where that's not available) v. Houston 288K minutes.

In the same ballpark, Georgia Tech (303k minutes; 13 players with >10K minute careers - well more than any of the other schools discussed). None of those careers began before '87 - Cremins had quite a run of producing pros...

As for non-F4 programs, Clemson has produced a bunch of good big men (the big five being: Horace Grant, Nance, Dale Davis, Elden Campbell, Tree Rollins) worth 190K minutes. A more balanced program that has produced less "bulk" without a F4 appearance is BYU (136k minutes).

I'm sure there's some schools that produced a bunch of good guys in the wayback as well.
   1322. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: May 09, 2014 at 11:36 AM (#4703430)
So, uh, what has Steve Kerr done that makes him everyone's wonderboy? As a Warriors fan, I'll take Van Gundy or even Hoiberg instead. Hoiberg especially seems like a basketball savant to me and, if the Warriors are adamant about giving a guy his first NBA shot, I'd much rather him than Kerr.
   1323. Big Ears Teddy shouldn't see TFTIO Posted: May 09, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4703511)
I really wanted Hoiberg in Minnesota, but I'd accept him in Oakland.
   1324. rr Posted: May 09, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4703626)
So, uh, what has Steve Kerr done that makes him everyone's wonderboy


Kerr is by most accounts exceptionally articulate and personable, seems to be intelligent, and he has been associated with a lot of great teams. Obviously, we don't know what kind of coach he would make, but I can see why teams would think about him.

As to The Mayor, he has a 10-year deal with Iowa State, they supposedly just upped his deal to 2.6M a year, and the buyout if he goes to the NBA is 500K. So he would have to want to coach in the NBA pretty damn bad to bail right now.

George Karl just made a public statement to the effect that he is interested in coaching again--not coincidentally right after Jackson got fired.
   1325. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: May 09, 2014 at 03:39 PM (#4703632)
George Karl just made a public statement to the effect that he is interested in coaching again--not coincidentally right after Jackson got fired.

I could see why he'd want his hands on that roster, but we've already done the Karl thing! A 500K buyout just tells me Hoiberg can leave any time he wants. That's not going to mean anything to him or an NBA team. I definitely think he's a dark horse for the job for a lot of reasons. Everything I'm hearing from the Warriors' blogs is that Kerr is by far their first choice as he has ties to the area and he has known people in the organization for many years. So...I guess it's up to Steve Kerr at this point unless Dolan backs up a garbage truck full of money, as I assume Steve Kerr is not made of stone.
   1326. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: May 09, 2014 at 03:41 PM (#4703636)
George Karl just made a public statement to the effect that he is interested in coaching again--not coincidentally right after Jackson got fired.
Speaking of which...
The veteran coach said Wednesday that he'd like to "get back in the gym," and that "Mitch will probably give me a phone conversation along the way."

"I would love the opportunity to probably talk to people, when they think I'm a person they should be talking to," Karl said of the Lakers' opening, along with potential spots in New York, Golden State and Detroit.
I love George Karl. I want this to happen.
   1327. rr Posted: May 09, 2014 at 03:46 PM (#4703639)
A 500K buyout just tells me Hoiberg can leave any time he wants.


Sure, but he would be walking away from a situation in which he is revered and is guaranteed $26M for sticking around. Hoiberg is only 41; I would bet money that he will coach in the NBA someday. But I would guess that he would like to try get Iowa State to the Final Four and do stuff like that first for a few years before he tries the NBA.

This article gives the writer's opinions on the roles of culture and race in the Mark Jackson firing, and has drawn a lot of attention for being well thought-out even if you don't agree with it. I was reluctant to link to it since I am leery of politicizing the NBA talk, but it seems relevant: link
   1328. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: May 09, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4703648)
Sure, but he would be walking away from a situation in which he is revered and is guaranteed $26M for sticking around. Hoiberg is only 41; I would bet money that he will coach in the NBA someday. But I would guess that he would like to try get Iowa State to the Final Four and do stuff like that first for a few years before he tries the NBA.

It's always hard to know what constitutes a dream job for different people. In most cases, moving on from Iowa St is a no-brainer - there's pleny of NCAA jobs much better than that, not to mention the NBA. But like you said, it's different for him there. You never know if he'll ever be as hot of a candidate again (same thing for Kevin Ollie - in fact, all of this applies to him as well, if not moreso). I personally can no longer fault any coach for picking one job over another, even if it doesn't make sense to me. Having said all that, I think he *should* jump at an NBA chance now.
   1329. rr Posted: May 09, 2014 at 04:03 PM (#4703660)
Sure, I may be dead wrong about Hoiberg. But like I said, I think he'd need to want the NBA really bad right now to make the jump at this time. The buyout if he jumps to another NCAA job is $2M.
   1330. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: May 09, 2014 at 04:05 PM (#4703663)
Hoiberg is The Mayor. I hope he stays at Iowa State.

1327: I was going to link to that as well (h/t Pelton) ... it's a bit all over the place, but I agree with much of it.
   1331. It's a shame about Athletic Supporter Posted: May 09, 2014 at 10:20 PM (#4703813)
This game is, again, completely unwatchable.
   1332. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: May 09, 2014 at 10:23 PM (#4703814)
I was just going to say the same thing. I'm not even really watching it, it's just tucked into a corner of my screen but... I can't believe these are playoff teams. Nothing but bricks.
   1333. It's a shame about Athletic Supporter Posted: May 09, 2014 at 10:25 PM (#4703816)
I was just going to say the same thing. I'm not even really watching it, it's just tucked into a corner of my screen but... I can't believe these are playoff teams. Nothing but bricks.


Well, sometimes there are turnovers.
   1334. Manny Coon Posted: May 09, 2014 at 10:34 PM (#4703828)
So was Andrew Bynum poisoning Roy Hibbert or something like that?
   1335. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: May 09, 2014 at 11:55 PM (#4703881)
Chris Paul! From a different area code! What a great first half of basketball!
   1336. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 10, 2014 at 12:09 AM (#4703891)
The Clippers have as many points at halftime as the Wizards did at the end of the game.
   1337. It's a shame about Athletic Supporter Posted: May 10, 2014 at 12:15 AM (#4703897)
lol perkins
   1338. It's a shame about Athletic Supporter Posted: May 10, 2014 at 12:28 AM (#4703903)
Is the crowd chanting "Yankees suck?"
   1339. Spivey Posted: May 10, 2014 at 01:12 AM (#4703907)
Blake Griffin is such a ####.
   1340. Spivey Posted: May 10, 2014 at 01:13 AM (#4703908)
Jesus Westbrook and Durant are absolute bad asses.
   1341. theboyqueen Posted: May 10, 2014 at 01:15 AM (#4703909)
If Adam Silver started fining people for flops like that Blake nonsense he would be the greatest sports commissioner ever.
   1342. Spivey Posted: May 10, 2014 at 01:17 AM (#4703910)
Westbrook seems to swear like an absolute sailor on the court.
   1343. JJ1986 Posted: May 10, 2014 at 10:19 PM (#4704277)
NBA video reviews take a ridiculously long amount of time. Especially for things like flagrant fouls which are never going to have a definitive answer.
   1344. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: May 11, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4704531)
How the #### was that not a foul? It happened in full view of the baseline referee.
   1345. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: May 11, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4704536)
It's hard to win a game when the other team doesn't miss any shots.
   1346. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: May 11, 2014 at 06:13 PM (#4704608)
This Clipper comeback is epic.
   1347. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: May 11, 2014 at 06:18 PM (#4704611)
That was a legendary defensive performance by Paul. Amazing game. Wow.
   1348. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2014 at 07:15 PM (#4704620)
The Western Conference playoffs are so damn awesome. This is a great, great series.
   1349. tshipman Posted: May 11, 2014 at 07:35 PM (#4704625)
All I can say about that game, with Durant missing the FT after his bullshit rip move is, Ball don't lie.
   1350. Publius Publicola Posted: May 11, 2014 at 09:13 PM (#4704658)
Everybody's focused on Hibbert and his poor play but has anyone noticed how badly Scola has declined? He's getting his ass kicked by Al Harrington.
   1351. Publius Publicola Posted: May 11, 2014 at 09:19 PM (#4704661)
Chuckie just dissed the OKC ball distribution problem, saying it precludes the possibility of a role player being a key offensive contributed.

He might have a point.

And I love the way Chris Paul plays basketball.
   1352. theboyqueen Posted: May 11, 2014 at 09:28 PM (#4704665)
Griffin, Paul, Durant, and Westbrook would all be so much more amazing to watch if they quit with their stupid shenanigans (flopping, whining, using silly tricks to get to the foul line) and just played fricking basketball.
   1353. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: May 11, 2014 at 10:41 PM (#4704688)
Lance Stephenson, you are positively retarded.
   1354. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: May 11, 2014 at 10:49 PM (#4704690)
Well, my Finals is still intact. Based on the 1st round I expect SAS over POR in 4, LAC over OKC in 7, MIA over BKN in 5, IND over WAS in 6.

* Prepares to pat self on back *
   1355. jmurph Posted: May 12, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4705262)
So Mike Brown, career assistant from here on out?

EDIT: I mean, not just fired twice by the same team, but fired twice by the Cavs!
   1356. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: May 12, 2014 at 03:37 PM (#4705269)
I'm starting to think the Cavs might be not the best run organization in the NBA. That he didn't succeed isn't surprising, but it still is a little jarring that it only took one season (and also odd that it took this long into their offseason before firing him).
   1357. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 12, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4705281)

Griffin, Paul, Durant, and Westbrook would all be so much more amazing to watch if they quit with their stupid shenanigans (flopping, whining, using silly tricks to get to the foul line) and just played fricking basketball.


Agreed. Leave that #### to Steve Adams!
   1358. It's a shame about Athletic Supporter Posted: May 12, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4705307)
I'm starting to think the Cavs might be not the best run organization in the NBA. That he didn't succeed isn't surprising, but it still is a little jarring that it only took one season (and also odd that it took this long into their offseason before firing him).


The crazy part is that they gave him a 5 year contract! If you are rehiring someone you already know and you're prepared to let him go after one mediocre but not totally disastrous season, why would you give him anything like 5 years? smdh
   1359. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 12, 2014 at 04:35 PM (#4705317)
Perhaps they are going after the old warriors coach
   1360. jmurph Posted: May 12, 2014 at 04:51 PM (#4705326)
With apologies to any lurking Cavs fans (Dan Lee, presumably?), Dan Gilbert is super unlikable, so I'm totally fine with them being terribly run.
   1361. cmd600 Posted: May 12, 2014 at 05:38 PM (#4705347)
Dan Gilbert is incredibly unlikeable, (and still the subprime mortgage and degenerate gambling connoisseur isn't the biggest crook of a sports owner in town) but he is good at riling up the fanbase with ridiculous promises he can't possibly keep, so the fanbase still loves him. I'd still like them to be at least marginally competently run. Which I think means trading Irving while he still has some All-star Game MVP!1! shine on.

I love the Cavs, but my god, they make it almost as hard to root for them as the Browns (who I've long given up on).
   1362. It's a shame about Athletic Supporter Posted: May 12, 2014 at 06:09 PM (#4705371)
Trading Irving seems crazy. Your only chance to be a contender in the next 5 or so years is to hope Irving blossoms into a superstar. Nobody else on the roster is going to and even if you luck out in this or some other lottery the top players take time to develop into that superstar. Irving has a legitimate chance of getting there, I think they have to keep betting on him, it's not worth trying to bottom out when you have a visible path to success. Mostly in the NBA you need a supermax guy you're paying the max to (Spurs notwithstanding) and Irving has a shot there.
   1363. cmd600 Posted: May 12, 2014 at 07:43 PM (#4705429)
We've been hoping, and Irving has proven to be more of a coach-killing, defense-ignoring, bucket-getter than a winner. Unless they can convince an elite (we all know the name we're talking about here) FA to join the team, betting on Irving seems like a sure-fire plan to make it all the way to the no-man's land of 40ish wins. And a huge part of that is on people other than Irving. The three lottery picks taken after him have played a big part in the current state of the franchise.

Punt and try again. Sure, you might be the Clippers, but I'd rather eventually get a Griffin than get excited about taking a game off the #1 seed.
   1364. Spivey Posted: May 12, 2014 at 09:56 PM (#4705498)
Blake Griffin was just going to be a defense-ignoring 40 win player until they got Chris Paul. Same with Harden in Houston before they got Howard. Now neither of those guys have won anything yet. But more and more these years I'm starting to think purgatory is oversold for the NBA. You generally need 2 elite players to contend in the NBA. Getting rid of one in hopes to get a better one through the draft still leaves you a player short.
   1365. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 12, 2014 at 10:06 PM (#4705505)
i know donald sterling's commentary would fit in just fine at the various nursing homes we visit as part of making the rounds seeing friends. they have these wings where folks with mild dementia are located and that kind of general somewhat disjointed rambling is commonplace

   1366. cmd600 Posted: May 12, 2014 at 10:37 PM (#4705516)
Not exactly my favorite stat, but Irving has put up 3 straight years of .125 WS/48. Griffin put up a .152 his rookie year and improved each year. Harden easily tops Irving after his rookie year as well.

Griffin's Clips put up 32 wins his rookie year, Harden's Rockets won 45 before Howard. Both are much more impressive than Irving getting the Cavaliers to 33 wins in his third year in this awful Eastern conference. The Cavs still have some steps to make to even get to purgatory, much less get past it.

In regards to Griffin getting Paul, like I said,
Unless they can convince an elite FA to join the team
. If they can get Lebron, Anthony, or Bosh to sign, or can make a winning bid for Love (they can't) that changes the ballgame. But they're going to have trouble convincing Deng to come back considering how much of a mess that locker room was. They're probably going to end up drafting McDermott, way overpaying for Monroe and considering the offseason a rousing success.

Punt and try again. If I say I'd rather eventually get a Griffin and a few more shots to get the right pieces to trade for a Paul instead, does that work for you?
   1367. tshipman Posted: May 12, 2014 at 11:08 PM (#4705533)
Dan Gilbert is incredibly unlikeable, (and still the subprime mortgage and degenerate gambling connoisseur


Hey, uh, what's wrong with being a degenerate gambling connoisseur?

Asking for a friend.
   1368. smileyy Posted: May 13, 2014 at 01:05 AM (#4705597)
We've become a little jaded to LeBron putting up 49 by going 16-24/3-6/14-19 huh?
   1369. rr Posted: May 13, 2014 at 01:29 AM (#4705602)
James is about where Jordan was in 1993. That is pretty much all that needs to be said.

Meanwhile, Donald Sterling's PR offensive ramps up:

In the interview with Anderson Cooper that aired Monday night on CNN, Sterling said Johnson, who is HIV positive, is not "a good example for the children of Los Angeles."

"He's got AIDS," Sterling said. "... Is this someone we want to respect and tell our kids about? I think he should be ashamed of himself. I think he should go into the background."


link
   1370. Maxwn Posted: May 13, 2014 at 01:31 AM (#4705603)
The Cavs should try to hire Lionel Hollins. He ran a pretty tight ship in Memphis, turned them into a pretty excellent defensive team, seemed to maximize the talent of many of the guys he had, and has one pretty definite success in developing a young PG in Mike Conley. Now it's hard to say definitively how much credit he actually deserves for all of that, but I'm inclined to think its a fair amount. He did an impressive enough job in Memphis that he probably deserves another shot and if I was a team like Cleveland flirting around the edges of the playoffs I'd give him a pretty hard look.

I'd try something like that before I gave up on Kyrie just yet, I think.
   1371. Maxwn Posted: May 13, 2014 at 01:37 AM (#4705604)
Donald Sterling appears to have never learned the first rule of holes.
   1372. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: May 13, 2014 at 10:01 AM (#4705724)
Donald Sterling appears to have never learned the first rule of holes.


According to this piece, Sterling did not have any PR or legal advisors before conducting his interview with Anderson Cooper. (I think he needs them, stat).
   1373. jmurph Posted: May 13, 2014 at 10:09 AM (#4705731)
So SVG to the Warriors appears very likely? That's a great hire for them, if they can make it happen.
   1374. jmurph Posted: May 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM (#4705733)
I think Cleveland is in a pretty tight spot with Irving. I don't think he's proven that he's worth maxing out yet, and as CMD600 points out, the lack of any real development is worrisome. But I think Maxwn and Spivey make a good point that getting rid of him now just sets you back another couple of years.
   1375. smileyy Posted: May 13, 2014 at 11:03 AM (#4705776)
Irving/Cavs sounds a ton like Wall/Wizards a year or two ago.
   1376. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: May 13, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4705779)
I think a legit question is whether or not Irving wants to stay in Cleveland. I think they'd be more likely to trade him before he hits UFA after The Decision. I have my questions about him, but if he wants to stick around, they need to do everything to keep him around.
   1377. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: May 13, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4705780)
We've become a little jaded to LeBron putting up 49 by going 16-24/3-6/14-19 huh?

I think we're just waiting for the next round, hopefully against a rejuvenated Pacers lineup. It's tremendously impressive to do that against anyone, and the history with Pierce and Garnett makes for a decent storyline, but it's hard to be invested in what the Heat are doing when they're still playing a woefully overmatched team that couldn't have sniffed the playoffs in the West and had the 23rd best defense in the league this year.

Any early thoughts on Thunder-Clippers tonight? How much should Chris Paul guard Durant? If the Clippers go super-small again, how should the Thunder counter? It seems to me that Westbrook-Jackson-Thabo-Durant-Ibaka is their best option, but Brooks only played that lineup 51 minutes this season (it was +44 per 100 possessions).
   1378. tshipman Posted: May 13, 2014 at 11:17 AM (#4705789)
Any early thoughts on Thunder-Clippers tonight? How much should Chris Paul guard Durant? If the Clippers go super-small again, how should the Thunder counter? It seems to me that Westbrook-Jackson-Thabo-Durant-Ibaka is their best option, but Brooks only played that lineup 51 minutes this season (it was +44 per 100 possessions).


I am fascinated by this. Does Doc have the guts to bench DeAndre and go Blake/Wing/3PGs? That was how they came back in the game, but obvs it was super energy intensive.

To your second point, Thabo could be replaced with anyone, but Brooks seems allergic to that line-up, despite it seeming like his best one. Westbrook/Jackson is so different in the backcourt than any other look. The Thunder can go small and retain some shotblocking and defense, but they don't want to. The Clippers risk more by going small, yet do so.

This series is my favorite.
   1379. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 13, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4705823)
"He's got AIDS," Sterling said. "... Is this someone we want to respect and tell our kids about? I think he should be ashamed of himself. I think he should go into the background."


Hilarious. Johnson is such a terrible figure for being sexually promiscious, not like the chaste Donald Sterling.
   1380. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 13, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4705836)

As for non-F4 programs, Clemson has produced a bunch of good big men (the big five being: Horace Grant, Nance, Dale Davis, Elden Campbell, Tree Rollins) worth 190K minutes. A more balanced program that has produced less "bulk" without a F4 appearance is BYU (136k minutes).


Clemson is a good pick. Other non-Final Four programs:

BYU: Danny Ainge, Shawn Bradley, Fred Roberts, Jim Eakins, JIMMER!
Xavier: David West, James Posey, Tyrone Hill, Brian Grant
Missouri: Anthony Peeler, Doug Smith, Linas Kleiza, Larry Drew, Keyon Dooling
Arizona State: Byron Scott, Fat Lever, Lionel Hollins, James Harden, Eddie House
Alabama: Antonio McDyess, Latrell Sprewell, Derrick McKey, Robert Horry, Gerald Wallace, Buck Johnson
Tennessee: Bernard King, Allan Houston, Dale Ellis, Ernie Grunfeld
Gonzaga: John Stockton
Navy: David Robinson
   1381. Spivey Posted: May 13, 2014 at 12:24 PM (#4705854)
I could see the Clippers going small more, but I think they'll have Jordan out there a decent amount simply because he's one of their better players.

I think the lineup above or one with Collison in favorite of Thabo if DeAndre is on the court is their best option. Both teams are going to be playing desperate today - should be fun.
   1382. theboyqueen Posted: May 13, 2014 at 12:24 PM (#4705855)
Berkeley hasn't made the final four since 1960, but taking only players they have had since then you have Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Phil Chenier, and Ryan Anderson
   1383. theboyqueen Posted: May 13, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4705862)
Purdue has a bunch of guys, the best of which is probably Glen Robinson
   1384. Jimmy P Posted: May 13, 2014 at 12:37 PM (#4705868)
Purdue has a bunch of guys, the best of which is probably Glen Robinson

Even though it seems like forever, Purdue made the Final Four in 1980.
   1385. cmd600 Posted: May 13, 2014 at 12:48 PM (#4705878)
getting rid of him now just sets you back another couple of years


I'm at the point where I'm already sure they're set back. Rip the band-aid off now instead of wasting another couple years. It's not just the on-court play, which is highlight-worthy but doesn't win many games. It's arguing with the coaches, fighting with other players, bickering with the media, and a complete lack of leadership.

I'm sure everyone is sick of my Cavs ranting, so I'll let it go here.
   1386. andrewberg Posted: May 13, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4705900)
Irving/Cavs sounds a ton like Wall/Wizards a year or two ago.


I think one difference between their circumstances is that we had seen Wall be a positive player offensively and defensively. He missed some time and had warts in his game (like his jump shot), but there was no question that he could be a positive impact on both ends. With Irving, the question of how much of his great offense his awful defense negates is up in the air. I think I pretty easily prefer Wall. Even so, I would sign Irving to a max contract instantly.
   1387. It's a shame about Athletic Supporter Posted: May 13, 2014 at 01:24 PM (#4705908)
I'm sure everyone is sick of my Cavs ranting, so I'll let it go here.


You have a long way to go to get to STEAGLES territory. ;)
   1388. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: May 13, 2014 at 01:36 PM (#4705917)
So SVG to the Warriors appears very likely? That's a great hire for them, if they can make it happen.

Adrian Wojnarowski ?@WojYahooNBA 27m
Stan Van Gundy's seriously considering Pistons offer of full control, torn on that opportunity vs. coaching Warriors, sources tell Yahoo.


Hmmm...
   1389. jmurph Posted: May 13, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4705922)
Interesting. That doesn't seem like a tough decision to me, but I get that these guys want more control over personnel.
   1390. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: May 13, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4705937)
It might not just be control though. I think there's a whole lot more job security in Detroit (look how long Dumars got to stick around). Then again, you'd have to live in Detroit. So...
   1391. Spivey Posted: May 13, 2014 at 02:21 PM (#4705948)
My other issue with Detroit is it seems like they've already blown their wad on a lot of their flexibility.
   1392. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: May 13, 2014 at 02:30 PM (#4705961)
Agreed. But that gives him even more security, as it'll take him years to clean up Dumars's mess. With the Warriors, he has a couple of seasons to win a title or he's probably looking again. That's also with the added pressure of winning over the star player who loved the old coach.
   1393. jmurph Posted: May 13, 2014 at 02:40 PM (#4705966)
That's only true if Detroit's owner truly understands the mess they're in. Which he might, I don't know.
   1394. It's a shame about Athletic Supporter Posted: May 13, 2014 at 02:50 PM (#4705978)
It might not just be control though. I think there's a whole lot more job security in Detroit (look how long Dumars got to stick around). Then again, you'd have to live in Detroit. So...


What is the cost of housing difference between Detroit and the Bay Area? 20:1 or so? I guess SVG will probably not have to worry too much about that.
   1395. Jimmy P Posted: May 13, 2014 at 02:53 PM (#4705983)
It might not just be control though. I think there's a whole lot more job security in Detroit (look how long Dumars got to stick around). Then again, you'd have to live in Detroit. So...


I think it's control. After all the crap with Dwight, I'd bet SVG would want to be able to just rid himself of headaches. Lots of these guys do. I don't think it's a smart move, but Detroit has been doing unwise things for years.

Golden St should go after George Karl.
   1396. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: May 13, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4705986)
A lot of tweets that Van Gundy is going to Detroit and that the Warriors are going to look at Hollins, D'Antoni and Adrian Griffin. Warriors had better luck hiring coaches when they were terrible!
   1397. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: May 13, 2014 at 03:08 PM (#4705997)
What is the cost of housing difference between Detroit and the Bay Area? 20:1 or so? I guess SVG will probably not have to worry too much about that.
My wife was recently offered a job that would have required her to spend a lot of time near Detroit. We spent a few hours one night perusing neighborhoods, and thought about one that we might have bought. Not a house in the neighborhood, the entire neighborhood. 20:1 seems low.

(Her company topped with a counteroffer, which was great. We never really considered moving there, but the idea of owning an entire neighborhood seemed fun.)
   1398. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: May 13, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4706018)
Hell, the Pontiac Silverdome sold for $583,000. $583,000! In Boulder, where I live, that buys you a decent house with a solid view and no land. It's slightly more than half the price of the lovely loft condo I stumbled across downtown last week.
   1399. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 13, 2014 at 03:38 PM (#4706020)
The Detroit metropolitan area is full of happy people. Lots of tax revenue, lots of social services, school districts expanding. All the misery is concentrated in the borders of the blighted city itself.
   1400. andrewberg Posted: May 13, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4706037)
Man, I own a townhome that is about as vaulable as the Pontiac Silverdome, and Hulk Hogan never even bodyslammed Andre the Giant in my house. As far as I know, he never bodyslammed ANYBODY in my house.

SVG- Detroit is a mess, but I wouldn't say it is an irredeemable mess. Sure, the roster is messed up by having their three good players be a PF, a C, and a PF/C. On the other hand, at least they have 3 good players!

I think it is basically a certainty that Drummond remains the C and they shop one of Smith or Monroe (S&T, I suppose, depending on timing). Monroe probably has more trade value, but he might also have more value to the team if they kept him. If SVG wants to do what he did in Orlando with 4 around 1, Smith does not fit in the Rashard Lewis spot. Then again, Drummond does not yet command a double in the low post, so maybe he uses a different offensive approach anyway. But let's just say that they can swap Monroe for a floor-spacing wing (someone like Ariza, for the sake of argument) and draft a developmental guard to eventually push Jennings (maybe Kyle Anderson). Then he goes into next year with Jennings, KCP, Ariza, Smith, Drummond with some young players with growth potential on the bench. If Drummond takes a step forward, that is probably immediately a better team than the bottom couple playoff teams in the East with some flexibility down the road.
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