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Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: May 01, 2013 at 01:53 PM | 1929 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. andrewberg Posted: May 02, 2013 at 04:35 PM (#4432179)
Even if we give them a healthy Bogut and play this season out 100 times, I doubt they win more than 1 title at most.


Yeah, but Bogut is going to get pretty old by the time they finish 100 more seasons. I'd take the other teams with new players.
   102. jmurph Posted: May 02, 2013 at 04:55 PM (#4432204)
Yeah, but Bogut is going to get pretty old by the time they finish 100 more seasons. I'd take the other teams with new players.


But he'll be well-rested, having played only 47 games combined.
   103. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: May 02, 2013 at 05:01 PM (#4432212)
Where the hell are the award results?!


Joe, I'm sorry I ninja-ed the thread intro from you!
   104. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 02, 2013 at 05:15 PM (#4432219)
Hinrich (and Rose) officially out for the Bulls tonight. Deng and Gibson both missed practice yesterday because they were sick, and are supposedly still sick today:

Nick Friedell ?@NickFriedell
Jimmy Butler on how sick veterans Luol Deng and Taj Gibson look "They look the same way they do every day. Lu is dark skinned, Taj is bald"
   105. smileyy Posted: May 02, 2013 at 05:30 PM (#4432234)
Jimmy Butler is making me like him more and more.
   106. Booey Posted: May 02, 2013 at 06:00 PM (#4432251)
Hinrich (and Rose) officially out for the Bulls tonight.

Have they officially said yet that Rose is out for the playoffs no matter how far the Bulls get? Or are they still pretending there's a chance he plays soon? What would be the purpose of the latter?
   107. Jimmy P Posted: May 02, 2013 at 06:05 PM (#4432261)
Gallinari is injured, which hurts, and Bogut is back, which helps, but there is a lot of randomness here.

And Lee is injured.
   108. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 02, 2013 at 06:14 PM (#4432268)
Have they officially said yet that Rose is out for the playoffs no matter how far the Bulls get? Or are they still pretending there's a chance he plays soon? What would be the purpose of the latter?

No, in fact there's rumors* he'd come back for round 2 against the Heat. Yes, but they still act annoyed when asked if Rose is playing in the next game since the answer has always been 'no' so far. Couple reasons, I guess - 1. he needs to play in an actual game to finish his rehab and 2. the fact that they're competitive and want to win (regardless of the chances they might realistically have**). Having said that, perhaps the org has decided he won't come back and that there's no benefit to announcing it (or the negative of not announcing it isn't significant enough to make them). Also, Thibs is crazy and probably would flip out if they said they had to rest Rose even if there was a chance of him helping them beat the Heat (if they get that far).

*There's been rumors for a long time about when he'll play next. This particular one is because his brother made a bunch of positive comments on how close he was after the 3OT win the other day; he said Rose was getting closer and still could play these playoffs.
**During the last game, Steve Kerr made some comments that Rose should come back now - if he's cleared - because of the Hinrich injury and that he owed it to his teammates since they're all playing hurt. So that turned into a big thing yesterday with the writers asking all the Bulls players if they were annoyed his wasn't playing. Everyone said Rose earned the benefit of the doubt and no one would publicly question him. I would be surprised though if they weren't questioning him privately though, since he has been practicing with them for over 2 months now.
   109. smileyy Posted: May 02, 2013 at 07:53 PM (#4432371)
It'd be really sad if this Bulls team fell apart because Rose lost enough of the rest of the team.
   110. puck Posted: May 02, 2013 at 08:26 PM (#4432414)
Yeah, I meant 2012-13. And we have a winner, the Bullets beat Denver twice.

I just noticed I called them the Bullets. I guess it's been a while since I followed the NBA!
   111. RollingWave Posted: May 02, 2013 at 09:09 PM (#4432462)
Regarding Anthony, one of his fatal flaws seems to be that when the going gets tough, he: a) tries to take over the game; b) does it by shooting long jumpers. Every superstar should do a), but most have multiple ways of doing it - going to the rim, playing better D, driving and dishing (in addition to filling it up). Remember the criticism of LeBron a few years ago, he passed too much in the 4th? (See also Durant last night.) Can you imagine that criticism levied against Anthony?

He can get hot from the outside, but his outside shooting percentage keeps dropping by game and his strategy remains the same.


I think the general problem here is that if Melo's shots were falling the Knicks usually wouldn't be losing anyway. So his counter to a tough situation is to go to things that is causing them to lose more.

When Harden's shots aren't falling he usually just keep flying into a bunch of guys with the sole intention of drawing fouls, I personally hate that approach from a fan perspective as it's basically just gaming the rule books, but it does work to a good extend.

Looking at yesterday's Houston game, it seems Harden was essentially playing PG, I guess if they're going to do that then Beverly would be the more ideal partner since he's better at most of the other off the ball stuff, but is it really ideal in the longer run? his turnover to assist ratio is pretty bad.



   112. tshipman Posted: May 02, 2013 at 09:37 PM (#4432495)
I smelled the BS in this statement but now I can prove it, even though I've only scratched the surface of the data.

Denver played 18 games where the opponent was coming off a back to back. They won 14 of those. That means they were 43-21 when the opponent had at least 1 day of rest - that's a 55 win pace.

I don't know if 18 games is more or less than most teams get. Doesn't really matter though, the idea that a team can look 8 wins better than they really are because of playing in favorable B2B is impossible.


I think you're not understanding the core concept here. Denver and Utah have a unique home court advantage. The NBA schedules games so that when teams play the second game of a B2B in Denver, they play the first game on PST, then arrive in Denver at approximately 3am. In addition, Denver is at altitude.

This means that the two Mountain time teams have a few "schedule wins" every year.

Denver's average Margin of Victory this year was 5.085. They played 10 games at home where they faced a team on the second end of a back to back. In those 10 games, they went 9-1, with a margin of victory of 12.2. In all other home games, their MOV was 10.2. Their margin of victory without those games was 4.09--or roughly the same as Indiana, who won 49 games.
   113. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 02, 2013 at 09:53 PM (#4432515)
go get'em golden state

stick it to the Denver slobs
   114. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 02, 2013 at 09:58 PM (#4432521)
This game is fascinating. This effort by the Bulls is just unreal. Even if the Nets win, they are the exact opposite of the Bulls on the inspiring spectrum (not that it matters compared to the talent gap).

   115. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 02, 2013 at 10:05 PM (#4432525)
Silver lining: maybe all the Nets players catch the flu and they're sick for game 7.
   116. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: May 02, 2013 at 10:14 PM (#4432531)
So...David Lee has apparently been cleared to play tonight. I'm not a Dr., but that seems like quite the speedy recovery.
   117. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 02, 2013 at 10:18 PM (#4432532)
since everyone thinks it's back to being ok I don't understand why Brooklyn doesn't hammer robinson to the ground a few times.

I personally think that would be terrible for the game but since everyone was yammering that mark Jackson was being a sissy then it's fair game on guys who make the game exciting
   118. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 02, 2013 at 10:19 PM (#4432533)
Everyone?

I'm surprised Nate doesn't take more hits just in general due to his...exuberance.
   119. AROM Posted: May 02, 2013 at 10:22 PM (#4432534)
"Denver's average Margin of Victory this year was 5.085. They played 10 games at home where they faced a team on the second end of a back to back. In those 10 games, they went 9-1, with a margin of victory of 12.2. In all other home games, their MOV was 10.2. Their margin of victory without those games was 4.09--or roughly the same as Indiana, who won 49 games."

I'll bet if you remove 10 games where Indiana was at home and playing an opponent on g2 of BTB, the Pacer margin of victory was less than 4.09. By the stats you mentioned, Denver won 48 of 72 games without including the most favorable matchups. They are a lot better than a 49 win team.
   120. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 02, 2013 at 10:35 PM (#4432545)
how come the Chicago coach isn't wawrned when he's clearly on the court?
   121. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 02, 2013 at 10:46 PM (#4432561)
good for the nets player on the free throws

always hate to see a guy get crucified on missed free throws
   122. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 02, 2013 at 10:59 PM (#4432577)
No way that game should have been that close. Bulls just don't have enough offense with these guys out.

Harvey, at least he wasn't impacting the play but yeah. Google vinny del negro and yelling at shooters to see something ridiculous.
   123. Maxwn Posted: May 02, 2013 at 11:13 PM (#4432594)
Google vinny del negro and yelling at shooters to see something ridiculous.

Vinny's the best coach in the league at closing out on shooters.
   124. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: May 02, 2013 at 11:46 PM (#4432628)
since everyone thinks it's back to being ok I don't understand why Brooklyn doesn't hammer robinson to the ground a few times.

Here you go, Harveys: Gerald Wallace hammers Robinson to the ground.
   125. tshipman Posted: May 02, 2013 at 11:58 PM (#4432632)
I'll bet if you remove 10 games where Indiana was at home and playing an opponent on g2 of BTB, the Pacer margin of victory was less than 4.09. By the stats you mentioned, Denver won 48 of 72 games without including the most favorable matchups. They are a lot better than a 49 win team.


Indiana played at home against an opponent on game 2 of a back to back 14 times. They went 9-4. Their MOV in those games was 5.6667.

If you remove those games completely from Indiana's record, they would have had a MOV of 3.59--a difference of less than half a point. Denver gets a huge boost from their home court and their unique scheduling advantage.
   126. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:02 AM (#4432634)
Denver's average Margin of Victory this year was 5.085. They played 10 games at home where they faced a team on the second end of a back to back. In those 10 games, they went 9-1, with a margin of victory of 12.2. In all other home games, their MOV was 10.2. Their margin of victory without those games was 4.09--or roughly the same as Indiana, who won 49 games.

I'd be curious to see the context here. Which 10 teams was Denver playing on the second half of back-to-backs? How did other teams do in this situation - was 2 points an unusual increase in MOV?

Edit: You just answered the second question, at least partially.
   127. tshipman Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:15 AM (#4432637)
I'd be curious to see the context here. Which 10 teams was Denver playing on the second half of back-to-backs? How did other teams do in this situation - was 2 points an unusual increase in MOV?

Here's the list.

San@Den 12/18/2013
Lal@Den 12/26/2013
Min@Den 1/3/2013
Uta@Den 1/5/2013
Sac@Den 1/26/2013
Lal@Den 2/25/2013
Atl@Den 3/4/2013
Lac@Den 3/7/2013
Phi@Den 3/21/2013
Hou@Den 4/6/2013
   128. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:15 AM (#4432639)
Much as I hate Bob Fitzgerald, "the Human Torch" is a good nickname for Curry.
   129. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:19 AM (#4432641)
Bogut is all over the court this quarter.
   130. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:23 AM (#4432643)
If you remove those games completely from Indiana's record, they would have had a MOV of 3.59--a difference of less than half a point. Denver gets a huge boost from their home court and their unique scheduling advantage.


Indiana gets a huge boost from their unique scheduling advantage of being in the Eastern conference.
   131. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:26 AM (#4432645)
I haven't watched a ton of this series. Why hasn't Iggy been playing Curry the whole series?
   132. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:28 AM (#4432646)
I hate Mark Jackson. This is a likable GSW team, but Mark Jackson really annoys me.
   133. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:31 AM (#4432648)
Corey Brewer is so much worse than Gallinari.
   134. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:32 AM (#4432652)
Corey Brewer and Wilson Chandler picking up the Gallo slack didn't work out it seems.
   135. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:32 AM (#4432653)
Brewer should not be allowed on the court for the rest of the game. Period.
   136. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:42 AM (#4432658)
Hammer sighting!
   137. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:43 AM (#4432660)
I hate the playoffs.
   138. AROM Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:51 AM (#4432665)
Denver 9-1 at home, playing opponent on B2B. That means they were 29-2 at home, playing opponent on rest. Not that it matters now, as their season draws to a close.
   139. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:56 AM (#4432668)
My girlfriend sassed me 2 minutes ago when I told her I was staying up for the end of the game. Don't call it a comeback!
   140. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:01 AM (#4432674)
That's a very poor call.
   141. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:01 AM (#4432675)
The block foul on McGee. How the hell do you miss that?
   142. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:02 AM (#4432676)
The block foul on McGee. How the hell do you miss that?


As far as I can tell, there's little to no accountability in professional refereeing. That's how.
   143. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:04 AM (#4432677)
Why aren't we seeing hack-a-Bogut?
   144. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:04 AM (#4432678)
RT ?@PhilJackson11 The ole charge/block dilemma …sorry George
   145. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:10 AM (#4432681)
Denver isn't even playing that well down the stretch. But the Warriors are playing just awful over the last 8 minutes.
   146. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:10 AM (#4432682)
I have no idea what is and is not a foul anymore.
   147. puck Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:10 AM (#4432683)
Damn, Lawson should have just gone up strong.
   148. puck Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:11 AM (#4432685)
Might as well foul Denver.
   149. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:14 AM (#4432686)
Apparently Mark Jackson's late game strategy of "They're playing our song" isn't working so well.
   150. puck Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:16 AM (#4432687)
That seemed like an awfully panicky shot given the time left.
   151. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:19 AM (#4432688)
This is truly a game neither team deserved to win.

The Spurs will beat the Warriors in 5.
   152. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:19 AM (#4432689)
Hard to celebrate that too enthusiastically. I want to erase those last 8 minutes from my mind forever.
   153. puck Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:20 AM (#4432690)
Iguodala hugging Jackson--he's the mole!
   154. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:21 AM (#4432691)
Nice to have Bogut back - hope it lasts
   155. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:25 AM (#4432694)
I hope with all my heart the Spurs wipe the Warriors out in 4.
   156. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:31 AM (#4432696)
Corey Brewer out of bounds. Apparently.
   157. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:32 AM (#4432697)
Re: #156

NJ, I think that the ball bounced on the line and was hit out by Chandler.
   158. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:33 AM (#4432698)
And the ball out of bounds. Maybe?
   159. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:36 AM (#4432700)
Also, Reggie Miller going to the Golden State locker room and giving a televised victory speech to Mark Jackson and his merry band strikes me as at least mildly unprofessional. Of course, between my '90s scars and this series, I'm a little sensitive right now.
   160. Spivey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:37 AM (#4432701)
Swearing on TV is also mildly unprofessional. Reggie Miller forcing me to listen to him is mildly unprofessional.

   161. Booey Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:43 AM (#4432703)
So...David Lee has apparently been cleared to play tonight. I'm not a Dr., but that seems like quite the speedy recovery.


Deer antler velvet.

Bogut is all over the court this quarter.


Go Utes! Too bad Andre Miller didn't play better.

Congrats to the Warriors. I guess. I didn't really have a dog in this fight, but Curry is fun to watch and his dad played a season with the Jazz, so there's that.
   162. Maxwn Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:54 AM (#4432704)
Also, Reggie Miller going to the Golden State locker room and giving a televised victory speech to Mark Jackson and his merry band strikes me as at least mildly unprofessional.

I thought the same thing.
   163. GregD Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:58 AM (#4432705)
Hiring Reggie Miller as a broadcaster is more than mildly unprofessional
   164. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:06 AM (#4432706)
The last time the Warriors won a game in San Antonio, Festus Ezeli was 8, Draymond Green was 7, and Harrison Barnes was 5.
   165. Maxwn Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:17 AM (#4432708)
The last time the Warriors won a game in San Antonio,

I saw John Schuhmann tweeting about that and almost posted it myself. Their last win there predates the Tim Duncan era.
   166. RollingWave Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:24 AM (#4432709)
so we have our first upset of the playoffs, there's that, this first round have been with a decent amount of drama to be sure.

   167. clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:36 AM (#4432710)
Iguodala hugging Jackson--he's the mole!
i would actually not be very surprised by that. he takes a lot of pride in his defense and i could see him disapproving of his teammates gooning it up on steph curry because they couldn't stop him legitimately.
   168. AROM Posted: May 03, 2013 at 07:37 AM (#4432733)
Of the 1000 worst things you can do to blow an 18 point lead in the 4th quarter, Warriors did 999 of them. Only thing the did right: they hit all their free throws. Actually pretty impressive considering how nervous they appeared in every other aspect of the game.
   169. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 03, 2013 at 07:53 AM (#4432736)
I love Mark Jackson trying to recreate the Willis Reed moment. He's kind of a nutcase but I like the retro shout out all the same.

I'm 99% sure the Spurs will swat the Warriors away, but I'm not 100% sure because the Warriors have the one thing they haven't had in the 30 years I've followed the team--a functional center.
   170. jmurph Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:15 AM (#4432760)
No way that game should have been that close. Bulls just don't have enough offense with these guys out.


As someone who generally roots against the Bulls, it's sort of annoying that they haven't yet realized how bad they are. They deserve a ton of credit for being where they are considering the (healthy) personnel they've got to work with.
   171. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:41 AM (#4432766)
glad for Andrew bogut. good kid.
   172. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:50 AM (#4432773)
Also, Reggie Miller going to the Golden State locker room and giving a televised victory speech to Mark Jackson and his merry band strikes me as at least mildly unprofessional.

I missed this. Wow. What's the connection there - it is just him and Jackson being former teammates? Not that I need another reason to dislike Reggie.

The Spurs will beat the Warriors in 5.

Perhaps. It should be a fun series, and like just about every other one so far health might just be the deciding factor. I think, on paper, the matchup works out nicely for both teams; there are some definite advantages each has over the other (and the idea of watching a Parker/Curry shootout where neither can slow the other down is exciting). The Spurs should win, but I just don't trust them and I'm not sure that Lakers series really told us anything.

I hope with all my heart the Spurs wipe the Warriors out in 4.

Do you think of Jackson more as a former Pacer or a former Knick?
   173. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:57 AM (#4432781)
Do you think of Jackson more as a former Pacer or a former Knick?

I think of him as one of the few fat guys to ever be a regular on an nba team
   174. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 03, 2013 at 10:05 AM (#4432789)
I hated Mark Jackson because he did that isolate on the other point guard and then slowly push him towards the basket with his big ass that was so, so boring to watch. Ugh.

I missed this. Wow. What's the connection there - it is just him and Jackson being former teammates? Not that I need another reason to dislike Reggie.

They're friends, I guess. I can't imagine the players cared much about his speech. 2 funny moments from Miller's appearance:

1. He said "shit" during his talk and bible thumper Jackson made him correct it to "stuff".
2. As he was leaving one of the Warriors players taunted him that Curry has the 3-point record in a season. Ha!
   175. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: May 03, 2013 at 10:18 AM (#4432818)
i think of jackson as a knick. that rookie season he put up was an interesting one...
   176. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: May 03, 2013 at 11:27 AM (#4432891)
My first real memory of basketball is the morning after the Charles Smith game. So, to me, Jackson is clearly a Pacer and who I hated because of his full court backdown.
   177. kpelton Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:08 PM (#4432928)
Once a Knick, always a Knick?
   178. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:15 PM (#4432937)
kpelton, well played.

Surprised no one's mentioned this Kahn interview. Wow.
   179. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:28 PM (#4432957)
I think of Jackson as a Knick too, but I more vividly remember him as a Pacer. Specifically, him struggling and unable to post up Pippen.
   180. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:32 PM (#4432961)
Surprised no one's mentioned this Kahn interview. Wow.

Damn. I'm going to read into that and assume it means Kahn was totally ready to trade Love were he still in charge.
   181. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:41 PM (#4432972)
the Warriors have the one thing they haven't had in the 30 years I've followed the team--a functional center.

Probably some sort of karmic payback for having both Wilt and Nate Thurmond for 2 years together in the 60s.
   182. AROM Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:52 PM (#4432982)
Probably some sort of karmic payback for having both Wilt and Nate Thurmond for 2 years together in the 60s.


There's something seriously F'd up about karma if it needs to pay them back for nearly 50 years just for having one team with twin towers go to the finals for one season, and lose in 5.

The following season they were 11-33 before Wilt was traded. If karma did that, it punished them enough.
   183. smileyy Posted: May 03, 2013 at 12:55 PM (#4432987)
Alton Lister wonders why you gotta hate.
   184. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:15 PM (#4433009)
As does Manute Bol (well he would if he hadn't died from an overdose of awesome).
   185. bob gee Posted: May 03, 2013 at 01:37 PM (#4433024)
the celtics have generally looked pretty old in the playoffs. ainge (answered some questions?) said they hadn't decided whether to buyout pierce next year, i'd suspect it depends how far the c's go in the playoffs.

melo's back to being "keep shooting" melo, which means boston has a shot to win.

mchale's been coaching well in the playoffs against okc, esp. with the defensive matchups. i still don't agree with his use of harden and the point guards (would rather have the point guards drive and dish to harden / a three point shooter instead of harden doing the driving), but it's been much better.

the kahn interview is so much different than practically any other interview i've read with a newly-departing general manager. thanks #178. henry abbott had a piece on him
here . apologies if posted elsewhere.




   186. andrewberg Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:03 PM (#4433053)
Re: Trading Love-


Q. Before you brought in David Lee for a free-agent visit in July 2011, I heard you were willing to trade Kevin for Anthony Randolph but Golden State turned you down.


A. Not true. I never have ever wanted to trade Kevin, ever. And there was no way as I sat in the chair that I would have recommended to the owner that we do so. That’s a fact.




Kahn deserves a lot of crap for his record, for drafting Flynn, for the Love contract, and some other things, but he clearly gets crap for things he didn't do or things people project onto him, which bothers me. Also, let's not pretend that Flip Saunders- whose defining front office moment was the Joe Smith fiasco- is a proven godsend to the team.
   187. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:10 PM (#4433065)
i'd been looking forward to reading that kahn interview all morning.
i like the abbott piece as well and agree with almost all of it (well, what i'm privy to).
   188. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:11 PM (#4433066)
If the T-Wolves offered Lover for Randolph, I can't imagine any scenario where the Warriors say no.
   189. AROM Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:24 PM (#4433081)
While the rest of the Knicks are falling apart, Raymond Felton is having a great series, especially his play in the two losses, he's almost single-handedly keeping them in the games. I had to look up his stats to remind myself how thoroughly mediocre the rest of his career has been. I guess he's just exploiting the biggest weakness of the Celtics - they have no real point guard.
   190. Jimmy P Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:30 PM (#4433090)
Also, let's not pretend that Flip Saunders- whose defining front office moment was the Joe Smith fiasco- is a proven godsend to the team.

Pretty sure that was McHale.

   191. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:34 PM (#4433097)
188 - i always thought that rumor was stupid and said so here, iirc.
   192. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:40 PM (#4433107)
188 - i always thought that rumor was stupid and said so here, iirc.

It really doesn't pass the sniff test speaking as a Warriors fan. Don Nelson had soured on him pretty quickly.
   193. smileyy Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:42 PM (#4433109)
[190] Yeah, it was McHale.
   194. smileyy Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:43 PM (#4433111)
[188] That has to be one of those stories that only has legs because of how bad it makes both parties look. Its too good to be true.
   195. andrewberg Posted: May 03, 2013 at 02:43 PM (#4433112)
Saunders was the President of the team when the Smith deal was negotiated and was forced to relinquish that role as part of the punishment. He worked with McHale in the front office from the time he was hired in 1995 until then and continued only as the coach after the punishment.
   196. Ron J2 Posted: May 03, 2013 at 03:00 PM (#4433127)
Jalen Rose, on PTI today, essentially said that if a ring is on the line then, yes, he's gonna hurt someone if he has to.


Many years ago I used to referee top level touch football. One of the best teams in the country carried a player who averaged slightly more than one play per tournament before being permanently banned.

(The only reason he got more than one play per tournament is that he couldn't always get a good shot in on his designated target on the first play)
   197. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 03, 2013 at 03:30 PM (#4433175)
Luol Deng ?@LuolDeng9 30m
It really upsets me that everyone thinks I would miss a game bc of the flu. I've played a lot of games w the flu in my career.

On Wed I was taken to the ER and my symptoms indicated I may have meningitis In order to play on Thurs I was required to undergo a spinal tap

As a result of the spinal tap I suffered the worst headache I've ever experienced and been the weakest I've ever felt.

Yesterday I was unable to walk or even get out of bed. I made it to the UC and was sent home. This morning my symptoms worsened.

Now I'm back in the ER where I may have to spend the night... I want my teammates and Bulls fans to know I would NEVER miss a game bc of flu

If I'm medically cleared I will fly to NY to be with my team and try to win game 7


The Bulls plane leaves in the next hour or so, so he's not flying with them today. What a damn shame. He was criticized for being soft several years go when he didn't play through what was later diagnosed as a stress fracture in his leg. He's been very durable after a stretch of very fluky injuries. There are still a lot of people in Chicago that don't like Deng (whether or not he's overpaid is always part of that, but not the only reason usually).
   198. madvillain Posted: May 03, 2013 at 03:54 PM (#4433206)
There are still a lot of people in Chicago that don't like Deng (whether or not he's overpaid is always part of that, but not the only reason usually).


Those people are idiots. Deng has played through so many injuries and gets no credit for it, instead he's somehow acquired a rep for being soft. GFTO. The

Derrick Rose defense force is out in full force over at RealGM.

Everyone in this thread knows what a huge Rose homer I am, so when I can't defend the guy, there's nothing to defend. He needed to be playing 2 months ago, simple as that. There is no way he can go from 90% to 100% without playing in actual ####### games. All he's done now is delay the process. So when he gets off to a shitty start next season he's really going to be hammered. For Bulls' fans sake and Derrick's sake he sure as hell better come back as the 25/7/4 25 PER player he was before the injury or he's going to a lightning rod for criticism.

I'm starting to think this is a decision that will haunt him for the rest of his career, fairly imo. He's created this. He did the ADIDAS commercials, he said it "was up to God". He refused to shout down his brother. He refused to take the same path as recovery as every single other player that has had an ACL tear. Somethow I don't think that's a good idea.
   199. smileyy Posted: May 03, 2013 at 03:55 PM (#4433208)
Whoever doesn't like Luol Deng needs their head examined.
   200. smileyy Posted: May 03, 2013 at 03:57 PM (#4433214)
Reports are that LeBron wins his 4th MVP award. 3 more for him isn't inconceivable.
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