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OT: NBA Monthly Thread - May 2013

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Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: May 01, 2013 at 01:53 PM | 1929 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. smileyy Posted: May 03, 2013 at 03:57 PM (#4433215)
and flip.
   202. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: May 03, 2013 at 04:37 PM (#4433267)
[200] BUT DID HE WIN HIS 1ST OT: NBA MONTHLY THREAD MVP?!
   203. AROM Posted: May 03, 2013 at 04:38 PM (#4433269)
James may not have been the single best player in the league for each of the last 9 years, but he's close. He has been the best by a pretty comfortable margin for each of the last 5.
   204. smileyy Posted: May 03, 2013 at 04:48 PM (#4433282)
[202] I'd rather leave my ballot blank than vote for a guy who can only manage a 27.7 PER and .295 WS/48 in a 4-game playoff sweep.
   205. puck Posted: May 03, 2013 at 06:03 PM (#4433360)
With all the trades Masai Ujiri has made to bring in wave after wave of players, it's a bit odd that the Nuggets don't have a decent 3-pt shooter.

What do the Nuggets do moving forward? Would it help any to change the coach, or would all coaches be limited in the playoffs by the Nuggets' weaknesses? They did shoot poorly, which would not seem to be his fault. Though I guess he could have played Brewer less, things like that.
   206. smileyy Posted: May 03, 2013 at 06:07 PM (#4433363)
I think firing Karl would made the Nuggets a less successful team.
   207. puck Posted: May 03, 2013 at 06:34 PM (#4433385)
Sorry if already posted: Kobe to Mom: Don't Sell my Stuff
   208. AROM Posted: May 03, 2013 at 06:47 PM (#4433397)
I don't think there's much they can do. The teams that have represented the west in the last decade had superstars. It's really hard to go that far without one. You've got to have a Kobe, Dirk, Durant, or Duncan. They'd have to get bad, return to the lottery, and get lucky, or convince someone to play in Denver.
   209. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 03, 2013 at 06:49 PM (#4433399)
With all the trades Masai Ujiri has made to bring in wave after wave of players, it's a bit odd that the Nuggets don't have a decent 3-pt shooter.

Gallinari's pretty good, right? 37% both this season and career. That obviously didn't matter in this series, though.
   210. JJ1986 Posted: May 03, 2013 at 08:17 PM (#4433495)
What's the fewest points a team has scored in a half in a playoff game in the shot clock era?
   211. Maxwn Posted: May 03, 2013 at 08:24 PM (#4433500)
What's the fewest points a team has scored in a half in a playoff game in the shot clock era?

What's funny about this is you could be talking about either Eastern Conference game.

First to 60 goes to the second round.
   212. GregD Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:01 PM (#4433538)
Knicks getting Knicky
   213. smileyy Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:07 PM (#4433547)
I hadn't realized that it was *Royce* White that had called out Kevin Durant.

Earlier this week, White tweeted: "Y'all are looking SHAAAKYY BAAABYY" and used Durant's Twitter handle.


I'm not sure I'd be a big enough man not to fire back in regrettable ways.
   214. Srul Itza Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:30 PM (#4433576)
That lead shrank in a hurry.

Celtics 17-0 run in the fourth quarter.

Edited - 19-0

Edited - 20-0
   215. bob gee Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:35 PM (#4433577)
knicks/celtics game is amazing. 17 points in 2 1/2 minutes.

213 - i wouldn't be. he's damaging the cause by his actions (artest/world peace, d. west are NOT). if i was disciplined, i'd write back #bewell, d-league player...

   216. Srul Itza Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:45 PM (#4433584)
Free Throws:

Knicks, 11-13
Celtics, 24-31
   217. RollingWave Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:49 PM (#4433590)
wow the Celtics just fell apart there, good night.
   218. Srul Itza Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:49 PM (#4433591)
Jeff Green fouls out, and the Boston comeback finally seems to be running out of steam.
   219. RollingWave Posted: May 03, 2013 at 10:00 PM (#4433604)
Why is Perkins doing pushups on the floor? this game is getting chippy fast
   220. RollingWave Posted: May 03, 2013 at 10:07 PM (#4433614)
wow Houston's coming out the gates roaring
   221. RollingWave Posted: May 03, 2013 at 10:11 PM (#4433619)
Omer Asik is doing his best Dwight Howard impression
   222. smileyy Posted: May 03, 2013 at 10:28 PM (#4433634)
The Heat's biggest risk has to be overconfidence, given the performance of various "contenders" so far.
   223. Randomly Fluctuating Defensive Metric Posted: May 03, 2013 at 11:55 PM (#4433701)
Things I like as a Knicks fan: Shumpert rounding into form at the perfect time. Chandler regaining his timing on defense.

Things I don't like: 'Melo's shoulder issue. Kidd looking like he's run out of gas. JR Smith pressing.

Should be a real good series against the Pacers.
   224. RollingWave Posted: May 04, 2013 at 12:17 AM (#4433712)
ugggh, look like this is the end of the Rocket's run.
   225. Srul Itza Posted: May 04, 2013 at 12:20 AM (#4433714)
Four game sixes today, and they are all close-outs. No game sevens this round, except Brooklyn-Chicago
   226. Maxwn Posted: May 04, 2013 at 12:36 AM (#4433718)
Joey Crawford is hysterical.
   227. Manny Coon Posted: May 04, 2013 at 12:51 AM (#4433721)
Vinny Del Negro sure is a great coach.
   228. Maxwn Posted: May 04, 2013 at 12:56 AM (#4433724)
Vinny Del Negro sure is a great coach.

He got worked by Lionel from about halftime in game 2 for sure. His rotations were a mess. You gotta tighten it up in the playoffs not go even wider.
   229. Maxwn Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:03 AM (#4433728)
Playing Billups, Grant Hill, and Willie Green 53 mins and Bledsoe and Crawford 21 mins seems like a firing offense to me.
   230. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:34 AM (#4433732)
Jerry Sloan working with Paul and Griffin would be pretty sweet.
   231. Maxwn Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:59 AM (#4433738)
Hey shout out to the NBA for making OKC and MEM, who both played tonight, play on Sunday at 1 ET, while GSW and SAS, who last played yesterday and like a week ago, don't play till Monday. Good times.
   232. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: May 04, 2013 at 02:12 AM (#4433742)
Playing Billups, Grant Hill, and Willie Green 53 mins and Bledsoe and Crawford 21 mins seems like a firing offense to me.
They don't have to fire Vinny; his contract is up. I don't think there's any question the Clips are going to go shopping for a new head coach. Given the amount of talent on this team, a first round exit after being up 2-0 is inexcusable, even if it is in this year's brutal Western Conference.
   233. rr Posted: May 04, 2013 at 02:56 AM (#4433748)
May 4 is the NBA Thread's 4th birthday. Next year, it will be ready to go to kindergarten.
   234. rr Posted: May 04, 2013 at 02:58 AM (#4433749)
I suspect that Stan Van Gundy will be the next Clippers' coach.
   235. Maxwn Posted: May 04, 2013 at 03:08 AM (#4433750)
I suspect that Stan Van Gundy will be the next Clippers' coach.

This seems like a good call to me.
   236. bob gee Posted: May 04, 2013 at 07:09 AM (#4433768)
would van gundy go to the clips with sterling in charge?
   237. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: May 04, 2013 at 10:57 AM (#4433882)
Hey shout out to the NBA for making OKC and MEM, who both played tonight, play on Sunday at 1 ET, while GSW and SAS, who last played yesterday and like a week ago, don't play till Monday. Good times.

On the one hand, I get this, but on the other, I don't think it would matter if the game was today because Memphis is going to win that series. In addition, OKC is facing the same difficulty as far as rest.
   238. rr Posted: May 04, 2013 at 10:57 AM (#4433883)
I think a lot of people, including me, may have been overrating the Sterling Factor. His presence does not appear to be negatively affecting the current Clippers much; the Clippers are Paul and Griffin right now. The fact that the Sterling has a history of doing sleazy and worse things in his business and personal life is not that big of a deal in terms of basketball as long as he pays the players and stays quiet.

The issue will be whether Sterling is willing to pay for a well-regarded coach; guys like SVG don't come cheap.

   239. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: May 04, 2013 at 11:40 AM (#4433901)
Don't forget Paul is a FA. I would still guess he resigns, but there's always a chance he goes elsewhere.

----

Deng is still in a hospital here in Chicago. He's out for game 7.
   240. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 04, 2013 at 11:45 AM (#4433905)
Celts-Knicks last night: fun game, interesting near-comeback by the Celtics, but: Did the Celtics have to stop playing with 40 seconds left? They couldn't wait until after the game to pull their stars off the court, take their bows, and dribble out the ball? Granted the chances of coming back from 8 or 9 down were low, but we did see the Reggie Miller game and it's not like they had anything more important to do than to try to save their season so... WTF?

Dribbling out the ball with 15 seconds to go? Why? What does that do for you?
   241. rr Posted: May 04, 2013 at 11:55 AM (#4433908)
I don't know where Paul's head is, obviously, but I would guess that he will probably re-sign, and I would also guess that he is not certain yet, and who the next Clippers' coach is will have a pretty big effect on what he does. That may be the test of the "Sterling Factor", if there is one--whether Sterling will pay for an expensive coach if that will help to keep Paul. I think that he will.

It seems the scenarios are:

a) Howard and Paul both stay in LA.
b) Howard signs with Houston and Paul stays in LA.
c) Cuban or Morey or maybe another FO pulls off a scenario such that both of them land in the same place. I think the starting point for that would obviously be Paul and Howard talking about it themselves and trying to set it up.

My opinion on Howard is that Houston and the Lakers are each at about 40-45%, and some kind of team-up scenario with Paul is about 10-20%.
   242. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: May 04, 2013 at 12:11 PM (#4433917)
@BillSimmons Also hearing there's a legit chance CP3 doesn't sign there now. It's wide-open. They'd have to hire a coach he likes, and even then...
@BillSimmons PS: Nobody is more excited about my last tweet than @mcuban and @swish41 ... Because they know CP3 is in play now. And wants a real coach.
   243. Famous Original Joe C Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:01 PM (#4433951)
[200] BUT DID HE WIN HIS 1ST OT: NBA MONTHLY THREAD MVP?!


Funny you should ask!

Announcing the winners of the 1st Annual BBTF NBA Thread Awards. Thanks to the 21 of you who voted. Now, onto the awards:

Most Valuable Player

This year, one of the very best players in the league got even better. He was a top three scorer with historically great efficiency, grabbed 8 rebounds per game, improved his assist rate, and his defense improved as well, leading a 60 win team to a #1 seed despite some predicting a (relative) regular season downturn for his club.

And yet, Lebron James was *so* good that the guy I described above couldn't grab a single vote for MVP. Congratulations to the best player in 20 years on a unanimous BBTF MVP.

Among the mortals, Durant grabbed every 2nd place vote, and Chris Paul got 15 of 21 third place votes to round out the top three.

James 210 (21)
Durant 147
Paul 83
Gasol 38
Anthony 22
Harden 18
Bryant 10
Duncan 9
Curry 5
Wade 3
Westbrook 1

   244. Famous Original Joe C Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:05 PM (#4433952)
Next up, Defensive Player of the Year. A little more variation in vote totals on this one, as six players received first place votes. However, in leading the Memphis Grizzlies to a near-league best D and best record in franchise history, our BBTF Defensive Player of Year goes to Marc "Fat" Gasol. As in the real world, Lebron came in second. When asked for comment on coming up short in the BBTF awards as well, he remarked, "Who?"

Gasol 76 (13)
James 44 (4)
George 15 (1)
Noah 11
SANDERS! 11
Hibbert 8 (1)
Chandler 8 (1)
Ibaka 5 (1)
Iguodala 4
Duncan 4
Howard 1
Durant 1
Allen 1

   245. Famous Original Joe C Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:11 PM (#4433957)
Sixth Man of the Year voting saw 13 players get votes, including 7 receiving 1st place votes - more than in any other year since the BBTF NBA Thread Awards were established. We saw role players known primarily for their offense, others for defense, and yet others because they play for the Utah Jazz and two of the voters root for the Utah Jazz. At the end of the day, though, our winner is both a major reason why the Knicks had their best regular season in 16 years, and a primary reason why they are ultimately doomed to fail: King of the "No...no...no...no....YES!!!!" shot, Earl Smith III!

Smith 62 (8)
Jack 31 (5)
Anderson 22 (2)
Crawford 22 (1)
Martin 19 (2)
Butler 8 (1)
Carter 6 (1)
Landry 3
Hayward 3
Drummond 1
Barnes 1
N Collison 1
Favors 1


   246. Famous Original Joe C Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:13 PM (#4433959)
Okay, moving on to Rookie of the Year. This was the easiest to tabulate - 15 of the 21 of you voted exactly the same, and only four players received any votes at all.

So, Damian Lillard. Whatever.

Lillard 93 (16)
Davis 67 (4)
Drummond 27 (1)
Beal 2
   247. Famous Original Joe C Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:19 PM (#4433966)
And our final award for the 2012-13 regular season: Coach of the Year. Always a tough one to quantify, this award had the largest number of legitimately deserving candidates, and seven coaches received 1st place votes. However, as it could be any year out of the last, oh 12-15 or so, this year's BBTF coach of the year is the immortal Gregg Popovich. Pop led the Spurs to another excellent season and his team looks to be the favorite to come out of the West after Russell Westbrook's injury. He also led the league in hilarious press conferences and condescending interactions with sideline reporters. Congrats, Pop! Well deserved.

George Karl came in second, proving that this is NOT a playoff award, and Erik Spolestra finished third, proving that having the by far the best player this century on your team is awesome.

Popovich 58 (7)
Karl 35 (6)
Spolestra 34 (3)
Thibodeau 17 (1)
Hollins 14 (1)
Woodson 10 (1)
Jackson 8 (1)
Carlesimo 4
Vogel 2

Thank you again to all who voted! We'll do some further awards at the end of the playoffs.
   248. tshipman Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:21 PM (#4433968)
Most Valuable Player

This year, one of the very best players in the league got even better. He was a top three scorer with historically great efficiency, grabbed 8 rebounds per game, improved his assist rate, and his defense improved as well, leading a 60 win team to a #1 seed despite some predicting a (relative) regular season downturn for his club.

And yet, Lebron James was *so* good that the guy I described above couldn't grab a single vote for MVP. Congratulations to the best player in 20 years on a unanimous BBTF MVP.


This is a great intro, Joe C. I hadn't completely thought through that before. It is pretty amazing.
   249. Famous Original Joe C Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:27 PM (#4433973)
Thanks, tship. It's kind of a poorly worded sentence now that I re-read it, but that aside it really is amazing.
   250. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:28 PM (#4433976)
This is a great intro, Joe C. I hadn't completely thought through that before. It is pretty amazing.

Seconded.

EDIT: Can't wait for the All-Defense and All-NBA votes, right guys?
   251. Famous Original Joe C Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:34 PM (#4433981)
I'll tally them if you all want to do them, folks.
   252. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:35 PM (#4433983)
While the consistent storyline of the series is that the Nets are more talented and the Bulls are tougher, Blatche was adamant Saturday that the latter was false.

“I feel like we’re definitely physically tough, we’re definitely more physical, we’re tougher than that team (the Bulls),” Blatche said. “For us, being behind 3-1 and for us to come back and tie it up shows how tough we really are, and shows how guys want to compete every night, which we’ve done.”


I saw the italicized quote on twitter, and was ready to give him a oh please, do shut up. But in context, it's not that bad. But this:

“We are coming back to Barclays Center for the most important game in Brooklyn Nets history!” Brooklyn Borough President Marty Markowitz said Friday in one of his familiar, pun-filled, over-the-top statements. “In Saturday night’s Game 7, with the loudest, most in-your-face fans in the country ‘blacking out’ Brooklyn, there is no doubt the Nets are going to give the ‘flu-ey’ Bulls the medicine they need—an early exit from the playoffs and a one-way ticket back to Chicago for some rest and relaxation. Bring on the Heat and watch out LeBron James, because after this series the Brooklyn Nets have ice in their veins and are coming to ‘cool’ you down.”
   253. GregD Posted: May 04, 2013 at 01:40 PM (#4433987)
the most important game in Brooklyn Nets history
I only hope this isn't true 10 years from now. But I'll save my ISP records to show I was watching it so my grandchildren will have some way of connecting to such a transcendent moment
   254. AROM Posted: May 04, 2013 at 04:06 PM (#4434081)
"Dribbling out the ball with 15 seconds to go? Why? What does that do for you?"

Good question. 8 point deficit with 0:40 seems doable for a team that, in the same quarter, went 10-0 within the space of a minute.
   255. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: May 04, 2013 at 04:31 PM (#4434095)
I keep meaning to call it out but forgetting: RR and I are getting together at the end of July for Cards@Angels in Anaheim. If anyone else out here wants to join us, give me a hollar so I can make sure to grab tickets all together.
   256. JJ1986 Posted: May 04, 2013 at 08:26 PM (#4434228)
If I were the Nets I would be forcing the Bulls to run as much as possible. Full-court press on defense, run up the court every time on offense. The Bulls guys are not going to get more than a few minutes of rest in the whole game.
   257. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 04, 2013 at 08:57 PM (#4434237)
I dont think the nets have the defense to do that much of the game. Then again with out deng rose and heinrich its a tough one
   258. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: May 04, 2013 at 09:11 PM (#4434240)
Nets should be ####### ashamed of themselves right now.
   259. bob gee Posted: May 04, 2013 at 10:03 PM (#4434250)
nets have come back a bit, but there's no reason the joe johnson shouldn't be playing much better than he is. gerald wallace is the leading scorer for the nets (and 3 for 6 from deep), WOW...
   260. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: May 04, 2013 at 10:32 PM (#4434261)
The Nets are a joke. Congrats to Billy King on his well deserved 4 year extension.
   261. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: May 04, 2013 at 10:33 PM (#4434262)
What a game for Noah.
   262. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 05, 2013 at 12:03 AM (#4434302)
Hell of an effort hy noah. Boozer also has a good game. That 4th foul on him was bs. I hope rose comes back for game one. This team is beat to hell but they play through it amd keep tryimg rose needs to step up and help them
   263. The District Attorney Posted: May 05, 2013 at 12:20 AM (#4434308)
I hope Jason Caffey comes back for Game One, but neither one's gonna happen.
   264. Into the Void Posted: May 05, 2013 at 01:02 AM (#4434335)
This team is beat to hell but they play through it amd keep tryimg rose needs to step up and help them


Derrick Rose is unaware of any criticism.
   265. rr Posted: May 05, 2013 at 02:17 AM (#4434350)
Was out tonight, so I missed the game. Give Chicago a lot of credit; Brooklyn is not that good, but any time a team wins Game 7 on the road, they deserve some real praise for it, particularly playing without two key guys (I am not counting Rose).

Simmons has one of his two-part columns called "Thirty Questions about the NBA" up. He defends Rose very vigorously, and he also puts in some stuff about there being a lot of tension between Paul and Griffin.
   266. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: May 05, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4434427)
Derrick Rose is unaware of any criticism.

I don't believe him*, but part of me does hope it's true. I was talking about this with some friends the other night, and the Bulls really mishandled this. They really should have said he was out for the year before the season ended, or at the start of the playoffs (and should announce it before tomorrow still). The only reason these questions keep coming up is because of that sliver of hope he might come back. And if he does come back after they announce he's out, even better; then it looks like he's ahead of schedule and can't wait to play again. He may very well deserve criticism and that's on him, but the team gets some blame too.

*He even says people he knows keep texting him to make sure he's ok because of what people are saying. He's really said some odd things the few times he's talked since the injury.
   267. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: May 05, 2013 at 11:25 AM (#4434441)
[266] I don't think that approach could have worked in today's world when we are aware of the recovery times of other guys who suffered ACL tears the last couple years. Hell, Shumpert tore his on the same day and has been back for months now.
   268. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: May 05, 2013 at 11:29 AM (#4434446)
Well, I guess we know Rose isn't using PEDs to come back faster than natural. :)

No, I think once we got to the end of the year and he wasn't back, they could have said they're not going to have him come back in the playoffs and that he still isn't ready. Perhaps there's some blowback to that too, but it's probably over by the time the playoffs start and they're not answering "When is he coming back" 50 times every day. Also, it takes the criticism away from him. Doing what they've done has done absolutely nothing but create a constant distraction; and if the team and org is truly behind him and no one is questioning him, they're only fanning those flames of doubt by being unclear.
   269. The District Attorney Posted: May 05, 2013 at 12:03 PM (#4434464)
once we got to the end of the year and he wasn't back, they could have said they're not going to have him come back in the playoffs and that he still isn't ready.
It seems apparent that the team does think Rose is medically ready; that they don't want to say that in public unless and until he agrees, but that that is their medical opinion. Right?
   270. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: May 05, 2013 at 03:04 PM (#4434596)
LeBron misses unanimous MVP by 1 vote...which went to Melo.
   271. The District Attorney Posted: May 05, 2013 at 03:12 PM (#4434599)
P.J. Carlesimo fired as Nets coach, and why not.

Stefan Bondy @NYDNInterNets
On the next coach, Deron Williams said they need a Thibodeau-type coach, "a drill sergeant who gets a lot out of his players.”
Until they actually hire one, I assume...
   272. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: May 05, 2013 at 03:13 PM (#4434600)
Deron Williams: Interim Coach Killer.
   273. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: May 05, 2013 at 03:16 PM (#4434602)
Durant was 5th on 2 ballots, which is...wow.
   274. tshipman Posted: May 05, 2013 at 03:51 PM (#4434625)
Brutal end of the game for the Grizzlies.

Durant was amazing. I cannot believe that the strategy of having Derek Fisher play crucial defensive possessions down the stretch was successful for them.

***

I will say, that game illustrated the difference of having your main guy to initiate be Durant vs. Mike Conley.
   275. nick swisher hygiene Posted: May 05, 2013 at 04:07 PM (#4434636)
Perkins played 34 minutes, scored two points, made what I was sure was gonna be the game-losing turnover with a minute left. Cannot believe OKC took that game.
   276. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 05, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4434641)
i am not basketball expert but the person who voted for carmelo anthony over lebron james for the mvp knows less then me

wow, that's stupidity on a grand scale

   277. The Ghost is getting a Woody Posted: May 05, 2013 at 04:26 PM (#4434653)
Rose needs to play 2 minutes just to see how it feels and also to get over the mental hump, which is probably the real issue.
   278. Maxwn Posted: May 05, 2013 at 04:27 PM (#4434654)
Perkins played 34 minutes, scored two points, made what I was sure was gonna be the game-losing turnover with a minute left. Cannot believe OKC took that game.

It was pretty good defense by him on Gasol the second-to-last possession. He may have kept Gasol from seeing that Z-Bo had his man pinned under the basket. Pretty unusual miss by Gasol there.

Oh well. This didn't really affect my opinion of the series much. Figured Durant could be beat the Grizzlies at least once. Question is still whether he can do it 4 times. I think not, but it certainly wouldn't be the craziest thing I've ever seen.

The Grizzlies are capable of playing a lot better on the OKC perimeter guys. The Thunder need some offense out of Ibaka to win the series I think.
   279. yo la tengo Posted: May 05, 2013 at 04:48 PM (#4434664)
Just tuned in to the end of the 1st half of the Pacers game. Dead crowd it seems. Also, the fade out music there - was that Patrick Watson? Is Melo the whiniest of the big time NBA stars?
   280. AROM Posted: May 05, 2013 at 04:53 PM (#4434671)
wow, that's stupidity on a grand scale


It's the kind of stupidity you can't really argue with, because there is no chance such person will understand anything you have to say.
   281. Maxwn Posted: May 05, 2013 at 06:14 PM (#4434710)
It's the kind of stupidity you can't really argue with, because there is no chance such person will understand anything you have to say.

I believe in the scientific community they refer to that as being "not even wrong."
   282. The Ghost is getting a Woody Posted: May 05, 2013 at 06:14 PM (#4434711)
Knicks fans leave early, down by 8 with 1:16 left. Premature.
   283. smileyy Posted: May 05, 2013 at 06:25 PM (#4434721)
So, bad Melo was back, huh? I didn't watch the game, but if he's going to take 28 FGAs, I want more than 4 of them to be 3's. How many of those were 18-21'?
   284. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: May 05, 2013 at 07:18 PM (#4434754)
1. My math may be off but I believe Jason Kidd has not scored a point since April 23rd.

2. Melo (h/t Conrad Eyechart)
   285. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: May 05, 2013 at 08:05 PM (#4434775)
2. Melo (h/t Conrad Eyechart)

There must be a mistake with that list, it shows Derrick Rose as an active player.

---

Wojoyahoo on Rose:

For the good of his franchise and fans, for everyone's focus to be where it should belong now – Bulls-Heat, Game 1 on Monday – Rose needs to drop the illusion that his return in these playoffs remains a consideration.

"Who knows?" Rose told reporters hours on Saturday. "It's still up in the air."

Who knows? Derrick Rose knows. His choice has been made to sit out the season and it includes no provisions for turning back, sources with direct knowledge told Yahoo! Sports.

Inside and outside of the organization, that isn't much of a revelation. After all, the surgery to repair the torn ACL in his left knee was May 12, 2012. Doctors cleared him to start scrimmaging with the team in mid-February. After all that, he isn't walking out for the first time with LeBron James and the Miami Heat waiting to jump him.


There's more, and on some level I agree with almost everything he says.

It seems apparent that the team does think Rose is medically ready; that they don't want to say that in public unless and until he agrees, but that that is their medical opinion. Right?

Sure, they know he's cleared, but they also know, IMO, he's not coming back and they knew that months ago. And even if they didn't, just saying it takes the pressure off him.
   286. smileyy Posted: May 05, 2013 at 09:46 PM (#4434811)
So, if someone came to you with a dollar, and 1000-1 odds that Derrick Rose would never play another minute of NBA basketball, well, to channel Bill Simmons, you'd doublecheck that your bank account could take the $1000 hit before taking that dollar, wouldn't you?
   287. The District Attorney Posted: May 05, 2013 at 09:47 PM (#4434812)
Sure, they know he's cleared, but they also know, IMO, he's not coming back and they knew that months ago. And even if they didn't, just saying it takes the pressure off him.
It would take a ton of pressure off Rose if the team publicly agreed that he shouldn't be playing; you're certainly right about that. The problem is that that's not what the team believes. The team could throw themselves under the bus for him, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that they should.

The comparison to Royce White is intriguing. Now, White has really serious mental issues that Rose does not; not trying to analogize in that sense. But, in both cases the essential issue comes from the tension between not wanting to tell someone what their own medical condition is, vs. what I believe (but the players involved may not believe) to be good-faith belief in the medical opinions of one's own medical staff. There's certainly no doubt that White would be more of a publicly sympathetic figure at this point if he just shut the hell up like Rose has. (Of course, it's also an illustration of the difference between how superstars and fringe players are treated.)
   288. AROM Posted: May 05, 2013 at 10:55 PM (#4434842)
"So, bad Melo was back, huh?"

My guess is that shoulder is bothering him more than he's admitting to, especially shooting from distance.
   289. Maxwn Posted: May 05, 2013 at 11:00 PM (#4434845)
So, if someone came to you with a dollar, and 1000-1 odds that Derrick Rose would never play another minute of NBA basketball, well, to channel Bill Simmons, you'd doublecheck that your bank account could take the $1000 hit before taking that dollar, wouldn't you?

#### no, I'd take that bet without even thinking about it. I don't know exactly what in the #### is going on with Rose and the Bulls this season, but it's just a torn acl. If he never plays again, I'll be as shocked as I've ever been in my life.

In reality I'd be disinclined to take a bet that could just win me a dollar, but I might take it anyway just on general give me a ####### break principles.
   290. Maxwn Posted: May 05, 2013 at 11:17 PM (#4434852)
I reserve the right to withdraw [289] if it turns out that the basic mortality risk for a 24-year-old is within 1000-1. Otherwise, nothing that has happened this year would move the needle on my willingness to accept or reject such a bet.
   291. GregD Posted: May 05, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4434860)
I reserve the right to withdraw [289] if it turns out that the basic mortality risk for a 24-year-old is within 1000-1. Otherwise, nothing that has happened this year would move the needle on my willingness to accept or reject such a bet.
I didn't see 24-year-old men particularly, but eyeballing the charts for the overlapping numbers, it looks like slightly more than 1 in a thousand men in the US, somewhat fewer than 1 in a thousand in the UK
   292. RollingWave Posted: May 06, 2013 at 12:04 AM (#4434864)
I guess one should at least point this out a bit.

In his 8 season in the NBA, Paul has never made it out of the 2nd round, in fact, he only came close even once.

I know he's never been on GREAT teams, but it's hard to say with a strait face that his teams were anywhere near the crew Lebron carried to the finals in Cleveland, you can not argue that David West / Tyson Chandler / Blake Griffin aren't very very good players.

   293. tshipman Posted: May 06, 2013 at 12:37 AM (#4434876)
I know he's never been on GREAT teams, but it's hard to say with a strait face that his teams were anywhere near the crew Lebron carried to the finals in Cleveland, you can not argue that David West / Tyson Chandler / Blake Griffin aren't very very good players.


Blake was injured and did not play in game 7. Pretty big mitigating factor, is it not?

Also, it would take Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird and Wilt Chamberlain to win a title with VDN as the head coach.
   294. Maxwn Posted: May 06, 2013 at 12:48 AM (#4434878)
Blake was injured and did not play in game 7.

There was no game 7 this year and while Blake was injured, he did in fact play in game 6. He was +9 in 14 mins with 9 pts and 3 rebounds on 60% shooting. That said, I mostly agree with you re: VDN.
   295. tshipman Posted: May 06, 2013 at 12:52 AM (#4434879)
There was no game 7 this year and while Blake was injured, he did in fact play in game 6. He was +9 in 14 mins with 9 pts and 3 rebounds on 60% shooting. That said, I mostly agree with you re: VDN.


That's my bad on Blake (and game 6 vs. 7). I thought he didn't play, but he just didn't start.
   296. rr Posted: May 06, 2013 at 12:53 AM (#4434880)
Maxwn beat me to it.

I think the more important thing to look at WRT Paul is where the Clippers were before he got there and where they are now. They were 22nd in ORTG in 2011; they have been 4th each of the last two years.
   297. Maxwn Posted: May 06, 2013 at 12:58 AM (#4434882)
I didn't see 24-year-old men particularly, but eyeballing the charts for the overlapping numbers

Thanks, Greg. Maybe I should just simplify things and say that I would take such a bet on Derrick Rose at the same or worse odds as I would for any other 24-year-old on the planet.

My best guess on what's going on with Rose right now, without having paid too much attention to the whole circus, is that he didn't expect the Bulls to do much this year, so he was planning on coming back next year, but now they've made a little noise and he got caught in between and doesn't know what to do.

The fact that he's mishandled this whole little sideshow doesn't really make me want to adjust my estimate of the odds he's playing on opening night next year.
   298. RollingWave Posted: May 06, 2013 at 01:17 AM (#4434892)
On Paul, I guess my point is that at least by the same insane unfair standards blasted on many other stars who didn't carry their teams to a championship, he shouldn't be excused. It is just curious to me that he's not getting the same treatment as Lebron, or even Melo.

   299. Maxwn Posted: May 06, 2013 at 01:29 AM (#4434894)
I do think there's an element of truth to the criticism of Chris Paul and winning in the playoffs. That truth is this: Paul is short and not really that prolific a scorer in the NBA. He will absolutely make you a ton better, but if you wind up in a playoff series where he's clearly your best scorer, and you need him to put up a ton of points, it's going to be tough. He put up 35 on the Grizz in game 5 and 28 in game 6, but he had to work his ass off to do it. Nearly any really good team ought to be able to guard him with somebody who has height and length on him. He can score on those guys anyway, but it ain't as easy for him as it is for Durant or Lebron or other dudes with a real size advantage. On a team with multiple other scoring options, I think he might add as much to your championship odds as anybody would, but if it's just him and one other guy, I think it gets a lot easier to just deny the other guy and make Paul have to work to score. In short, I think he's a great, great player, but if you wind up needing him to put up 30 a night, you're in bad shape. Vinny worsened this problem because he didn't play a lot of the other scoring options enough.
   300. Booey Posted: May 06, 2013 at 01:35 AM (#4434897)
On the next coach, Deron Williams said they need a Thibodeau-type coach, "a drill sergeant who gets a lot out of his players.”


Someone like Jerry Sloan, Deron?

I know he's never been on GREAT teams, but it's hard to say with a strait face that his teams were anywhere near the crew Lebron carried to the finals in Cleveland


LeBron's 2007 Cavs also got to play in the East at a time when there were usually only 2 good teams in the conference each season. Pretty much any halfway decent Eastern team basically had a free ride to the conference finals. LBJ's Cavs in 2007 didn't even have to play a team with an above .500 record until the third round (they beat the 41 win Wizards and then the 41 win Nets before facing the Pistons in the ECF).

By contrast, Paul's 2008 Hornets played in the West when even the 8th seed won 50 games. They easily beat a 51 win Mavs team in the first round and then barely lost to the 56 win defending champ Spurs in the second.

Not a fair comparison at all, IMO.
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