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OT: NBA Monthly Thread, February 2012

I estimate that there may be more than 10-12 Primates who want to talk about the inevitable dominance of the Philadelphia 76ers, and with our own thread, we won’t detract from what this site is really about: the pharmaceutical industry, allergies, and obscure movies.

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   501. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 11, 2012 at 10:16 PM (#4059114)
Imanity!
   502. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 10:18 PM (#4059115)
####### Rubio and his damn pterodactyl arms.
   503. vagab0nd kills for candy Posted: February 11, 2012 at 10:22 PM (#4059118)
Who's playing further from reality during the last 4 games? Lin or Steve Novak (16 for 31 for 3)
   504. tshipman Posted: February 11, 2012 at 10:26 PM (#4059120)
Some gakking on FTs down the stretch here.
   505. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 10:28 PM (#4059121)
Crazy, sloppy, exciting finish. Still mad about the refs giving the Wolves an extra possession. And Lin's streak ending.
   506. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: February 11, 2012 at 10:30 PM (#4059122)
Lin, no question. Novak shot 57% from three last year (26-46)- he can't do anything else but shoot - but man he can shoot.
   507. nick swisher hygiene Posted: February 11, 2012 at 10:30 PM (#4059123)
498--Pekovic is a man; he must have to shave three times a day!
   508. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: February 11, 2012 at 10:42 PM (#4059126)
On draft day, Pekovic looked like a steal - nice to see that he might actually be one.
   509. I am going to be Frank Posted: February 11, 2012 at 10:47 PM (#4059129)
I went to the Wolves-Nets game last Friday and got an up close look at Pekovic. The man is enormous (so is Darko) and he had a great game against the Nets. I can see why scouts and GM get enamored with size.
   510. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 11:13 PM (#4059133)
Also, this was apparently the 4th largest crowd in MIN history and the biggest in 8 years (I probably got some of these details wrong).
   511. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 11, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4059141)
I would have expected it to be the biggest in a long time, and I'll bet the TV ratings were pretty excellent. Rubio and Lin are two of the most compelling figures in the NBA right now, exciting and completely new. People who otherwise wouldn't care about the Wolves or Knicks — like me — tuned in.
   512. Maxwn Posted: February 12, 2012 at 12:29 AM (#4059162)
I have yet to get a chance to see Lin play. All I know is if you get people debating about the relative efficiency and quality of your 20/8/6/3 game in a victory, you have ####### arrived in the NBA.
   513. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: February 12, 2012 at 08:10 AM (#4059203)
David Stern can't possibly let Gordon Hayward play in the Rookie-Soph game over Lin at this point, can he?
   514. madvillain Posted: February 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4059277)
I have yet to get a chance to see Lin play. All I know is if you get people debating about the relative efficiency and quality of your 20/8/6/3 game in a victory, you have ####### arrived in the NBA.


Hi's usage is now at 30; Dantonio's offense is PG driven but that's insanely high. Felton put up some huge games last year for Dantonio, and even Duhon had a brief flash in the pan for him. Lin's been helped by that, to take nothing away from how well he's been playing.

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First non-scrimmage type game for Chicago in awhile. Rose is "iffy" with his tight back. Chicago's way past "statement" games, but just for the sake of HCA advantage and every game being important for that, it's a big game.
   515. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 12, 2012 at 12:21 PM (#4059282)
This is the first time I've ever seen Pekovic. At least, that I can remember. He has the body of a pro wrestler. I'm terrified of him. He's also killing the Knicks right now.


Not to be confused with Vucevic, a.k.a. the Sixers' "Eurogoon" who actually looks like Darko Milicic.
   516. rr Posted: February 12, 2012 at 12:24 PM (#4059285)
David Stern can't possibly let Gordon Hayward play in the Rookie-Soph game over Lin at this point, can he?


Of course not. Hayward needs to be vetoed immediately.

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ISTM that they should add Lin--but not cut anyone else and maybe add a guy to the West to keep the same number of guys on each roster.
   517. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4059298)
Add him to the All-Star Team? That seems a little much.
   518. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 12, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4059301)
The Lakers play their annual very early game in Toronto at the end of their Grammy trip. If they win today, they'll finish the roadie at 3-3, which would actually be something of a miracle for a team that was 2-7 on the road before this. It's a sinking ship, to be sure, but you have to give the Lakers credit for paddling hard. Lowest opponent FG% in the league, they beat Denver and Boston, and let the Philly game slip away. I expected 2-4 or even 1-5, so 3-3 would be great. If they could get any point guard play, even a little, they'd be a really good team instead of just a tough out.

That's the difference that Odom makes, I think. For 30 minutes a game, he operated as point forward and allowed the Lakers to win without good PG play. Now that Odom is gone, it's basically Kobe Bryant and a barren wasteland in the backcourt. Hard to watch. And the Lakers have actually gotten WORSE from the arc; I'd thought they'd be at 30% by now, but they're now at 28.4%, worst in the league. They're just a terrible, terrible offense to watch right now.
   519. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4059303)
Add him to the All-Star Team? That seems a little much.
To the Rookie-Soph game.
   520. Tripon Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:05 PM (#4059305)
LAAFPA,

Point Guard has been an issue for the last 5 years, why do you think the Lakers haven't been able to develop one, or kick Derek Fisher off of his sorry behind?

( I really dislike Derek Fisher, he's the Juan Pierre version of the Lakers.)
   521. rr Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4059307)
If they could get any point guard play, even a little, they'd be a really good team instead of just a tough out.


Not sure about that, but I would like to see them with Ramon Sessions. He would help some.

OTOH, when baseball starts, Pujols will be hitting 3rd for the Angels. I have always been a casual Angels fan (my favorite AL team). Maybe I should become a full-on bandwagon fanboy this year.
   522. rr Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:10 PM (#4059308)
Point Guard has been an issue for the last 5 years, why do you think the Lakers haven't been able to develop one, or kick Derek Fisher off of his sorry behind?


Not LAAFP, but:

1. The Triangle and the personnel around him.
2. Some of the big shots he's made.
3. His personality. Fans hate him, but a lot of the players really respect him (El Presidente).
4. Kobe's respect for him.
5. His durability, toughness, and conditioning.
6. All the big wins that have occurred when he was on the floor.

Unless you're a genius like Paul, Nash, or Rose, playing PG can be a very system-dependent thing.

At the moment, Brown simply appears not to have the rocks to bench him.
   523. tshipman Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4059312)
That's the difference that Odom makes, I think. For 30 minutes a game, he operated as point forward and allowed the Lakers to win without good PG play. Now that Odom is gone, it's basically Kobe Bryant and a barren wasteland in the backcourt. Hard to watch. And the Lakers have actually gotten WORSE from the arc; I'd thought they'd be at 30% by now, but they're now at 28.4%, worst in the league. They're just a terrible, terrible offense to watch right now.


This is much more about Mike Brown's "offense" versus the triangle, in my opinion.
   524. rr Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4059313)
Crowd in Toronto appears to be about 40% LAL fans.
   525. Tripon Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:18 PM (#4059317)



1. The Triangle.
2. Some of the big shots he's made.
3. His personality. Fans hate him, but a lot of the players really respect him (El Presidente).
4. Kobe's respect for him.
5. His durability, toughness, and conditioning.
6. All the big wins that have occurred when he was on the floor.
Unless you're a genius like Paul, Nash, or Rose, playing PG can be a very system-dependent thing.

At the moment, Brown simply appears not to have the rocks to bench him.


During the Kobe-Shaq era, you had guys like Robert Horry, Ron Harper, or Brian Shaw whose job was basically be ready for the end of the 4th quarter. It seems to me that Derek Fisher evolved to that level (AKA, sit until the 4th quarter, then surprise the other team), but the stupefying thing is that he's still starting, even after years showing that he's not a starter anymore.

And while it's true good guard play is dependent on the system, at this point, Fisher wouldn't be good in any system, and hasn't been for years.

   526. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:21 PM (#4059318)
Not to be confused with Vucevic, a.k.a. the Sixers' "Eurogoon" who actually looks like Darko Milicic.
i think it'd be more accurate to say that eurogoon looks like what people thought milicic was supposed to look like.

the guy has range out to the 3 point line, he can score in the post, rebound on both ends. he's just a very skilled player who needs a bit more seasoning and a bit more of a leash.



also, evan turner has not looked good recently. he's just been very sloppy with the ball in his hands, and DC has got a really short leash with him right now. i don't think it's entirely unwarranted, but still, i'd like to see him get more run within the offense.
   527. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4059320)
oh, and also, according to bk-ref, the sixers are 1st in turnovers per possession. the distance between them and the #2 team is the same as the distance between the #2 team and the detroit pistons, who happen to rank 29th.

fun stuff.
   528. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:28 PM (#4059323)
No, I mean he LOOKS like Darko, not that he plays like him. He's no Divac or Pachulia in terms of goonery.
   529. rr Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4059324)
but the stupefying thing is that he's still starting, even after years showing that he's not a starter anymore.


And while it's true good guard play is dependent on the system, at this point, Fisher wouldn't be good in any system, and hasn't been for years.


I wasn't agreeing with it, just explaining it. Phil never trusted Farmar, who was not a Triangle guy in any case. As it turned out, both Farmar and the Lakers might be better off if Farmar were still here.

The Lakers are up 27-11, and Calderon has 9 of Toronto's 11 points. Blake just replaced Fisher.
   530. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: February 12, 2012 at 02:24 PM (#4059342)
Rose out. Game 9 of 9 on road trip. Could get ugly.
   531. Tripon Posted: February 12, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4059370)
The Lakers somehow don't lose this game.
   532. rr Posted: February 12, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4059372)
Don't see many five-second calls in the NBA.

Calderon was 13/18 and had 30, beating his previous season high by 11. Lakers often failed to go over the screen, which is what you need to do against a guy like that. Don't think Fisher can go over screens anymore. Lakers were fortunate to win 3 on the trip.

   533. rr Posted: February 12, 2012 at 03:46 PM (#4059374)
Things are indeed ugly for Chicago early without Rose.
   534. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: February 12, 2012 at 03:46 PM (#4059375)
just to stir up a tiny little amount of ####, the bulls now have the worst strength of schedule in the NBA, and they haven't beaten an above .500 team in the last 16 games.
   535. rr Posted: February 12, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4059377)
I really hope the Bulls play the 76ers in the Eastern Semis this year.
   536. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: February 12, 2012 at 04:09 PM (#4059384)
so, laker fans, what's wrong with josh mcroberts this year?
   537. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: February 12, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4059388)
I really hope the Bulls play the 76ers in the Eastern Semis this year.


The idea that Jeremy Lin is not going to be the Finals MVP this year is beyond reason at this point. Maybe this match-up will take place in the Eastern semi-finals? In any case, Lin will take care of either team in the next round.
   538. kpelton Posted: February 12, 2012 at 04:19 PM (#4059390)
@534 Calculated how--average win percentage of opponents? Gotta account for Chicago's read-heavy schedule and Philly mostly at home.

Based on location/differential, I show Chicago (-1.3) 27th, Philadelphia (-2.2) 29th and Boston (-2.8) with the easiest schedule in the league.
   539. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: February 12, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4059394)
Unless the sixers keep regressing to the mean and fall to the 4/5 seed, they won't meet in the playoffs.
   540. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: February 12, 2012 at 04:38 PM (#4059397)
Unless the sixers keep regressing to the mean and fall to the 4/5 seed, they won't meet in the playoffs.

the heat are only 1 game back in the loss column, so you probably shouldn't assume that the bulls are a lock for the 1 seed.



@534 Calculated how--average win percentage of opponents?
i was using basketball-reference's numbers.
   541. rr Posted: February 12, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4059413)
so, laker fans, what's wrong with josh mcroberts this year?


Can't tell if this is a serious question or wiseassery, but if it is the former: McRoberts was hurt very badly by LeVeto. He can run the floor and finish, and shoot a little, but that is more or less his game. Can't handle that well or post up, rebounding/passing just OK. D not so hot. Like I said last page, with Paul here, McRob would get some cookies, play on the run, and look better. On a team like the Lakers actually have, he is not all that useful. A lot of this also applies to Devin Ebanks.

I think that McRoberts/Murphy + a guy like Przybilla were what BussChak were going to do to replace Gasol and Odom...so when Odom said he wanted out, Buss just dumped Odom and got the first two anyway.

I personally think that Brown should give Ebanks and McRoberts a little burn even with the roster the way it is, but from what I have seen, Brown is coaching a little scared--seems worried, as I said, about finishing 9th, and about pissing off Fisher and Kobe. OTOH, 16-12 is about as good as it is going to get with this roster, so perhaps I am being too hard on Brown. But I have been umimpressed with him--he strikes me as guy who would be a good assistant, but is lacking the adaptiveness, presence, and awareness to be a good head guy. We'll see. Blake is getting more MPG than Fisher, which is a needed adjustment, but Fisher really needs to be benched entirely.
   542. tshipman Posted: February 12, 2012 at 05:40 PM (#4059420)
OTOH, 16-12 is about as good as it is going to get with this roster, so perhaps I am being too hard on Brown.


Brown has no clue how to use Gasol, has installed an offense that doesn't take advantage of the great hi-low passing, and fails to get anything out of the end of the bench.

The same roster, less the 6th man last year, won 57 games. For them to be 11 games worse this year (winning percentage wise), says a lot about the coaching staff (as well as age related decline).
   543. rr Posted: February 12, 2012 at 06:03 PM (#4059431)
less the 6th man last year,


Odom was 6th man of the year and played at a near All-Star level. He was probably the team's third-best player last year and was by all measures one of Top 40 or so players in basketball. They have replaced him with the corpse of Troy Murphy and the DNPCDs of Josh McRoberts. Bynum has picked up the USG, but the whole team, especially Gasol, misses Odom. Odom of course has played badly this year, but the dropoff from what he did last year is huge. They miss his handle, his face-up game, his rebounding, his D, and his passing. Shannon Brown is no big deal, but he did much more than Kapono can and played better D than Goudelock.

Basically, they have the worst roster in the NBA 4-14. The core, the Triangle, and Phil covered up a lot of those holes, but all these guys are a year older now and they were aging last year. The off-season additions were poor. Fisher has been totally exposed out of the Triangle; signing Blake to a four-year deal was a mistake, as many of us said when it happened.

Brown has not impressed me, as noted, but the problems run a lot deeper than just him. The Lakers are actually somewhat lucky to be 16-12. The West is deeper and better than it was last year, and is deeper than the East.
   544. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: February 12, 2012 at 06:14 PM (#4059436)
Basically, they have the worst roster in the NBA 4-14.

The Knicks say "Hey...let's not get hasty."
   545. JJ1986 Posted: February 12, 2012 at 06:41 PM (#4059448)
The Knicks have 4 good players plus Landry Fields is better than the 4th best Laker.
   546. JuanGone..except1game Posted: February 12, 2012 at 06:42 PM (#4059450)
Brown has not impressed me, as noted, but the problems run a lot deeper than just him. The Lakers are actually somewhat lucky to be 16-12. The West is deeper and better than it was last year, and is deeper than the East.


Completely agree. We have won based upon Kobe putting up MVP level stats and Bynum playing like the 2nd best center in the league. If either of their play drops off, we may not make the playoffs.

The one part that its hard to figure out is whether this roster is more Jimmy Buss or Kupcheck's fault. The Odom trade continues to be one of the more perplexing moves(non-CP3 variety) of the year.

Did anyone listen to Stern's podcast with Simmons? I don't think I could listen to him discuss the Lakers non-trade without kicking my dog, so I'd rather just get the highlights.
   547. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: February 12, 2012 at 07:32 PM (#4059471)
Mcbob - was serious. Note: he put up really good passing #s in Indy and looked good in that regard as well. It's odd to me that he hasn't shot a 3 all year as well.
Anyway, he's just a garbageman - but he had been pretty good at that role til now.

From afar, brown looks scared - I agree.

Fwiw, Shannon has sucks rocks this yr - entering dnpcd land.
   548. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: February 12, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4059473)
2012 is a funny time to be a sports fan:
RT @carmeloanthony I didn't realize that. Thanx4update “@tomtomphilly: Wonder if @carmeloanthony knows or cares how terrified #Knicks fans are about his return"
   549. Manny Coon Posted: February 12, 2012 at 07:59 PM (#4059483)
Billups, Afflalo and Lawson all shot much better next to Anthony last year than they have this year, what if playing next to Anthony somehow made Lin even better?
   550. rr Posted: February 12, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4059487)
Shannon has sucks rocks this yr - entering dnpcd land


I know. SBrown played better with Kobe than he has with Nash. Odom has looked awful, in Dallas, too, of course, so we don't know how they would have done staying in LA. I was never a fan of SBrown as a player. But I suspect the Lakers would be doing a little better if they had simply hired Shaw, and kept Odom, SBrown, and the Triangle, than they are doing now.

Bascially, I am not at all impressed with MBrown and have been disgusted by some of the stuff Jim Buss has done...but any eval of them has to take the Stern factor into consideration. We will see what happens at the deadline.

Tough night for the Hawks--getting blown away at home by the Heat on ESPN.
   551. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 12, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4059488)
(Here I address two subthreads at once.)

The Knicks are a good example of what happens when you go from awful point play to good point play. Especially in the era we're in now, you need a good PG to either advance the ball or slow it down, or you're going to end up scrambling an awful lot. The Lakers are a good example of what happens when you don't have one: they've been utterly butchered by other PGs, and they're countering with a starting PG who has totaled a grand total of TWO GAMES with a game score in double digits and absolutely no defensive value. It speaks to the talent and effort by the rest of the team that the Lakers have 12 losses already this season, but only 4 by double digits, and 3 of their losses were by 5 or less.

Look at the teams that fancy themselves contenders, and check their primary PG:

OKC - Westbrook
Denver - LawsonClippers - Paul
Spurs - Parker
Dallas - Kidd
Houston - Lowery
Miami - Chalmers/Cole (but really James/Wade)
Atlanta - Teague
Orlando - Nelson

The teams with guys who aren't much, like Teague, or old guys like Nelson and Kidd are good, but not in the top tier — yet they would be light years ahead of Fisher. (And anyone who saw this morning's Toronto/Lakers game saw Fisher/Blake get schooled by Calderon.) The Lakers have obvious talent, but they're playing every game 4 on 5 right now.

This is why I do expect the Knicks, when they get both STAT and 'Melo back, to be really good. Jeremy's never played with that kind of talent before. I refuse to believe 'Melo coming back would hurt Jeremy's production. He's one of the best mid-range shooters in basketball, and his history has been to try and play with talent (Iverson), and when he DID have a good PG to play with (Billups) Melo and his team did just fine. Amare obviously depends on his PG to feed him, and he knows how to run a PnR as well as any big guy in the league. Neither STAT nor 'Melo are dummies, they watch games and they can see the team turn around. I don't think either of those guys are thinking, "That's great, but I'm taking over when I get back."
   552. rr Posted: February 12, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4059490)
The one part that its hard to figure out is whether this roster is more Jimmy Buss or Kupcheck's fault.


I think Kupchak has always had a problem giving too many years/too much money to role players (Blake, Walton, Fisher).I think he assumed as most people did that Shaw would take over and they would keep the Triangle, so you might cut him some slack there.

I think Kapono and Murphy were Jim Buss moves. McRoberts...probably both of them.
   553. rr Posted: February 12, 2012 at 08:26 PM (#4059493)
Pretty much agree with LAAFP. I also think that Lin probably puts JR Smith in NY. He might have gone anyway, for the $, but the lure of LA/Paul/playing with Martin/Billups/chance to stick it to George Karl/shot at Finals will be strong. Now, I think the Knicks may figure that Lin/Smith/Anthony/Stoudemire/Chandler can really make some noise, so I think that plus the $ will put Smith there.

LAAFP's point about PGs is huge. That is why as a Lakers fan I don't worry so much about the flaws that Bryant/Gasol/Bynum have.

I will note that the Lakers are 9-3 in games decided by 5 or less--like I said, they are fortunate to be 16-12. And of course Kobe knows The Secret in crunchtime.
   554. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 12, 2012 at 08:54 PM (#4059505)
Point Guard has been an issue for the last 5 years, why do you think the Lakers haven't been able to develop one, or kick Derek Fisher off of his sorry behind?
Trip and RR have addressed this, but I wanted to add:

It's really hard to find a good PG who is going to be good right away. The Lakers during Fisher's tenure have always been contenders, and contending teams are far more reluctant than rebuilding teams to entrust the offense to a new guy and let him develop. The Shaq-Kobe Lakers and the Kobe-Pau Lakers both needed a PG they could trust right away — developing one over the course of a few years was simply out of the question. The triangle and having Bryant be the main ballhandler masked a lot of the backcourt issues. When they did acquire someone, it was usually a shooter to help space the court between Bryant and the bigs.

They did try, though. They hoped Jannero Pargo would someday start, then they hoped Smush Parker would develop, then Jordan Farmar, and now we'll see what happens with Darius Morris. They annually draft low, so they could only get their hands on projects, and none of them have worked out so far. Plus, Kobe and Gasol are budget busters, so they can't sign a pricy PG to anything resembling a max contract, and they don't have high draft picks to make trades with.

I will note that the Lakers are 9-3 in games decided by 5 or less--like I said, they are fortunate to be 16-12.
I'm not sure if that's luck, though. I mean, yes, luck has played a factor, but those close games are also a function of great defensive efforts, having Kobe Bryant, and being outright more talented than most other teams in the paint.
   555. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 12, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4059513)
just to stir up a tiny little amount of ####, the bulls now have the worst strength of schedule in the NBA, and they haven't beaten an above .500 team in the last 16 games.
Yet another datum to add to my point about PGs. The Bulls with Rose are an outstanding team; without him, they're just another pretender. It's worse for a team like the Bulls to lose that guy than it is for a team like Philly or Denver; their talent is diffuse enough that even having their PG go down won't kill them.

Losing Rose is actually worse than just losing a PG, since he's not just the primary ball handler and initiates the offense, he's also their #1 scoring option as well as the primary on-ball defender — it's no surprise that Rondo destroyed Chicago today. Rose + four average players is almost always better than 5 above average guys. We already know that the Bulls plus Rose is without question one of the three best teams in basketball There's no reason to think the Bulls minus Rose is anything resembling a contender.

Basically, gloat while you can, Steagles. The Sixers hit their first tough stretch, and lose to the Heat, Spurs and Clips (and nearly the Lakers) all at home. I'm not impressed.
   556. PJ Martinez Posted: February 12, 2012 at 09:47 PM (#4059526)
Yet another datum to add to my point about PGs. The Bulls with Rose are an outstanding team; without him, they're just another pretender. It's worse for a team like the Bulls to lose that guy than it is for a team like Philly or Denver; their talent is diffuse enough that even having their PG go down won't kill them.

All this demonstrates is that Chicago's best player is their point guard, and that this is not true of Philly or Denver.
   557. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: February 12, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4059568)
Current poll on ESPN.com asking who is the NBA's best PG. As of this comment (106,009 votes in) the returns are:

1. Derrick Rose 46%
2. Chris Paul 24%
3. Jeremy Lin 17%
4. Rajon Rondo 7%
5. Someone else 6%
   558. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: February 13, 2012 at 12:00 AM (#4059572)
I wasn't watching intently, but Gordon Hayward played really well in tonight's game despite getting hosed on a couple of no-calls. He reminds me of Gallo about a year or so ago where depending on what night you see him he shows you a different potential plus skill but fails to put everything together on a consistent basis. I hope he can get more aggressive and start doing just that.
   559. madvillain Posted: February 13, 2012 at 12:39 AM (#4059579)
All this demonstrates is that Chicago's best player is their point guard, and that this is not true of Philly or Denver.


Pretty much. I'm not convinced PG play is really that much more important than it ever was. New York's situation was pretty unique. It's not often a player like Tony Douglass gets extended burn on a team with that much talent around. He just had no clue how to run the offense, non of their guys did. The 'Melo point forward experiment was a complete failure.

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I bet Lin settles in around 13/6/3 with average efficiency.

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Didn't bother watching today's Bulls game after I learned Rose wasn't playing. Decided to spend my afternoon off outside instead. Seems like a good decision.

I'm an atheist, but I pray to the God of Back Problems that he's fine in a week or two.
   560. tshipman Posted: February 13, 2012 at 12:55 AM (#4059582)
I bet Lin settles in around 13/6/3 with average efficiency.


We should do predictions of his end of season numbers.

12 ppg, 4 apg, 3 T/O's, 2 rebounds on .420 shooting or so. (I am not drinking the Koolaid).
   561. Tripon Posted: February 13, 2012 at 01:08 AM (#4059585)
I am drinking the kool-aid.

50 PPG, 99 APG, -5T/O's, 44 rebounds on .999 shooting or so.

   562. rr Posted: February 13, 2012 at 01:47 AM (#4059587)
I'm not convinced PG play is really that much more important than it ever was.


Perhaps. Williams and Nash are on bad teams. But I also think an argument can be made that the no-handcheck rules and modern offenses and defenses make bad PG play a real issue and emphasize good or great PG play. And while there are many other factors involved, it is worth noting that Paul's old team is 4-23, after making the playoffs last year, and his new team is 17-8, after going 32-50 last year.

That obviously says a lot about Paul himself--but I think it also says something about the league.
   563. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: February 13, 2012 at 07:55 AM (#4059616)
[562] I feel like the Rose and Paul examples are less about the importance of PG play and more about just how freaking great those guys are.

In other news, don't remember what the thread consensus was on him at draft time, but Klay Thompson is up to .493 from 3 on the year.
   564. GregD Posted: February 13, 2012 at 09:05 AM (#4059640)
I bet Lin settles in around 13/6/3 with average efficiency.
If this happens, and Melo doesn't descend into petulance, the Knicks should be fine. Not going to the Finals fine, but fighting for a shot at the conference finals fine.
   565. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: February 13, 2012 at 10:14 AM (#4059686)
I know posting fantasy hoops stuff is kind of lame, however this fits in with Linsanity: I've been offered Amar'e for Lin - do you do it?
   566. rr Posted: February 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM (#4059739)
I feel like the Rose and Paul examples are less about the importance of PG play and more about just how freaking great those guys are.


Maybe both. Part of LAAFP's point was that having no PG or a really bad one seems underlined in this era, and I agree with him. We will see how the Knicks do after Lin regresses a bit.
   567. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: February 13, 2012 at 11:07 AM (#4059740)
I'm an atheist, but I pray to the God of Back Problems that he's fine in a week or two.

I'm really worried. He's seeing a specialist today.

If this happens, and Melo doesn't descend into petulance, the Knicks should be fine. Not going to the Finals fine, but fighting for a shot at the conference finals fine.

Who are they knocking out in the first round, much less pushing in the 2nd round? They're solidly a half game ahead of the 9th place team in the conference, but trail 7th place by 2.5 and 6th place by 4. Do you really expect them to either finish ahead of Boston and Orlando (they're not catching any of the other top 5, save a total tailspin collapse by Atlanta) or to beat Miami or Chicago in the first round?

---

I've said it before, but I have to say it again: I ####### hate Carlos Boozer. He has minimal court awareness, he puts no effort in defensively, and he actively avoids trying offensively against real competition. JVG mentioned the rebound/TO he called with Watson streaking down the court for an open layup. JVG harped on the Boston backup bigs constantly beating him down the court. And he had no interest in going to the post against KG, but as soon as anyone was guarding him he demanded the ball. That last one isn't all bad per se - he should be taking advantage of matchups. However it speaks to how he just floats through games. I'm surprised JVG didn't call him out more for his defensive rotations - one of the Rondo layup replays they showed about 25 times included Boozer rotating out of Rondo's way so that he had an uncontested layup. He had 22 points yesterday, but between his TOs (2 costly one for the back to back oops; 4 total), his ole individual defense, and his non-existent team defense, he must have given more back. I'm convinced he's a net negative for the Bulls.
   568. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: February 13, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4059753)
I've said it before, but I have to say it again: I ####### hate Carlos Boozer. He has minimal court awareness, he puts no effort in defensively, and he actively avoids trying offensively against real competition.

And the hair.
   569. tshipman Posted: February 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM (#4059771)
I know posting fantasy hoops stuff is kind of lame, however this fits in with Linsanity: I've been offered Amar'e for Lin - do you do it?


No.
   570. rr Posted: February 13, 2012 at 11:38 AM (#4059783)
I've been offered Amar'e for Lin - do you do it?


Well, of course, it depends on the rest of your roster. But, fantasy hoops is supposed to be FUN, and Lin is one hell of a lot more fun that Stoudemire is.
   571. aberg Posted: February 13, 2012 at 11:50 AM (#4059791)
OTOH, when baseball starts, Pujols will be hitting 3rd for the Angels. I have always been a casual Angels fan (my favorite AL team). Maybe I should become a full-on bandwagon fanboy this year.


I recently adopted the Mariners as my official "Second Favorite Team" since I live here and I'm tired of cheering against my friends' team. I guess it would be pretty natural for me to root for a crappy team that is always beaten down by your team, so have at it!

Completely agree. We have won based upon Kobe putting up MVP level stats and Bynum playing like the 2nd best center in the league. If either of their play drops off, we may not make the playoffs.


I believe that's known as "the 2004 formula."

Did anyone listen to Stern's podcast with Simmons? I don't think I could listen to him discuss the Lakers non-trade without kicking my dog, so I'd rather just get the highlights.


I also thought that said "Stern," but it said "Stein," and I was left with 60 minutes of whining at the gym. They rehashed why Westbrook is selfish, why the Pacers should try to add a star, and why Dwight needs to care more about winning. I didn't learn anything.

I've said it before, but I have to say it again: I ####### hate Carlos Boozer. He has minimal court awareness, he puts no effort in defensively, and he actively avoids trying offensively against real competition


There was a play in the second half where Rondo went right at him for a layup, and he dove out of the way like he bit on a fake, but in the slow motion replay, it was clear that Rondo didn't even make a fake. Boozer just dove out of the way on his own. Reminded me of this type of tirade, and made it seem very reasonable.

Who are they knocking out in the first round, much less pushing in the 2nd round? They're solidly a half game ahead of the 9th place team in the conference, but trail 7th place by 2.5 and 6th place by 4. Do you really expect them to either finish ahead of Boston and Orlando (they're not catching any of the other top 5, save a total tailspin collapse by Atlanta) or to beat Miami or Chicago in the first round?


It seems possible to me that they could get to 6th and play Philly. I have no idea how good they can really be until I see their new Big 3 play together.
   572. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: February 13, 2012 at 12:11 PM (#4059803)
Two weeks ago, this dude was on the verge of getting cut by the Knicks. Amazing.

{since you're all dying to know. i'm tied for first in a weekly h-t-h league where you start 2 guards, 2 forwards, a center, and a 6th man. i have great guard and center depth, but no backup forwards - i needed to acquire one simply to put out a lineup this week as melo is hurt (he's been the reason for both my losses). ended up doing the following:
start: bynum, gortat, griffin, ariza, parker, lin
bench: b.lopez, melo, lowry, kev.martin, harden
i normally win the regular season title in this league then blow it in the playoffs, where my #### doesn't work. accordingly, i'm trying to be more risk preferring.}
   573. aberg Posted: February 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM (#4059813)
I'd trade for Amare if you can sub in Lowry or Harden. Then again, I just traded Nash for Amare precisely because I want to swing for the fences.
   574. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 13, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4059820)
I recently adopted the Mariners as my official "Second Favorite Team" since I live here
Root for the Angels. You'll be happier, and a better person.

I feel like the Rose and Paul examples are less about the importance of PG play and more about just how freaking great those guys are.
My point, which I made badly, was that having a guy like that go down is doubly bad because you not only lose your star, but your PG as well.

We should do predictions of his end of season numbers.
12 ppg, 4 apg, 3 T/O's, 2 rebounds on .420 shooting or so. (I am not drinking the Koolaid).
15 PPG, 6 APG, 4 RPG, 3 TO/G. If Jeremy really is an above-average NBA point guard, the Knicks will start him, Landry, Anthony, Stoudemire, and Chandler. I could see that team in the Conference Finals.

   575. rr Posted: February 13, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4059821)
where my #### doesn't work

Cool. About five years from now, they will make a movie about you starring Brad Pitt.
   576. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 13, 2012 at 12:43 PM (#4059841)
Either BD Wong or Ken Jeong will play Jeremy Lin. There are only two Asian-American actors in the entire country.
   577. rr Posted: February 13, 2012 at 12:45 PM (#4059845)
Isn't BD a little old? I figure Lin will just play himself, and IMMEDIATELY do Academy Award-level work on his first take.
   578. Famous Original Joe C Posted: February 13, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4059865)
Either BD Wong or Ken Jeong will play Jeremy Lin. There are only two Asian-American actors in the entire country.

You forgot Harold of Harold and Kumar - John Cho, I think?
   579. I am going to be Frank Posted: February 13, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4059870)
What about Harold?

I got offered Kevin Martin and John Wall for Steph Curry and Lin. No way I was taking that - Steph Curry is awesome (my league also counts 3PT %).
   580. Famous Original Joe C Posted: February 13, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4059871)
Here is where I would start posting as Baron Davis if this were the old site.

Not quite sure how the Knicks are suddenly beating the Heat or Bulls in a playoff series because of Jeremy Lin, Pujols. I would go get the hose, but we had it permanently installed at STEAGLES place back in December.
   581. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: February 13, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4059886)


I recently adopted the Mariners as my official "Second Favorite Team" since I live here and I'm tired of cheering against my friends' team. I guess it would be pretty natural for me to root for a crappy team that is always beaten down by your team, so have at it!


The A's have been my AL team for as long as I can remember, largely because of Canseco and Rickey! This may change soon, if only because the cult of Beane gets on my nerves almost as much as Beane's weak management. The Mets are my primary club, so perhaps this is just projection to a certain extent. I really can't imagine turning in my Mets fandom, but I don't feel anywhere near as attached to the A's at this point.

I don't really have a western conference team in the NBA. I probably will take a rooting interest in the Sonics, whenever it is they return.
---

Lin has been delightful, but I worry about how he will handle Melo's return. I think Lin will play nicely off Amar'e, but Melo's general ballhoggery gives me pause. I've begun to think the best course for the Knicks, assuming they sign Smith, would be to functionally have two rosters:
Team A: Lin, Fields, Walker, Novak, Amar'e (an attempt at replicating the pre-trade Knicks roster.)
Team B: Davis, Smith, Melo, Jeffries, Chandler.

This was not my best idea.
   582. tshipman Posted: February 13, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4059907)
I'd trade for Amare if you can sub in Lowry or Harden. Then again, I just traded Nash for Amare precisely because I want to swing for the fences.


Probably a good move when the Bynum-led juggernaut is (*edit:) 14 games in front of the pack.
/gloat

(sorry, I've been successful at not bragging until this point)

*I miscounted. I thought it was 16, but I forgot you swept last week.
   583. Tripon Posted: February 13, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4059908)
I think the worry over Melo and Amare coming back and Lin not getting touches is overblown. In that first game against the Nets, he still was able to get 25 points, and more importantly on 19 Field Goal attempts.

He's the PG, the ball will be in his hands most of the time. Its his job to distribute, not the other way around.
   584. aberg Posted: February 13, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4059920)
Probably a good move when the Bynum-led juggernaut is (*edit:) 14 games in front of the pack.
/gloat


Yeah, your team has been indestructible like Ivan Drago so far. Luckily, I've got CP3 and Hibbert running up snowy mountains to win over your fans in the end.
   585. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: February 13, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4059921)
Jason Whitlock, reveling in the feel-good joy that is the Jeremy Lin story in the eloquent, big-hearted fashion for which he is known:

Some lucky lady in NYC is gonna feel a couple inches of pain tonight.
   586. madvillain Posted: February 13, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4059978)
Either BD Wong or Ken Jeong will play Jeremy Lin. There are only two Asian-American actors in the entire country.


I actually went to the same small college as the guy that plays Glenn on the Walking Dead. Steve Yeun is his name. Cool guy, hung out with him a bit in college. He's probably one of our most famous alums currently.
   587. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: February 13, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4059994)

I think the worry over Melo and Amare coming back and Lin not getting touches is overblown. In that first game against the Nets, he still was able to get 25 points, and more importantly on 19 Field Goal attempts.

He's the PG, the ball will be in his hands most of the time. Its his job to distribute, not the other way around.


My faith in Melo is minimal, and it will require every bit of Lin's intellect and skill to keep STAT and Melo sated.

I actually went to the same small college as the guy that plays Glenn on the Walking Dead. Steve Yeun is his name. Cool guy, hung out with him a bit in college. He's probably one of our most famous alums currently.


Walking dead story: I once attended a Robert Kirkman signing back in... 2008? or so. He signed my copy of Walking Dead to my then-gf and spent a significant amount of time hitting on her. The extent of his interaction with me was telling me to get a haircut. >:[

Naturally, that copy is now her copy.
   588. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: February 13, 2012 at 02:58 PM (#4060011)
Either BD Wong or Ken Jeong will play Jeremy Lin. There are only two Asian-American actors in the entire country.
wouldn't the guy from the green hornet be a suitable option as well?
   589. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: February 13, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4060023)
Basically, gloat while you can, Steagles. The Sixers hit their first tough stretch, and lose to the Heat, Spurs and Clips (and nearly the Lakers) all at home. I'm not impressed.
in fairness, they came back from being down double digits to beat the lakers, and they came back from being down double digits against the clippers to pull ahead of them in the final minute, prior to chris paul going into hero mode.

plus, they did hold the clippers (a team that currently has the league's highest O-rating) to a season low 78 points.


they only finished that hell weeks at 4-3, so that was a bit of a disappointment, but i'm still feeling pretty ####### good about the team's chances going into the playoffs. this team is just a hell of a lot of fun to follow, and even though they may have no chance to beat the heat 4 times out of 7, i'm gonna enjoy the ride until they get to that point.
   590. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: February 13, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4060035)
and even though they may have no chance to beat the heat 4 times out of 7, i'm gonna enjoy the ride until they get to that point

I think something's wrong with my eyes.
   591. oscar gamble's afro pick Posted: February 13, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4060038)
585--Nice.

And he didn't have the guts to add any hashtags, I see.

Sorry for responding, I know I shouldn't have...........
   592. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: February 13, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4060041)
HowardBeckNYT: Carmelo on concerns about him meshing in w/Lin. "All this stuff about me fitting in, it’s funny. I gotta tell you that. It’s funny to me.”


I don't know the context or tone here. So I can be free to interpret this in whatever way I'd like...

Lin was named EC Player of the Week.
   593. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: February 13, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4060047)
[592] FWIW, there were a couple reports over the weekend (one by SAS so...yeah) that Melo was actually one of the guys lobbying with D'antoni that Lin should see more PT.
   594. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: February 13, 2012 at 03:38 PM (#4060056)
Melo seems to be saying the right things:
"When I get back Jeremy will have the ball in his hands and I'm playing off of that," Anthony said on Monday.

"When I'm reading the stuff, it's more funny than anything because at the end of the day I know what I bring to the game, I know what I bring to this team," Anthony said on Monday after missing practice due to a strained right groin. "My teammates know that. But to say, 'How can I fit in?' It's easy; give him the ball and space out. I get back to doing what I know how to do best. So we'll see."
"I know there's questions about, 'Can I fit in?' and stuff like that, but this is like a dream come true to me," Anthony said. "It takes some pressure off of me. I don't have to play point guard. I don't have to try to get Amare 20 points, try to get this guy 20 points, me try to go out there and get 25-30 points a night, play defense, rebound do the whole thing."
"I don't think I want to take [ISOs] away, I don't think coach wants to take [ISOs] away," Anthony said. "But at the same time, I have to get away from the ball knowing that Jeremy is the guy with the basketball, and knowing that he can create for me, for Amare, for everybody else and make other guys better."
   595. madvillain Posted: February 13, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4060213)
OK MOSES!

"MRI on Rose's back found no structural damage". Forman said it's "a muscle thing" and Rose will continue to get treatment and rest and hopefully it clears up soon.

Well, guess what, it probably would have cleared by now if Rose wasn't stupidly rushed into action against the Nets and Bobcats. I get it, Rose has a champion's will to play and so does Thibs. I've argued it's part of the greatness of both player and coach. But it's also stupid. In the future I hope Thibs has learned his lesson. The buck stops with him. If he tells Rose "look, it's the Bobcats, go sit out and be healthy in May" Rose has to listen. And he should, for his own good and Chicago's good.


_____________

Melo's comments seems pretty standard for him, IMO. The whole "give me the ball and make space" thing is his MO. He's a great scorer, and playing him at as a point forward was beyond dumb. The really great players (IMO), and every great PG, have a sense of when to get theirs and when to get others involved. Rose, Paul and Lebron, Dirk and Wade are excellent this way. Billups during they Piston's heyday was great at it as well.

Melo? He's freaking horrible at it. Nothing wrong with that, only a handful of players at any given time are talented enough mentally and phsyically to "flip the switch" between deferring and taking over and knowing the time to try and do so.

The Knicks just had all sorts of guys trying to do stuff they aren't good at. Melo at point forward. Amare trying to create from 18 feet away. No, get Melo the ball on the wing, in the post, in transition and let him fire away. Get Amare in the Pick and Roll and Pick and Pop, run back screens for him on lobs, that sort of thing. Don't try and force these guys to be more than they are.

Hopefully though now that he has Lin he can go back to being strictly a scorer that doesn't have to know when to get his and when to try and get others involved.
   596. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: February 13, 2012 at 06:35 PM (#4060220)
Didn't Paxson beat up VDN because he played Noah more than he should have coming off an injury? IOW, doesn't he have some say in all of this? How has no one sought out his, or Gar's opinion, on this - and not just Rose, but the Deng wrist thing, too? It's clearly a flaw or limitation or whatever you want to call it of Thibs, but it shouldn't be up to the coach; maybe they have to take away that decision making from him like teams not letting Dusty run the pitching staff. I don't think they have to publicly acknowledge or admit to Rose strategically sitting out games, but it should have been happening. I'm going to be annoyed if he plays tomorrow against the Kings.

I guess it's good news that there's nothing structural, but I never assumed it was that bad. I'm still going to be worried about it re-occurring the rest of the season, just because of those irrational fandom worries.
   597. madvillain Posted: February 13, 2012 at 06:51 PM (#4060229)
Didn't Paxson beat up VDN because he played Noah more than he should have coming off an injury? IOW, doesn't he have some say in all of this? How has no one sought out his, or Gar's opinion, on this - and not just Rose, but the Deng wrist thing, too? It's clearly a flaw or limitation or whatever you want to call it of Thibs, but it shouldn't be up to the coach; maybe they have to take away that decision making from him like teams not letting Dusty run the pitching staff. I don't think they have to publicly acknowledge or admit to Rose strategically sitting out games, but it should have been happening. I'm going to be annoyed if he plays tomorrow against the Kings.


Alot of ######## in the Bulls' Internets about how horrible Chicago's medical staff is. Basically the argument is the failure to diagnose the stress fracture in Deng's back (In the 08-09 season I believe), the Curry heart problem, the Noah thing, and now Rose. These amateur doctors online seem to assume modern medicine is 100% fool proof, when it reality, diagnosing injuries is still really, really tough, especially the repetitive stress injuries seen in pro athletes.

The Deng thing, OK, team said he had a sprained back, said to try and play. Got worse, got an MRI, didn't show up. Deng went to his own doctor, got diagnosed. I'd be shocked if the team didn't encourage him to go or know about his visit to an outside doctor. A fresh set of eyes never hurts, Chicago's docs could be 100% competent, very good and just miss that diagnosis due to the complexity of it.

Again, with Noah, you had a tricky injur: plantar fasciitis. I've had it on and off for 4 or so years myself. Can be painful, but you can't injury it permanently by playing with it. Just a matter of pain tolerance. My understanding of the Noah situation is that the medical staff hadn't cleared him to play, or hadn't cleared him to play that many minutes, and VDN played him anyways. VDN was fighting (literally) for his job, so there was more going on. Paxson probably would argue he was being insubordinate, a capital offense. My guess is Thibs and Pax are on the exact same letter of the same word as the same page with everything, injuries included.

With Curry, whatever. He lied and said he wasn't taking ephedrine. Hard to make an accurate diagnosis when the patient won't tell you what drugs they are taking. They were probably over cautious, but they turned him into Noah in the end, so it worked out fine.

And finally, with Rose, Chicago's docs were vindicated today, even if Thibs and Rose weren't.
   598. Jimmy P Posted: February 13, 2012 at 07:15 PM (#4060245)
These amateur doctors online seem to assume modern medicine is 100% fool proof, when it reality, diagnosing injuries is still really, really tough, especially the repetitive stress injuries seen in pro athletes.

Diagnosing is hard. You have players lying to keep playing, imaging is far from fool proof, and usually you go most likely to least even though least may be the problem.

The bigger issue is treatment. If you have players that are routinely getting treated and either not progressing or re-injuring, then I think a change is needed. I don't see that with the Bulls. I see lots of different injuries with players rushing back to play too early. That's a team culture thing, and they need to end it.
   599. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: February 13, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4060293)
this 3rd quarter has not been fun.
   600. JuanGone..except1game Posted: February 13, 2012 at 09:25 PM (#4060313)
I think Kupchak has always had a problem giving too many years/too much money to role players (Blake, Walton, Fisher).I think he assumed as most people did that Shaw would take over and they would keep the Triangle, so you might cut him some slack there.

I think Kapono and Murphy were Jim Buss moves. McRoberts...probably both of them.


Completely agree, I can't believe that Jerry is allowing this to happen. Has a Jimmy as an owner ever worked out in pro sports (looks in NY's direction.) If anyone else in that family needs to run that team, it really needs to be Jennie.

I know that's early, but its obvious in this shortened season that the much smarter move would have been to hire Shaw. I'm not saying that Brown's offense is a complete disaster because of his philosophy, but there is no way he could even implement what he wanted in such a shortened season with a veteran team and no PG.
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