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Iowa State self-destructing.
like watching a ####### soccer game.
Unlike Kareem, Garnett also has 1,500 steals. Unlike Malone, Garnett also has 1,500 blocks.
(Source.)
Except Kareem has 38K points, 17K rebounds and 2.9K blocks (setting aside the steals issue). I am not a fan of "clubs" where the new guy has the lowest numbers of any of the other guys.
Kareem is twice the player Garnett ever was.
/10 year old me
(side note: I used to measure how tall I was from this life size poster of Kareem. I don't know if I ever got to his waist before my parents split up and I lost the poster.)
This seems like an issue with counting as much as with counting stats.
Dude's been trying to hard for awhile IMO. Even the most brilliant observers usually lose touch, and Klosterman isn't that brilliant. But, as Simmons knows, there is a huge audience for middle-brow essays. Gladwell knows this well too.
In order:
1. No.
2. Bynum.
3. That's because you are.
The knock on Bynum is that he can't stay healthy, not that he can't play when he's healthy. Bynum has played like the second best center in the league--and is closer to #1 than #3. You have to go off into Dave Berri la-la land to think that Chandler is equivalent or better.
Chandler is better defensively due to his mobility, but Bynum is much more of an offensive threat. The Knicks DRTG has jumped from 22 to 8 and I don't think that is due to Lin, Anthony and Stoudemire. Bynum also has a stronger narrative this year; Chandler has sort of gotten lost.
I would take Bynum, but it would depend on what your team needs and it's not a "crazy pills" thing. Chandler does a lot of stuff that casual fans don't really see because his strengths are playing off the ball and playing help defense.
Add: I don't read Berri, but I would guess he has Chandler as one of the best players in the NBA right now since he has a .723 TS.
Or: on defense, Chandler > Bynum; on offense, Chandler <<< Bynum.
Bynum is the total package. As long as he can stay healthy he's developed into a great player. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed on that one since the next season he plays 2000 minutes will be his first.
I am not that surprised Bynum has a higher block rate, Chandler doesn't really seem to go for a lot of blocks. He's just really great at contesting shots by simply using his size. I'm extremely impressed with Chandler, but in the end, I'd still have to take Bynum, who plays a much larger role in the offense, and isn't all that far behind Tyson defensively.
Knicks are a fun watch right now. JR Smith's new nickname:
Vintage Pedro Face.
ha! That's a great call. I think he's that mixed with a little of Kobe.
Thanks to everyone for chiming in about Chandler-Bynum.
Check it out.
Derrick Rose is starting to get into D. Wade injury territory, and I'm not liking it. Maybe it's just the condensed season, maybe it's just bad luck. But only 23 and already a malaise of back, knee, groin and ankle problems. Sounds pretty much like Wade -- alot of "minor" injuries that add up.
Not a guy that's going to miss the whole season, but one that could, in any given year, miss 30 or so games. Rose is almost certainly out for MOnday. I bet he doesn't play until next Saturday, at the earliest.
I'm not even sure how he hurt his groin. One report said it was outside of basketball, the other I read said it was when Jeremy Lin blocked his shot. Of course after that block Rose went on to play well the rest of the game and throw down his nastiest dunk of the season, so wtf.
Luol Deng is trying to play through is wrist injury, and not playing well while still missing every other game. I really wish he would have just had the surgery 2 months ago. He would have been in line for a late april return, then he could get his legs under him for two weeks before Miami.
Where in the world is Derek Fisher?
Indeed. Fisher may be forced into retirement. I have read that Jordan Hill won't be allowed to play until Fisher's status is resolved, although I am not sure that is true.
Doesn't seem too surprising. It seems the emphasis has moved from size to athleticism throughout the game. Just think of the positional definitions-used to be G,G,F,F,C. Now it's by numbers.
2011 8th/8th
2012 4th/21st
Dallas gave up 105 points per 100 possessions last year; this year they are at 100. Obviously there are many things going on there. Wright and Haywood both have very good DRTGs, and they the guys who more or less got Chandler's minutes in Dallas (36 a game between them).
Wright, for instance, has a spotty reputation.
Also - and I've never thought about this before - how wary should I be of WS in the playoffs? Opp quality differs significantly.
Modern players lie less egregiously about their height than players from the 80's.
Perhaps, but Dallas' team DRTG is better, and Haywood and Wright have taken Chandler's minutes.
Either that or it is entirely the Mahinmi factor.
I think this is real. The NBA has been moving away from post play for the last 20 years. In addition, there are more small guards (due to handcheckign rules) than ever before. 6-3 to 6-5 PGs used to be relatively common, they are now nearly extinct.
Seems plausible, but is there evidence?
Just going from memory, doesn't really seem like the league has gotten any taller since I became a fan in the '80s.
Which makes sense, because both of them throw themselves around the court on both ends with reckless abandon. Maybe someone from the Bulls should point to the Wade example, and convince Rose to rein it in a little? Probably hard for someone that competitive to hold back, and maybe it would hurt his game a tad, but it's in both his interest and theirs, obviously, for him to do whatever he can to stay healthy.
Yeah, but he shoots like he can't even play in Europe.
Or, maybe it's the fact that his main source of calories is from candy, thus his body doesn't heal as quickly or properly as it should.
I've never looked at that before. In any case, the quality of opposition will be greater. But some teams (let's day you were consistently on the #8 seed playing against the early 80's 76ers, mid 80's Celtics, late 80's Pistons, and early 90's Bulls) then you would have ridiculously tough competition.
Any player who overperforms their regular season numbers in the playoffs deserves credit. Some players who underperform in the playoffs though might have a valid excuse if they are always playing 60 win teams.
That's when Shaq entered the league too.
Anyway, Wilson Chandler (re-)signed with Denver today - 5/$37. Guess that explains some of the Nene deal.
Marshall probably has elite NBA court vision, combined with a great ability to distribute. Besides having a terrible jumper, he can't play defense and is not very athletic.
I'm not sure what to make of Marshall's pro potential.
marshall will play in the league - not sure how well yet. you could make comparisons to rubio, though ricky is decidedly better (despite having a worse shot).
growing up, i used to play against this dude who we called, among other things, short oliver miller - he was 5-9 370 and - like miller - could get steals, blocks, assists and boards. (also, like miller, you could take advantageof his defense - especially since 6-9 ain't that short, but 5-9 is for any level of ball). i loved playing that dude 'til the day he fell on my ankle ... never been able to cut quite as well since.
Millsap is the best player in the league of a type (short, physical 4s)that often eats the Lakers up (Davis, Landry) so I expected him to do a lot of damage. He usually does (Gasol and Bynum are slow). Favors and Kanter took it to the Lakers on O as well, and Blake should not be getting 27 minutes for any reason now that Sessions is on the team. Blake "knowing the sets" does not outweigh the talent gap.
But this game is mostly on Kobe. 3/20 with 7 TOs--and Alec Burks scored a lot.
I guess this is the first evidence that we may miss Fish. SLOWLY BACK AWAY FROM THE BASKETBALL, KOBE!
Asked what the reason for the loss was after the game, Bryant said, "I shot like shitt."
Here's the link.
That's what they said about Ed Cota.
Yeah, but he'll get a shot. He's playing in a lineup with at least 3 legit NBA players, so he looks really good. I wasn't sold on him last year, and I'm still not.
It seems like he's going to miss the rest of the tourney, or at least not be near 100%.
i don't think they're saying that mediocre players are likely to be good, or that a great player becomes great because of it. i think what they're saying is that a great player who plays great in the tournament is more likely to be great in the NBA than a great player who gets kicked in the first round.
That's on the high end of what I think he might be worth. I guess you could say that Denver does not need wings as much as some teams with guys like Afflalo, Rudy, Gallo, and Brewer taking up minutes at the 2 and 3. Still, I think he's a quality player and a good fit for a balanced team like Denver. Even if their ceiling is losing in a conference final over the next 3-5 years, you could do a lot worse from where they seemed to be headed when Melo was asking out.
Yeah, I'm stuck once again trying to talk friends off the JT3 ledge. How quickly they forget the Craig Esherick era and how bad a coach can be.
It's more than I'd pay him. But, they must like him a lot. Have they locked up Gallo yet?
Looking at their team, they're going to have to pay Gallo, Mozgev, and McGee in the next year or two. And that Al Harrington contract needs to be amnestied, it's a killer. Still, this is their team, they've locked themselves into the balanced team model (unless they swing a huge trade).
Can I just say I hate VCU? A lot.
IMO it's a huge overpay. Wilson Chandler has never even had a 15 PER in a season. He doesn't spread the floor well (career .324 3p shooter). He is nothing special as a defender. He's a perfectly decent to good 6th or 7th man. He's not realistically going to get any better than that.
Why lock up guys like that for 5 years? Moves to lock up bench guys are, in my opinion, the worst kind of mistakes a FO can make. Having a great bench is a great competitive advantage. However it is not anywhere near necessary to win championships and prevents you from having the flexibility to make good offers in the rare instances that superstars become available. I would not give Wilson Chandler (or Luke Walton or Tony Allen or Dorell Wright or Aaron Afflalo or any of those guys) a deal longer than 2 years. That is the window that I feel like the NBA is relatively predictable in.
w.chandler - i've underrated him over time, but that's too much.
And simultaneously about Mateen Cleaves.
And Khalid El-Amin.
Yeah, I see what you're saying, and I don't think it's unreasonable but I also think he is more than just a useful bench part. Even with the stats you're quoting, there is a more optimistic way to look at them. He has been a 35% 3-point shooter for two years, which at least makes him viable. His 2009 PER was 14.7 and 2010 was 15.7 til he got traded and had shooting/turnover problems while learning a new offense. He is also likely to be a bit underrated by PER as a wing who creates his own shot but doesn't use a huge number of possessions. His .094 WS/48 before last year's trade was quite good. I also think he is a good fit for what Karl likes to do- he wants to have long, athletic wings who can play multiple positions. The Lawson-Afflalo-Chandler-Faried-McGee lineup will probably be the most athletic one he's had since the Payton/Kemp/Hawkins years in Seattle.
edited WS typo
Just one year, actually.
It's the years that bother me, not the $$. It's not like guys like Chandler are that hard to replace.
steroids.
Deron Williams is another. On the other hand, Tyrus Thomas.
Kevin Durant. Didn't they get eliminated first weekend?
Reportedly, he's interested in joining the Bulls or the Heat. Really? Wow. I guess the question is, besides Joel Pryzbilla and Dwight Howard, who isn't interested in joining the Bulls and the Heat?
And maybe they'll shock the world. I just have my doubts. I don't think I'm alone, either.
Any chance Chris Paul is interested at season's end? Maybe Deron Williams?
I'm trying to figure out whether Faried is a superstar in the making or just a really good player. I didn't see the Celtics-Nuggets game, just followed the play by play on the internet. The 4th quarter basically came down to two types of plays for Denver: Kenneth Faried doing something to preserve the lead (Faried offensive rebound. Faried hits first of two free throws...), and Al Harrington doing something to try and blow the lead (Harrington misses 23 foot jumper. Harrington turns the ball over).
Not a free agent.
Maybe Deron Williams?
Won't have the cap space. Dallas, Jersey, and Portland are all going to go after him hard.
I assume most people's "best in the NBA" list looks something like this:
1. LeBron
2. Howard
Tie: Rose, Durant, CP3, (Kobe)--Kobe is in parens due to uncertainty on other's views.
Huge gap
Westbrook, Rondo, Bosh, Gasol, Randolph etc.
Everyone at the top tier is "best player on championship team" contender, with guys in the bottom tier viewed more as complementary stars. Is D-Will in the top tier with Rose and Chris Paul? Is he more like Westbrook and Rondo?
Somewhere in this thread I said Deron Williams is a top 10 point guard, but not a top 5.
I would think he's more with Westbrook and Rondo. If he were in Paul and Rose's group, his team wouldn't be one of the worst in the NBA. It may not be more than bottom playoff team, but they wouldn't be one of the 5 worst.
I think he fits right into that group. Maybe close to Dwight at his best, but way more durability concerns.
Ok, he's not as good as Paul, Rose, or Westbrook. I might take Rondo for the system he's in, but not for most other systems. You could make an argument for Nash, but DWill is better defensively, will be playing in three years, and might fit better into a lot of systems that don't feature a lot of great shooters near him. I think he's a better playmaker and shooter than Lowry to make up for whatever defensive deficiencies. I think he's quite a bit better than Tony Parker (who has become overrated). Does anyone want to defend Ellis, Jennings, Lin, Evans (are we bothering to call him a PG now?), or Curry against him?
Tim Duncan is unbelievable. His shooting numbers are down slightly this year, probably because he had to bump his usage with Ginobili out for so much time. His rebounding, assist, and turnover rates are all right on with his career averages. He doesn't play the minutes he used to, and you can see that he isn't quite as quick defensively as he was. Even so, he is a remarkable defensive player and makes so many incredibly smart plays, and all as a nearly 36 year old big man. Is there anyone else whose career is as underrated as his? I don't think Bob Pettit or Elgin Baylor qualify because their underratedness is a function of playing a big chunk of their careers while the NBA was still growing into a national sport. Hakeem was pretty underrated too, but I'd say it's between Duncan and Moses. Perhaps it was because none of those three was ever clearly regarded as the best player in the world. Duncan was overshadowed by Shaq then Lebron (and even Kobe somewhat). Hakeem was overshadowed by Jordan, even as he won two titles while Jordan left. Moses was overshadowed by Kareem.
The Greatest Power Forward Of All Time is underrated? Understated, sure.
Also, I doubt Derrick Rose goes first overall without his NCAA Tournament performance.
Horford, Conley, and Green all arguably had their stock bumped (went 3-4-5 in 2007) by their performances in March. Not sure how they'd affect the study (haven't read it yet).
1. Rose
2. Paul
3. Westbrook
4. Nash
5. Parker
Nash may not play D, but the guy is an incredible shooter. And he doesn't so much benefit from playing with great shooters, he makes his teammates better shooters. He's as good as it gets when it comes to running an offense.
He can call himself a power forward all he wants, but to me Duncan (and I'm sure to many) is a center. A great power forward can score, rebound, maybe play great defense on his man. A great center can do all that and play man on team defense. In this regard the people to compare Duncan to are Olajuwon, his old teammate the Admiral, young Kareem, late career Wilt, and Bill Russell.
Duncan is on a short list for consideration as the greatest center of all time, along with the guys mentioned up above, and Shaq. I have not worked out in my head who ranks where.
I think you're phrasing this the right way. It always seems askew to me when people say "could he be the best player on a championship team," rather than "how difficult would it be to build a championship team with this guy on it/as the best player."
Chamberlain
Russell
Abdul-Jabbar
Malone
Shaq
Robinson
Olajuwon
Mikan
Ewing
Duncan
I can see Duncan somewhere in the middle of that crowd easy. Among all-time big men, B-R has him at 5th all time in career WS, behind Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, and Robinson.
I can narrow the GOAT to 6 names from there. Mikan deserves mention as a pioneer but there is no way in hell he could have survived head to head matchups with the others on the list. Malone was not the defensive force the others were. There is nothing Ewing could do that Olajuwon could not do better. And while Robinson was a great regular season player, he was no match for Shaq or Hakeem when playoffs came around.
As the self appointed President of the Andrei Kirilenko fan club, I strongly disagree with this statement.
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