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OT: NBA Monthly Thread, June 2012

I estimate that only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, but with our own thread, we won’t detract from what the site is really about: overwrought, acrimonious discussions about having where to put the site’s overwrought, acrimonious discussions.

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   101. robinred Posted: June 02, 2012 at 11:27 PM (#4146631)
   102. PJ Martinez Posted: June 02, 2012 at 11:30 PM (#4146633)
@ESPNSteinLine RT @coopmavs: Home court again prevails. OKC 7-0 in playoffs. SA is 6-0. MIA is 7-1. BOS is 7-1
   103. Spivey Posted: June 02, 2012 at 11:31 PM (#4146634)
Big guy? Do you mean big as in I'm strong? In which case thank you. Or big as in I'm fat? In which case, I'm not really, but I am trying to lose a couple of pounds. I appreciate your concern though. Is there a reason why you're so hyper defensive in these threads, robinred?

Either way, did you edit that? I didn't purposely do that, so I don't know if I just got a hankering to respond half way in or if you edited that in late.

Edit: Now that you edited out post 101, I'm just going to assume you're a royal jackass and call it a night in the thread.
   104. robinred Posted: June 02, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4146638)
Edit: Now that you edited out post 101, I'm just going to assume you're a royal jackass and call it a night in the thread


Edited it out because I thought it might seem a little snarky, although it really wasn't meant that way to any great degree, as I thought that your post was a little bit that way. No need for namecalling in any case, however.
   105. baudib Posted: June 02, 2012 at 11:51 PM (#4146648)
That was the lamest feud in Internet history.
   106. robinred Posted: June 02, 2012 at 11:55 PM (#4146651)
That was the lamest feud in Internet history.


Actually, the current Lounge Lizards vs. Political Threaders feud is far more lame, as I well know, having posted in it a few times.

I can be defensive at times. As such, I posted something mildly snarky, it was unnecessary, so I thought better of it and took it down.
   107. The District Attorney Posted: June 03, 2012 at 10:10 AM (#4146737)
I haven't been to the Basketball Hall of Fame... on your "plaque" (if there is one), is there an equivalent of a "cap", which I suppose would have to be a jersey?

If so, what jersey is Garnett, Wolves or Celts?
   108. baudib Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4146763)
Wade Boggs went into Cooperstown as a (Devil) Ray, right? I'd guess that Garnett would choose to be a Celtic.

There was mention of Iceman during Durant's fourth quarter streak, and that was actually who I was thinking of as well. You just expect every shot to go in.

I picked the Spurs but I'd love to see the Thunder win this thing.
   109. PJ Martinez Posted: June 03, 2012 at 01:05 PM (#4146801)
Interesting (it not surprising) point about Boston's approach to the Heat in this series:

Without Bosh, the Celtics are gambling that letting LeBron James (who is averaging 33.3 points on 53 percent shooting in the series) go and focusing on Wade is a winning formula. It almost worked in Game 2, when Wade was held to 15 points in regulation before carrying the Heat offensively in overtime, and did work in Game 3, when he had just 18 points.

Obviously, James's numbers are impressive no matter what Boston's strategy is, and he's had an incredible run coming into this series, too. But when considering his and Wade's production so far, it's worth keeping in mind that Boston seems to have ceded a certain amount of ground to LeBron.
   110. andrewberg Posted: June 03, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4147078)
Is that really a negative? Lebron is torching an above average defender who is experienced and suited to guard him, and the team rotates well even if not doubling him.
   111. tshipman Posted: June 03, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4147087)
I think that part of it is that in order to double on LeBron effectively, you have to do so with a big--LeBron is too tall to bring the double from Rondo. The Celtics probably don't want to pull their bigs away from the basket.

I dunno how effective the strategy really is.
   112. tshipman Posted: June 03, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4147112)
As always, any strategy works great when you hit a ton of 3pers.
   113. JJ1986 Posted: June 03, 2012 at 09:28 PM (#4147114)
That's the second three-pointer this series where a Celtic has been a foot over the line. That shouldn't be hard to get right.
   114. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 09:32 PM (#4147118)
As always, any strategy works great when you hit a ton of 3pers.

3PT% is the great variable of the playoffs. You don't know when it's going to strike, you can't really count on it one way or the other, but if one team gets hot from 3 it can swing a series.
   115. PJ Martinez Posted: June 03, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4147129)
Rondo asked at the half by Doris Burke what it is in the Miami defense that Boston's exploiting. His answer (paraphrasing here): "They're whining, complaining to the refs in transition."
   116. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 03, 2012 at 09:55 PM (#4147133)
Without Bosh, the Celtics are gambling that letting LeBron James (who is averaging 33.3 points on 53 percent shooting in the series) go and focusing on Wade is a winning formula. It almost worked in Game 2, when Wade was held to 15 points in regulation before carrying the Heat offensively in overtime, and did work in Game 3, when he had just 18 points.

1st half tonight: Lebron 9-13 shooting, Wade 2-11. Celtics by 14 - and they'd be up 8 even if they were only shooting 31% on threes (5-16 instead of 7-16). Obviously it's not that simple, but it's interesting nonetheless.
   117. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2012 at 09:57 PM (#4147135)
Fat Lever? Way to go, Magic!
   118. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 03, 2012 at 09:58 PM (#4147138)
Fat Lever? Way to go, Magic!

I'll second that.
   119. Spivey Posted: June 03, 2012 at 10:08 PM (#4147151)
LeBron James is the best player I've ever seen play. Is Dwayne Wade man enough to help James out?
   120. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2012 at 10:15 PM (#4147160)
Rondo is just playing incredible PG.
   121. PJ Martinez Posted: June 03, 2012 at 10:16 PM (#4147161)
LeBron James is the best player I've ever seen play. Is Dwayne Wade man enough to help James out?

See, this is exactly why I brought up that quote in #109. Yes, LeBron James is the best player in the league right now, and certainly one of the best I've ever seen. But he's facing fewer double teams than Wade. I can't stand Wade, but I don't think it's a matter of his manhood. Boston appears to have decided they won't go all out to contain LeBron, but instead will focus on Wade, and it seems to be working.
   122. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 10:21 PM (#4147163)
Boston appears to have decided they won't go all out to contain LeBron, but instead will focus on Wade, and it seems to be working.

LeBron is a lot harder to double for various reasons. If you do double him he's still going to get his but then Wade's going to go insane. Whereas LeBron's not going to put up 35 shots, even if he probably should.
   123. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 10:24 PM (#4147167)
Whereas Hack-A-LeBron is starting to look like a viable alternative. He's got a bad case of the yips right now.
   124. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: June 03, 2012 at 10:26 PM (#4147169)
Garnett out and no help in the middle.
   125. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: June 03, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4147171)
F, Rondo, quit this post up crap.
   126. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 03, 2012 at 10:51 PM (#4147185)
Tie game. My Celtic-rooting brother may need to be put on suicide watch.
   127. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2012 at 10:52 PM (#4147188)
Miami's D has been a clinic. Boston can't get anything. Boston's energy is completely gone.
   128. GregD Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:04 PM (#4147194)
Averaging like 2.5 seconds between whistles this last stretch.
   129. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4147195)
Two straight blown foul calls on LBJ. The offensive foul call I could understand even though on replay it was wrong, but that double foul call was just brutal.
   130. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4147196)
Pierce is just killing Boston on O. That pass to Ray Allen was a sellout. Pierce has got to shoot.
   131. tshipman Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:07 PM (#4147198)
3PT% is the great variable of the playoffs. You don't know when it's going to strike, you can't really count on it one way or the other, but if one team gets hot from 3 it can swing a series.


Not that I'm bitter about the Mavs/Lakers series last year. But yeah. Boston down to 9/24 after starting out 6/9.

Miami all the way back after the big deficit. They really have been turning it on in the 3rd quarter.
   132. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4147199)
Of all the things that could be called a travel in this series, they called THAT?
   133. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:11 PM (#4147201)
That charge Battier took was insane. I can't believe he actually got into position in time.
   134. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:12 PM (#4147202)
That charge Battier took was insane. I can't believe he actually got into position in time.

Me neither. I was certain that was a bad call until I saw the replay, but he got there, barely.
   135. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:13 PM (#4147203)
Of all the things that could be called a travel in this series, they called THAT?


As JVG said, not a travel in today's NBA. But KG looked like he traveled, and threw the ref off. I'm actually stunned by how much "stationary" travelling there is in today's NBA. I mean when guys are looking to make a move and move both pivot feet or walk back to get behind the 3 pt line. It nauseates me.
   136. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:14 PM (#4147205)
I can't believe Pietrus just gave a bad foul. What were the odds?
   137. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:14 PM (#4147206)
That charge Battier took was insane. I can't believe he actually got into position in time.

Me too. I was certain that was a bad call until I saw the replay.


Agree, but I hate that play. It's not a bball play. I'd love to see them extend the block line out further. I hate these charges which penalize players for driving to the basket. Make a play on the ball, dammit!

(I'm doing "grumpy old NBA fan". Apologies!)
   138. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:16 PM (#4147207)
I called that charge shortly after he crossed half court ... seen too much Battier over the years, I guess
   139. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4147208)
Get a damn offensive rebound
   140. tshipman Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4147210)
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if they got rid of the charge and goaltend.
   141. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:18 PM (#4147213)
I called that charge shortly after he crossed half court ... seen too much Battier over the years, I guess


Rondo gave up the ball too soon. That charge wasn't on Pierce, but Rondo. He's got to take the ball another step.
   142. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4147214)
Stern wants to switch to fiba goaltend rules...
Why didn't haslem go up w the orb?
Nice layup, rio

141 - yeah, I'd edited my other post accordingly
   143. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4147215)
What's amazing to me is how Miami's right there with literally nothing coming from the post. The last few possessions, Boston had moments where NOBODY with a foot in the painted area because they don't have to have anyone in there. If they could actually make free throws, that'd go a long way towards winning a ballgame.
   144. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:20 PM (#4147216)
That bomb from the arc goes a long way towards winning ballgames, though.
   145. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:20 PM (#4147217)
Agree, but I hate that play. It's not a bball play. I'd love to see them extend the block line out further. I hate these charges which penalize players for driving to the basket. Make a play on the ball, dammit!
they have changed the call on this over the years - defender used to have to get set position, now it seems like "set" means a millisecond.
Tied.
   146. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:20 PM (#4147218)
And that was the most obvious offensive foul of the series, KG.
   147. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:20 PM (#4147219)
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if they got rid of the charge and goaltend.

I think they both belong (clearly). The problem is they both (more so the charge) have become gimmick plays that only happen under certain circumstances.
   148. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4147220)
Those were bad plays by Boston.
   149. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4147221)
Now that's a hero shot.
   150. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:22 PM (#4147223)
And that was the most obvious offensive foul of the series, KG.

No, it wasn't. You hate the Celtics. It wasn't necessarily a bad call, but come on.
   151. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:23 PM (#4147226)
It was a pretty clear offensive foul
   152. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:23 PM (#4147228)
WOW, what a horrible last possession. 35 feet out with six seconds left, what kind of a shot did you think you were going to get??
   153. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:23 PM (#4147229)
That was a time for hero ball
   154. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:23 PM (#4147230)
And, typically, Miami biffs the last possession.
   155. hokieneer Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:24 PM (#4147231)
That was a college level last possession.
   156. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:24 PM (#4147233)
Wish thiS didn't coincide w the cws and MLB draft ... Too much sports!
   157. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:25 PM (#4147234)
The call against Pierce, whether you like it or not, when Battier took the charge, was more obvious, for example.
   158. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:25 PM (#4147236)
I'm a little punchy right now, in case you hadn't noticed.
   159. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:25 PM (#4147237)
Completely agree with Der K and LA: that was an obvious foul on KG. I would've been pissed if they hadn't called that. He prevented LBJ from blocking Rondo's shot into the stands.
   160. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:26 PM (#4147238)
No, it wasn't. You hate the Celtics. It wasn't necessarily a bad call, but come on.
I hate both teams. I haven't exactly held back on the Heat here. Don't get mad at me for calling out a very obvious foul.
   161. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:27 PM (#4147239)
Battier is like a fish out there.
   162. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:27 PM (#4147240)
35 feet out with six seconds left, what kind of a shot did you think you were going to get??

It's a weird thing b/c the NBA is considered the premier coach's league where guys can literally draw up plays on the spot and try to maneuver their team into a good shot, particularly in a one-and-done situation. And yet the "strategy" of so many coaches in those situations is just hold the ball up high until the very last minute, then someone hurtles to the basket with almost no time left and tries to kick it to someone, anyone who might be open.

EDIT: I mean, if that's such a good strategy, why not do it on every possession?
   163. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:27 PM (#4147241)
I haven't seen this many non-charge offensive fouls in forever.
   164. Spivey Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:28 PM (#4147243)
#### you Pierce, you fat waffle. Miami's last second play was awful.
   165. Spivey Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:30 PM (#4147245)
Marquis Daniels is a clown. And he wasn't fouled on that shitty lay up.
   166. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:30 PM (#4147246)
Completely agree with Der K and LA: that was an obvious foul on KG. I would've been pissed if they hadn't called that. He prevented LBJ from blocking Rondo's shot into the stands.
Exactly. He wasn't fighting for position, he was throwing himself in front of Lebron so James couldn't make a play on the ball. It was the most obvious moving screen possible, but what made it so precious was the predictable "What did I do???" scream that came after.
   167. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:31 PM (#4147247)
I was hoping for that
   168. Spivey Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:31 PM (#4147249)
That's garbage. Period.
   169. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:31 PM (#4147250)
I haven't seen this many non-charge offensive fouls in forever.
And there goes Lebron.
   170. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:32 PM (#4147251)
3-pointer aside, not a good 4th and OT for LBJ.
   171. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:33 PM (#4147252)
See, says Lebron, this is why I don't post up!
   172. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:33 PM (#4147253)


LBJ got the foul as a partial makeup for Pierce getting #6????

Marquis Daniels is a clown. And he wasn't fouled on that shitty lay up.


I want him out of there. He is useless.
   173. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:35 PM (#4147254)
Between Pietrus and KG, Boston so outclasses Miami in the paint it's embarrassing.
   174. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:36 PM (#4147255)
JVG is so damned right: Rondo sucks when he holds the ball and takes so long to initiate the offense. He's got to attack earlier.
   175. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:37 PM (#4147256)
Sweet criminy what an ugly OT.
   176. Spivey Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4147258)
The refs will be jerking off to this game for a long time.
   177. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4147259)
I figure Boston likes to hold the ball because it's old guys get tired, but agree, they should have gone quicker the last few times.

Wade will have the ball, Celtics have to make someone else shoot.
   178. JJ1986 Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4147260)
Why not put Pietrus on Wade here?
   179. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:41 PM (#4147261)
The refs will be jerking off to this game for a long time.

27 fouls for Miami, 30 for Boston. Woo hoo!
   180. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:42 PM (#4147262)
Terrible D by Daniels. Got away with it.
   181. hokieneer Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:42 PM (#4147263)
Another bad possession for Miami, better than the one to end the 4th.
   182. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:43 PM (#4147264)
The Celtics scored 32 points in the last 29 minutes of that game.
   183. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:43 PM (#4147265)
What a horrific loss for Miami. They come back from, what, 18 down? And then they piss it all away. HUGE ups to KG -- this game was completely gone, but he ripped it from Miami, totally dominated the paint the last few minutes. The Heat don't have an inside player that's half as good as he is.
   184. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:43 PM (#4147266)
Another bad possession for Miami, better than the one to end the 4th.

One starts to wonder if Spoelstra is in fact just not a good coach. At least on the offensive end.
   185. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:44 PM (#4147267)
Wade was a little late, and maybe off balance.

Waiting that long, until it was win or lose, seemed inadvisable.
   186. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:45 PM (#4147270)
Primer RT:

@SebastianPruiti: CHALMERS WAS WIDE OPEN!!!!
   187. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:46 PM (#4147271)
I'm a big LBJ fan, but 7 turnovers, 4-8 from the line, I'm not sure he drove to the basket in the half court set a single time in the 4th or OT, settled for jumpers the entire second half ... this is not a good one for him.
   188. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:47 PM (#4147272)
One starts to wonder if Spoelstra is in fact just not a good coach. At least on the offensive end.


When you have only one of your Big Three in the game, you're limited, unless you want Battier or someone similar taking the last shot.

Edit: Oh, Fk yeah, where was Mike Miller?
   189. Spivey Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:47 PM (#4147273)
The refs will be jerking off to this game for a long time.

27 fouls for Miami, 30 for Boston. Woo hoo!


Can you elaborate? Do you think the fouls should be even between these two teams? Or do you think I wasn't referencing the fact that the refs weren't just trying to put their stamp on the game no matter what?
   190. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:49 PM (#4147276)
Or do you think I wasn't referencing the fact that the refs weren't just trying to put their stamp on the game no matter what?

I'm with you. Them's a lot of fouls.
   191. Spivey Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:50 PM (#4147278)
What a horrific loss for Miami. They come back from, what, 18 down? And then they piss it all away. HUGE ups to KG -- this game was completely gone, but he ripped it from Miami, totally dominated the paint the last few minutes. The Heat don't have an inside player that's half as good as he is.


Well, when the other team has their best big hurt, and is built around the perimeter game, this will happen.
   192. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:52 PM (#4147282)
unless you want Battier or someone similar taking the last shot.


Chalmers is the man you want taking that shot. He's a better shooter from deep and he was wide open. Folks on twitter saying the play was run for him too, but there's no post-game on ESPN3, so I can't double-check. I got caught ball-watching, as did Wade.
   193. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:54 PM (#4147284)
Chalmers is the man you want taking that shot. He's a better shooter from deep and he was wide open.

He's also hit a big shot or two in his day.
   194. Squash Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:54 PM (#4147285)
When you have only one of your Big Three in the game, you're limited, unless you want Battier or someone similar taking the last shot.

Well for the end of the 4th he had two and all they needed was a bucket or even a point if someone can somehow get to the line (not that that would happen). In OT Wade's the big star on the court obviously, but he's also not a very good 3-pt shooter. More to the point he's got two of the best offensive players in the league on the court at any given time but Miami is consistently helpless in set plays. Inevitably it's James or Wade holds the ball up high until the last moment then careens toward the basket. That's great and all but with those two guys it seems like you should be able to draw something up where one of them gets a decent shot.
   195. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:56 PM (#4147287)
I agree that they should've gotten into their O earlier, but I want Wade with the ball, and though he was off-balance, that shot was dead on. Shots go in, sometimes they miss. That was a good look. Way too good. Daniels gave Wade exactly what I'm sure Doc told him not to give. You let him get past if you have to, you don't give up the open 3.
   196. tshipman Posted: June 03, 2012 at 11:59 PM (#4147292)
When you have only one of your Big Three in the game, you're limited, unless you want Battier or someone similar taking the last shot.


He's Dwayne Wade! You shouldn't be limited. Wade is really, really good!


One starts to wonder if Spoelstra is in fact just not a good coach. At least on the offensive end.


I asked my Miami friend if he thought Spoelstra might get fired. He said midseason if anything. I wonder, though.
   197. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 04, 2012 at 12:02 AM (#4147296)
Well, when the other team has their best big hurt, and is built around the perimeter game, this will happen.
That's a roster construction issue — if only one guy taller than Lebron is worth a damn, that's a problem. It does speak to how great Lebron is that they should be winning these games.
   198. Fourth True Outcome Posted: June 04, 2012 at 12:02 AM (#4147297)
I got caught ball-watching, as did Wade.


I haven't seen a replay either, but that's being rather polite to Wade, I'm pretty sure. He blew off a play for a good 3-pt shooter to take a shot twitter tells me he makes 27% of the time.
   199. Squash Posted: June 04, 2012 at 12:03 AM (#4147298)
I asked my Miami friend if he thought Spoelstra might get fired. He said midseason if anything. I wonder, though.

If they lose this series I think we can safely say he's gone. If he loses in the Finals again he's probably gone as well. It sucks, but that's the rules of the game. You can't come that close twice and miss.
   200. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: June 04, 2012 at 12:14 AM (#4147305)
Hollinger's twitter feed (incl. lots of retweets) ripping wade and not unjustly. That's not a shot he's good at and he didn't pursue anything else.
Spo also deserves blame for not having better end game play calling on offense / not getting shooters like jones (reg)/ miller out there for spacing.
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