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OT: NBA Monthly Thread, May 2012

I estimate that only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, but with our own thread, we won’t detract from what the site is really about: Bryce Harper getting mooned by a Dodgers fan, how dumb interleague baseball is, or random spamming of Yankees/RedSox news that barely counts as news.

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   501. Spivey Posted: May 06, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4124744)
i don't care about the bulls excuses. i understand them, and i agree that this is a completely different series if the bulls were at full strength, but #### that, my team is winning, and i'm gonna enjoy it.


You have no reason to apologize. Your team is lining up and beating the team that's put against them. That team just isn't playing very well.

I think this could have been a good matchup without injuries though. Chicago isn't very healthy right now, and Philly would be able to put the clamps in defensively even if Chicago was healthy. Edit: I realize some of the injuries were in the playoffs but Rose wasn't 100% going into the playoffs and I don't think it was reasonable to expect him to be healthy in the playoffs. It sounds like Deng hasn't been nearly as good after this injury (I'm basing this much on what I've read here).

I really like their future, and I hope that Rose is ready to go next year.
   502. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: May 06, 2012 at 04:46 PM (#4124751)
Sometimes Tyson Chandler just kind of snaps.
   503. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 06, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4124753)
Sometimes Tyson Chandler just kind of snaps.


As he has to be defensive anchor of that team, I'm somewhat surprised it doesn't happen more often.
   504. Yardape Posted: May 06, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4124761)
Nothing to say, but I just think all of STEAGLES' Bulls/76ers posts should have asterisks.


I think you mean footnotes.
   505. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: May 06, 2012 at 05:35 PM (#4124780)
Baron Davis' knee just became the latest '12 playoff casualty. That did not look good at all.
   506. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: May 06, 2012 at 05:35 PM (#4124781)
504: Speaking of which, Larry coon's Cbafaq.com is now updated/online.
   507. robinred Posted: May 06, 2012 at 05:39 PM (#4124786)
tough injury for Davis and NYK
   508. JJ1986 Posted: May 06, 2012 at 06:22 PM (#4124813)
Chris Bosh should not be shooting that.
   509. PJ Martinez Posted: May 06, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4124815)
This is fun.
   510. JJ1986 Posted: May 06, 2012 at 06:29 PM (#4124818)
That's not fun though. I don't see any contact between Battier's hand and Anthony's arm.
   511. Conor Posted: May 06, 2012 at 06:58 PM (#4124847)
Thought ABC had a replay where it looked like he hit him on the elbow
   512. Booey Posted: May 06, 2012 at 07:10 PM (#4124870)
Couple of random questions from the Knicks/Heat game from someone who tries not to watch either team very often:

Why is Wade still sporting the tights? I thought the league tried to nix stuff like that. Did they loosen up the rules again, or does Wade just take the fine?

Did Mike Bibby get laser tat removal? I could've sworn he used to have a very prominent cross or something on his right arm...

And lastly, Melo is turning 28 this month. When is puberty finally gonna kick in and allow him to grow a real mustache?

That is all.
   513. JJ1986 Posted: May 06, 2012 at 07:29 PM (#4124920)
Al Horford is playing.
   514. Spivey Posted: May 06, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4125026)
Bibby's tattoo looks like it has faded badly. I noticed that today.

LeBron James was incredible in the 4th quarter. What a ####### player he is.
   515. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 06, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4125028)
Nothing to say, but I just think all of STEAGLES' Bulls/76ers posts should have asterisks.

I think you mean footnotes.
Brilliant.
   516. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 06, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4125031)
Has the Hawks-Celtics game started yet? All I'm getting is the feed for Boston's morning shooting drills.
   517. thok Posted: May 06, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4125038)
Has the Hawks-Celtics game started yet? All I'm getting is the feed for Boston's morning shooting drills.


I thought Atlanta took the day off, and won't play again until Tuesday.
   518. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: May 06, 2012 at 09:44 PM (#4125060)
I stopped watching when Garnett injured Josh Smith. No point without Smith or Horford in. Hopefully Garnett will die a brutally ugly death instead.
   519. robinred Posted: May 06, 2012 at 09:56 PM (#4125074)
Well, Boston shut me up today.
   520. baudib Posted: May 06, 2012 at 10:02 PM (#4125080)
No point without Smith or Horford in.


They played.
   521. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: May 06, 2012 at 10:08 PM (#4125085)
They played.


You can roll the dead guy out on the court, but it's not the same.
   522. baudib Posted: May 06, 2012 at 10:15 PM (#4125089)
Tell that to Willis Reed.
   523. PJ Martinez Posted: May 06, 2012 at 10:31 PM (#4125095)
I stopped watching when Garnett injured Josh Smith. No point without Smith or Horford in. Hopefully Garnett will die a brutally ugly death instead.

I missed whatever it was you're referring to. What heinous act did Garnett commit against Smith? Also, did he run over your dog?
   524. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: May 06, 2012 at 10:40 PM (#4125097)
1. He's Kevin Garnett. That's enough, really.
2. He intentionally injured Smith in Game 2 because he can't guard him.
3. He's Kevin Garnett.
   525. PJ Martinez Posted: May 06, 2012 at 10:53 PM (#4125101)
Somehow I'm unconvinced by that thorough, detailed analysis.
   526. Tripon Posted: May 06, 2012 at 10:53 PM (#4125102)
Mike Bibby is still in the league?
   527. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 06, 2012 at 10:56 PM (#4125103)
Mike Bibby is still in the league?


Not just in the league: sort of, kind of, maybe relevant!
   528. baudib Posted: May 06, 2012 at 10:56 PM (#4125104)
You had me at, "He's Kevin Garnett," tbh.
   529. Tripon Posted: May 06, 2012 at 11:01 PM (#4125105)
I don't remember Garnett having a dirty reputation. Dude's not a psycho like Metta World Peace is.
   530. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 06, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4125111)
I stopped watching when Garnett injured Josh Smith. No point without Smith or Horford in.
The Hawks are exactly who we thought they were and still are: A very impressive speed bump.
   531. Tripon Posted: May 06, 2012 at 11:12 PM (#4125114)
A very impressive speed bump that still doesn't have a point guard?
   532. PJ Martinez Posted: May 06, 2012 at 11:33 PM (#4125128)
No, Teague is a solid point. And I do wonder how good they'd be with Horford, who has, at times, been their best player. Small forward actually seems like the easiest spot for them to improve the starting lineup, maybe. Is there any way they can snag Gerald Wallace in the offseason?
   533. puck Posted: May 07, 2012 at 12:08 AM (#4125143)
Bah, it seems like whenever I watch the Nuggets, they lose. I'm not sure what the point is to have two point guards who seem to look for their shot first.
   534. tshipman Posted: May 07, 2012 at 12:14 AM (#4125146)
I don't remember Garnett having a dirty reputation. Dude's not a psycho like Metta World Peace is.


Garnett has a dirty rep. Worse, he has a rep of going after young guys. Remember the Channing Frye nut shot? Remember the "Cancer patient" shot at Charlie Villanueva?
   535. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 07, 2012 at 02:53 AM (#4125165)
Garnett has a dirty rep.


I'm going to stick up for Garnett a bit here. He absolutely has a dirty rep in the sense that he is a guy who will say terrible things, picks on young players, barks like a dog, claps in Jose Calderon's face, punched Channing Frye in the nuts, and generally acts like a gigantic ####### to any- and everyone who isn't on his team. He does not, so far as I can recall, have a Bruce Bowen-type dirty rep. I've never seen anything calling Garnett the type of player who will try to injure someone, the way Sam is accusing him. He wants to kick your ass, he wants to embarrass you, and he's m ore than a little crazy, but he's not trying to injure anyone.
   536. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:44 AM (#4125195)
Amare was fantastic in Game 4 and Melo was off the charts. Great atmosphere in the building in the seoond half.

Gives at least some hope for the future that they can play together. The Knicks need to get healthy, get in shape, tweak the roster a bit, have a full training camp with either Woodson or Phil Jackson, and they may have something. It would be nice to see Lin in Game 5.
   537. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:58 AM (#4125206)
Pretty much agree with #535-Garnett's rep is that he's a wild-eyed bully, but not a dirty on-the-court player.
   538. Famous Original Joe C Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:47 AM (#4125223)
I stopped watching when Garnett injured Josh Smith. No point without Smith or Horford in. Hopefully Garnett will die a brutally ugly death instead.

1. He's Kevin Garnett. That's enough, really.
2. He intentionally injured Smith in Game 2 because he can't guard him.
3. He's Kevin Garnett.


Great analysis, Sam. Always a pleasure having you here. Maybe now is a good time to go back to trolling Phillies and Nationals fan?
   539. Famous Original Joe C Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:03 AM (#4125233)
I'm going to stick up for Garnett a bit here. He absolutely has a dirty rep in the sense that he is a guy who will say terrible things, picks on young players, barks like a dog, claps in Jose Calderon's face, punched Channing Frye in the nuts, and generally acts like a gigantic ####### to any- and everyone who isn't on his team. He does not, so far as I can recall, have a Bruce Bowen-type dirty rep. I've never seen anything calling Garnett the type of player who will try to injure someone, the way Sam is accusing him. He wants to kick your ass, he wants to embarrass you, and he's m ore than a little crazy, but he's not trying to injure anyone.

Yeah, I agree with this. He's an ####### out there, to be sure, but I've never heard anyone accuse him of intentionally trying to injure someone.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Few teams look better than these Celtics when they are making their jumpers. Unfortunately, few teams are harder to watch when they aren't.
   540. Spivey Posted: May 07, 2012 at 11:20 AM (#4125302)
In the world of my testicles, intentionally punching someone in the nuts is trying to intentionally hurt them.
   541. Booey Posted: May 07, 2012 at 11:32 AM (#4125312)
I don't remember Garnett having a dirty reputation. Dude's not a psycho like Metta World Peace is.


Oh Garnett is completely insane. It's just a different kind of crazy than MWP.
   542. JC in DC Posted: May 07, 2012 at 11:34 AM (#4125317)
In the world of my testicles


Isn't that a Primus song?
   543. Booey Posted: May 07, 2012 at 11:35 AM (#4125318)
In the world of my testicles, intentionally punching someone in the nuts is trying to intentionally hurt them.


I think Simmons reaction to that was something along the lines of: "It's Channing Frye. Who cares?"
   544. robinred Posted: May 07, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4125340)
Great analysis, Sam. Always a pleasure having you here. Maybe now is a good time to go back to trolling Phillies and Nationals fan?


To steal a phrase from a great man, "Nothing wrong with tweaking Celtics fans from time to time." ;-)

Garnett is, well, Garnett. Like Maxwn said, fans stick up for their guys, particularly when said guys are really good.
   545. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: May 07, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4125352)
To steal a phrase from a great man, "Nothing wrong with tweaking Celtics fans from time to time." ;-)


If Kevin Garnett were a Laker, Celtics fans would burn him in effigy. He wears that puke-lime green jersey, though, so he must be a great guy instead. Whatevs.

This series ended when Smith joined Horford among the walking wounded. Celtics fans will crow, because that's what the Yankees of the NBA do, but who really gives a #### about that, right?

I was actually going to leave this thread, but now I may stick around a bit and point out the asshattery that is Boston athletics for a while.
   546. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: May 07, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4125367)
532: No, there isn't. Bad cap/ownership situation.

Tell that to Willis Reed.
Who's our Walt Frazier (who had 36 points, v. Reed's 4)?

You know, I'd never looked at that game 7 before. Wilt was 1-11 from the line? Yeesh.
   547. andrewberg Posted: May 07, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4125387)
KG did try to injure Wally Szczerbiak's face in practice back in the day, but I dont think anyone would hold that against him.
   548. nick swisher hygiene Posted: May 07, 2012 at 12:56 PM (#4125391)
533--yep; and what's more, nobody even thinks the game is worth talking about!

Problem with Denver is that Gallo and Lawson might be the 2nd and 3rd best players on a contender, but when you slide them up one notch--

If they can somehow sign McGee to a decent contract, and if Gallo/Lawson take the next step, I like them a lot next year. But I'm pessimistic about those "if"s.
   549. Bitter Mouse Posted: May 07, 2012 at 01:05 PM (#4125405)
I agree Garnett is a bit nuts. He is crazy intense and can't turn it off. He is also a bit of a punk. As a season ticket holder of the wolves back in the day I always got my money's worth from him. he and Tim Duncan are like Tin and Yang. Both great but so very different.

My sports players don't need to be my "friend" so I don't idolize them and will cheer the laundry, and not be so disappointed when they turn out to be various flavors of human.
   550. Jimmy P Posted: May 07, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4125471)
Have you discussed how this occurred 10 years ago today? Still so so good.
   551. Booey Posted: May 07, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4125489)
Jimmy #550 - It's not letting me click on that link here at work. What is today the 10 year anniversary of?
   552. Jimmy P Posted: May 07, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4125497)
Jimmy #550 - It's not letting me click on that link here at work. What is today the 10 year anniversary of?


Greatest NBA press conference ever. PRACTICE!
   553. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 07, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4125505)
"We talking about practice. Not a game, not the game that I go out there and die for, and play every game like it's my last. Not the game. We talking about practice."

Maybe the best sports rant ever. A window directly into how AI went about his business, with his strengths and weaknesses completely intertwined.
   554. steagles Posted: May 07, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4125510)
Greatest NBA press conference ever. PRACTICE!
both teams played hard.
   555. Booey Posted: May 07, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4125525)
Greatest NBA press conference ever. PRACTICE!


Aw, I loved that one! That still runs through my mind every time friends who play on a team mention that they have to go to practice. Classic.
   556. smileyy Posted: May 07, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4125538)
So, a guy who this thread has identified as needing one of the more specialized teams built around him has no interest in practicing with that team so they can specialize around him.

If anyone gets to make a "practice" rant, its a Jason Kidd or a Steve Nash -- the guys who can step onto a court and make a team better without having played with them. (I mean, I'm sure those guys use practice to hone their craft even more...)
   557. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 07, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4125548)
ESPN reports that the Mavs have voted to not give Lamar Odom a $14,000 playoff share. Not surprising, but telling of what that lockerroom thinks of how he handled his time with the team.
   558. smileyy Posted: May 07, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4125558)
I'm a little surprised they didn't ask him to pay some of the playoff share, what with how he did his best to keep them from getting there.
   559. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: May 07, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4125597)
But damned if he's giving Khloe Kardashian back!!
   560. Booey Posted: May 07, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4125604)
But damned if he's giving Khloe Kardashian back!!


Meh. He can keep her.
   561. baudib Posted: May 07, 2012 at 04:44 PM (#4125627)
PRACTICE is pure gold. Mike & Mike alluded to the fact that there is more NSFW footage to that press conference, which, if true is insane. Gotta find that.

Khloe Kardashian


Everyone knows she's not a real Kardashian.
   562. Squash Posted: May 07, 2012 at 06:57 PM (#4125743)
Baron Davis' knee just became the latest '12 playoff casualty. That did not look good at all.

Rotoworld is describing it as "decimated". Complete tears of ACL and MCL. Apparently waddling around the court with 270 lbs. on a 6'2" frame isn't a good idea. Who knew?
   563. Booey Posted: May 07, 2012 at 07:02 PM (#4125746)
Odom and Khloe are a match made in heaven anyway. Neither seemed to feel guilty about getting paid millions to do nothing this season.
   564. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: May 07, 2012 at 07:08 PM (#4125753)
You know, Bill Russell hated practice too, as I understand it. Just saying'...
   565. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 07, 2012 at 07:27 PM (#4125763)
I hope the Believe Baron Davis is the Baron we remember, because you'd have to think his career is over, or at the very least will never be the same. Time for him to pursue his moviemaking full time.
   566. andrewberg Posted: May 07, 2012 at 07:28 PM (#4125765)
Everyone knows she's not a real Kardashian.


So she's got that going for her... or against her. Either way, I'm wasting finger movement.

Rotoworld is describing it as "decimated". Complete tears of ACL and MCL. Apparently waddling around the court with 270 lbs. on a 6'2" frame isn't a good idea. Who knew?


His knee was cut down to 1/10 of it's previous size! I guess if you think of his kneecap as a decimal point, it did kind of move want place to the left.

Anyone want to go out on a limb and pick Utah or Memphis tonight? I think both teams have an ok shot. Memphis is about a 2 point dog in vegas, which highlights how even the teams have been. Utah is a 7.5 point dog, which seems excessive, unless you consider the last 3 games a harbinger.
   567. baudib Posted: May 07, 2012 at 07:28 PM (#4125766)
You know, Bill Russell hated practice too, as I understand it. Just saying'...



That was one of the surprising developments that followed the PRACTICE rant. Most of the old-time players defended Iverson.
   568. Squash Posted: May 07, 2012 at 07:33 PM (#4125769)
His knee was cut down to 1/10 of it's previous size!

You should be congratulated for this one.
   569. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: May 07, 2012 at 07:46 PM (#4125778)
That was a nice one...
   570. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4125848)
Maybe the best sports rant ever.

English one perhaps. Nobody is ever touching Giovanni Trapattoni though.

Edit: Went and dug up a clip with English subtitles. They don't really do it justice, but they aren't bad.
   571. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:10 PM (#4125864)
His knee was cut down to 1/10 of it's previous size!

You should be congratulated for this one.


Well he should, but if you are going to take a word literally, you should get it right. Decimate is to take one in then, as in down to 9/10ths.
   572. tshipman Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4125892)
Well he should, but if you are going to take a word literally, you should get it right. Decimate is to take one in then, as in down to 9/10ths.


Thank you. I thought I was the only one, and I was going to drop it.

Pedants unite!
   573. Srul Itza Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:49 PM (#4126010)
What just happened in Utah? Does San Antonio always use the bench that much these days, or did they just figure, hell, we'll rest the old guys, probably win anyway, and if not, we'll get them in San Antone?
   574. Srul Itza Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:51 PM (#4126016)
Pedants unite!


If you were a real pedant, then after congratulating him on knowing the definition of decimate, you would have then called him to task for the typo.
   575. tshipman Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:58 PM (#4126030)
What just happened in Utah? Does San Antonio always use the bench that much these days, or did they just figure, hell, we'll rest the old guys, probably win anyway, and if not, we'll get them in San Antone?


Yes to both, most likely.

Manu played 23 mpg this season (30 the year prior)
Parker played 32 mpg this season (same the year prior)
Duncan played 28 mpg this season (same the year prior)

Traditionally, Parker and Duncan play higher minutes in the playoffs, but the Spurs jumped out to a lead.
   576. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: May 07, 2012 at 11:18 PM (#4126058)
Spurs were the vastly superior team and outplayed the Jazz almost every single minute. The Jazz were especially vulnerable to them since neither Harris nor Tinsley could guard Parker and Jefferson is one of the worst P&R defenders in the NBA, but I think the Spurs demonstrated they're for real and should probably be slight favorites in the West.

I was hoping the Jazz could at least take one at home, but at least they put up some fight to close out the season. Favors is already great defensively and with his athleticism and the progress he's already made I think he'll be a very good offensive player as well. The Jazz' offseason will be interesting. I think one of Jefferson or Millsap will and should be moved (hopefully it's Jefferson). They desperately need a wing that can shoot outside and look to upgrade PG if at all possible.
   577. SouthSideRyan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 11:22 PM (#4126066)
Lionel Hollins just said Chris Paul is good at flopping.
   578. Booey Posted: May 07, 2012 at 11:32 PM (#4126093)
Jazz need to learn how to shoot and defend the 3 big time. We can't keep spotting every team a 20 point advantage from behind the arc and expect to beat the good ones. SA seemed to be pretty much automatic from 3 whenever they were left open, whereas the entire season I was mildly surprised every time the Jazz hit one, even when there was no one within 5 feet of our "shooters".

Favors obviously needs more PT next year, though I personally don't think we need to trade Paul or Big Al. They were our only consistent scoring and rebounding options all season. I like the big lineup and think we should stick with it and use it more often next year.
   579. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: May 08, 2012 at 12:31 AM (#4126112)
Among a bunch of pretty disappointing series, this excellent MEM-LAC matchup has stood out.
   580. Maxwn Posted: May 08, 2012 at 12:43 AM (#4126119)
If you step on Blake Griffin's foot, he will throw his head back like you kicked him in the face. It's a wonder that he still has both eyes.
   581. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: May 08, 2012 at 01:18 AM (#4126127)
I love Mike Conley.
   582. Yardape Posted: May 08, 2012 at 01:23 AM (#4126129)
If you step on Blake Griffin's foot, he will throw his head back like you kicked him in the face. It's a wonder that he still has both eyes.


As a Clippers fan, I would really like Griffin to cut back on that kind of stuff.

I feel like this is a game the Clippers need. It seems like everything has gone their way tonight, but it's still a tight game.
   583. Maxwn Posted: May 08, 2012 at 01:40 AM (#4126132)
Can't wait for Henry Abbott to tell me more about that hero-ball bullshit with Chris Paul at the end of regulation tonight. He waited till 4 secs were left till he even started trying to make a play.
   584. Maxwn Posted: May 08, 2012 at 02:04 AM (#4126137)
Ah, I ####### hate the Clippers.
   585. Booey Posted: May 08, 2012 at 10:38 AM (#4126256)
Unfortunately, star power usually seems to beat out deeper teams without a true superstar in the playoffs.

If you step on Blake Griffin's foot, he will throw his head back like you kicked him in the face. It's a wonder that he still has both eyes.

As a Clippers fan, I would really like Griffin to cut back on that kind of stuff.


As frustrating as flopping is to watch, players have no reason to stop doing it as long as the officials keep buying into it. And every team has their share of flop artists. Refs will rarely call an offensive foul - even obvious ones - unless the defender sells it.
   586. Jimmy P Posted: May 08, 2012 at 10:56 AM (#4126266)
Can't wait for Henry Abbott to tell me more about that hero-ball ######## with Chris Paul at the end of regulation tonight. He waited till 4 secs were left till he even started trying to make a play.

It's not hero-ball if Chris Paul does it. That's a smart basketball play.
   587. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 08, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4126289)
I'm disappointed that the Bulls are going to go out so quietly. These last 2 games were both so close, yet seemed impossible to win. Bulls were up by about 15 when Noah got hurt in game 3, and his absence has been felt. In both games, there were critical calls that went against the Bulls; they only helped Philly win (and were not the reasons for the wins) as the Sixers were leading in both games. I know Sixers fans don't care - and shouldn't care - about the Bulls' problems. And it does me no good to say yet again that if the Bulls were healthy, this would have been a slaughter. No matter if the series ends tonight, Thursday or Saturday, this year is going to leave such a rotten taste in my mouth and will turn out to be one of the most disappointing years of any team I've followed in any sport. There's no positive memories to take from the regular season when it ends like this.

As for the Sixers matching up against the Celtics, I don't trust the Celtics but I trust the Sixers even less. The Sixers shot 39.8% in game 1, 34.2% in game 3 and 39.2% in game 4 (the playoff record 59% in game 2 is such a fluke, but I can't completely ignore it). There is no way this offense should be winning any playoff series, let alone playoff games. The C's do have their own offensive problems now and then too, and the schedule is going to change a lot in the next round (every team is supposed to have at least 1 b2b, so that's something that might help Philly win a game or so). But I don't see any way Philly beats Boston (I didn't see any of the regular season matchups, but those mean even less in the next round and especially considering how many games the C's just mail in). I can't say it won't be competitive, because Philly is going to win at least 1 game, but I expect at the end everyone's going to look back on it and think it was an easy series for Boston. (I hope this isn't seen as a bitter Bulls fan analysis, because it's not; I still hate Boston *way* more than I hate Philly.)
   588. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: May 08, 2012 at 11:18 AM (#4126296)
[587] I kind of look at the Phillies as Boston-lite. Great defensive team with offensive problems due to reliance on the mid range jumper. I expect an ugly, tightly contested 6 game series.
   589. Jimmy P Posted: May 08, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4126436)
Steve Kerr wrote a piece on why there should be a 20 year old age limit for the NBA. I have not read it yet.
   590. steagles Posted: May 08, 2012 at 01:26 PM (#4126455)
But I don't see any way Philly beats Boston (I didn't see any of the regular season matchups, but those mean even less in the next round and especially considering how many games the C's just mail in). I can't say it won't be competitive, because Philly is going to win at least 1 game, but I expect at the end everyone's going to look back on it and think it was an easy series for Boston. (I hope this isn't seen as a bitter Bulls fan analysis, because it's not; I still hate Boston *way* more than I hate Philly.)
one thing that i think you have to remember is that boston is a much less aggressive team than chicago. boston doesn't crash the offensive glass. they don't get to the FT line, they're not as dangerous from beyond the arc. if the sixers can close out chicago, i don't see how they could be written off against boston. jrue holiday can do just as good a job of defending ray allen as he's done defending rip hamilton. evan turner has had success guarding rajon rondo. andre iguodala can shut down paul pierce.

the main hurdle for this team the last few years has been closing out games in the 4th quarter, but in the last few weeks, they've closed out chicago twice, and indiana once, at indiana. if they have cleared that hurdle, there's no reason they can't beat boston.
   591. smileyy Posted: May 08, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4126469)
Steve Kerr article on requiring NBA players to be 20 years old

This is so full of ####:

Other than lost salaries, what would have been the downside of those last four guys playing two years in college? (emphasis mine) Garnett and Bryant needed the extra playing time (and added responsibility of carrying a college contender); meanwhile, LeBron and Howard were thrust into unfair positions as saviors of lottery teams, and after seeing how their careers have unfolded, maybe those burdens affected them more than we realized. Neither played a postseason game until his third season; meanwhile, Garnett didn't make it out of the first round until his ninth year, and Kobe didn't start logging big playoff minutes until his third season. You're telling me two years of leading elite NCAA teams wouldn't have been a better basketball/life/social/teamwork experience for those four guys?
   592. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 08, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4126472)
This is the pull quote of the article for me:
The arguments against raising the age requirement hinge on civil liberties, points like, "Who are we to deny a 19-year-old kid a chance to make a living when he can vote, drive, and fight in a war?" If this were about legality or fairness, you might have a case. But it's really about business. The National Basketball Association is a multi-billion-dollar industry that depends on ticket sales, sponsorships, corporate dollars, and media contracts to operate successfully. If the league believes one rule tweak — whatever it is — would improve its product and make it more efficient, then it should be allowed to make that business decision. If an 18-year-old basketball whiz wants to earn a living right away, he could play overseas or in the D-League for those two years. Regardless, it shouldn't be the NBA's responsibility to provide working opportunities for teenagers, just like it's not the NFL's responsibility to do so. The NBA should only care about running its operation the best it can. That's it.

I get why that's how the NBA thinks about these things, but I don't see why he thinks I, as a fan, shouldn't care about the rights of 18 and 19 year-olds.
   593. andrewberg Posted: May 08, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4126475)
You're telling me two years of leading elite NCAA teams wouldn't have been a better basketball/life/social/teamwork experience for those four guys?


It's clever of him to couch his profit maximization argument in highly subjective, unquantifiable, and paternalistic terminology. He might even be right. Nobody knows, and that's why it makes for a bad decision calculus.
   594. smileyy Posted: May 08, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4126478)
But yeah, other than the bullshit I called out, the article is mostly honest about it intentions. A better title, however, would have been "Why an age limit would make the NBA owners a ton more money." This is better suited for an NBA owners meeting.
   595. Jimmy P Posted: May 08, 2012 at 01:44 PM (#4126479)
I get why that's how the NBA thinks about these things, but I don't see why he thinks I, as a fan, shouldn't care about the rights of 18 and 19 year-olds.

The thing that gets me is the hidden undercurrent of racism. The media screams about how the age limit is needed and education is so sacred when it's basketball players. But, no one cares about baseball players, hockey players, and tennis players. Hmmm, I wonder what's so different...
   596. smileyy Posted: May 08, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4126481)
But, no one cares about baseball players, hockey players, and tennis players. Hmmm, I wonder what's so different...


There's no giant money machine built around youth athletes in those sports? (I actually think that has a lot more to do with it)
   597. smileyy Posted: May 08, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4126492)
The union would benefit because veterans would hold their jobs for an extra season.


Arguments of "We need to protect ourselves by excluding our competition" do nothing for me. In fact, they make me lose respect for the rest of the points. If an 18-year-old is better than you, get the *($# out of the NBA. That said, the NBA needs a player development program that doesn't, well, suck, and doesn't indenture players to the NCAA (an organization I respect even less than NBA owners)

I'm hoping a high-profile direct-from-high-school player makes the argument "Who the *($# are these guys who wanted to keep my broke-ass 18-year-old self from getting a cut of those millions I'm making?"
   598. jmurph Posted: May 08, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4126497)
Has the True Hoop crowd gone all negative all the time? I rarely read the posts anymore, but seemingly 90% of the blurbs that show up in my google reader are about either flopping, hero ball, or (up until the playoffs) tanking. It's like they're tapping into the id of every middle age local columnist out there who hates the NBA.
   599. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 08, 2012 at 02:24 PM (#4126530)
one thing that i think you have to remember is that boston is a much less aggressive team than chicago. boston doesn't crash the offensive glass. they don't get to the FT line, they're not as dangerous from beyond the arc. if the sixers can close out chicago, i don't see how they could be written off against boston. jrue holiday can do just as good a job of defending ray allen as he's done defending rip hamilton. evan turner has had success guarding rajon rondo. andre iguodala can shut down paul pierce.

Taking your points, one by one.
-Boston and Chicago were 1/2 in def eff, with Philly a close 3rd. I don't know how'd you'd define aggressive as they both play the same defensive scheme; the Bulls did foul less in the regular season than Boston. Regardless, you're facing at least as good of a defense, if not a better one once personnel and 2nd half performance are taken into account. And Philly can barely score on the Bulls now (to reiterate, they shot less than 40% in 3 of 4 games in a series they're winning!).
-The Sixers have more offensive rebounds in 3 of the 4 games than the Bulls. If Philly can play the boards the same against the Celtics (or even better), it's going to impact the C's less since it's not as big of a part of their offense as it is for the Bulls.
-Philly doesn't get to the FT line*, yet only 2 teams are going more in the playoffs. Will that continue? In the regular season, Boston actually has a higher FT/FGA than Chicago (although both were below average). So while true, it doesn't change anything in Philly's favor.
-During the regular season, the Bulls and Celtics were separated by 2 3pt attempts per game (Bulls 16.9, C's 15.0) and the Bulls were 2% more accurate on 3's (37.5% vs 36.7%); so you're dramatically overstating that part.
-Allen is banged up, so that means something. However, Rip isn't in Allen's league when it comes to shooting. Part of the reason Philly has been effective against Rip (well, effective once Rose was out; they didn't really slow him down at all in game 1) is because of how they're playing the Bulls' screens. Garnett is a much better (or more-get-away-wither) screener than anyone on Chicago, and both Rondo and Pierce can actually create their own offense (unlike anyone currently playing for the Bulls) so the aggressive defense on the screens isn't going to work nearly as well.

the main hurdle for this team the last few years has been closing out games in the 4th quarter, but in the last few weeks, they've closed out chicago twice, and indiana once, at indiana. if they have cleared that hurdle, there's no reason they can't beat boston.

As a fan, I can see how finally closing out games is a relief to you. But I don't think 2 games against this decimated Bulls team and 1 regular season game (we've also seen Indiana really struggle with putting away a sub-par Orlando team) trumps the repeated failings of the last couple years. Maybe they've learned something, but I don't think we really can be sure of that based on what we've seen.

*Worst ever, as you've pointed out before. If Philly got to the FT line in games 3 and 4 at their regular season pace, the Bulls would have won both games.
   600. Famous Original Joe C Posted: May 08, 2012 at 02:47 PM (#4126561)
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