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   501. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: May 09, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4438821)

Just goes to show how fallible memories are! I remember Thunder Dan as having some driving ability, but I don't remember Steve Kerr putting the ball on the floor his whole career.
   502. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 09, 2013 at 04:31 PM (#4438839)
the little I heard about last night's heat/bulls game is that Chicago now needs to play 'tougher' and 'ugly' up the game

I hope that is not the case

first, the league worked hard to move away from scrum ball

second, and as an ironic twist, the bulls of the 90's specifically looked to what crew of refs handled their playoff games against the pistons knowing that if it was a strict crew Detroit was unlikely to keep pace with Chicago

   503. jmurph Posted: May 09, 2013 at 04:42 PM (#4438853)
the little I heard about last night's heat/bulls game is that Chicago now needs to play 'tougher' and 'ugly' up the game


Not doubting what you heard, but that would be a strange response to a game with multiple ejections, technicals, hard fouls, etc.
   504. Bitter Mouse Posted: May 09, 2013 at 04:51 PM (#4438861)
I am not convinced raw % and volume is the way to go here. The league wide shooting percentages and 3pt volumes have changed enough over the years (I think) that I suspect you have to to a league/era adjustment to get the best shooting backcourt of all time.
   505. andrewberg Posted: May 09, 2013 at 05:02 PM (#4438877)
I am not convinced raw % and volume is the way to go here. The league wide shooting percentages and 3pt volumes have changed enough over the years (I think) that I suspect you have to to a league/era adjustment to get the best shooting backcourt of all time.


I agree. I was thinking that something like (3PMG*3P%)/(Lg3PMG*Lg3P%)

Matt Bonner strikes me as the top 3's only guy. He's shot 56% of his FGA there in SA. Still no Novak.
   506. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 09, 2013 at 05:29 PM (#4438905)
jm

i went to a farm auction today (number one past time of old farmers)

so i was sitting in the back (they give the oldtimers like me places to sit) and somebody had i think it was espn on in the background

that likely explains things
   507. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: May 09, 2013 at 05:31 PM (#4438909)
I am not convinced raw % and volume is the way to go here. The league wide shooting percentages and 3pt volumes have changed enough over the years (I think) that I suspect you have to to a league/era adjustment to get the best shooting backcourt of all time.


Also, are you looking at just one season, or any kind of extended run.
   508. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: May 09, 2013 at 05:45 PM (#4438926)
the little I heard about last night's heat/bulls game is that Chicago now needs to play 'tougher' and 'ugly' up the game

First, what jmurph said. But more importantly, it's just not true. They want to keep the pace slower - which can be uglier - but that loss had nothing to do with toughness and the Bulls aren't a physical team in the 90s sense. They need to control the boards and the paint (I saw Miami shot over 80% in the lane yesterday and the Bulls usual D gives up closer to 50%) and reduce turnovers (Miami has a devastating transition offense). Also, the Bulls need magic healing potion and a waiver of the trade deadline and salary cap rules if they want to win.

---

Deng talked to the media today. Said he's lost over 15lbs since he got sick and had a fractured thumb earlier this (that he played through and wasn't previously disclosed). Hinrich is getting (or already got) an MRI for his calf. I think it's more likely Rose plays than either of them (and I'm on record saying Rose isn't playing).
   509. andrewberg Posted: May 09, 2013 at 06:14 PM (#4438950)
I saw Miami shot over 80% in the lane yesterday and the Bulls usual D gives up closer to 50%


To be fair, Miami had more fast break points than normal, and those are some pretty easy paint attempts.
   510. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: May 09, 2013 at 06:40 PM (#4438980)
I am not convinced raw % and volume is the way to go here. The league wide shooting percentages and 3pt volumes have changed enough over the years (I think) that I suspect you have to to a league/era adjustment to get the best shooting backcourt of all time.

Agreed, though there's not much to go on before the late 80s. I'll put in a vote for Nash, Bell/Johnson, and Barbosa, with Price, Ehlo, and sometimes Kerr close behind. The Suns led the league in 3P% four straight years while ranking 1st, 1st, 2nd, and 5th in attempts. Curry, Thompson, and Jack or whoever else joins them in the backcourt are right up there and should have a great argument with a couple more years like the past two.
   511. Amit Posted: May 09, 2013 at 06:55 PM (#4438997)
A quick look at 3-Pt shooting percentages over the years. The success rate has been fairly stable over the last 15 years or so.
1980: 28.0%
1985: 28.2%
1990: 33.1%
1995: 35.9%
1996: 36.7% Line moved in from 23'9" to 22'
1997: 36.0%
1998: 34.6% Line moved back to 23'9"
2000: 35.3%
2005: 35.6%
2010: 35.5%
2013: 35.9%
   512. King Mekong Posted: May 09, 2013 at 10:59 PM (#4439189)
Are there any Spurs fans here? Can anyone tell me why DeJuan Blair no longer gets any minutes at all, even in garbage time?


It's pretty much because he is short and can't hit 3 pters. Diaw took his minutes last year and he never really earned them back. He also seems to have lost his one elite skill of rebounding.
   513. Jimmy P Posted: May 10, 2013 at 01:44 PM (#4439653)
Jack Ramsey is not going to be announcing any more this season. He's got an undisclosed medical issue. I hope for the best for him, but fear the worst.
   514. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: May 10, 2013 at 02:15 PM (#4439697)
Unsurprisingly, all of Rose, Hinrich, and Deng are out for game 3 tonight.
   515. andrewberg Posted: May 10, 2013 at 06:19 PM (#4439964)
Hansen put another $50m on his bid for the Kings. I am not sure what that will mean after the relocation committee already pooped on his other offer.

Tonight's predictions: MIA 91 CHI 79. SA 114 GS 103.
   516. steagles Posted: May 10, 2013 at 07:06 PM (#4440019)
Unsurprisingly, all of Rose, Hinrich, and Deng are out for game 3 tonight.
derrick rose tore his ACL on the same day as this guy.

i'd crack a joke about that, but at least it was an injury that kept derrick rose out all season. :bynum:
   517. Amit Posted: May 10, 2013 at 07:13 PM (#4440026)
I'll go with:
MIA 98, CHI 88
GS 108, SA 101
   518. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 10, 2013 at 07:21 PM (#4440028)
Great Zach Lowe article on Curry. The SportVu and Synergy data is really interesting.

As a Warriors fan, the player who has actually surprised me the most in the postseason is Harrison Barnes. He always looked good when he was aggressive in the regular season, but he would spend large parts of games just drifting. When Lee went down, his minutes jumped and he (or Jackson) seems to have decided that he needed to be a larger part of the offense. He has been given the responsibility of taking advantage of the mismatches Curry causes, and he's done a great job of it. He can post smaller players and shoot over them, and he's quick enough to drive by any big who plays him. Really nice complement to Curry and Thompson.
   519. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 10, 2013 at 07:35 PM (#4440042)
Also, the Warriors released renderings of the proposed new arena on the Embarcadero a few days ago. Looks like it could be cool.
   520. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 10, 2013 at 08:31 PM (#4440081)
That foul call on Butler is ridiculous.
   521. Into the Void Posted: May 10, 2013 at 08:46 PM (#4440101)
Darkness, do you see the Warriors switching stadiums having the same effect on the crowd as the move from Candlestick to AT&T did?
   522. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 10, 2013 at 08:50 PM (#4440103)
The Bulls are going to blow this by being big ####### babies.

   523. zempf Posted: May 10, 2013 at 08:52 PM (#4440107)
Luckily the Bulls' bench is so deep right now that they can totally afford to lose a guy. Oh wait.
   524. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 10, 2013 at 08:53 PM (#4440109)
Nazi needed to go there no need to push lebron
   525. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 10, 2013 at 09:09 PM (#4440127)
Darkness, do you see the Warriors switching stadiums having the same effect on the crowd as the move from Candlestick to AT&T did?

Depends what you think that effect was. I don't think AT&T crowds are bad.* They're less drunk and ornery than Candlestick crowds, but that's partially because they're warmer and aren't dreading trying to get out of the parking lots after the game. I imagine an Embarcadero arena will get a big influx of lawyers/investment bankers into the luxury boxes, but the east bay fans should still be able to get there without much trouble.

I don't honestly know why Oracle crowds are so good though. I think it has kind of grown out of the Warriors being bad but fun for so many years. They've managed to avoid front-running fans (by never being in front) while still developing a large, dedicated fan base. It also doesn't hurt that they're the only bay area basketball team and so warriors fandom is a meeting point for east bay/sf rivalries. I actually think regularly winning might be a bigger threat to the type of crowds they draw than the arena move.

*That said, one of my lawyer friends had her firm's tickets for Cain's perfect game but she left in the 7th inning because she was bored. So there's that.
   526. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 10, 2013 at 09:17 PM (#4440134)
Boozer should know better than to touch a fellow Dukie.
   527. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 10, 2013 at 09:20 PM (#4440137)
These refs suck
   528. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 10, 2013 at 09:24 PM (#4440141)
That was a flop to the asik degree. These refs really have done a bad job tonight. Not used to seei g so many bad calls against the home team.
   529. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 10, 2013 at 09:55 PM (#4440165)
Terrible call against belinelli...
   530. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 10, 2013 at 09:56 PM (#4440166)
Is there something wrong with Noah? He seems legitimately nuts.
   531. jmurph Posted: May 10, 2013 at 09:58 PM (#4440171)
Ahem, I say again: Chicago could totally win this series.
   532. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:02 PM (#4440178)
Nate Robinson reverse posterizes Lebron!
   533. steagles Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:05 PM (#4440181)
Nazi needed to go there no need to push lebron
:godwin:
   534. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:09 PM (#4440185)
Shooty he is allergic to fouls that arw called when nothing happend...hell bellinelli was pushed away by lebron and got called for a foul
   535. jmurph Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:14 PM (#4440188)
Lebron is making a lot of very bad decisions tonight.
   536. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:17 PM (#4440191)
So apparently if lebron drives and misses his shot its a foul now. And yes i drunk these refs make angel hernandez look good
   537. jmurph Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:19 PM (#4440192)
I don't think it's egregiously in favor of the Heat. I think Noah, specifically, hasn't gotten a few calls he should have on the offensive end. But I think they're roughly equally horrible in both directions. Maybe like 52-48 Heat.
   538. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:21 PM (#4440195)
Bulls have some heavy legs now.
   539. jmurph Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:23 PM (#4440196)
Attention Mike Breen: Nate Robinson is a perfectly cromulent NBA basketball player, not an 8 year old. Stop losing your mind every time he makes a play.
   540. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:34 PM (#4440200)
Bosh and Norris Cole have really bailed out James in this game. It will be a killer for the Bulls to lose a game where James is so poor.
   541. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:37 PM (#4440202)
Wtf did noah do there? Just horrible officating
   542. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:39 PM (#4440203)
(aside) Let's see if we can kill Meatwad (aside)

Drinking game! A shot every time the refs blow a call.
   543. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM (#4440205)
And Cole with the killer. Ah well. Bring out the Dubs! I'm a little nervous by how easily pundits who should know better are writing off the Spurs. Are they all nuts?
   544. jmurph Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:43 PM (#4440206)
Does he have to drink for that terrible call on Battier, too? I hate to defend Battier. Shudder.
   545. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM (#4440217)
Battier gets every bad call for that oscar level flop earlier
   546. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: May 10, 2013 at 10:58 PM (#4440222)
What a great effort by the Bulls. Thibodeau and the team deserve a ton of credit for how hard they compete. They must have been running on fumes by the end of the fourth quarter.
   547. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM (#4440225)
I'm a little nervous by how easily pundits who should know better are writing off the Spurs. Are they all nuts?

I think so. I think you have to massively favor the Spurs in any game that's close going into the 4th quarter, and I just can't see the warriors getting 3 more run away wins. I hope they're right though.
   548. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 10, 2013 at 11:09 PM (#4440229)
I still blame the refs but none the less this is a bulls team with 2 statrters giving the heat everything they can handle
   549. Booey Posted: May 10, 2013 at 11:16 PM (#4440233)
Ahem, I say again: Chicago could totally win this series.


No they can't. If they can't win at home when LeBron shoots 6-17 and Wade only scores 10 points, it's going to be a short series. I agree with others who've said that the Bulls KNOW HOW to beat the Heat better than anyone, but with all the injuries they don't have the personnel to actually do it. The talent gap between the two teams right now is just enormous.

But yeah, I agree with post 546. Other than game 2, Thibs and co have done a very impressive job at staying with Miami in a series that had no business even being competitive. I don't expect Chicago to win another game, but I don't expect any more blowouts either.
   550. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:22 AM (#4440267)
Terrible call on the Bogut block.
   551. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:25 AM (#4440269)
Tony Parker is following up a great first half with an equally terrible 3rd quarter.
   552. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:32 AM (#4440273)
Joseph, Danny Green, and Leonard are all playing great defense.
   553. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:34 AM (#4440275)
I'm positive Manu flops to get himself going. That 3 was in the bag.
   554. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:34 AM (#4440276)
The Warriors do some extremely thuggy things in the name of "blocking out".
   555. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:36 AM (#4440277)
Nice run by the spurs. Ginobili is maddening.
   556. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:41 AM (#4440279)
Those last two passes by Splitter suggest a player underrated by PER.
   557. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:43 AM (#4440281)
Spurs doing a great Warriors-in-the-4th impersonation to start the quarter.
   558. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:43 AM (#4440282)
I'm sure Pop is close to blowing a gasket.
   559. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:44 AM (#4440283)
Warriors rip right back! That was a fast 8 points.
   560. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:48 AM (#4440287)
HACK-A-BOG
   561. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:52 AM (#4440289)
Suddenly the Warriors get no whistles in their own crib? Harsh, refs.
   562. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:53 AM (#4440290)
Both teams seem wiped out offensively.

I'm sure I'll eat these words, but Curry almost seems to have given up against Danny Green.
   563. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:57 AM (#4440292)
Bogut picking up his 5th foul may be a good thing for Golden State.
   564. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:00 AM (#4440295)
Oh, ####. Curry's ankle just gave up.
   565. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:00 AM (#4440296)
#### me
   566. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:00 AM (#4440297)
I hope that's not serious. It didn't look terrible, but you never know.
   567. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:02 AM (#4440298)
I love Kawhi Leonard.
   568. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:07 AM (#4440300)
WTF
   569. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:08 AM (#4440301)
How do the refs almost #### that up?
   570. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:08 AM (#4440302)
Bad week for refs everywhere.
   571. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:09 AM (#4440303)
That was some horrible passing and shooting by Jack.
   572. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:10 AM (#4440304)
Danny Green is a defensive banshee. Huge effort from him tonight.
   573. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:12 AM (#4440305)
The fact that giving the ball to Jarrett Jack and letting him dribble for 20 seconds is the Warriors crunch time plan fills me with no confidence.

Edit: Also Ginobili's post-shot flopping is yellow card worthy.
   574. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:14 AM (#4440306)
Yeah, Green was huge tonight.
   575. tshipman Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:14 AM (#4440307)
I can't decide if this was a bad loss for the Warriors or not.

On the one hand, it's the game where their shots didn't fall. They're always going to lose that game.

On the other hand, maybe the Spurs have a better game plan.
   576. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:37 AM (#4440312)
To go back to the Bulls game, I don't agree with meat blaming the refs. They play extremely physical. Noah had some ticky tacky stuff, but he also lost his cool in the 4th. There's a fine line between energy and playing out of control, but I think Miami and LeBron is more under Noah's skin than the other way around.
   577. andrewberg Posted: May 11, 2013 at 01:51 AM (#4440315)
I don't think there are good losses at this point, even if GS had some things to like. Winning 3/5 will be very tough.

Lebron was waaaaay off tonight... And had 25-8-7 on 16 fga. That's pretty unreal.
   578. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: May 11, 2013 at 07:41 AM (#4440339)
The 76ers hired Sam Hinkle (HOU asst GM) as their new GM. It's always hard from my remove to tell how good an exec is, but I thought he'd get a gig years ago - very well regarded dude and likely represents a big swing in their philosophy toward analytics.
   579. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: May 11, 2013 at 12:03 PM (#4440443)
I don't think there are good losses at this point, even if GS had some things to like. Winning 3/5 will be very tough.

It's going to be even harder to win 3 of 4.

Lebron was waaaaay off tonight... And had 25-8-7 on 16 fga. That's pretty unreal.

This. Watching the game, all I could think was that LeBron was not playing well. That he could put up such a big line when he's not playing well is amazing. He only had one turnover as well.
   580. Spivey Posted: May 11, 2013 at 07:30 PM (#4440760)
A couple of thoughts from this game so far:

1. Conley is being outplayed by Reggie Jackson. That's unacceptable.
2. If LeBron James got the protection by officials taht Durant gets, he'd never commit a foul and shoot 20 free throws per game. And I say that as someone that loves Durant.
   581. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: May 11, 2013 at 09:17 PM (#4440800)
Hawks reportedly after SVG. If we could get Stan + Dwight... lets throw in CP3 too.
   582. tshipman Posted: May 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM (#4440816)
Hawks reportedly after SVG. If we could get Stan + Dwight... lets throw in CP3 too.


Uhhh ... there's zero chance in hell that you get SVG and Dwight. If you get SVG, Dwight ain't coming.
   583. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: May 11, 2013 at 11:13 PM (#4440830)
Marginally more than zero - thank you! It is technically possible, which is the second best kind of possible, behind realistically...

Idea is that Dwight has seen the light on Stan - a sentiment I'd heard several times prior to the ATL is interested in Van Gundy rumor popped up.
   584. Spivey Posted: May 12, 2013 at 01:46 PM (#4441026)
I could see Dwight coming around on the SVG tough love after the train wreck in LA this year. I'm not sure if SVG would feel the same, though I suppose coaches realize at times they have to deal with annoying players who happen to be really good.

I'd say it's quite unlikely, but I don't think I could put it at 0%. Golden State's season is on the line this afternoon. I'm really looking forward to that game.
   585. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 12, 2013 at 03:55 PM (#4441112)
I thought home teams were supposed to get the foul calls

I doubt abc will be thrilled with a spurs blowout courtesy of golden state not being able to play any big men
   586. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 12, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4441117)
I thought home teams were supposed to get the foul calls

You're watching the home team bias collide with the respected superstar bias. It's a confusing position for NBA refs.
   587. Spivey Posted: May 12, 2013 at 04:26 PM (#4441130)
DANNY GREEN!
   588. Spivey Posted: May 12, 2013 at 04:30 PM (#4441138)
Danny Green has made himself hundreds of dollars with this series. Literally hundreds.
   589. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 12, 2013 at 04:31 PM (#4441139)
so as a casual fan I tune into spurs/warriors and I see teams that can't shoot, completely disorganized offense, players banging into each other with impunity and basically unpleasant to watch.

yikes
   590. tshipman Posted: May 12, 2013 at 04:35 PM (#4441142)
It's too bad about the Warriors. They are killed with injuries, and then they're just getting doubly killed with the bad foul calls.

Bogut's second foul was ridiculous. He played perfect defense, was in great position, Duncan pinned him, and drew the foul.

The NBA!!!!! IT'S FAAAAAANTASTC!
   591. Spivey Posted: May 12, 2013 at 04:38 PM (#4441146)
I missed most of the first quarter, but in the second quarter GSW has not been getting the short end of the stick at all.
   592. Spivey Posted: May 12, 2013 at 04:40 PM (#4441147)
That's a block on Jefferson.

I love Hubie Brown, but his willingness to say "No question about it" on shitty charge/block calls is his achilles heel.
   593. Squash Posted: May 12, 2013 at 04:48 PM (#4441155)
That's a block on Jefferson.

Were you referring to the charge on Parker? That was one of the most no-doubt charges you're ever going to see. Just about any time the dribbler lowers his shoulder like that it's going to be a charge.

All in all a pretty pathetic half for the W's. The long stretches they go through with Jack bringing the ball down and Curry essentially serving as an all-star decoy on the right wing are a little strange considering they inevitably end with one of the brick layers down low taking shots with three guys on them or a long two from Jack.

On the flip side, Danny Green is a great player when he's on.
   594. Spivey Posted: May 12, 2013 at 04:51 PM (#4441156)
Were you referring to the charge on Parker? That was one of the most no-doubt charges you're ever going to see. Just about any time the dribbler lowers his shoulder like that it's going to be a charge.


Damn right I was referring to that. Jefferson went up for the charge, realized Parker was going around him, and slide well after Parker had gathered and was going up. Parker lowered his shoulder to protect himself from a much bigger player sliding in front of him.

The fact that is "one of the the most no-doubt charges" is everything that is wrong with officiating in college basketball and the NBA. If you aren't in position before the player gathers the ball, it's a block. Period.
   595. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 12, 2013 at 04:55 PM (#4441160)
Were you referring to the charge on Parker? That was one of the most no-doubt charges you're ever going to see. Just about any time the dribbler lowers his shoulder like that it's going to be a charge.

I was going to say it looked like a no doubt charge to me, but I missed the replay.
   596. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 12, 2013 at 05:09 PM (#4441169)
There's another offensive foul. Was that on Barnes for walking, or Bogut for moving his arm?
   597. Spivey Posted: May 12, 2013 at 05:14 PM (#4441174)
Harrison Barnes is a great 3/4 flex.
   598. Spivey Posted: May 12, 2013 at 05:16 PM (#4441175)
Playoff basketball is a game of adjustments. Danny green on Curry was the first big one. Bogut off of Duncan, to make sure he gets 35 minutes a game, looks like it could be the second big one.
   599. Squash Posted: May 12, 2013 at 05:22 PM (#4441179)
The fact that is "one of the the most no-doubt charges" is everything that is wrong with officiating in college basketball and the NBA. If you aren't in position before the player gathers the ball, it's a block. Period.

That I agree with. But that one wasn't quite that kosher b/c of the way in which Parker lowered his shoulder. And Jefferson wasn't going up - maybe we're referring to different plays. Both guys were on the ground, Parker lowered his shoulder, and went right into his chest. An obvious one.

Though yes, I do agree the offensive foul calls in the NBA are all screwed up. There are many plays where the foul is on the offense but the "habit", for lack of a better word, is to call it on the defense (such when a defender bites on a pump fake and the offensive player then jumps directly into him). And many plays where fouls on the defense (such as exactly those examples you're talking about where a guy goes up in the air and a defensive player slides under him) that are called on the offense. They need to throw away the "rules" and start calling them based on who initiates contact.


On a different note, this little Warriors run shows why all the doom and gloom by the announcers at halftime was jumping the gun. The Warriors weren't going to shoot 30% for the entire game.
   600. Squash Posted: May 12, 2013 at 05:27 PM (#4441183)
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