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You're right. Barkley had the single season best of getting to the line (951 times, 10.8 per 36) but that was his only season over 10 per 36, Malone had 3 such years and led the league in attempts 7 times, including 5 in a row during the late 80's/early 90's period where both players were in their primes.
For their careers Malone got to the line about 10% more often, on a per minute basis. I'll have to revise the statement to Barkley's advantages being field goal percentage and rebounding.
Barkley was better able to put the ball on the floor, and he's correct in saying he didn't need any help to get his own shot. The downside to this is the turnover stat, just because Charles could do something doesn't mean he should (also see his 3 point shooting). I have no problem with the idea that Malone was the more valuable player even during peak, and certainly more valuable on a career basis, but stand by my feeling that Barkley was the more awesome talent.
Malone fit his game better into a team concept. Some of that may be a result of having more stable coaching. Though I doubt there are many coaches who could have controlled Barkley, especially when he was younger.
Sebastian Telfair to Toronto for Haddadi and a 2nd round pick.
I still think he could be Aaron Gray, if you let him.
Telfair is one of my least favorite players in the league. At least his threes are going down this year but - blech.
They were my preseason champ pick. I'm going down with the ship.
Having lived in Salt Lake a portion of this time, I would like to suggest that some of that may also have been being able to rely on Stockton to bring the ball up court, set nasty picks, and otherwise get him the ball in a good position to shoot.
Mine too. At least for the Western Conference.
Let's see, a few years ago they built championship teams around Kobe and Pau. Those two might not be quite at the same level, but the last 2 years were still great players and able to lead a team to the ~50 victory level.
Add Dwight Howard, a guy good enough that you can build a team around him with no other superstars, and beat Lebron.
Add Nash. Even if he doesn't run the offense to the same extent (because Kobe is) Nash is still a huge asset even if used as a spot up shooter (though that's kind of like using a brand new Cadillac to deliver pizzas). His defense is terrible, but the Lakers have had Derek Fisher at the spot for years after Fisher lost the ability to defend anybody.
Injuries have hurt them a ton, but they were still disappointing even with the big 4 stars all on the court. This is just a perfect storm, worst case scenario of what can happen with bad chemistry/synergy.
There's got to be a good movie about the dynamics behind the scenes here. The rude treatment of the one coach who might have been able to make this work in Phil Jackson. The odd display of confidence in a coach who's been pretty terrible. It's not like Phil Jackson is just some hired gun even, he's about to become the new owner's brother in law. There must be some serious sibling rivalry at work here.
I was looking at this out of curiosity and it seems like its really pretty hard to tell who the schedule favors. MEM's schedule is actually easier on the surface. By my calculations their average remaining opponent is like .489 while DEN is .518. And if you walk through it let both teams beat the teams which have a lower WIN% and lose to the teams with higher WIN%, MEM ends up with a 5 game lead. But Denver's schedule is home heavy and and the Grizzlies is road heavy, so it doesn't take too many assumptions to get that projection in DEN's favor. Let them beat MEM and NYN at home, maybe knock off OKC or SAS in Denver too, have the Grizzlies drop the backend of their road back-to-backs, etc. Trying to be objective, I think I'd still lean MEM because they have the 2 game lead and it's not totally obvious that the schedule difference is actually in Denver's favor.
I actually still think there's a decent chance MEM can catch the Clippers. They're only a game back in the loss column. I haven't done the calc for LAC, but just by eye-balling it, I'm pretty sure their remaining opponent;s average WIN% is above .500, maybe even by more than DEN. Their schedule is like +4 home vs away, but that home schedule is actually pretty tough, at least to my eyes. Now that I look at it, I actually think there is probably some 10th percentile scenario where DEN passes MEM and LAC. Most of the Nuggets remaining games against teams with better records are at home, so I can see some sort of situation where DEN goes like 23-4, 22-5. Their only remaining road games against winning teams are @CHI, @OKC, @SAS, @UTAH and several of the others are against some real cupcakes. If they did that, they could catch LAC even if the Clippers play somewhere between .600 and .650. It's a longshot, but I don't think it's impossible.
eric maynor may go to portland
redick may be in a three team deal that includes milwaukee
Woj tweeted that Milwaukee did just acquire him. Wonder if they'll spin him off
Torn ACL. OKC got used to playing without him, and he struggled when he returned. He'll get his chance because Portland really has no backup, and they need to ease up on Lillard
EDIT: Change love to really like. Just saw the full details of the deal.
Better record within conference?
Most pointless trade ever.
That has a lot of competition with the other trades in the last 48 hours.
He's actually my friend's cousin.
Traded with Joe Alexander and the pick that would become Kevin Seraphin for John Salmons and the picks that would become Larry Sanders, Isaiah Thomas and Robert Sacre.
Traded for the pick that would become Charles Jenkins.
Three teamer where he and Robin Lopez went out with Jerome Dyson, Brad Miller, Wesley Johnson and a future first rounder coming back. Basketball-reference humorously lists the Wolves' return for that trade as "a future 2nd round draft pick, a future 2nd round draft pick and a future 2nd round draft pick."
Traded for Matt Carroll.
Traded for Josh McRoberts.
Collectively, those trades moved the needle on future NBA championships 0.0%.
Blazers gonna waive Ronnie Price.
Jason Collins joined Barbosa.
Cash money joined Pittman.
Ronnie Brewer to OKC for a future 2nd.
Warrick ain't my kind of commodity, but he's a useful NBA player. Also, he's an NBA player.
I was hoping Ayon would go to ATL if we dealt Smith. Poor man's Horford...
He's at least temporarily an ex-NBA player, since the Magic are waiving him.
Ronnie Brewer to OKC for a future 2nd.
They already have the better Brewer in Thabo. Though, defensive wings may come in handy if they play Miami in the Finals.
GS dumped Tyler
To the Hawks.
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I gotta say, that's quite a weird bunch of pieces in Milwaukee. Plenty of guys that are useful, but almost no one on that team fits with anyone else on the team.
DEN should have been in on this. MEM too, I would think.
Supposedly, ATL pulled out of a deal where they would've received Udoh, the Prince, Udrih, and a protected #1.
This is the first public disagreement or frustrations of sort between the Bulls and Rose. I'm starting to think (sense? fear?) that there's a bit of a struggle between the team and Rose about when he should come back.
I can see where the chicken-and-egg comes from. Why would Chicago bet big on this year when they don't know when/if/how well Rose will return? Why would Rose risk a <100% knee for a team that's not going to contend for the title?
If they did agree to that, it sure as hell wouldn't be publicly. And you wouldn't have had the Bulls start hinting at him coming back the last month or so.
Now that the Bulls weren't able to give Rip away to get under the tax (meaning, they're paying the tax this year for the first time ever), I could see management putting extra pressure on Rose to play to increase their chances of winning. The more he plays, the more they make. And of course, it's not an exact science as to when he's "safe" to play.
Also, Vladimir Radmanovic is still in the league!?
I thought this, too. I just don't know how much that plays into it. The tv schedule is set, the tickets are sold, and they're going to make the playoffs. I guess Rose coming back increases the possibility of multiple rounds of playoffs, but I don't see much of a short term financial gain of Rose coming back this year.
No. I mean, yes. But no.
I thought this, too. I just don't know how much that plays into it. The tv schedule is set, the tickets are sold, and they're going to make the playoffs. I guess Rose coming back increases the possibility of multiple rounds of playoffs, but I don't see much of a short term financial gain of Rose coming back this year.
Better ratings in general (the Bulls do have a stake in CSN). The way playoff tickets are sold (and yes, possibility for more games). Like most teams nowadays, they also get their beak wet in the secondary ticket market (which is totally dried up right now). Plus, fewer no shows, so more concessions, parking, etc sales. And not every ticket is sold yet. The better they do this year, the better the season ticket base will be next year (and the more they can raise ticket prices).
Granted, Sacramento gave up someone they just picked #5 in the draft, and by all accounts for largely financial reasons. So, not a good move. And obviously the situation on the Kings is hardly ideal from a development perspective. So maybe Robinson will blossom. But he *did* spend three years in college, and he's been pretty lousy so far.
I mean, it's a very good deal for Houston, and Morey deserves credit for making it happen. But the way Bill Simmons is describing it, e.g., you'd think odds are very high that Robinson is a future star. It doesn't seem that way to me. (Big caveat: I haven't seen Robinson play much at all.)
I'm not a fan of Robinson's. I do not think he's a great loss. I'm surprised they weren't able to convince another team that he had more redeeming value than Patterson, so I suppose that still makes it a bad trade.
What's the talk about the Bulls not putting talent around Rose? That's clearly not true. Even in that quote, the brother admits that Deng and Noah are good running mates. Boozer might not be living up to his contract, but they put the money on the table for the best guy who would take it from them. The one year he was healthy, they gave Miami a good run in the playoffs. They're a really good, well built team. The complaining should wait until they start doing unnecessarily cheap stuff again, not when they're re-signing Gibson, paying to keep Thibs, and not dumping Hamilton's salary.
Robinson / Patterson trade : yeah it could turn out ooook for the Kings, since Patterson is a MUCH more polished shooter and player in general than Robinson is. it's just that he has a rather weird skill set for a PF. but that might actually work in SAC since he can shoot over smaller players on outside shots quite well. and yes Robinson is amazingly unpolished for a 3 year college high pick though the energy and athleticism is quite evident and obviously playing in Sac doesn't help.
Still, taken in the entire context of them sucking for a year to draft him, then essentially bench him after like 10 games and play him like the last guy on the bench for half a season, then give up on him only 2/3 of the season in for financial reason for a player who is solid but not much else. is a huge train wreck. of course if he actually develops then it's a trainwreck + an massive explosion afterwards.
Hakim Warrick has made $17.2 million in his career. It's pretty amazing how much money you can make in the NBA or MLB simply by sticking around.
Short answer: Probably not.
Longer answer: He's probably a mouthpiece for Rose, and this is just a thinly veiled way for Rose to air his frustrations and still look like a 'good guy'.
Went to a Sixers/Grizzlies game a while back & we were marveling at the fact that Hamed Haddadi has made (including this year) $7.4 million in his career (and were making fun of his shooting in the warmups before the game). That's $9,013 per minute played or $27,407 per point scored. In summary, I wish I was 7'2".
He clearly dominated Paul last night, but let's not go overboard. Paul is still clearly better defensively, and Paul also leads Parker this year is nearly every advanced stat - PER, ORtg/DRtg, WS/48, Simple Rating - hell, he even leads him in WoW's garbage stat.
Short answer: Probably not.
Longer answer: He's probably a mouthpiece for Rose, and this is just a thinly veiled way for Rose to air his frustrations and still look like a 'good guy'.
Reggie was "managing" or whatever Derrick going way back, he was pretty much the only way the media got anything from the Roses during Derrick's college recruitment. So while it's easy to make fun of him because he's just Derrick's brother - like Marv and Steve did during the game - he clearly isn't just speaking his own mind without Derrick knowing.
As for the comments themselves...
What's the talk about the Bulls not putting talent around Rose? That's clearly not true. Even in that quote, the brother admits that Deng and Noah are good running mates. Boozer might not be living up to his contract, but they put the money on the table for the best guy who would take it from them. The one year he was healthy, they gave Miami a good run in the playoffs. They're a really good, well built team. The complaining should wait until they start doing unnecessarily cheap stuff again, not when they're re-signing Gibson, paying to keep Thibs, and not dumping Hamilton's salary.
As we went over in the offseason, every move they made was because they were being cheap. Letting Asik go, trading Korver for nothing, not picking up Watson and Brewer's options. They only didn't trade Rip because no one wanted him (and they didn't want to pay someone a first round pick to take him). So there's definitely reason for concern if you're following what they're doing and saying. They did make Thibs sweat his deal too.
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Gosh, the Bulls are just flat out unwatchable now. I'm getting sucked in big time to the Blackhawks, so at least I don't have to watch college ball <shivers>.
It's probably a little too early to do this, but given most seem to think that Utah and LA will be the two teams competing for the 8th seed, these are my wild guesses about how their remaining games will go:
Utah: @LAC L, BOS W, ATL W, CHA W, @ MIL L, @CLE W, @CHI L, @NYK L, DET W, @OKC L, MEM W, NYK W, @HOU L, @SAS L, @DAL W, PHI W, PHO W, @POR W, BKN W, POR W, DEN W, NOR W, @ GSW L, OKC L, MIN W, @MIN W, @MEM L. 17-10
LAL: POR W, @DAL W, @DEN L, MIN W, ATL W, @ OKC L, @NOR W, TOR W, CHI W, @ORL W, @ATL L, @IND L, SAC W, @PHO W, WAS W, @GSW W, @MIN W, @MIL L, @SAC W, DAL W, MEM W, @LAC L, NOR W, @POR W, GSW W, SAS L, HOU W. 20-7
That would get Utah to 48-34 and LAL to 46-36, but those records look overly optimistic when I look at them. I might not have built in enough schedule losses.
The Bulls scored 67 points on 37% shooting and had 26 turnovers. They scored 13 points in the 2nd and 4th quarters. In that Wolves game you mentioned, they won, they scored 94 in the game and 18 in the 4th*, and only had 15 TOs. So while your team's season has clearly been worse and more disappointing, I still say the Bulls were a worse watch.
Damn, 44 FTA. That's not fun to watch, for sure.
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As for your W/L projections, right now, the Bucks are bad. I wouldn't assume they're going to beat either team. I also see more W's that could be L's on the Utah line.
That said, I've thought all along that the two Jazz wins vs the Lakers early in the year when LA was struggling that gave Utah the tie breaker were important beyond just the joy of seeing my team beat a hated rival. Likewise, I have March 20th in Houston (Rockets lead 2-1) and April 7th in GS (tied 1-1) circled on my mental calendar. All four of these teams could finish with virtually identical records and it could very well come down to tie-breakers to determine who misses out on the honor of getting pasted in the first round.
Not having Joe Johnson obviously hurted them , but boy when things go right for Houston they really go right.
Edit: Says a man whose team beat a short-handed Magic team at home by 6.
I think that's a slightly different argument though - value, I guess. Paul's still the better player - again, it's not really that close on the defensive end. And for what it's worth, even with the minute difference they both have exactly 8.8 win shares. It's still just a race to 3rd place at best in the MVP voting for the 2 of them.
well, there's also the 5 points per 36 minute advantage that parker has over paul, in addition to shooting 54% from the field compared to chris paul's 48%.
And Paul has a 2/ast advantage per 36, but so (he also gets more steals, more rebounds and turns it over less)? They're all just components of the other stats that all favor Paul.
Granted, part of that was Lin and Asik completely going ice cold and that playing under manned 3 strait game is bound to catch up to them, but boy....
At least Montejunas continues to impress, he even grabbed 6 boards today. and a 7 footer with a quick 3 is pretty close to being undefendable.
Does anyone else think that LeBron is going to have a significantly better year than he has ever had before? He's in his prime with arguably the most talented team he's ever been on. There's no question who "The Man" in Miami as there may have been the past two years. He's more comfortable in the post where he could be unstoppable. No pressure regarding winning a championship. I know this is a lot of armchair psychology and I am wondering if anyone else was thinking that way.
I'd like to revisit it. I think if he plays the rest of the season the way he has played the last month or so, I think I would say that this has been his best season.
This might be LeBron's best season, but that's not obviously apparent.
And why in the name of all that is good and holy is Marvin Williams still starting over Hayward or Favors?
That is all.
Also, GSW's had two really gritty wins in a row now while Utah and Houston lost last night (a good weekend for LAL). There was a lot of talk about GSW perhaps slipping backwards after the break, but so far so good for the Warriors. Yeah, it was just the Wolves, but that's still a road win, and all road wins are extra good.
Anyway, doesn't really matter, but it irritated me to hear a national TV guy make some sort of point about the Grizzlies worsened playoff chances without Rudy Gay by referencing a playoff run that they made without Rudy Gay.
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