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Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: May 01, 2013 at 01:53 PM | 1929 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1901. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: June 06, 2013 at 11:47 PM (#4463161)
That was a great game between two great teams.
   1902. Maxwn Posted: June 06, 2013 at 11:48 PM (#4463162)
LeBron's going to struggle offensively if he's going to be the only guy on the Heat fighting for rebounds.

He led the team by 13. That is ridiculous.
   1903. Srul Itza Posted: June 06, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4463166)
I've been watching more replays of that last Tony Parker sequence, and I still don't believe it.

Somebody needs to set a replay to the tune of Sweet Georgia Brown.
   1904. Spivey Posted: June 07, 2013 at 12:09 AM (#4463172)
LeBron getting some #### for putting up an 18/18/10 is just ridiculous. If Rajon Rondo did that, what the #### would Bill Simmons be saying?
   1905. Spivey Posted: June 07, 2013 at 12:21 AM (#4463178)
The Spurs are really good. And I get that. But I worry that the over-reactors in the media are acting a little like they did when OKC won the first game against Miami last year.
   1906. PJ Martinez Posted: June 07, 2013 at 12:30 AM (#4463181)
LeBron getting some #### for putting up an 18/18/10 is just ridiculous. If Rajon Rondo did that, what the #### would Bill Simmons be saying?

Well, to be fair, no one thinks Rajon Rondo is as good as LeBron James. The best player in the world has to meet greater expectations.

That said, I agree he played extremely well. I do think he might have looked for his shot a bit more in the fourth -- I wasn't crazy about that pass from the paint to Bosh behind the arc -- but mostly you have to credit San Antonio for playing excellent team (and individual) defense against him.
   1907. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 07, 2013 at 12:46 AM (#4463188)
I have been telling everyone that if you give pop time and rest for the roster they will be one tough team to beat and could very well win it all.
   1908. jmurph Posted: June 07, 2013 at 08:11 AM (#4463235)
He led the team by 13. That is ridiculous.


I know it's basically a cliche to pick on Bosh, and I've done it enough myself, but at this point the Heat would be better off with a mediocrity like Brandon Bass. At least he can get a damn rebound and he knows he's not a 3 point shooter.
   1909. jmurph Posted: June 07, 2013 at 08:17 AM (#4463238)

Well, to be fair, no one thinks Rajon Rondo is as good as LeBron James. The best player in the world has to meet greater expectations.


I thought Simmons was a bit over the top, but I think he's also just being realistic about what needs to happen. The Heat aren't winning against a very good, very well-coached team like the Spurs unless Lebron is doing otherworldly things. He's not going to get much help.
   1910. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: June 07, 2013 at 08:32 AM (#4463246)
The Heat aren't winning against a very good, very well-coached team like the Spurs unless Lebron is doing otherworldly things.

Obviously, MIA didn't win, but still.
   1911. jmurph Posted: June 07, 2013 at 08:38 AM (#4463248)
Obviously, MIA didn't win, but still.


Ha, fair point. 18-18-10 is pretty otherworldly. How about additional otherworldly things?

Because I like to make sweeping generalizations, I'm torn between:

A. The Spurs might take this in 5.
B. If the Heat just shoot slightly better from 3 and maybe get one dominant offensive stretch from Lebron each game, they'll be fine.
   1912. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: June 07, 2013 at 08:38 AM (#4463249)
Obviously, MIA didn't win, but still.


Don't tempt 'Bron, he might try to go for that 8 blocked shots in Game 2.
   1913. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: June 07, 2013 at 08:59 AM (#4463262)
Didn't catch the post game. Did Spoelstra get questioned about that stretch in the 4th where he had both LeBron and Wade on the bench? Don't remember if MIA was outscored then, but it was weird.
   1914. AROM Posted: June 07, 2013 at 09:30 AM (#4463276)
If Miami loses game 2, they are in deep dog crap, having to take 2 of 3 on the road just to survive. It won't happen. In game 2, Lebron will unleash hell.

On that late Bosh 3 point attempt: I can't blame Lebron for passing there, Bosh was so ridiculously wide open that it was the best play. But I can blame Bosh for being there, instead of his more comfortable 15-18 feet. He's a 50% shooter from long 2, a 30% shooter from 3. A rare case, like Kevin Garnett, where the long 2 makes more sense.
   1915. AROM Posted: June 07, 2013 at 09:38 AM (#4463286)
The stat that jumps out to me is team turnovers: 4 for San Antonio the whole game, which I think the announcers said tied a record. This team was 17th in avoiding TO for the regular season. Miami of course is a team that thrives on turnovers. Without them they don't get to show off their Amazing in transition.

San Antonio just did an incredible job protecting the basketball. I don't think they can do that twice in a row.
   1916. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: June 07, 2013 at 09:42 AM (#4463291)
The stat that jumps out to me is team turnovers: 4 for San Antonio the whole game, which I think the announcers said tied a record. This team was 17th in avoiding TO for the regular season. Miami of course is a team that thrives on turnovers. Without them they don't get to show off their Amazing in transition.

John Schuhman (sp?) tweeted that this was the lowest TO total forced by MIA in the LeBron era.
   1917. jmurph Posted: June 07, 2013 at 09:44 AM (#4463292)
San Antonio just did an incredible job protecting the basketball. I don't think they can do that twice in a row


On the other hand Miami controlled the glass, which is atypical for them.
   1918. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 07, 2013 at 10:07 AM (#4463309)
If Miami loses game 2, they are in deep dog crap, having to take 2 of 3 on the road just to survive.


Isn't home court advantage less of a factor in the NBA than any other sport other than maybe baseball? I don't think it would surprise anyone if Miami won two games in SA.

Is Tony Parker having a HOF career?

Is Manu a HOFer when you factor in his international play?
   1919. AROM Posted: June 07, 2013 at 10:19 AM (#4463318)
On the other hand Miami controlled the glass, which is atypical for them.


Against Indiana, it was atypical. But they are evenly matched with San Antonio, both like to play small and are below average rebounding teams.

Yes to both Parker/Manu for HOF. The standards are not as high as baseball, where a Bert Blyleven waits 14 years and Trammell/Whitaker are still waiting. Manu doesn't even need international credit, though no problem giving it to him as the HOF includes all basketball, not just the NBA.

These guys played together for a long time as leaders on multiple championship teams. That should be enough. Look at the Celtics from the 60's, I think they had one roster where anyone who played 500 minutes that year ended up in the HOF. By that standard, Steve Kerr and Luc Longley will one day get in.
   1920. AROM Posted: June 07, 2013 at 10:25 AM (#4463324)
Best players not in the HOF, and long enough to have been eligible for awhile, by my unscientific and quick search:

Horace Grant
Larry Nance
Jeff Hornacek
Bill Laimbeer
Maurice Cheeks
Kevin Johnson
Sidney Moncrief
Tim Hardaway
Tom Chambers
Bobby Jones
Mark Price
   1921. jmurph Posted: June 07, 2013 at 10:28 AM (#4463326)
Against Indiana, it was atypical. But they are evenly matched with San Antonio, both like to play small and are below average rebounding teams.


The Spurs were 3rd in def. rebounding %, the Heat were 24th. Both were bad in ORB%: Heat 27th, Spurs 29th. I'm apparently an idiot and can't find a straight total rebound % by team ranking.
   1922. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: June 07, 2013 at 10:39 AM (#4463334)
Is Tony Parker having a HOF career?
Unquestionably. The numbers say "maybe," but the rings make him a shoo-in.
Is Manu a HOFer when you factor in his international play
Yes.
   1923. GregD Posted: June 07, 2013 at 10:44 AM (#4463338)
Horace Grant
Larry Nance
Jeff Hornacek
Bill Laimbeer
Maurice Cheeks
Kevin Johnson
Sidney Moncrief
Tim Hardaway
Tom Chambers
Bobby Jones
Mark Price
I would be a basketball HOF slut as I would vote for basically all those guys.
   1924. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 07, 2013 at 10:50 AM (#4463341)
for five years Sidney moncrief was an amazing all around player. classic peak case. don't know how the nba voters view such things.
   1925. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: June 07, 2013 at 11:31 AM (#4463382)
There's a section in this Grantland NHL column that's about Sidney Crosby where you could almost just substitute LeBron James and it fits perfectly.
   1926. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 07, 2013 at 11:32 AM (#4463383)
But I worry that the over-reactors in the media are acting a little like they did when OKC won the first game against Miami last year.

Yes, 100%. The sports media treats each game as if it tells you everything about the rest of the series. It was especially grating in the Pacers series, where the teams alternated wins but every commentator concluded that whoever won the previous game was the clear favorite who had figured something out. On ESPN's post-game show last night, each guy said that the Spurs demonstrated their superiority and had the clear advantage going forward, just like after game 1 last year. All it takes is one game to turn that narrative on its head.

[LeBron] led the team [in rebounds] by 13. That is ridiculous.

LeBron played a good game last night with 10 assists to 2 turnovers, but the hype regarding his rebounding is way over the top. Miami's system calls for LeBron to get the discretionary rebounds (they like to get the ball in his hands as soon as possible), and against San Antonio there should be a lot of them. The Spurs, like the Celtics, are notorious for foregoing offensive rebounding in favor of getting back on defense. Joel Anthony's 3 rebounds in 3 minutes, with 2 on the offensive end, were more impressive than LeBron tallying 18 rebounds, also with 2 on the offensive end, in 42 minutes. Unless one of the teams changes its scheme, LeBron should have double-digit defensive rebounds in each game without doing anything noteworthy.
   1927. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 07, 2013 at 11:37 AM (#4463392)
New thread, guys.
   1928. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: June 07, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4463398)
Didn't catch the post game. Did Spoelstra get questioned about that stretch in the 4th where he had both LeBron and Wade on the bench? Don't remember if MIA was outscored then, but it was weird.

Surprisingly, they weren't.

The stat that jumps out to me is team turnovers: 4 for San Antonio the whole game, which I think the announcers said tied a record. This team was 17th in avoiding TO for the regular season. Miami of course is a team that thrives on turnovers. Without them they don't get to show off their Amazing in transition.

Yes. And Wade only had 1 TO, which also surprised me.

Isn't home court advantage less of a factor in the NBA than any other sport other than maybe baseball? I don't think it would surprise anyone if Miami won two games in SA.

The home team has won an overwhleming majority of game 7s, at least. In most bases though, the better team in the NBA is usually the home team, and the better team seems to win a lot more in the NBA than other sports. So perhaps you can separate it out to claim that, but I don't know how.
   1929. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: June 07, 2013 at 11:43 AM (#4463400)
New thread, guys.

Thanks for the link.
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