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OT: NBA Monthly Thread - March 2013

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, but with our own thread, we won’t detract from what this site is really about: hunting and apostrophes.

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   701. andrewberg Posted: March 23, 2013 at 01:27 AM (#4394833)
Flip
   702. RollingWave Posted: March 23, 2013 at 06:04 AM (#4394857)
The good news for the Lakers is that Utah is basically in full implosion mode now, and Dallas is really too far behind them that they should get a seat as long as they don't completely implode in the final dozen games.

Rockets now half game behind GSW again, thought they have 4 strait games againts top seed teams coming up (then again, the Rcokets basically win against good teams at about the same rate as against bad teams.)
   703. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 23, 2013 at 07:57 PM (#4395098)
@KBergCBS: Grizzlies announce Marc Gasol re-aggravated abdominal tear last night at New Orleans and is out indefinitely.
   704. smileyy Posted: March 23, 2013 at 08:34 PM (#4395112)
[703] Guess we better put an asterisk on these playoffs too.

But seriously, that sucks.
   705. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 23, 2013 at 10:56 PM (#4395163)
wow bulls pulled it out tonight, shocked
   706. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 24, 2013 at 01:21 AM (#4395192)
@KBergCBS: Grizzlies announce Marc Gasol re-aggravated abdominal tear last night at New Orleans and is out indefinitely.
Dammit, dammit, dammit.

Denver's streak is up to 15.
   707. PJ Martinez Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:40 PM (#4395547)
@Chris_Broussard LeBron made great pt post game bout '72 Lakers 33 W streak; said lots of best players were in ABA not NBA - Dr.J, Rick Barry, Artis Gilmore
   708. RollingWave Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:55 PM (#4395555)
Weird game, Rockets finally manage to beat the Spurs in their final meeting of the year, but the pace was relatively slow, their 3s weren't falling, and Lin had his second strait off game. I guess it's that their defense is finally showing some improvements.
   709. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 10:29 PM (#4395568)
Really would rather not see a DEN-HOU 1st round matchup. Want to be able to cheer for both squads.
   710. RollingWave Posted: March 24, 2013 at 10:36 PM (#4395570)
I'd figure in the Rocket's case, they are (and is wise to) just make sure they get in first and forget about seeding. they're not that much more likely to beat anyone really (well ok maybe Memphis without Gasol, but they're not really in position to make that happen anyway.)

   711. Maxwn Posted: March 24, 2013 at 10:56 PM (#4395576)
well ok maybe Memphis without Gasol

FWIW, none of the local writers/Grizz people seem to be really worried about Gasol missing the playoffs. Lionel specifically called it game-to-game a few times, so I'm not sweating him being out for the playoffs as of yet. Things could change but I expect he'll be back before then. It may cost them a shot at finishing ahead of Denver, but given the remaining schedules and the fact that DEN doesn't seem inclined to lose again, that was getting hard to see anyway. The LAC-MEM battle for HCA is still very much in play, I think, particularly if LAC would do us the favor of dropping some games during this road 4-in-5 they have this week.
   712. RollingWave Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:46 PM (#4395595)
Even then, the Rockets match up better against Memphis, seeing that they ran them off the court for a 25 point rout last time they met.

But what's the point, the Nuggets are going to finish 3rd anyway, between Spurs / OKC / Denever it's a literally pick your poison for the 6/7/8 seed teams. I guess the Rockets might be able to win 1 or even 2 against any of those 3 but to ask for more is too much.

   713. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:57 PM (#4395605)
EDIT: Forget it.
   714. steagles Posted: March 25, 2013 at 12:04 AM (#4395609)
SIXERS WIN!!! SIXERS WIN!!! SIXERS WIN...





...their first road game in 3 months.


   715. Maxwn Posted: March 25, 2013 at 12:29 AM (#4395616)
Even then, the Rockets match up better against Memphis, seeing that they ran them off the court for a 25 point rout last time they met.

Fair enough, I'll grant you that HOU is a tougher matchup than most for the Grizzlies.

But what's the point, the Nuggets are going to finish 3rd anyway, between Spurs / OKC / Denever it's a literally pick your poison for the 6/7/8 seed teams.

Nah. I've got nothing but respect for DEN, they're clearly a very tough, tough team, but I'd easily prefer them over OKC or SAS. Houston probably isn't beating any of them, but I think they'd have a real shot against DEN. The 15-game winning streak is very impressive, but there's a reason they've won 15 straight and are still 3 back of OKC.
   716. tshipman Posted: March 25, 2013 at 01:23 AM (#4395623)
But what's the point, the Nuggets are going to finish 3rd anyway, between Spurs / OKC / Denever it's a literally pick your poison for the 6/7/8 seed teams.


Man, I see those three as very different.

I want Denver more than any other team, and I want the Spurs after that. OKC is easily the team I want to face the least in the playoffs in the West, and behind only Miami overall.
   717. RollingWave Posted: March 25, 2013 at 06:45 AM (#4395637)
Though the Rockets have managed to beat the Spurs / Thunder at least once this year, they have yet to do that against the Nuggets
   718. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 25, 2013 at 08:25 AM (#4395653)
Went to the Wolves/Bulls game last night. The teams were pretty much even in everything except rebounding. It turns out if one team rebounds and the other doesn't that the rebounding team wins (odd huh). Seriously the Wolves rebounding was turrible.

Overall Rubio looked good (plenty of energy on both O and D, and clearly cares about winning)and Pek and Williams had their moments. Chase had his return (I think it was his first game back - too lazy to look it up). AK47 played I guess, but he was near invisible. The team really missed Love and his rebounding. I still don't know how the Love/Williams mess will resolve (though Love is obviously a better player), can they share the frontcourt with Pek? Minutes sharing? Trade?

Overall the Bulls looked like a team that cared way more than the Wolves (shocking I know).

Anyway the best part of the game was that the Gophers were playing at the same time and by going to the game I missed them getting beaten by Florida.

What a tragically lost season for MN basketball this has been. Oh well, there is always next year I guess.
   719. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 25, 2013 at 11:19 AM (#4395772)
Overall the Bulls looked like a team that cared way more than the Wolves (shocking I know).

Bulls were only down 4 guys last night - Rose, Rip*, Bellinelli and Noah**; and both Hinrich and Gibson are on minutes limits as they come back from their injuries. They've lost a number of games like that this year, so it was nice of them to show up last night. I didn't watch that one, or the one the night before against Indy (thank you for the distraction NCAA tourney).

On the bright side, I had a dream last night that Rose returned against the Heat tomorrow. So...

*Please, stay away.
**His plantar is acting up again, this is not a good thing for a big man to have recurring foot problems. He missed the Indy game too, so that's a bad loss for the Pacers.
   720. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 25, 2013 at 11:20 AM (#4395774)
Right now, the 3/6 matchup in the East is Bulls/Pacers. I want nothing to do with that, regardless of whether Rose comes back or not. I'd much rather see the Knicks, Nets or Hawks.
   721. smileyy Posted: March 25, 2013 at 01:11 PM (#4395869)
Does anyone get the feeling that the Heat care more about the winning streak than they're letting on? I think they know they're not going to win 70 games in a season, they're not going to win 6 titles. But they're legitimately great, and I think they see this winning streak as a chance to make their lasting mark on the NBA.
   722. smileyy Posted: March 25, 2013 at 01:12 PM (#4395871)
Random thought: set the draft order at the All-Star break, and hold the NBA draft after the conclusion of the NCAA Tournament, allowing players to join for the final month(?) of the season and playoffs.
   723. Famous Original Joe C Posted: March 25, 2013 at 01:30 PM (#4395880)
Right now, the 3/6 matchup in the East is Bulls/Pacers. I want nothing to do with that, regardless of whether Rose comes back or not. I'd much rather see the Knicks, Nets or Hawks.


As a fan of an East team whose upside is #5 (and likelihood is #7), amen to that. I'd much rather see the Knicks or Nets in round 1 than the Pacers.
   724. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: March 25, 2013 at 02:07 PM (#4395907)
[721] I thought they had already acknowledged that it IS something they would like to get? Or was I just reading into a random comment?
   725. smileyy Posted: March 25, 2013 at 02:49 PM (#4395956)
[724] Not sure -- I just remember them downplaying it a bit at first.
   726. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: March 25, 2013 at 03:14 PM (#4395993)
My memory (which may be off) is that they downplayed it at first, but over the last week or so they have admitted that the possibility is exciting and is driving them.
   727. rr Posted: March 25, 2013 at 04:06 PM (#4396075)
Does anyone get the feeling that the Heat care more about the winning streak than they're letting on?
--

Maybe. I talked about this a couple of weeks ago, and remember who runs the Heat and the fact that he played on the '72 Lakers. Riley often talks about things in historical terms. When he guaranteed the Lakers repeat in 1988, (no one had repeated since the 1969 Celtics back then, so it was a big deal at the time) he talked about "leaving footprints in history." In New York, he talked about visualizing the parade in the "Canyon of Heroes" and how the Knicks would always be part of New York sports lore if they won a title there, etc. I would guess that he has talked about 34 in a row with the Heat guys and Spoelstra in those terms, but even if he hasn't, my guess is that Spoelstra would like to get the record for him and has mentioned that to the team.
   728. andrewberg Posted: March 25, 2013 at 06:03 PM (#4396245)
That was an interesting poing in 721. I do not think 34 wins in a row trumps 70 in a season, but it is not far off, and it would be a pretty cool mark for the team.
   729. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 25, 2013 at 09:38 PM (#4396402)
john wall with the career game: 47/7/8 in a win over the grizz.
   730. RollingWave Posted: March 25, 2013 at 09:48 PM (#4396417)
wooo.. Denver in big trouble against the Hornets, (on the road, of course.)
   731. Kurt Posted: March 25, 2013 at 10:34 PM (#4396438)
john wall with the career game: 47/7/8 in a win over the grizz.

Pretty remarkable game. He played the entire second half (Beal, Webster, Nene and Ariza were all out) and was obviously gassed down the stretch.
   732. PJ Martinez Posted: March 25, 2013 at 10:54 PM (#4396449)
@tomhaberstroh Just discovered that Rajon Rondo still leads the league in triple-doubles (5). LeBron is 2nd with 4.
   733. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 25, 2013 at 11:31 PM (#4396467)
Lakers getting run out of the gym against GSW.
   734. RollingWave Posted: March 26, 2013 at 01:11 AM (#4396487)
teams starting 2 center, and 3 wings well over 30 years ago gets run out of the gym by young fast teams?

(I should also note that the Lakers got twice as many FTA, but shot 26% from 3, and never had a lead past the first 10 min. )
   735. bigboy1234 Posted: March 26, 2013 at 07:25 PM (#4397179)
Wall averaging 25 and 9 in the past 9 games on 55.5% shooting. Damn impressive.
   736. madvillain Posted: March 26, 2013 at 08:00 PM (#4397194)
His plantar is acting up again, this is not a good thing for a big man to have recurring foot problems. He missed the Indy game too, so that's a bad loss for the Pacers.


He probably has flat feet, seeing how its bothered him for more than one season now. There is no treatment other than rest so hopefully he sits a couple more games and can manage the pain the rest of the way.

This has been the season from hell with all the injuries. At some point you just throw up your hands and simultaneously curse and praise Thibs. It might be his style that is leading to all the injuries but he has the team believing even on nights they have no business winning.
   737. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 26, 2013 at 08:44 PM (#4397207)
   738. RollingWave Posted: March 26, 2013 at 10:46 PM (#4397248)
Celtics reeling after that heat game... hmmm..

Dallas would put itself back into the race if they can beat the Clippers today.

So Royce White is playing with the Vipers again /facepalm this has got to be one of the most absurd rookie season ever. (would be comical if you didn't root for the Rockets.) he's actually having a great game though, a super efficient 19 points / 8 board / 6 assist game with no foul and like 1 TO. he hit almost all his shots and even a 3 (though he did lob a air ball 3 when the game's over.) I maintain that if he can keep his head on he should be able to play in the NBA, the IF part is a huge IF though.

But the Vipers are kinda unfair down there, with White / Jones / Rice / Goudelock their like the D league Heat or something.

   739. steagles Posted: March 27, 2013 at 12:00 AM (#4397334)
i have a new crush. that tongue...those armpits...just...yeah.

overall, i'd slot him well ahead of luke babbitt and austin daye. troy murphy is out of the league now, but with his nose, he'll always have a spot on this particular leaderboard (pasty white guys who are 6'8).

so basically, layman is on the level of kyle singler and ahead of gordon heyward by about a nose.


best of all, he's only a freshman. oh, and he'll be at madison square garden next week for the NIT's final 4.
   740. Morph Posted: March 27, 2013 at 12:49 AM (#4397397)
I'm happy with the Knicks. It's not a legendary season by any means, but they have played well, despite several key injuries. I'd be pretty bummed out if they didn't win a playoff series.
   741. andrewberg Posted: March 27, 2013 at 12:55 AM (#4397401)

But the Vipers are kinda unfair down there, with White / Jones / Rice / Goudelock their like the D league Heat or something.


Morey's Valhalla.
   742. RollingWave Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:17 AM (#4397408)
Dallas wins, 1 game behind Lakers now.

3 games coming up for the LAL / UTA / DAL

LAL 3 strait road game against MIN / MIL / SAC with the first 2 being B2B (all 3 are tricky teams really.)

UTA against Phoenix / Portland / Brooklyn (2 home 1 away 1 B2B)

DAL against Pacers / Bull / Lakers (2 home 1 away no B2B) . toughest opponents but most friendly schedule, Pacers is on their Texas road trip, IIRC most teams gets killed in that Texas road trip and they're going to play Dallas a day after playing Houston.


The Dal vs Lakers game could potentially be big though.

if you told people that late March Dallas vs Lakers would be both team fighting for dear life before the season, you'd get laughed out of town, yet here we are.

   743. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 27, 2013 at 06:47 AM (#4397430)
   744. andrewberg Posted: March 27, 2013 at 11:41 AM (#4397591)
Carlisle deserves a lot of credit for getting that team of thrown-together pieces playing so well. Getting Dirk closer to normal helps a lot, but he is really getting the most out of a team starting Mike James and Brandan Wright.
   745. Jimmy P Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:58 PM (#4397726)
It sounds like Metta World Peace may be out for the year. Tore his medial lateral meniscus.
   746. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 27, 2013 at 02:05 PM (#4397734)
that'll give him more time to negotiate a new deal w/ LAL (good luck w/ that, mwp - you'll need it) so he can opt out instead of being amnestied.
   747. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: March 27, 2013 at 02:06 PM (#4397736)
@744
Agreed.
Dallas started the season with a lineup of:
Collison
Mayo
Wright
Brand
Marion

Not to say there isn't talent there, but it looked like a fantasy basketball team picked by someone who hadn't watch the league for 3-4 years.
   748. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:53 PM (#4397896)
   749. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 27, 2013 at 05:14 PM (#4397921)
It sounds like Metta World Peace may be out for the year. Tore his medial lateral meniscus.
I don't root for injuries, but this particular one is good for the Lakers. More Antawn Jamison, more Darius Morris, more Devin Ebanks. The team isn't playing defense, and Peace wasn't giving them much of it. They're now faster without him, and they now gain 3-to-5 horrible possessions per game back from MWP's clutches.
   750. rr Posted: March 27, 2013 at 05:45 PM (#4397936)
Gotta partially disagree with my hombre Hombre here.

Meeks is starting tonight, with Kobe moving to the 3, and I will be extremely surprised if either Morris or Ebanks gets to play in anything but garbage time. MDA played 7 guys in the last night of a 4-in-5 in PHX when Kobe was out rather than giving either of them any burn, and the Lakers were outscored 28-10 in the 4th q. Jamison has a wrist issue but is going to try to play; I could easily see him going 0/5 in 11 minutes or some such.

So, I think it will mean about 35 minutes of Earl Clark, and about 30 for Meeks, unless the game is a blowout. But Clark might actually help more than Metta, so on that level, I agree it could be a plus.

Metta has mostly played hard this year and has played the way the coach wants them to play (shooting quickly and shooting 3s), and until this injury, had stayed on the floor. And while I get that you weren't really slamming him, some fans have, but I think he has given the team what he can give this year.
   751. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 27, 2013 at 05:49 PM (#4397939)
   752. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:06 PM (#4398068)
As fun as this game is, rooting for the all out effort of the Bulls, it's going to be a tough loss when the Heat talent eventually wins out. But hopefully you all can see how a fan would buy into the thought that maybe, just maybe, the Bulls with Rose/Noah/Bellineli might, just might, have a chance to beat the Heat in the playoffs.

I'm posting this as the Heat call a timeout with 9 mins left and the Bulls up 6.
   753. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:25 PM (#4398073)
The Heat...this is what makes a sport great. Parity of the NFL variety (a bunch of teams of indistinguishable quality, any of whom could get hot and win the Superbowl...) is what kills a sport.

   754. RollingWave Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:29 PM (#4398075)
James Harden did his bad Kobe impression today, 22 points on 6-24 shooting.

It's not just his fault of course, the Rockets couldn't push the pace as it seems every possession a random foul gets called, and Lin continue his mini slump (although he didn't shoot the ball poorly. just couldn't get the game going.)

At least Greg Smith had a monster game, 18 points and 19 board and 2 block assist , it eludes me why the Rockets don't play him more before .

   755. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:31 PM (#4398077)
i like this LeBron james individual. lower that shoulder big fella

flagrant? so he gets an arm across the throat and he bumps a guy his size?

apparently stern ordered that the heat needed to lose tonight
   756. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:33 PM (#4398078)
basket counts?

and people complain about baseball umpires
   757. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM (#4398079)
756 - That's the rule in the NBA. Continuation. I'm not crazy about it, but it was called right.

I also think LBJ got the flagrant cause of the face he made before he went into Boozer - it was easy to infer intent.

Finally, Hinrich learned to stop trying to make layups.
   758. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM (#4398080)
after all these ridiculous calls to help out the bulls rooting for the heat.

can't hear the sound so no idea what the announcers are saying. but as a casual observer the refs are looking the other way as Chicago beats the cr9p out of any heat player

to Chicago's credit they are hitting shots

   759. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:41 PM (#4398083)
I still think Miami wins.
   760. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:42 PM (#4398084)
Crap, that bad outlet pass changed the momentum back to the Heat.
   761. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:42 PM (#4398085)
I'd say the Bulls have about a 20% chance of winning, up 5 with 1:15 left.
   762. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:43 PM (#4398086)
HOLY CRAP BOOZER
   763. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:43 PM (#4398087)
Wow.
   764. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:44 PM (#4398088)
I don't. [edit: that was in reference to 759]

By the way, Brandon Jennings cares less about my fantasy team than any of you do.
   765. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:45 PM (#4398089)
Nice work grabbing the rim, LeBron. Lucky for you it went in anyway.
   766. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:45 PM (#4398090)
and there you go. Miami blew it on the rebound and then got their pocket picked

but if this is how games are officiated then i feel for fans because the refs are beyond dreadful.

congrats to the heat on the streak
   767. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:46 PM (#4398093)
Chicago still trying to let them back into the game.
   768. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:48 PM (#4398094)
bulls hitting their shots and their foul shots.
   769. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:49 PM (#4398095)
Chicago still trying to let them back into the game.

That is not a duplicate post.
   770. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:50 PM (#4398096)
Wow. Wow.
   771. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:50 PM (#4398097)
Finally.
   772. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:51 PM (#4398100)
Man, it's hard to resist the Bulls kool-aid after games like this.
   773. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:52 PM (#4398101)
and a jerk fan tries to smack james in the head as he's walking into the tunnel

you appreciate the restraint these guys show with stuff like that. james could easily reach up, drag that clown out with one hand and smash him to the concrete. certainly would have been my inclination.
   774. RollingWave Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:59 PM (#4398106)
Congrat to the bulls
   775. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 27, 2013 at 11:04 PM (#4398108)
correction courtesy of my grandson who says there is an image already circulating

the fan was going for james headband

still a jerk. and a collector of gross things
   776. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 27, 2013 at 11:09 PM (#4398110)
Better reaching for the head band than his jock strap.
   777. Booey Posted: March 27, 2013 at 11:36 PM (#4398122)
Jazz win back to back games for the first time since mid February!!!!!!!

Sounds more impressive when you consider that that winning streak is two games longer than Miami's current one. :-)
   778. Manny Coon Posted: March 27, 2013 at 11:42 PM (#4398126)
Clippers didn't play Grant Hill tonight, improving to 36-10 when he doesn't play compared to 13-13 when he does. Maybe they'll figure out that he's possibly the worst player in the NBA at this point of career and not try to use him anymore, but knowing Del Negro, probably not.
   779. madvillain Posted: March 28, 2013 at 12:31 AM (#4398144)
I don't want to hear any complaining about the officiating coming from Lebron or anyone else. Lebron went what, two weeks without being called for a foul earlier this year? This is a guy who seemingly has patterned parts of his game around gray areas (the gather step rule being one) that are extremely hard to officiate in real time -- so get out with any complaining.

Lebron's awesome but tonight I don't want to here none of it. And D-Rose needs to get his ##### ass out there and fight with the rest of these guys. He's been cleared medically for over a month. GET OUT THERE.
   780. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 28, 2013 at 01:11 AM (#4398153)
with a healthy roster you never know what could happen. I really hope rose comes back his year
   781. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 28, 2013 at 01:40 AM (#4398156)
Grant Hill is just distracted by all the news of his ex-college teammates being named to head coaching jobs.

Bobby Hurley - Buffalo
Chris Collins - Northwestern
   782. madvillain Posted: March 28, 2013 at 04:11 AM (#4398169)
Grant Hill is just distracted by all the news of his ex-college teammates being named to head coaching jobs.

Bobby Hurley - Buffalo
Chris Collins - Northwestern


Dunno anything about Collins other than DUKE! but if Carmody made NU crawl, maybe he can make'em walk, or dance, I guess.

___________

Rose has to come back for the playoffs worst case, right?
   783. Famous Original Joe C Posted: March 28, 2013 at 09:56 AM (#4398307)
But hopefully you all can see how a fan would buy into the thought that maybe, just maybe, the Bulls with Rose/Noah/Bellineli might, just might, have a chance to beat the Heat in the playoffs.


with a healthy roster you never know what could happen. I really hope rose comes back his year


I still can't see it. The Bulls obviously deserve a ton of credit for getting it done last night (shorthanded to boot), but heck, the Celtics nearly beat the Heat last week without Garnett or Rondo, and it's not like they'd do any more than steal one game if everyone was healthy on both sides (different situations, I know, but all of this "hey, what if?" Bulls stuff suddenly appeared after this game). Wacky things happen sometimes. For this year, even with a full roster, the Bulls would need what every other team in the East would need to have any kind of significant chance: an injury to Wade or Bosh (well, or Lebron, but he doesn't get hurt). I look at the 2011 Bulls and how they got handled by a significantly inferior Heat team; this is a better Heat Roster with a better Lebron and the Bulls supporting cast has taken a half or even full step back. YMMV, of course.

Also, despite the antics of headband guy, that was an outstanding home crowd for Chicago last night. Might have helped swing a few calls, certainly helped swing the game.

And D-Rose needs to get his ##### ass out there and fight with the rest of these guys. He's been cleared medically for over a month. GET OUT THERE.


Yeah, he needs to get out there while his head isn't right and he's being tentative and constantly thinking about his knee. It's not like he's the whole franchise for the next 10 years. Those "We got stomped in the Conference Finals" banners fly forever, after all. Just rub some dirt on it and get out there!

   784. bunyon Posted: March 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM (#4398316)
Collins wasn't on the same team with Hill was he? He's a couple of years younger I think.

Looks it up: I'll be damned. He overlapped two years with him. And I was on campus the whole time he was there. I shouldn't have been paying so much attention to school.
   785. steagles Posted: March 28, 2013 at 11:12 AM (#4398386)
so, with collins and hurley taking jobs elsewhere, it's safe to assume that krzyzewzki named wojochiowski his successor, right?

   786. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 28, 2013 at 11:27 AM (#4398405)
Jeff Capel and his 9 years of Division I head coaching experience, at age 38, is on the staff as well.

Other teammates of Grant Hill who are now coaches:

Antonio Lang (head coach of a Japanese team)
Kenny Blakeney (assistant at Delaware, St. Bonaventure, Harvard, and now Marshall)
Billy McCaffrey (former assistant at Maine and St. Bonaventure - don't know what he's doing now actually)
   787. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 28, 2013 at 11:34 AM (#4398408)
785: bfan speculated that stevens might be duke's first choice the other day.
   788. andrewberg Posted: March 28, 2013 at 11:40 AM (#4398413)
I would imagine that a good stint at NW would only help Collins' candidacy at Duke.
   789. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 28, 2013 at 11:56 AM (#4398437)
As a Bulls fan I feel that some hope is better then no hope. After the way last year ended, it would really suck to not see rose back at all this year. I know he has his career to worry about, but he fan in me still really wants to see him in a uniform this year.
   790. rr Posted: March 28, 2013 at 11:56 AM (#4398438)
So, has Rose been cleared by the team doctors, but has another opinion from his own doctor? I have not been following it that closely.

Watching Howard 45 or so times this year, I know that he was

a) Cleared
b) Not himself

Obviously, the idea is that the guy may not be 100% yet but can play without making it worse long-term. At the same time, I have wondered many times if Howard should have waited. The Lakers would be out of the playoffs if he had waited, but long-term for him, and for the team should he decide to stay here, perhaps that would have been better.

So maybe Rose is right? Not saying I know; I have no idea.

   791. andrewberg Posted: March 28, 2013 at 12:11 PM (#4398452)
Dwight has looked better to me the last couple of times I have seen him. It is hard to say whether he is close to where he was at his peak because so many other things around him have changed. I say that because it seems possible that he had to play through some difficult times to get back to his pacing and timing, much like a pitcher coming back from TJ but needing a few more months to be pitching like himself again.
   792. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 28, 2013 at 01:00 PM (#4398504)
So, has Rose been cleared by the team doctors, but has another opinion from his own doctor? I have not been following it that closely.

No, he's been cleared by his own personal doctor for over a month. His doctor said the next step in rehab is playing.

I still can't see it.

Fair enough. FWIW (a whole lot of nothing), the Bulls are now 7-3 against LBJ's Heat in the regular season and that 5 game playoff series was very close. So while I've said before - and said again last night - the talent on the Heat dwarves that of the Bulls now and the Heat are definitely the superior team. But the Bulls do have some matchup advantages and the Heat tend to struggle with them more than other teams. So while my post was heat of the moment, I never said they would beat them in the playoffs, but I could imagine a scenario where it has a small chance of happening.
   793. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 28, 2013 at 01:15 PM (#4398519)
BTW, this picture of LeBron and Patrick Kane makes me laugh. Kane looks like a 12 year old next to LeBron.
   794. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: March 28, 2013 at 01:28 PM (#4398534)
so, with collins and hurley taking jobs elsewhere, it's safe to assume that krzyzewzki named wojochiowski his successor, right?

Nope, he's probably the least likely successor of the guys mentioned above. Duke almost certainly wouldn't hire someone with no head coaching experience, plus Wojo is generally considered last in line among the recent assistants. Collins took on a major role in recruiting, especially with Coach K gone every other summer working with USA Basketball, while Capel tends to lead the practices. Wojo is only known to be the big-man coach, as strange as that sounds. For a while it was widely held that Johnny Dawkins would be the successor, but his 5 years at Stanford with no tourney appearances is making that a longshot (much like Tommy Amaker and his lack of success at Michigan). If none of those guys establishes himself as a successful head coach by the time Coach K retires, they'll probably look outside the program, and Brad Stevens is the name mentioned most often as a target. Coach K is unlikely to retire for at least a few years though, or at least until Boeheim has retired (he wouldn't want to see his wins record broken two years later).

a significantly inferior Heat team; this is a better Heat Roster

I know they have the streak, but isn't this pretty much exactly the same Heat team and the same Heat roster as the other two years? By SRS they're a +7 team this year, after being +6 last year and +7 the year before. By the Hollinger ratings, which heavily weight recent performance including most of the streak, the Heat are still among the top tier of teams but not clearly at the top of that group, i.e. in the same position as in 2011 and 2012. Adding Ray Allen may make the current roster appear better, but at age 37 his lack of defense and shot creation put him on par with the Mike Miller and James Jones combo that preceded him. What's significantly inferior is this year's Eastern Conference, after losing Dwight, Rose, Iguodala, Rondo, and Granger among others while adding virtually nothing in their place. The massive conference imbalance means that the Heat are better relative to their competition in the East, but is the team actually better this year?
   795. rr Posted: March 28, 2013 at 01:43 PM (#4398549)
but is the team actually better this year?


I think they are something like 28-3 since they brought in Chris Andersen, and he is probably the best big guy they have had during The Decision Era, excluding, obviously, Bosh. So, yes, I think they are a little better than they were last year, and I expect that will be plenty good enough, regardless of what Derrick Rose does. I thought Spoelstra should have used the Birdman a little more last night. You are correct that the streak is in part a result of how bad the East is, but OTOH, you left out that Brooklyn and New York have improved, and that Indiana, whom Miami just beat again, is actually better, it seems, than they were last year, particularly on D.

I can see why Chicago fans are pumped up, but Miami had already had a few close calls the last three weeks, so given the effort that Thibodeau gets from that group, this game was not all that surprising.
   796. Famous Original Joe C Posted: March 28, 2013 at 02:31 PM (#4398599)
I never said they would beat them in the playoffs, but I could imagine a scenario where it has a small chance of happening.


A healthy Bulls team is certainly the team in the East with the best chance of knocking off the Heat, I think that much is certain. Thibs' defensive scheming goes a long way, the Bulls crash the boards really well (though they aren't the same there or on the defnsive end without Asik). It might take an injury, and I think the 2013 Heat are better than the 2012 Heat, but with just a few games of no Bosh, a Celtics team that was very likely not as good as a healthy 2013 Bulls team would be played the Heat to a draw for 6 and 3/4 games....so I do get where the optimism, however muted, would come from.

The massive conference imbalance means that the Heat are better relative to their competition in the East, but is the team actually better this year?


It's hard to pinpoint with certainty, of course. I can't argue with the point that the top end of the East dropping away via age/injury/attrition does make them stand out that much more - but I'll also note that their stregth of schedule is virtually identical in 2011 and this season. That said, since 2011, I think Lebron is better, Chalmers has improved his efficiency pretty significantly, Ray Allen may be a sieve defensively but all James Jones was asked to do on offense was make jumpers and Ray Allen is still elite at that skill, they aren't playing any corpses like Erick Dampier. They did not have Shane Battier in 2011 either, who even as his post-peak self brings a lot to the table. They have a cohesive personality on offense they didn't have back in 2011, when the offense was basically "Whose turn is it to ISO?" Chris Andersen seems to have made a difference, as rr points out, giving them another guy who can defend and rebound. Their defensive efficiency is down relative to those other seasons, but I am not convinced it won't improve as the playoffs hit and their intensity ratchets up. So, anyway, yeah, I think they're better. Can't prove it, but I think they are.
   797. steagles Posted: March 28, 2013 at 03:28 PM (#4398632)
A healthy Bulls team is certainly the team in the East with the best chance of knocking off the Heat, I think that much is certain.
i disagree. i don't doubt that a healthy bulls team is most likely to challenge the heat and make them work to move on to the next round, but i don't think they have enough ammunition to actually win a 7 game series.

if you're gonna beat the heat, i think you have to do 3 things. you have to hold onto the ball, because if you let the heat get easy baskets in transition, things go downhill very quickly. you have to control the glass, because if you give them second and third chances, things go downhill very quickly. and you have to get blisteringly hot from beyond the arc, because if you can't put a ton of points on the board, you don't have a chance in hell.

now, if i'm thinking of eastern conference teams that can do those three things, one pops out at me almost immediately. and in fact, that team also appears to have two players on their roster who were in the starting lineup of the only team to beat the heat in a 7 game series since the decision.


i don't think it's likely that the knicks beat the heat, but if we're talking about actually beating them, and not just playing them tough for a while, i'd put my money on the knicks before the bulls.
   798. jmurph Posted: March 28, 2013 at 03:41 PM (#4398641)
i don't think it's likely that the knicks beat the heat, but if we're talking about actually beating them, and not just playing them tough for a while, i'd put my money on the knicks before the bulls.


I wouldn't put money on the Knicks taking even one quarter from the Heat in a playoff series. And that's only a slight exaggeration. I think that would be an easy and automatic sweep.

But I do, like steagles, disagree that the (theoretically healthy) Bulls are the most likely team to challenge the Heat. I think a healthy Pacers team is much better equipped, because they have scoring big men. 4-1 Heat over the Bulls seemed right 2 years ago, and I don't know why that would be different this year (or next).

And I agree with everyone that we're talking degrees, here, as none of these eastern teams are actually likely to do it.
   799. andrewberg Posted: March 28, 2013 at 04:38 PM (#4398670)
Wojo is only known to be the big-man coach, as strange as that sounds


I guess that explains Plumlee's energy level.

Coach K is unlikely to retire for at least a few years though, or at least until Boeheim has retired (he wouldn't want to see his wins record broken two years later).


Meh, a bunch of Boeheim's wins will be vacated by then anyway.

   800. jmurph Posted: March 28, 2013 at 04:43 PM (#4398672)
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