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OT: NBA Monthly Thread - March 2013

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, but with our own thread, we won’t detract from what this site is really about: hunting and apostrophes.

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   101. The District Attorney Posted: March 06, 2013 at 01:09 AM (#4381698)
   102. Maxwn Posted: March 06, 2013 at 01:23 AM (#4381701)
I guess I thought that having Nash would mean the Lakers would figure things out

Haven't they sort of figured things out a little though? They've won 13 of 18 before tonight and of the 5 losses, only losing to Phoenix and getting blown out by the Celtics would count as bad losses in my mind. Hell they still might be able to pull it out tonight. (Actually it looks like OKC's slammed the door while I was writing this. Anyway losing at OKC, even losing by double digits at OKC is not really that big of a mark of shame.)

I honestly don't think the Lakers are that inexplicable any more. What was bizarre about them was not that they weren't as good as they were expected to be, but that they were actively terrible for long stretches of the season. Now they've won some more and will probably finish a bit above .500 and somewhere in the 7-8-9 slot, most likely 8 or 9. While that is a significant underachievement, I don't think it's really that weird given the facts that they are:
1) Old, slow, and not very deep
2) Sort of a weird fitting team
and most importantly 3) Dwight is clearly not right.

I can buy a top-tier talent team being a fringy playoff-type team given the fact that their theoretical best player is basically a shell of his former self and they had a lot of injuries. I know Dwight's box score numbers are still pretty good, but watching him and looking at his Orating/Drating type stats, I think that's a fair enough description.

What was weird is that they were a definite lottery team for a while. Although even then, their point differential was always like 7th in the West and even at their low point I think they had a better winning percentage than basically all of the Eastern Conference non-playoff teams do right now. So the West being a pretty deep and tough conference also played a role in this.

It's still a trainwreck of a season, but it doesn't strike me as being an "I've never seen this before" sort of season like it did earlier. Maybe that's a pretty revisionist view though.
   103. RollingWave Posted: March 06, 2013 at 06:27 AM (#4381736)
Their season is really going to depend on the Warriors and Jazz crashing though, even if they play .700 for the rest of the way if the Jazz and Warriors just play like .500 they're still screwed.

It is trending that way, but it is really not any less inconceivable to see Jazz play at least a little better than .500 ball Lakers go .700 the rest of the way.
   104. andrewberg Posted: March 06, 2013 at 12:42 PM (#4381934)
I have reached a point where I think the Lakers will catch Utah. It is not a fait accompli, but I think it is more likely than not based on how they have played for the last couple of months.
   105. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 06, 2013 at 12:46 PM (#4381938)
me too
   106. rr Posted: March 06, 2013 at 01:34 PM (#4382003)
As I said about a week ago, the Lakers' improvement is largely just a statistical market correction; they had a + PDiff when they were 17-25, and they are 5-0 in their last 5 close games.

The fit stuff is somewhat of an issue; I still think that the two-star platoon system was the way to go (can't really do that with Pau out) with a Kobe/Pau team and a Nash/Howard team.

But the real issue is the D. OKC turns the ball over a bit; last night, they had only 2 TOs, total, and of course scored 71 points in the first half. The Lakers put up 55 points of their own in the first half, and even with all the problems, are comfortably Top 10 in offense. But they are simply too slow on the perimeter on D, and Howard in his current iteration can't cover for enough of it to make up the difference.

I wouldn't bet on their catching Utah, but it can happen, especially since Utah is not a very good defensive team, either.

It has been a meme to point out that D'Antoni's PHX teams were actually pretty good/OK on D, but having watched this team, I think a lot of that was having a prime Shawn Marion and some other jocks. Howard has complained about the Lakers never working on D in practice; Nash made a comment about a lack of a defensive philosophy. They don't seem to make many adjustments on D, and make the same mistakes all the time. A lot of that is not on MDA; Tom Thibodeau could not make this a really good defensive team. But I have not seen many indications that D'Antoni is doing things to try to improve the situation.
   107. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: March 06, 2013 at 03:18 PM (#4382122)
Mike Mulligan: Derrick Rose talked to David Aldridge last Thursday, and Rose said he's "not quite able to go to his right without feeling a pinch in his knee", and thus would have trouble defending someone going to his left. "I'm not afraid to fail", according to Derrick, but he reiterates he won't be back until he's 100%.

KC Johnson: That's consistent to what he told us in Boston, in that his knee isn't totally right. It wasn't as specific in terms of a specific ‘cut', but it's consistent. He's making these comments [to Aldridge] a couple weeks after, and that means it's still an issue. If you're asking me for my prediction, I originally predicted mid-march (10 months), but given his comments to USA Today, to the beat writers, and now to David Aldridge, I'm predicting that he's not going to play this season. I hope I'm wrong and I know Bulls fans hope I'm wrong , and I've been wrong many times before, but it just seems like this is a guy who is kind of preparing himself to have another offseason of work, and come back next season.


From an interview this morning. As a reminder, KC works for the Trib and is kind of a mouthpiece for the org, specifically regarding bad news. So.........
   108. Famous Original Joe C Posted: March 06, 2013 at 03:34 PM (#4382133)
Moses, bad news for Bulls fans but I really think it's probably the best move for him to continue to sit until next season if things aren't 100%. The Bulls aren't winning anything important this year (maybe a series or two at best) even with Rose, so why not wait, reload the rest of the roster in anticipation, and play it safe. Sucks not to see him play this year, but I think any Bulls fan would be fine with punting 2013 in the best interest of 2014-23, right?
   109. Booey Posted: March 06, 2013 at 03:39 PM (#4382138)
I have reached a point where I think the Lakers will catch Utah.

The Jazz are definitely leaving the door wide open, that's for sure. Even with all the tough (k, unwinnable) games coming up this month, I think they'd still be in pretty good shape if they took all the winnable ones, but that isn't happening. 2 of their last 3 losses have come in overtime. They desperately needed those.
   110. smileyy Posted: March 06, 2013 at 03:46 PM (#4382145)
So Derrick Rose and the team found the right way to spin the fact that he's not going to come back this year? Which I think is the right call, if there's any question about not being 100%.
   111. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: March 06, 2013 at 04:25 PM (#4382188)
Sucks not to see him play this year, but I think any Bulls fan would be fine with punting 2013 in the best interest of 2014-23, right?

If that's truly the case, yes. It's just terrible if it's coming out like this 2 days after Rose sits on the bench for the first time and one day after Thibs calls him "day to day". They've done a poor job of managing expectations if this is true - even giving them some benefit for saying he could miss the year from the start.
   112. RollingWave Posted: March 06, 2013 at 08:58 PM (#4382447)
Lakers catching Utah is sort of a coin flip at this point, it is trending that way but again, making up 3 games in a little more than 20 isn't that easy, if Utah goes 11-11 the rest of the way the Lakers need to go 14-7, which means they need to play like a top 3 Western conference team the rest of the way.

I suppose it is possible for Utah to just outright collapse, but it's not something you should bet on.

Also, interseting today, all the Hou / GSW / UTH / LAL plays tonight. given the the former 3 team's seperation is 1 game, we could see a some spot changes tonight.

Also, if Hou win tonight Dallas is essentially completely eliminated.
   113. Booey Posted: March 06, 2013 at 09:10 PM (#4382455)
Also, interseting today, all the Hou / GSW / UTH / LAL plays tonight. given the the former 3 team's seperation is 1 game, we could see a some spot changes tonight.


I'll be scoreboard watching for sure, but with all 4 teams playing against losers (DAL/SAC/CLE/NOH), I'm not expecting any changes in the standings tonight.
   114. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: March 06, 2013 at 09:48 PM (#4382473)
Jazz offense looks so much better with Mo Williams back. Not that he's great, but he's taking away minutes mostly from two guys that should be benchwarmers at best (Tinsley and Watson). Kanter is having another great game, too. There's really no excuse for Corbin if Kanter doesn't get at least 20MPG once Jefferson is back.

   115. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 06, 2013 at 10:01 PM (#4382476)
Lakers catching Utah is sort of a coin flip at this point, it is trending that way but again, making up 3 games in a little more than 20 isn't that easy, if Utah goes 11-11 the rest of the way the Lakers need to go 14-7, which means they need to play like a top 3 Western conference team the rest of the way.

I suppose it is possible for Utah to just outright collapse, but it's not something you should bet on.
I'm certainly not. I think I called this season over for the Lakers back in January, and nothing has happened to change my mind. Yes, the Lakers are playing better, but they need to play great ball while others fall back. Neither of those things have happened and, like you say, it's not something you should bet on. Tonight, they're taking it the teeth in New Orleans. If Utah holds on in Cleveland, that's just more real estate to cover.
   116. RollingWave Posted: March 06, 2013 at 10:17 PM (#4382485)
ZOMG Irving!

Wow, looks like the Jazz is gonna fall, Irving nearly had a triple double! (and he scored like 8 points in the last 2:30 min)

Also, lakers are getting demolished in New Orleans o_O

Houston and Mavs are close at this point.
   117. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: March 06, 2013 at 10:20 PM (#4382489)
ZOMG Irving!


Which feed are you watching? The Jazz feed showed Millsap clearly had position, but didn't show whether his feet were outside of the restricted area.

Can't believe Jazz are going to blow this one. On the plus side if they miss the playoffs they get a lottery pick, and maybe it makes it more likely Corbin gets canned.
   118. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 06, 2013 at 10:21 PM (#4382490)
Really, Utah? Seriously?
   119. Famous Original Joe C Posted: March 06, 2013 at 10:32 PM (#4382495)
Celtics beat Indiana 83-81 on a last second Jeff Green layup. Second night of a back to back, in Indiana, trailed by 14 in 3rd and 9 with 4:30 to play - finished up 11-0 over that stretch. Probably the win of the season for them.
   120. RollingWave Posted: March 06, 2013 at 10:40 PM (#4382499)
Lin made a buzzer beater at the half and Houston trails the Mavs by 1 going into half time. both team are on their way to score about 120 points. of course.

Houston is struggling inside the paint this game but the Mavs are doing them a lot of favors by keep sending them to the line. and they only missed 1 of 15 FT so far. Though Asik does have 3 PF which is a big risk for Houston.

   121. RollingWave Posted: March 06, 2013 at 10:48 PM (#4382504)
Austin River is starting to look a lot less of a disaster nowadays then earlier in the season... hmmmm

I think it is fairly safe to say that the Lakers are unlikely to make up a 20 point deficit in 12 min.

Also, why is Orlando leading Miami by 1 in the 4th? (look at stats line)

HOLY #### Vucevic ..
   122. Spivey Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:02 PM (#4382508)
LeBron!
   123. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:02 PM (#4382509)
I'll be scoreboard watching for sure, but with all 4 teams playing against losers (DAL/SAC/CLE/NOH), I'm not expecting any changes in the standings tonight.


Best. Post. Ever.
   124. Famous Original Joe C Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:03 PM (#4382510)
Aaaaand Lebron with the layup, 3 seconds left, to beat the Magic.
   125. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:03 PM (#4382511)
[121] I love that Rivers is a G who is shooting less than 60% at the line.
   126. Spivey Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:04 PM (#4382512)
God the Spurs offense is explosive.
   127. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:07 PM (#4382513)
I'll be scoreboard watching for sure, but with all 4 teams playing against losers (DAL/SAC/CLE/NOH), I'm not expecting any changes in the standings tonight.

Best. Post. Ever.


To be fair, if all four of them lose, that doesn't change the standings.
   128. Spivey Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:07 PM (#4382514)
Austin Rivers has the worst PER (4.9) of any guard I've ever seen that's getting that kind of playing time.

Even Derek Fisher is at 8.7 this year (and 8 last year).
   129. Spivey Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:10 PM (#4382517)
I only saw the last 6 minutes of the half, but it was pretty wild between the Spurs and Bulls.
   130. Famous Original Joe C Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:13 PM (#4382519)
I think it is fairly safe to say that the Lakers are unlikely to make up a 20 point deficit in 12 min.


Really killing it with the predictions tonight. 2 point game with 2 minutes to play.
   131. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:18 PM (#4382521)
Lakers and Hornets now tied with under a minute to go.
   132. RollingWave Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:19 PM (#4382522)
true , thus I'm predicting that the Mavs will destroy Houston
   133. Maxwn Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:26 PM (#4382527)
Utah is in big trouble.
   134. RollingWave Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:28 PM (#4382529)
gotta hand it to the Lakers for coming back from that, but then again if they lost to their Hornets they're really screwed

2 GB from Utah now, let's see how the HOU/ GSW games go.
   135. RollingWave Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:33 PM (#4382531)
Chandler Parsons 6 strait game over 20 points.

Harden is having a pretty bad shooting night though. 4-14 , but he did hit 9 free throws and have 8 ass
   136. Maxwn Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:34 PM (#4382532)
Look at Utah's next 8 games: @CHI, @NYK, DET, @OKC, MEM, NYK, @HOU, @SAS. How many of those games are they going to be favored in? 1? Maybe in the MEM/NYK games at home. For all that everyone wants to say LAL's got to play great to catch them, the Lakers could go 4-4 and be up a 1/2 game in 2 weeks.
   137. Maxwn Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:36 PM (#4382533)
2 GB from Utah now,

It's just a game and a half. It is two in the loss column though.
   138. RollingWave Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:43 PM (#4382536)
did Dirk just foul himself out with a technical?
   139. rr Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:43 PM (#4382537)
Even as bad as the season has been, I gotta give the Lakers some credit for doing that in the 4th Q of a back-to-back, regardless of opponent.
   140. RollingWave Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:49 PM (#4382541)
wooooooooooo... Thomas Robinson suddenly looks good, Block Marian (Dirk got Reb) then grabbed Dirks missed throw, then passed it out for Harden to take the lead.

   141. RollingWave Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:51 PM (#4382546)
Also, Houston's playing the ultimate small lineup right now, Parsons / Robinson / Harden / Beverly / Delfino ?
   142. Booey Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:54 PM (#4382548)
Holy frickin crap, Jazz. Seems they want to hand the Lakers that playoff spot on a silver platter. I'm pretty sure any 12 of us selected at random could beat the Jazz on the road at this point. The Lakers could win 41 games and still get the 8th seed by 2 games the way Utah has been playing. If we can't even hold a lead vs the damn Cavs, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Jazz lost out on the road the rest of the season. Their only hope would be to win every home game, but with homies against the Thunder, Grizz, Knicks, Nets, and Nuggs, that ain't happening.

I hate to say it, but I think it's not only possible but actually quite likely now that LAL will make the playoffs while the Jazz stay home. A team that blows an 8 point lead with like 2 minutes to go against Cleveland is going in a very different direction than one that comes back from 20 down in the 4th to win on the road (even against the Pelicans).
   143. RollingWave Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:55 PM (#4382549)
WTF ARE YOU DOING KEVIN MCHALE, WHY IS OMER ASIK AND JEREMY LIN ON THE BENCH FOR THE WHOLE QUARTER WHEN NEITHER IS IN FOUL TROUBLE OR PLAYING POORLY
   144. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 06, 2013 at 11:58 PM (#4382552)
Harden's ability to get into the lane and pick up a whistle is almost Magic-like.
   145. Spivey Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:01 AM (#4382554)
Manu Ginobili is basically a better, guard version of Larry Sanders. Something exciting is always going to happen when he's involved.
   146. RollingWave Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:06 AM (#4382556)
Oh goodie, they take away Lin's buzzer beater 3 at the half and now the Rockets are about to lose by 2.

#### the refs
   147. Booey Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:13 AM (#4382564)
Thank you, Dallas. This upgrades tonight's events from a kick in the groin to a mere punch in the gut.
   148. Maxwn Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:17 AM (#4382567)
it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Jazz lost out on the road the rest of the season.

That's kind of what made me decide that they were probably screwed. I was looking at the schedule and noticed that essentially every road game they have left is against either a playoff team or one of the semi-respectable lottery teams. Given that the Jazz are basically terrible on the road, it is not a pretty picture.
   149. Maxwn Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:19 AM (#4382570)
I'm rooting for SAC now. Let's turn the bottom of the West into a free-for-all.
   150. Booey Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:45 AM (#4382583)
#148 - Well I expected them to lose almost all the road games, but I figured they'd still be okay as long as they won the few roadies against awful teams (Cleveland, Minnesota), and then took care of the homies against everyone but the elites (OKC, MEM, DEN). But apparently neither of those things are gonna happen. They're losing on the road to Cleveland and at home to the Celts and Hawks. Yeah, they're probably toast. This better be a very busy offseason.
   151. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:46 AM (#4382584)
I turned the Laker game off after the 3rd quarter to do daddy and husbandy things. Darn it all, missed the best part of what's turned out to be a really great night for LAL. They really had no business winning tonight. Say what you will about this overpaid, under-performing group, but they had a mountain to climb tonight just like they've had a mountain to climb since the first month of the season, and they've never quit on themselves.
   152. rr Posted: March 07, 2013 at 02:25 AM (#4382625)
The Lakers play in Orlando next week, and Howard has gotten things rolling nicely:

Link


Howard told KCAL, a Los Angeles CBS affiliate, in an interview this week: "My team in Orlando was a team full of people who nobody wanted, and I was the leader, and I led that team with a smile on my face."

Howard clarified those comments Wednesday.

Add J.J. Redick to the list of former teammates who were none too pleased with Howard's comments.

"I'm not surprised by it," Redick told ESPNLosAngeles.com Wednesday evening before his Milwaukee Bucks played the Los Angeles Clippers. "I would be more surprised when Dwight starts taking responsibility. That would be the most negative thing I can say, but that's the truth."
   153. RollingWave Posted: March 07, 2013 at 03:35 AM (#4382630)
Who would be shocked if the Magics beat the Lakers and the media go nuts on that commnet.
   154. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 07, 2013 at 04:35 AM (#4382635)
I'd be shocked if the media didn't go nuts on that comment regardless of what happens in that game.
   155. RollingWave Posted: March 07, 2013 at 04:53 AM (#4382636)
that being said, is Dwight the new Chris Bosh? or at least the NBA A-rod? he has a spectacular ability to make himself look really bad. and often not intentionally.

   156. bob gee Posted: March 07, 2013 at 08:56 AM (#4382672)
i can't think of a worse pro coach for x's and o's and player substitutions than kevin mchale.

lin and asik out for the entire 4th quarter? when both were doing at least ok, and the subs weren't lighting it up? insane.

btw, i understand riding beverley as the hot hand a few games ago, although i wouldn't have done it b/c i believe you let young starters come back in to keep confidence / make sure they know how to close games. but yesterday was absolutely terrible.

there's players who mchale trusts (harden, parsons, delfino, any guard who looks like they're running fast lie douglas and beverley) and some he doesn't (lin, asik). harden, yup, you want to ride him, and parsons is good...the rest, they haven't shown you they're even starters, so why ride them?

and somehow francisco garcia got 22 minutes in his second game with the rockets. wow.

edit: i realized the common thread between the players who mchale likes - they 'look' like they are good. delfino has a real sweet shot motion, garcia's seemed ok. td/pb look like they are prototypical point guards.
   157. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 07, 2013 at 09:49 AM (#4382685)
By looking like a prototypical point guard, do you mean build or game? IMO, Beverley is a two learning to be a one - though he does have the physical attributes of a point guard (size, speed, handle, and so on).
(Despite this, I'm a fan and glad he's finally in the league.)
(Related: did anyone see the Hoop Dreams "sequel" centered on him? Wondering if it's any good...)
   158. The District Attorney Posted: March 07, 2013 at 09:56 AM (#4382690)
Dwight's "smile on my face" motif does puzzle me. He seems to go to that "I'm just a kid having fun out there" well quite often. It's one thing if other people say it about you, a la Brett Favre. And a coach might advise you to try to have fun if he sees you care too much and are overthinking. But when "I'm just having fun out there" is the starting point in your own self-image, I tend not to think that's good.
   159. Spivey Posted: March 07, 2013 at 10:03 AM (#4382696)
edit: i realized the common thread between the players who mchale likes - they 'look' like they are good. delfino has a real sweet shot motion, garcia's seemed ok. td/pb look like they are prototypical point guards.

Delfino is a completely acceptable player, though.
   160. jmurph Posted: March 07, 2013 at 10:14 AM (#4382703)
Speaking of Lin and the Rockets, I saw them in person a few weeks ago and was surprised at how poor of a ballhandler Lin still is. I just scanned the turnover % standings and he does look to be on the high end for guards that have played as much as he has (is there a better stat to look at?). One thing that stands out is that he's very upright when he's dribbling, not crouched lower to the ground in a typical basketball stance. It seems to make for some sloppy dribbling.

I don't mean this as a comment on his overall ability, as he's clearly having a decent season.
   161. bob gee Posted: March 07, 2013 at 11:28 AM (#4382770)
spivey - i like delfino as a 3 point specialist off the bench for instant offense and sometimes a good defender on the forward. mchale's had times where he's doing lots more than that - i think one time he was defending the other team's center? i know he's done some chandler parsons drives that were awful.

der k - a little of both. i think beverley has upside, a LOT more than toney douglas. mchale kept trying to make douglas a point guard, and if he talked with any knicks fans, they'd laugh at the idea of that (i watched almost every knicks game the previous couple years, rooting for whoever was playing the knicks). but i don't think there's any reason he should be out there instead of lin unless lin's hurt/sick, or pb has been lights out on offense/defense.

i think the better ones for TO stats are those that base it off of how often you've got the ball, not just a TO/game. there's a weird dichotomy with lin - if he's making turnovers, he's usually playing decent. when he's not, he's usually being way too passive and hurting the team. when mchale had him earlier in the year playing spot up 3 in the corner with harden running the point, that definitely hurt the team - and in that role, i think any other guard would have been better out there, because you've just taken away his best skills. like making asik only shoot the ball from 15 feet and only get rebounds below his waist or something similar.

and, yes, lin can improve his turnovers. he's nowhere near an all star, and is probably the 4th most valuable rocket (behind harden, asik, parsons). but he's got enough flashes of brilliance on actual performance, not how he looks playing.

i've turned this year on howard - i don't know if it's all from the injury, but i wouldn't want him at all with the max. contract. i know his basic numbers are similar to the past couple years with orlando, it just seems that he's aging quicker than expected.

if you want to see a real smile on the face, check our carmelo anthony. if he's smiling during the game, he's either really happy or REALLY po'd. i'm guessing that's the defense mechanism to not pick up a technical - and if so, it's really smart of carmelo to do that.
   162. bob gee Posted: March 07, 2013 at 11:29 AM (#4382774)
oh - question for anyone who watched OKC last year - has harden always been this bad on defense? he's an absolute brilliant beast on offense, but i watch his defense and it looks pretty porous.
   163. Booey Posted: March 07, 2013 at 11:38 AM (#4382785)
that being said, is Dwight the new Chris Bosh? or at least the NBA A-rod? he has a spectacular ability to make himself look really bad. and often not intentionally.


What has Bosh said that made him look particularly bad? Or was that a dig at his physical appearance? Cuz let's face it, dude is fugly.

i can't think of a worse pro coach for x's and o's and player substitutions than kevin mchale.


Ty Corbin
   164. Manny Coon Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:03 PM (#4382807)
i can't think of a worse pro coach for x's and o's and player substitutions than kevin mchale.


Vinny Del Negro?
   165. andrewberg Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:43 PM (#4382850)
Yeah, they're probably toast. This better be a very busy offseason.


They'll be busy waving goodbye to Millsap and Jefferson. Actually, that wouldn't be such a bad thing if they got a real PG who their coach will play coming in.

oh - question for anyone who watched OKC last year - has harden always been this bad on defense? he's an absolute brilliant beast on offense, but i watch his defense and it looks pretty porous.


For one, I think it was easier to hide him with Westbrook, Sefolosha, and Durant playing around him. For another, Morey did a ton of media during Sloan and always said that they lean so heavily on Harden offensively that he has little in the tank for defense. That's not a total excuse, and his defense is very concerning to me, but it is interesting to note.
   166. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:53 PM (#4382864)
Pelton, you lurking?
   167. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 07, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4382881)
They'll be busy waving goodbye to Millsap and Jefferson. Actually, that wouldn't be such a bad thing if they got a real PG who their coach will play coming in.
I think it's for of an OR situation, right? What's boggling is that with both these guys heading towards the market, they couldn't pull a deal for either one them.

At least Marvin Williams is coming back. Ugh.
   168. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: March 07, 2013 at 02:25 PM (#4382952)
They'll be busy waving goodbye to Millsap and Jefferson. Actually, that wouldn't be such a bad thing if they got a real PG who their coach will play coming in.


Maybe they should ask LDS leadership to send waves of missionaries to Chris Paul? That's probably the only scenario where he'd sign in Salt Lake.

Who else is available? I think Brandon Jennings, Jeff Teague, and Darren Collison are RFA. None of them are that appealing, but I might take a chance on Jennings since he's so young, and the Jazz could really use someone that can create their own shot. I guess Jose Calderon is a possibility, though his defense...

Any good trade targets?

   169. Famous Original Joe C Posted: March 07, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4382969)
Any good trade targets?


Rondo, maybe?
   170. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 07, 2013 at 02:48 PM (#4382978)
I hear Alfonso Soriano is available.
   171. Booey Posted: March 07, 2013 at 03:11 PM (#4383004)
I still liked the Eric Bledsoe rumor from earlier. What's his status?
   172. smileyy Posted: March 07, 2013 at 03:15 PM (#4383007)
For another, Morey did a ton of media during Sloan and always said that they lean so heavily on Harden offensively that he has little in the tank for defense. That's not a total excuse, and his defense is very concerning to me, but it is interesting to note.


I can definitely see HOU saying "James, we don't need you playing hard on defense this year." However, I could see him needing to turn that dial back up in the future to make a more successful team. But this year? I'd definitely put on the Harden show.
   173. Manny Coon Posted: March 07, 2013 at 04:40 PM (#4383101)
I still liked the Eric Bledsoe rumor from earlier. What's his status?


It's hard to say what the Clippers really want for him. Their management values him a lot more than Del Negro does, but it's hard to say exactly how much. After Paul is resigned he'll probably be more available, because they are worried about his contract situation after the next season, but at the same time if they are serious about contending next year they aren't going to get a better player for the price next year and things will be tight with Griffin's extension and Paul's potential new contract. It's also possible Del Negro isn't back next year and whatever new coach they bring in appreciates him more.

I think a trade with Hayward as a main piece has potential, but I think the Clipper value Bledsoe a little more to where something else would need to be added. I don't think they would really be interested in Jefferson.
   174. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: March 07, 2013 at 04:42 PM (#4383103)
I think 173 is a good point - it really depends when and how the Clips' season ends. I think there's a huge range of possibilities as to whether or not Bledsoe is starting for the Clips at PG next year to being available for relatively cheap.
   175. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: March 07, 2013 at 04:49 PM (#4383111)
This CP3 pass is nuts.
   176. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: March 07, 2013 at 06:57 PM (#4383291)
I would like Bledsoe, but I don't see a good fit between the Clippers and Jazz. Hayward is their only good wing, and probably more likely to stick with Utah longterm. I'm not convinced Bledsoe is better either, but I wouldn't really argue it.

As has been covered, there's little reason to think the Clippers would deal him for Jefferson or Millsap. Favors will probably be expensive like Bledsoe, and his strengths and weaknesses overlap pretty well with Jordan. Kanter might be interesting for them since he can shoot from midrange and could play well with either Griffin or Jordan, but it would take more than Kanter to get Bledsoe.
   177. Booey Posted: March 07, 2013 at 09:35 PM (#4383480)
I would like Bledsoe, but I don't see a good fit between the Clippers and Jazz. Hayward is their only good wing, and probably more likely to stick with Utah longterm. I'm not convinced Bledsoe is better either, but I wouldn't really argue it.


Agreed. Not only is it not guaranteed that Bledsoe is even better than Hayward to begin with , but this wouldn't solve the Jazz's problems, either. Their problem is that they have a logjam at PF/C, while having no good PG's and only one good wing. This trade would leave them with an even bigger problem at wing without addressing their PF/C problem at all. So yeah, I'd pass on that one.
   178. RollingWave Posted: March 07, 2013 at 09:44 PM (#4383483)
What has Bosh said that made him look particularly bad? Or was that a dig at his physical appearance? Cuz let's face it, dude is fugly.


Yeah that, and because he's actually a nice guy don't help in terms of not getting picked on / made fun of.

Lin: yes his dribble is still pretty blah (also doesn't help that he's kinda tall for a PG), he beats you by exploding past you and he has really nice play making ability / court vision . but the dribble part is an issue for him , if he can improve on that and the whole going left thing, and retain the improvements he made shooting 3s this year (check out his monthly 3pt split)? that's scary. he's still shown plenty of flashes this season of him being able to dominate a game at times. and that's despite playing with Harden who overlap with him a bit too much. if the two can work out a more consistent way to doing things then they're scary as hell.

Beverly : Beverly has some of the same issue Lin does. on the defensive side he tend to over compensate on the ball and blows the rotation. both can be mean 1 on 1 defenders though. Bev doesn't have the same slash ability as Lin though, but do seem to be a better dribbler at this point. it is kinda amazing how a guy like that can not get a job in the NBA. the Jazz certainly could use him nowadays. He's a big time gambler though, even more so than Lin, he tend to always crash the offensive board and that burns them about as often as it helps. (though a new study does show that you probably should have 2 guys crash the board, and it might as well bet he fast guy who still have a chance to get back I guess.)

I guess you can look on the side that this year for the Rockets, the plan was and still is to just let it rip and let the players develop. to this go they've been wildly successful. pretty much everyone on the roster developed including guys riding the bench, guys signed out d-league, and guys declared dead last year (Morris / Douglas), the only guy that you can say isn't doing as well as last year as a whole is Lin, but in more objective context he's improved quite a bit too.

The general argument for McHale yesterday on not using Asik was that they were hacking him and he was Free throwing poorly, but that seems like a pretty poor decision, the Mavs were actually in pretty deep foul trouble yesterday and Dirk fouled out close to the very end, if they just keep Asik in they probably foul themself out of the game anyway even if he keep hitting only half his free throw.

Although, Thomas Robinson looked much better in these 2 games against Dallas.



   179. smileyy Posted: March 07, 2013 at 10:02 PM (#4383496)
Bosh's (perceived?) underperformance pre-title in MIA opened him up to a lot of that. I think he's silenced any legitimate criticism since then.
   180. RollingWave Posted: March 07, 2013 at 10:19 PM (#4383509)
A bit off topic , but since there's only 2 games today, Royce White seem to finally decides to show up and play in the last couple days. after a horrendous start he had 2 strait pretty good looking game (game 1, 10 points 10 reb 5 ass, game 2 , 23 points 9 reb / 4 ass , both game with some steal / blocks too, if he can do something like that in the NBA he'll at least be a Fatansy star I guess :P). interesting to see what he does the rest of the way.

   181. Spivey Posted: March 07, 2013 at 10:41 PM (#4383520)
Lin: yes his dribble is still pretty blah (also doesn't help that he's kinda tall for a PG), he beats you by exploding past you and he has really nice play making ability / court vision . but the dribble part is an issue for him , if he can improve on that and the whole going left thing, and retain the improvements he made shooting 3s this year (check out his monthly 3pt split)? that's scary. he's still shown plenty of flashes this season of him being able to dominate a game at times. and that's despite playing with Harden who overlap with him a bit too much. if the two can work out a more consistent way to doing things then they're scary as hell.


I don't see it. He's a bottom third starting PG. His 3pt FG% is exactly where it was last year. I think the improving over month is going to be mostly noise. His ability to take over a game is nothing that special other than he's given more of an opportunity to do it than a lot of guys of his caliber. The bottom third of starting PGs and good bench guards can dominate games.

I root for him, and I like him - but his stats over the last 2 years suggest he's a role player. Which is still impressive given nobody expected that.
   182. Famous Original Joe C Posted: March 07, 2013 at 11:07 PM (#4383544)
(Double) Primer RT:

@netw3rk: No choice *chopchopchop* RT @mdotbrown: JR is the Knicks cocaine. Great in small doses, but depend on him too long & you'll be out of a job.
   183. RollingWave Posted: March 07, 2013 at 11:34 PM (#4383570)
well, we'll see if the 3P improvement is noise of not obviously, but given that it's been pretty darn consistent, and that there was the obvious whole coming back from knee surgery thing, the odds seems better than normal.

There is also the context of age and experience. for example him being better than 24 year old Dragic but not 26 year old one . of course everyone develop differently , so that is really hard to say, you have guys like Dragic / Lowry that had a pretty steady upward trend, you have guys like Nash who suddenly became much better later on, you have guys like Jrue Holliday who's improvement seems to be difficult to tell (in terms of per min production) . and you have guys like Deron William who was great almost right away then began to fall back.

So who knows? but there seem to be at least a decent chance that he's more Lowry / Dragic in terms of improvement I'd guess. though Nash type of tragectory obviously isn't the norm. (then again, there also isn't a lot in Lin's game that suggest he's the norm.)







   184. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 07, 2013 at 11:52 PM (#4383593)
That's a bad last possession for the Knicks. Nothing going on.
   185. Maxwn Posted: March 08, 2013 at 02:49 AM (#4383773)
Memphis is now a game up on LAC in the loss column, but they're still 1.5 back because of the odd disparity in games played. If they can manage to win all 3 @CLE, NOH, @POR, it will be within a .5 game leading into the game in LA next Wed as the Clips only play DET in LA in that period.

I should also point out that neither one of these teams is really safe from DEN at the moment. DEN's 1 back of MEM and 2.5 back of LAC. I'm pretty sure that DEN's got the tiebreaker on both of those teams after beating the Clips tonight. After playing the Clippers on Wed, the Grizz turn around and play the Nuggets in Denver on Friday, so this could be a pretty big week for the middle of the West.

This little stretch for the Grizzlies is one where they play 6 games in 9 days, all but one on the road. This could go way wrong.
   186. bob gee Posted: March 08, 2013 at 08:36 AM (#4383813)
165 @andrew - thanks for relaying the morey quote. it makes perfect sense, since i've seen him play 'Matador d' (tm clyde frazier) but literally turning sideways to completely avoid any contact without being in any foul trouble.

178 - i heard that. if legit, it's pretty awful thinking, and you've cited just some of the reason. plus, the *entire* fourth? i could understand if it was for a part of it, but not the whole thing. and the best way to play a young team is to give them enough time with specific roles that give them enough playing time, yet flexibility for outstanding performance / awful performances. neither in play that game (lin/asik good, beverley/t-rob not amazing).

180 - royce white is playing decent? those last few games of his were atrocious. i've gone from "awesome job by him to be aware of working with his illness and rockets allowing him some freedom" (in october) to dislike of him from all his twitter stuff, his comments towards non-haters (not me, don't even have an acct).

184 - that's jr smith for you. some nights, you'll get a ton of points on a ton of shots. most nights, you'll get a ton of misses. i have seen him make a game winner on a similar kind of sick shot (charlotte?) but it's really not the best play for the end of game.

   187. RollingWave Posted: March 08, 2013 at 08:47 AM (#4383817)
186: he was meh in his first 2 game, then terrible in the next 3, in the lastest 2 he's actually playing well, given that he tagged on the team half way through I guess it wasn't a huge shocker that he sucked initially
   188. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: March 08, 2013 at 10:44 AM (#4383907)
Anyone care to take a guess at the 3 teams that have managed to go into Denver and emerge victorious?
   189. JJ1986 Posted: March 08, 2013 at 10:52 AM (#4383914)
I know one of them is Washington.
   190. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: March 08, 2013 at 01:02 PM (#4384030)
Derrick Rose's doctor has cleared the Chicago Bulls' star to play, a team source said, but his long-awaited return to the lineup won't occur, Rose has told the team, until he can confidently dunk off his left foot.

Rose, who had surgery to repair a tear to the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee on May 12, has been videotaped dunking off each foot, but more casually than he would during a game. A source said while he has been practicing and scrimmaging hard, he told the Bulls that until he feels "in his mind" he can confidently dunk off his left foot in a game situation, he is not 100 percent mentally ready to return to competition.

The team is not pressuring Rose, the source said, but the Bulls are confident he will return this season and are still hoping for a mid-March return, which would mark 10 months after his surgery. The Bulls play at Golden State on March 15.

The source said the team has been assured by Rose's doctor there is no more chance of the former MVP getting injured upon his return than anyone else and that the doctor told the Bulls that physically "he can play now." Rose is now dealing with the psychological side of trusting his body.


It's a freakin' rollercoaster over here. I gotta say, it seems to me like the team is pressuring him, now publicly, and he's resisting.
   191. kpelton Posted: March 08, 2013 at 01:20 PM (#4384055)
Pelton, you lurking?

Were you asking about yesterday's subtweet?
   192. RollingWave Posted: March 08, 2013 at 01:22 PM (#4384057)
I guess the good thing is that

A. The bulls are play reasonably well

B. Andrew Bynum makes everyone else looks better

of Rose would be getting a lot more flak than he is now.
   193. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: March 08, 2013 at 01:46 PM (#4384087)
[189] WAS is correct. That was their 3rd home loss of the season.
   194. JJ1986 Posted: March 08, 2013 at 01:51 PM (#4384093)
I think Miami beat them too, although I might be confusing that with last year. No idea who the third team is.
   195. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: March 08, 2013 at 01:58 PM (#4384106)
[194] MIA was their first home loss and the second was MIN. Weird mix of teams. Before looking it up I was hoping it would be MIA, SAS, OKC or something along those lines so I could begin to make an argument in my head that they will win every home playoff game so all they need to do each series is steal 1 on the road.
   196. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 08, 2013 at 02:06 PM (#4384114)
191 - yup
   197. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: March 08, 2013 at 03:02 PM (#4384182)
[195] I think that argument is just as valid with those losses as it would be with MIA/SAS/OKC.

of Rose would be getting a lot more flak than he is now.

It's starting, locally at least. Between this today and his brother's comments last week, it's the first time he's really taken any heat here - and heat's too strong of a word. But it's still more than ever before.

EDIT: The "heat" is from people described here:

What's interesting is that the doctor clearing Rose is his own, not one working for the team. This has been a worry of mine for a while, that the organization would clear Rose and he would still choose to sit out. That scenario would have caused a sure-fire shitstorm between Rose sympathizers and a group I'm deeming "D. Rose Truthers" -- people who believe the Bulls star is healthy enough to play right now and that he would be back in the lineup if not for some sort of mysterious puppet-master (think: his family, adidas) pulling strings behind the scenes.
   198. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 08, 2013 at 03:12 PM (#4384193)
His brothers comments are what I think is creating most of this. He really should have been quiet and not said anything.
   199. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: March 08, 2013 at 03:30 PM (#4384222)
His brother's comments play a role but I think he would still get a ton of flack given: (1) His importance to the team (2) His 110% comment (3) The fact that he and Shumpert were injured the same day and Shumpert is already back and playing at a really high level.
   200. andrewberg Posted: March 08, 2013 at 03:47 PM (#4384254)
I don't think Adidas is pulling the strings to keep him from playing after they built an entire ad campaign around #hisreturn. The brother thing might be true, but the evidence is pretty limited. I wouldn't be comfortable drawing conclusions on that basis. I think that we are getting a lot of contradictory information because everyone wants to be first to the story, but that not all that much time has actually passed. His doctor JUST cleared him. It's not unusual to take some time to get back up to full speed after that. Let's give this a few days or a couple of weeks to see if there is anything to the stalling suspicion.
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