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In this case, I'm talking about Mitch Richmond.
Edit: I'm probably setting my replacement level bar way too high, given that a replacement level team is a 10-15 win team. Its unfair to set the HOF bar at 20-30 wins added, which we've seen as reserved for inner-circle guys.
Edit 2: Dear god did the Kings ever draft badly in the late 80s and early 90s. I know that was a dreadful era for talent evaluation....but still..
He was 17th win shares and 11 in PER in 96-97, so he has a strong case that one season.
Is Richmond the worst player ever to make 6 straight all-star games? He scored a lot of points, but was a pretty limited player otherwise, which is a common type of player to be overrated by the media and casual fans. He was at least a pretty efficient scorer for a guard who shot as much he did.
Edit: coke to smileyy
Yep, thanks for the correction. The point stands, though: he was basically a fringe all-star for a few seasons (started one) and had two very good college seasons. I can't imagine how that would make him a hall of famer.
Good point. Guess I haven't thought about when he'd be back (which is when, btw?). Also, the trade deadline being this week just totally snuck up on me.
Will be interesting to see whether he can kick the Indy offense up a notch at all. If they could just get up around league average they might be a real threat to Miami.
I don't think there's a ton of risk here because they're main guys are young and/or in their prime. I think their issue is more about if paying these guys is going to get more than they can handle, and the Bledsoe/Granger deal helps that a lot. I'm assuming Hibbert will play better, which leaves one real hole on the team, and because of how flexible they are with Hill and George either Granger or Bledsoe could fill it.
Bledsoe I think is more valuable because of his contract, but let's not forget that Granger had a really good year last year. He also makes them really, really tall.
Paul George has played much better at SF than at SG so far this year, but perhaps that's a sample-size mirage? In theory, he and Granger can be your wings next to Hill, and Indiana should continue to play great defense while possibly improving offensively.
They can always deal Granger in the offseason if he ends up not fitting as well as they hope.
Yeah, that's part of what I meant but wasn't clear about.
I'm under the impression that David West supplies a lot of essential spacing and passing to the team, and while he's not old, he's not young either.
Agree. The bottom line is that it's really hard to put together a contender unless you have a steal (from a financial/cap standpoint) on your team. This is either a pre-FA star, or a super-duper star worth a lot more than the max. And obviously the former (which right now, Indy has in George) is a ticking clock. I'm not really sure what Indy is supposed to do here though -- the other problem with an ensemble team as opposed to a stars-and-scrubs team is that it's just hard to upgrade since you don't have black holes eating minutes.
BTW, I don't want them to trade for J-Smoove.
I agree that Smith does not make sense for Phoenix. Re-signing him is going to close up a lot of cap space for anyone who acquires him, so you better either have a bigger star already in place or a steady supporting cast around him that will help define his role.
Responding a few days after you said this, but I was just catching up on the podcast and I caught this one today. That was from the Aussie guy, right? He seems like the one who is most likely the to make a puzzling (to use your word) point. The other 3 main guys I think are really solid.
I see what you did there.
There's certainly no shame in competing, even if you're not contending. This is a business after all. What does it take for Indiana to be a title contender?
Posit: Any of the top 4 teams in each conference would become at title contender by acquiring Kevin Garnett.
Clippers. 6th in ORTG; 7th in DRTG. Third-best player in the league, another top 10-20 guy, and a good bench.
I agree with NJ, the Knicks with KG are a title contender. Agree on Memphis. I think he would be more than a marginal gain for Indiana. He definitely improves the chances for the Clips and Bulls. I don't think even with KG that the Nets would be title contenders (unless Williams and Wallace instantly reverted to the peak forms).
Fair enough. I'm convinced. I had them on the line in my head anyway and I suppose they're about even with SA and OKC in the West if they stay healthy.
Can't find it right now (ugh) but someone on another forum posted a chart of threes per game verse fts per game. Extrapolating from the chart, you'll see more average threes per game than FTs in a couple more years, if things continue how they are.
Chart of three pointers attempted per game verse free throws attempted per game. Extrapolating from the chart, you'll see more average threes per game than FTs in a couple more years, if things continue how they are.
At least they're only 4 games out of the playoffs!
vucevic was never getting out of collins' doghouse, anyway, so what he's doing in orlando is not entirely relevant to what he would be doing here.
and iguodala isn't exactly tearing it up with denver, either. his PER is 7th among players in their rotation, and 2 others (jordan hamilton and corey brewer) have essentially been his equal.
There are a lot of people smarter than me who think Bynum has been or was about to be not only one of the top centers in the league but one of the difference makers in the game. I always saw him as someone who once in awhile put up great numbers, or made a difference time to time. At the time, the deal to me seemed to suck for Orlando, but it was also a high risk one for the 76ers if you believed Bynum was more like the player I described.
A.) Roy being active at least 65 games
B.) Roy playing at least 1,400 minutes
Obviously, neither of those are going to happen, so it would probably be wise to think of Roy's contract as expiring. (Actually slightly better, since you can still trade him in July for a player making the same amount and the other team dumps all that salary.)
I'm guessing there's no way Roy's contract was insured, so basically the deal is Mozgov + $750,000 (the difference in salary the rest of the season) for a first-round pick, which I think the Nuggets ought to do.
Kings send T. Robinson, F. Garcia, T. Honeycutt to Houston for Toney Douglas, Cole Aldrich, Patrick Patterson & cash, USAT has learned.
what the hell..... I can't believe they manage to turn a ok player + 1 ehhh player +1 garbage into Thomas Robinson.
Also they traded Morris to the Suns... is this the first time twins play on the same team?
Didn't the van arsdales play together? (Edit: yup, also w Phoenix)
I like him and I think he fit well in Houston; it's more that I don't get what Sacramento's doing. They need to find guys who can be stars; adding average-ish players won't get them out of where they are. If they've already given up on Robinson, that also doesn't speak highly of their scouting.
I'd guess the generally feeling in Houston is that they need a more acceptable rebounder from the 4, while Patterson and Morris' lack of reb can be partially attributed to the fact that the team always plays them at the corner to shoot 3s, that doesn't explain it on the defensive end where they also aren't rebounding. and you can't run a transition offense if your not getting the defense board.
On the other hand another major issue is that they have no one who can play down low in half court sets, I'm not sure if Robinson helps there but at least he would help the defensive board part.
asik: 12% ORB%, 30% DRB%, 21% TRB%
smith: 12% ORB%, 20% DRB%, 16% TRB%
robinson: 12% ORB, 21% DRB%, 16% TRB%
if they gel together, that could be a very tough front court to match up against.
The davises were no relation.
Other twins include the Grahams, Grants, Collinses, Lopezes, and journeymen Carl and Charles Thomas.
It is sort of hilarious that the big mega trade of the off season, there are no winners. Orlando became much worse, and didn't get the picks it needed to become somewhat relevant soon, The 76ers get a broken player who might jump anyway at the end of the season, and the Lakers got the dick version of Dwight Howard that shown up over the last two years.
EDIT: Game's not done yet. LEAGUE PASS ALERT!!!
EDIT: LINNN1!!!!!
edit : make that 75, unreal
Harden: 44 pts, 19 Fga. Not bad...
Meanwhile, cle crowd is chanting MVP for Irving (20 in the 4th)
Meanwhile, Indiana beat NYK by 34. I'm really excited to see Indiana and Miami square off in the playoffs, if it happens.
This'll get lost in trade rumor stuff, no doubt, but here's an article on a subject near and dear to my heart: 12th men. As for Nevitt, he's an IT guy in my neck of the woods (I've told a story about bumping into him at the mall in a different thread).
Also, Mark and Ronnie Price, Shandon and Birdman Anderson (identical).
Not sure why cutting salary is a necessity once a deep pocket buyer is already found.
It's too bad Moses never joined Karl and Jeff to be the first triplets to play together, although he did play in Utah in the ABA, along with Jazz announcer Ron Boone and former Jazz owner Larry Miller.
Pretty sure he had a leg up on you with that whole work ethic/conditioning thing too, Chuck...
In the West, I'd expect the Spurs to stay at the top, but I think OKC and LAC will come down to the wire for the 2/3 spots. Memphis seems to have gotten over the Gay trade, so they should stay ahead of Denver for the 4 spot. I still refuse to believe the Lakers miss the playoffs, so one of the bottom 3 of GS/Utah/Hou is going to come up short. The Rockets are the best of those 3, IMO, so I think they're in even though they're 8th now. Sorry to our Jazz fans, but I think it's gonna be them (although, if they get Butler and Bledsoe for Millsap I think they'll outlast GS). So today, I'll guess SA/OKC/LAC/MEM/DEN/HOU/GS/LAL and say the Lakers beat the Spurs in the first round.
*Switch the Bulls and Nets if the Nets get Smith.
[790] I see it as EC: MIA/IND/CHI/NYK/BKN/BOS/ATL/MIL. IIRC, MIL actually plays MIA pretty tough so that might not be an interesting matchup. WC: SAS/OKC/LAC/DEN/MEM/HOU/UTH/LAL. Still think DEN overtakes MEM due to the DEN schedule. Also expecting that to be a 7-game 1st round series.
If you're the NBA and ESPN/TNT, those are definitely the first round matchups you want to maximize ratings (and you put the 2 teams people care about the least together on NBA TV - Ind/Atl). Most of my predictions about the Bulls finishing 2nd or 3rd were counting on Rose being back already. Since he's practicing 5 on 5, it's probably close, but I'm hedging a couple games here now. Unless, that's more of you being down on the Knicks after last night.
If the NBA were rigging the first round matchups, they'd do everything they could to get LAC/LAL in there somehow. I think the Nuggets/Memphis series is already my favorite matchup. Though Clips/Rockets could be a lot of fun too.
That's why Karl had the better career. Remained a full time, great player until age 39. Barkley, on the other hand, had only one season of more than 2500 minutes after turning 30.
Barkley in his peak though shot for a higher percentage, got to the line more, pulled in a higher percentage of rebounds, and even blocked more shots. The only thing that gives me doubt on who was the better peak player is the difficult to measure non-block, non-steal defense. Malone is considered greater at that than Barkley, but I can't quantify it.
I'd say Barkley:Mantle and Malone:Mays.
Over the weekend I've seen a few replays of the famous Barkley coast to coast rumble. I saw that live, as a teenager living near Philly, and never get tired of watching it. I think that video perfectly sums up the player Barkley was: Dominant, relentless, supremely talented, reckless.
I've been down on the Knicks since the Lincident...but yeah, I think CHI is just a better team and the various Knicks' deals with the devil have expired since their 18-5 start.
Though Clips/Rockets could be a lot of fun too.
Rockets/anyone is fun because of HOU's style of play.
They're even less of a threat than I wrote before the season started. The fundamental problem remains in place: a team with Carmelo Anthony on it will never have enough breathing room for a #2 you can win a ring with and Carmelo Anthony isn't good enough to win a ring as a heroball #1.
The rest is just window dressing and fodder for chatter.
i would not be interested in any of those series. MIA/MIL and IND/ATL will be bloodbaths. nothing good can come from a NYK/BRK series. and the less that is said about a possible CHI/BOS matchup, the better.
I don't think the Lakers are completely done yet either, but they're running out of time. I think for the first time all year I'd probably bet against them making the playoffs. And if they do make it, my guess is they take the Warriors spot, who are virtually tied with the Jazz but going in opposite directions.
Houston vs Utah is an interesting comparison, cuz the Rockets look clearly better by virtually every statistical measure, but for some reason those numbers haven't translated into a better record, and I'm not as sure as others that it will in the end. I suspect the Jazz's team numbers are lowered by their annoying habit of squandering big leads and turning blowout wins into nailbiters. For those who've followed them closely, how many times have they gotten up by 15-20 and then won by 5ish after letting their opponent come back to within 2 or 3? A lot. That's frustrating as a fan, but those games are still counting as wins. Houston's wins may be by higher totals, but thus far that hasn't translated into more of them, which is really what matters most.
Really? For a long time I thought the Lakers may have been like the 1995 Rockets or 1999 Knicks and were capable of doing some serious damage in the playoffs even without homecourt in any round. I don't see it anymore. I really don't think they're any better than Utah/Houston/GS at this point, and if they squeeked into the playoffs, I'd expect them to get curbstomped by the Spurs or Thunder just as badly as those other teams would.
Malone did great work guarding Duncan in the 2004 Conference Semis; that was one of the main things that turned that series around, and that was when Malone was 40 years old.
Did he really? Without looking up the numbers (I'm at work, sorry), that surprises me. I thought I remembered Malone leading the league in FT attempts a few times. I could be wrong.
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