When I used to get into "ugliest players in the league" debates with my brother and our friends back in the '90's, Cassell was always one of our consensus picks.

Popeye Jones.

Tyrone Hill completes the trilogy.

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This Amare thing is just unreal.

I may be trolling here, but if the Celtics have past histories with so many different officials, perhaps the Celtics are the problem and not the officials?

Tyrone Hill was supposed to be the Sixers' ugliest player back then, but unlike Cassell or Calvin Booth, he looked all right when he was smiling.

On a related note, I wrote a rant at Bill Simmons on my not-yet-abandoned blog, on the critical topic of Slavic orthography. God damn it Bill! Stop saying "Pekovik" and "Vujacik".

I think I got where you were going at the time, still...

Walker had a three year span where he took 1,830 threes (he made 34.5% of them). Smith's career high in three point attempts: 154.

Smith's prowess as a defender mitigates a lot of the concerns about his effort level for me (with so much of defense being about effort). Additionally, I consider them very different types of athletes - Smith being about explosiveness (as evidenced by his block totals - over four times Walker's career rate), Walker more about finesse (though that sounds misleading out of context).

So, it's not that you're wrong - I'll just never connect the two.

When I used to get into "ugliest players in the league" debates with my brother and our friends back in the '90's, Cassell was always one of our consensus picks.

Popeye Jones.

We mentioned him too. Pippen, Bird, Hornacek, and Reggie Miller were some of the others. If we'd had the debate in the last decade, I'd nominate Al Jefferson, Tayshaun Prince, Pau Gasol (who looks like a 7 foot hobo), and pretty much everyone on the 2002 Kings except for Webber.

Popeye Jones seems like an apropos place to leave off, given our history - the new thread is posted.

#2001, 2003 - Ah, yes. I'd forgotten about Booth and the undead-looking Hill. Maybe my memory blocked them out for a reason...

I may be trolling here, but if the Celtics have past histories with so many different officials, perhaps the Celtics are the problem and not the officials?


No, they're angels.

I think Smith and Walker are completely different players - the comparison to be made is that you never know what you're getting from either one of them, Good Antoine Walter/Josh Smith or Bad Antoine Walker/Josh Smith. They could both play you into or out of games with equal aplomb.

It's also worth mentioning: Josh Smith is quite a bit better than Walker ever was. Even when he shoots you out of the game, he contributes in other ways.

Incidentally, if you're a WS/48 dude... Walker never posted an above average season on his career (career: .058, league avg = .100).

Smith's WS/48 numbers aren't great either: career .102, .137 over the last three years) - I think (there could be some fan bias here - my Smith fandom, as opposed to my Hawks fandom) that this underrates him, in part because of how WS assigns defensive credit. His Roland ratings have been solid the last six seasons:
'11-'12: +7.7
'10-'11: +5.2
'09-'10: +6.2
'08-'09: +2.6
'07-'08: +4.9
'06-'07: +4.6

Tyrone Hill completes the trilogy.

Man, that guy was ugly.

How does Patrick Ewing not get a mention?

Three halves into the series and the Celtics are 0/18 from deep.

Use the new thread!