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He played ####### tennis. We could choose between tennis or nothing. I chose nothing, and forged signatures to play baseball. My brother did end up playing tennis, but my folks weren't exactly supportive.
Are you an ABC? I was simply implying someone will try and turn this into a political angle, like "if China had its way Jeremy's great grandfather would never have been allowed to come to the US" or something like that.
I lived in the middle of Brooklyn's chinatown on 8th avenue for a couple years. Interesting place, to say the least. I miss the pork buns and the markets and the dumpling shops.
anyways, back to basketball.
In other words, why is the denominator in TO% "shots attempted" rather than some other measure of "opportunities to turn the ball over?"
also, since we're discussing turnovers, i might as well point out that lou williams is having an astounding season. his assist% is 24.8, and his turnover% is 6.5. using play index, of the players who have a higher assist%, brandon jennings has the next lowest turnover% at 11.0.
if you don't like this construction of the statistic, what do you think would be a better way to gauge what we're looking at?
Turnovers per 40?
Synergy/film stuff is a better way of measuring this stuff, but I think metrics like TO% work fine most of the time, including here. (IMO)
Basketball doesn't have a nice little denominator like plate appearances or innings pitched or a nice discrete nature in general. Basketball usually uses possessions as the increment of measure.
What you are digging at is what Synergy Sports is working on, getting better measures than just possessions and digging into how each possession actually works. Perhaps in 5 years we'll track how long each player in the NBA physically is holding the ball and then break it down as "turnovers per minute on the ball".
That said, I find TO% a fine stat, especially when you couple it with the +- stats that show how much more efficient the Knicks offense is with Lin at the helm.
edit: coke to Der K.
I assumed that it did. Is there an easy way to just add this in?
You could look at AST% side by side with TO%. That would give you a pretty good idea on what's happening on the possessions that don't end with that player shooting or turning it over.
I think this type of work is especially promising for evaluating individual defense. We only have outcome-based stats (ie- defensive efficiency) for things like "making a good rotation," "helping the helper," or "picking the right time to gamble in a passing lane," even though these are the types of things that make someone a good defender. It is going to be hard to eliminate the subjectivity from the evaluation, but I can live with that since basketball is more art than science in a lot of ways.
I've heard good things but never gone. When do the Bulls play the Wolves? That might be a fun one.
I think you guys should come down south to the city that actually has a team.
I am planning a weekend trip the first weekend of March to see the Wolves and Blazers.
Nice. I may be able to meet up if you're interested.
That's funny. My mom is Korean, but we pulled for Chang too and she pushed me into tennis.
She draws the line for Japanese-Americans though.
Are there any Portlanders here besides you and me, Jimmy? I'd love to have some kind of meetup, be it the first weekend of March or otherwise.
She's that bad, huh?
Whoop, whoop, whoop!
it's gonna take a hell of a run in the 2nd half to pull a win out of this.
In general Lin is doing a great job balancing control and attack tonight, Knicks are winning easily and Lin is pushing the right buttons.
We may need to employ Dave Chappelle's racial draft.
Yea I get it, but I don't get it. I also don't think Tyreke Evans is "a good guy". He was in a car during a fatal drive by shooting. Hard to see what a good guy was doing in that situation.
Maybe by "handles himself well" the guy means "for ####'s sake Tyreke, don't clothesline the guy and embarrass our race".
I'm a good guy. I can see how that could have happened to me as a kid (it didn't, but other stuff did).
The article was quite a bit better than I expected, even if I don't share a lot of the author's feelings (or ethnicity) - particularly wrt the quoted bit. I don't see why our failing to appreciate the Ronald Murrays and Tarence Kinseys of the world should cause me to root against Lin.
Clyde, who is a good analyst, pointed out that Cousins kept "attacking" the basket like he was a wing. Lots of up and unders and unnecessarily flowery moves. You're the biggest guy on the court. Just go up strong.
Yea, Clyde's annoying with his dumb couplets, but as far as analysts go, he's pretty good. He is observant and isn't afraid to rip the Knicks, despite working for MSG.
"When I was growing up, all I had was Michael Chang."
I covered his whole career in NY/NJ, pretty much.
Exceptionally polite, cooperative person, uncommon among very young professional athletes in any sport.
Classy.
Did we get a lot of insight, and sense of his emotions off a hard-fought win or brutal loss?
No.
That crazy French Open win - he may not admit it, but that has to be his proudest moment.
Only tennis player who, sitting courtside, I ever saw literally outrun the ball on a hardcourt. Amazing.
On TO%: I believe Hollinger does include turnovers in the denominator. The reason I don't, as was pointed out during the discussion, is so that 2A% + 3A% + FTA% + TO% add to one for each player and each team. That's useful for a lot of purposes. But you're correct that it is not particularly telling in comparing Lin to shoot-first point guards.
Except he spend all his time and energy with the swishing and dishing that he rarely makes the good comments and analysis.
Had no idea you were black. I think this thread must have the greatest diversity on BTF. Well, Steagles is a breed onto his own at least.
It is sorta surreal to think in 2012 race relations have come as far as we are debating the cultural impact of a Taiwanese American in a sport dominated by African Americans. We got a long way to go, but a long way has been traveled.
The joke a few years ago was the best golfer in the world was a black guy and the best rapper was a white guy.
Now we're going to get "the best non-black basketball player is an Asian guy".
2. [746] Fields, who I was really down on to start the year, has just been terrific lately. I feel the same way about him now that I did Gallo before the trade. Some of the numbers in terms of PER or other super stats may not look that different, but the shape of the performance gives me much greater confidence about his ability to stick in the league. Despite getting called for the travel on the first play of the game last night, he's finally starting to get the hang of the hop step, which is allowing him to take advantage of his athleticism in order to get to the rim. This is great because, despite making clear improvements he still isn't much of a ball-handler, especially in traffic. He's also improved leaps and bounds on the PnR just by being more aggressive and making quicker decisions rather than waiting that extra split second and floating a bad pass.
3. [744] They were 10th before Jeffries started getting minutes so his presence (And the schedule) has helped some but this is still a much improved defensive unit with much of that credit going to Chandler and Shump.
At some point around then, Nash was also a two-time MVP.
EDIT: Shumpert, Derrick Williams, Paul George and Chase Budinger will compete. 1 round format with fan vote deciding the winner.
No Rookie-Soph game for Lin but will take part in the Shooting Stars Challenge (I have no idea what this is).
Source: http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7581045/report-jeremy-lin-new-york-knicks-added-all-star-weekend-lineup
I didn't even know you were in Portland, I thought I was the only one. I know Kevin Pelton comes down here a good amount to go to games.
Whether I join a Portland meetup depends heavily on whether my girlfriend makes the trip with me.
I drag mine with me whenever I meet someone from here. She thought it was odd at first to meet random people from the internet, but she's good with it now.
That's the thing with the old guy, the WNBA player, and the NBA player. The one where they make routine shots and then half-heartedly chuck half courters.
Ok, the 3 point lineup is a little odd. I guess I see the tv draw of Kevin Love, but Joe Johnson and Chalmers? Do they really deserve to be there?
See, this is a totally different sounding player than the guy who played against the Bulls the night before.
Apparently Shump has been picked for the Dunk Contest. Nate Robinson's missed dunk record is in serious jeopardy.
Yep, I thought of you when I heard that. And when I saw this linked:
I have been glad that the Linsanity has taken some of the pressure and expectations off of Rubio (who continues to do his thing, but with healthier backcourt mates). Putting him ahead of Love is going too far. Are you Linsane!
I miss the days of Vijay Singh and Snow.
Are we keeping the Birdman in a separate category? I'm fine with that because he is probably the only dunk contest entrant to participate high on meth.
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Anyone see the reports that the Wolves are trying to trade Williams+ for Gasol? I don't think that trade makes much sense for either team. The Lakers need depth, not prospects, and the Wolves need an athletic big man and a wing who can create his own shot. Gasol would probably help get them over the hump to the 7th or 8th seed, but he'd kind of lock them in there unless Rubio turns into Steve Nash. If they're swinging for the fences, I'd rather go after Eric Gordon based on this team's needs.
Don't you want a guy that actually plays?
On a less sarcastic note, I'm not sure Eric Gordon is swinging for the fences. He's only showed that he's top flight for a two (three?) month stretch in a three year career. I'm just still not seeing the hype.
I agree with this. You also have to consider whether he may be ready for the "injury prone" label.
EDIT: Guess the rest of Jimmy P's post says as much.
I had a small discussion on Twitter with Mr. Pelton about this. I am a believer in injury prone, and if we're going to criticize Oden, Bynum, and others, then Gordon's in there. Only made 70+ games once, slow healing, and even his one year of college had injury issues.
I know there's no proof that guys can be injury prone or that injuries to different parts of the body aren't linked etc. But, if you do throw the label around, Eric Gordon fits it.
Fair point. He has been hurt a lot, and I have not taken that into consideration as I probably should. In the 56 games he played last year, he was an elite 2, which is a scarce commodity today. He would help a lot with the way the team is built, but maybe he doesn't have the ability to stay healthy. I guess the more reasonable goal would be to get OJ Mayo anyway. He will never be a star, but I think he would fit the system well, and his defense would help a ton.
I didn't know Chalmers was that good of a shooter.
My omnipresent netflix ad is some mousy girl with an envelope. I never realized how much I would miss Christina Hendrix until she was gone.
KC is pretty much their mouthpiece, so he's not going to say Rose won't play until the team does. But I'd be shocked if he played tonight.
WTF is up with the C's by the way? Lose to Tor, beat the Bulls then lose at home to Detroit. I have no idea what to expect out of them tonight, back end of a traveling b2b.
What's up is that they're freaking old, and it's finally starting to show. What's happening to them now is what happened to them late last season, only much earlier this year.
I don't know, there's a lot of loose cannons on this list. (Looking in Ricky Davis's direction)
EDIT: Apparently JR Smith is close to signing with the Knicks.
I expected as much, before the Lin stuff.
Yeah, I don't make a ton of noise about it, and the Celtics fandom is likely a bit of a smokescreen.
Doc Rivers had a quote last night (I think) about how the team had proven that they could beat any team on a given night, and they could lose to any team on a given night. Joey B is right that it's age, and that the team is too thin behind the big 4 to absorb off nights from more than one of them. Yesterday Rondo went off, but KG was out and Pierce and Ray were barely even there. When they have everyone in good form the team is still formidable, but that doesn't happen more than 20-40% of the time.
Didn't watch the 2008 NCAA Finals?
I'm pretty sure that game technically never happened.
What's the best high school basketball team in Charlotte?
Last I heard, KC said maybe another week. He just rejoined the team after his grandmother's death, so they didn't have a real injury update on him yet.
I don't know, but the Bobcats starters look even worse now that DJ Augustin is back "running" the offense instead of Kemba Walker.
The Sixers could use someone like Tyrus Thomas though.
Yep. And even with that, I wouldn't make the C's overwhelming favorites or anything.
Jeremy isn't playing tonight. The Lakers are off. What am I to do!
i'd be really careful about any personnel changes if i were the sixers. with how well the team has played to this point, it just seems like there's more harm than good that can come from most potential deals.
Not that Tyrus Thomas is the jumping-jack he once was, despite his continued skinniness.
Has anyone looked at this? Not for the Kobester, but for double-teams in general? kpelton?
Can't say I recall that specifically. I do remember Hollinger studying Iverson's missed shots at some point to see if they were rebounded more frequently because of a similar effect. I don't think they were but I thought that was in the first Prospectus edition and apparently it's not.
i know i've been kind of critical of them of late, so i'd just like to acknowledge that, by beating boston tonight, chicago has won their first game against an above .500 opponent since they last beat boston 19 games ago. tonights win breaks a streak of chicago having lost 5 consecutive games against teams that have been above .500, so i'm here to give them credit for finally beating a team that is now 15-14.
Keep trying to convince us the Sixers are better. The Bulls DRtg is now less than a point behind Philly - the dominant 3.5 point lead is shrinking by the day. Bulls now have the largest point diff as well, over a point higher than Miami and Philly. The Bulls, in spite of some of the ugliest offense you'll ever see the past week against Boston, are within a point of Miami's top ranked offense. And this is without their best offense player for a third of their games. The Bulls played their 12th home game last night, they'd have to go 2-4 to catch Philly's home record. They still have only played 5 games with their projected starting 5 this season. You keep harping on this .500 thing, because it's the only thing you've got. While the Bulls' 8-6 record against .500 isn't setting the world on fire, it's still better than Philly's 6-9 (and I'll only mention again parenthetically of those 6 wins, the other team was missing a top 2 player in 4 of them and only 1 was on the road). If it keeps you distracted from the fact that Philly is only 1 game over .500 this month, knock yourself out.
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I'm interested to see the Knicks' new lineup when Melo comes back. Lots of interesting pieces there, so it'll be interesting to see how they all fit.
Chi/Bos, Mia/NYK, Phi/Ind, Atl/Orl
OKC/Den, SA/Mem, LAC/Hou, Dal/LAL
C Chandler
PF STAT
SF Melo
SG Fields
PG Lin
6-JR Smith
7-Shump
8-Novak
9-Bibby
10-Jeffries
Is there any place that tracks the value (or tries to) of different types of shots? I know individual shooting percentages are broken down by distance from the rim, but I've always thought that driving layups from perimeter players were more valuable than any other type of shot because that type of shot has the best possibility of being rebounded and converted by a teammate. A low field goal percentage on those shots would mask the actual value of them to the team.
Of course "driving layup" is going to be subjective and there would be some other issues, but is no one tracking that kind of thing at this point?
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