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OT: NBA Thread - December 2012

Since Jack Haley and Steve Scheffler were mentioned, it must be time for another thread.

The District Attorney Posted: December 03, 2012 at 10:17 PM | 513 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. steagles Posted: December 04, 2012 at 01:12 AM (#4316124)
jrue holiday for MVP.

LAST WEEK: 19.0 ppg | 11.0 apg | 1.0 spg

Wherever he ends up on this list at season's end, Holiday has a great shot at Most Improved Player honors. He tallied a career-high 33 points on 13-for-21 shooting from the floor (1-for-2 from deep, and he was 6-for-8 from the line) to go with 13 assists and three rebounds in Sunday's win over the Suns. The Sixers are thriving right now and Holiday is fueling them.
   2. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:09 AM (#4316163)
Can Chauncey Billups be fined for this?

Of course even if he can, I am sure that he would gladly do so in exchange for the fine. Only solution I can really think of is allowing refs to check instant replays for flops in the last couple minutes of the game.
   3. salvomania Posted: December 04, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4316326)
I remember Scheffler at Purdue... did he have any kind of NBA career?
   4. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 04, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4316382)
He stayed a high fg% guy, but lack of height, quickness, and athleticism (heh) limited him to an end of the end of the bench role. Lasted 7 years though - being a good guy has its rewards. Was a mainstay of my Statis-Pro teams, back in the day (like Strat).

IIRC, he was the first famous person I'd ever heard of who was dyslexic.
   5. Booey Posted: December 04, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4316422)
Tom, I was wondering the exact same thing last night. That flop very well may have cost the Jazz the game.

But like you said, this was one case where even if a player knew he was going to be fined, it would still likely be worth it for him to take one for the team (hell, I wouldn't even be surprised if team management paid the fine for him). There's at least a 50/50 chance the Clips wouldn't have won without it.

Small consolation, but yeah, I hope the league at least calls him out on this.
   6. Jimmy P Posted: December 04, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4316447)
Can Chauncey Billups be fined for this?


He also attempted the Reggie Miller/Dwyane Wade leg kick thing. That's two offenses that both should be fined.

And a ref 3 feet away missed them both.
   7. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 12:49 PM (#4316490)
Great Tim Duncan pic.
   8. kpelton Posted: December 04, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4316517)
Scheffler is a beloved figure in Sonics history for his role as the human victory cigar on many of the George Karl teams. I for one will never forget the night he made a three.

I would have been fascinated to see him play regular minutes for a month or so to see how it would have gone.
   9. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: December 04, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4316520)
Great Tim Duncan pic.

I'm sure Stern's going to love that...

---

Since Rose was brought up yesterday, there actually was an update on him finally (but it came from Joe Cowley, ugh):

According to an NBA source, while ‘‘The Return'' to the court for NBA games is still up in the air for Rose, the all-everything point guard could be just weeks away from practicing with the Bulls again after surgery on his left anterior cruciate ligament last May.

‘‘That's the belief that a couple of [the Bulls'] players are under,'' the source said.


CSN reported he was running "sprints" yesterday, while they were showing him jogging about 20 feet.
   10. andrewberg Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4316789)
Can Chauncey Billups be fined for this?


Poor Mo Williams. First Chauncey takes his job, and now this. He should make sure to never let him meet his wife.
   11. Booey Posted: December 04, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4316835)
Poor Mo Williams. First Chauncey takes his job, and now this. He should make sure to never let him meet his wife.


Based solely on appearance, I don't think Mo Williams should have to worry too much about losing his lady to the likes of Chauncey Billups...


(Wow, I originally accidentally typed Mo Vaughn rather than Mo Williams before I caught myself. What kind of hilarious trainwreck of a season would a team have with Mo Vaughn as it's point guard?)
   12. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:00 PM (#4316911)
Based solely on appearance, I don't think Mo Williams should have to worry too much about losing his lady to the likes of Chauncey Billups...

I think someone with the nickname Mr. Big Shot might have an appeal that goes beyond mere appearance...
   13. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:04 PM (#4316917)
Great Tim Duncan pic.

Tim Duncan playing paintball with Aziz Ansari! What a scoop!
   14. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 04, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4316946)
What kind of hilarious trainwreck of a season would a team have with Mo Vaughn as it's point guard?


Couldn't be any worse than Jacques Vaughn.
   15. andrewberg Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:11 PM (#4317046)
Or Jacque Jones.
   16. The District Attorney Posted: December 04, 2012 at 06:23 PM (#4317066)
I'm sure Stern's going to love that...
Hey, if Woj is right that Stern has it in for the Spurs because they're boring, I guess he will!
   17. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: December 04, 2012 at 07:25 PM (#4317165)
   18. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 04, 2012 at 08:07 PM (#4317201)
Reports are out saying the hornets are changing their name to the pelicans
Haven't heard whether the cats will become the hornets or not.
   19. Fourth True Outcome Posted: December 04, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4317210)
Twitter is saying MJ gave a quote a while ago about being open to it if the name were to become available, so it seems like a distinct possibility, anyway.
   20. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 04, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4317215)
So I am watching Wolves vs. 76ers. STEAGLES, somewhere, is sad I suspect.
   21. smileyy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4317226)
Pelicans? That's...that's such a dreadful name.
   22. Booey Posted: December 04, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4317232)
Reports are out saying the hornets are changing their name to the pelicans


Have they said why? Especially to a name so much worse than their current one?
   23. smileyy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4317233)
My guess is that Jordan is enamored with the name "Charlotte Hornets" and will pay for the name. And the New Orleans owner owns the rights to "New Orleans Pelicans", so he can make a buck.

But seriously, that sounds like a folded ABA franchise or something.
   24. smileyy Posted: December 04, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4317234)
Or maybe its an attempt to astroturf fan support to "Save the Hornets name"
   25. bobm Posted: December 04, 2012 at 09:36 PM (#4317240)
My guess is that Jordan is enamored with the name "Charlotte Hornets" and will pay for the name. And the New Orleans owner owns the rights to "New Orleans Pelicans", so he can make a buck

With the NHL lockout, maybe NC could rent New Orleans the unused "Hurricanes" name instead? ;-)
   26. andrewberg Posted: December 04, 2012 at 10:19 PM (#4317254)
Pelicans is a GREAT name.

How good is Texas?
   27. JC in DC Posted: December 04, 2012 at 10:38 PM (#4317263)
Harden struggling, Lin not looking great against LA.
   28. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 04, 2012 at 10:47 PM (#4317266)
The Wizards beat the Heat? How did that happen? HOW?
   29. steagles Posted: December 04, 2012 at 10:54 PM (#4317273)
So I am watching Wolves vs. 76ers. STEAGLES, somewhere, is sad I suspect.
it is what it is. i think i said it in the last thread, but if i didn't i'll say it here: the sixers just aren't very good right now. it is what it is.
   30. robinred Posted: December 04, 2012 at 10:58 PM (#4317279)
The NO ABA franchise was called the Buccaneers, BTW.
   31. andrewberg Posted: December 04, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4317286)
it is what it is. i think i said it in the last thread, but if i didn't i'll say it here: the sixers just aren't very good right now. it is what it is.


Starting the replay now. Looks like you got Shved'd.
   32. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 04, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4317300)
Wow - Rockets bench (Smith/Delfino/Douglas) BROUGHT it tonight.
   33. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: December 04, 2012 at 11:46 PM (#4317301)
The Wizards beat the Heat? How did that happen? HOW?

Homeland called it. NBAtv actually claimed it's the 3rd straight win for the Wiz over the Heat, which is completely unbelievable. I'm not sure which loss is worse - this one or OKC @ Charlotte last season. I lean towards this one, since Wall wasn't playing.

---

Bulls lose a tough, ugly UGLY one with the Pacers. The teams combined to shoot 37%. Paul George was the ####### man though - that's the guy I keep thinking he's going to be. 34pts (14/25 shooting), 9reb, 2ast, 3blk, 2stl and only 2TO (take out George's line and the Pacers only made 15 other buckets and shot 23%); he won the game for them. Bulls offense is somehow even worse without Rip. Tough no-call ended the game too; I like the no-call when the defender jumps straight up (in this case, Hibbert on Deng), but Hibbert didn't get his arms up and they came down on Deng (Deng initiated contact) - it's an automatic call 99.5% of the time so it hurts a little.

---

Harden 3 of 19 but Rockets win anyway. He's had some real stinkers shooting this year, probably learning to be the main guy I'd guess.
   34. Honkie Kong Posted: December 04, 2012 at 11:56 PM (#4317308)
The Lakers defence looked abysmal in the 4th quarter. When Hack-a-big-whining-baby starts, it seems he loses his defensive intensity too.
Or maybe they are just an old team which loses its legs towards the end.
   35. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:17 AM (#4317329)
I just saw the beginning of the end.
   36. Maxwn Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:24 AM (#4317333)
Grizzlies came back from 16 pt deficit to beat PHX by 10 in OT. Z-Bo had 38/22 on 15-22 shooting. Damn he is fun to watch on the nights that the Grizz really need him and he starts feeling it. Watch him on nights like tonight and he looks like the best player on the court by a mile.

That might be the best way I can describe Zach Randolph. He's not a HOF level player but every so often he has nights where you think "That guy is one of the best basketball players I've ever seen." If he did it all the time, he would be a HOFer.

Part of me also wonders if he had played for Lionel Hollins or Greg Popovich(that bastard) or somebody like that his entire career if things would have turned out a little differently the first 10 years of his career. Of all the seemingly unlikely things that had to happen for this Grizzlies team to work at all, Hollins getting Z-Bo to buy-in and fill the role that he does is one of the most impressive.
   37. andrewberg Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:55 AM (#4317346)
Phoenix's defense: we make you wonder why lots of guys aren't hall of famers.

Philly has shot lots of long, contested twos and failed to take care of the ball in this game. The wolves finally had a good shooting night, but it had a lot to do with having time to set with nobody challenging the shots.
   38. andrewberg Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:06 AM (#4317349)
As much as Odom has helped out in the locker room -- giving players books to read like his former coach Phil Jackson once did -- the Clippers didn’t trade Mo Williams to get a good locker room guy. They need him to be a productive part of the team to be successful, and it seems Odom has turned a corner this month.


No word on who got Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
   39. Maxwn Posted: December 05, 2012 at 01:55 AM (#4317361)
Phoenix's defense: we make you wonder why lots of guys aren't hall of famers.

Yeah, fair enough.
   40. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 05, 2012 at 09:13 AM (#4317410)
I think Pelicans is an OK name. Not great, but not terrible either. Pelicans + Hornets = Hornets + Bobcats, with a slight possible bonus for names that actually work with the home town teams.
   41. The District Attorney Posted: December 05, 2012 at 09:33 AM (#4317420)
I hope it's just an indirect way for New Orleans to become the Jazz again. Utah can pick up the Hornets.
   42. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 09:35 AM (#4317422)
Just need to change Hornets to Honeybees, then.
   43. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 05, 2012 at 09:42 AM (#4317429)
I hope it's just an indirect way for New Orleans to become the Jazz again. Utah can pick up the Hornets.


But wouldn't that make the Charlotte team the Pelicans?
   44. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 05, 2012 at 09:48 AM (#4317433)
So back to Wolves talk, is D. Williams just not that good? If he can not get that much run with the huge raft of injuries that hit the team in early year 2 should I just move on, or is there still some hope?

I was not super fond of the pick (I would have rather they traded down), but I thought he would be better than this.
   45. JC in DC Posted: December 05, 2012 at 09:49 AM (#4317434)
Up above a poster referred to "Hack a Big Whining Baby." I assume that means Howard. What is it about him that makes him so unlikeable? The guys who called the game (including Drexler) recognized him as the best C in today's game, but took it as a given that he's not in the class of the Ewings, Olajuwons, etc, DESPITE apparently superior athleticism. I think it was Drexler who said he lacked intensity. When he used to do his radio show, John Thompson routinely ragged Howard; you got the sense he regarded him as (to that point at least) a waste of talent. Do others agree with that type of criticism? I have to admit to counting him among my very least favorite current players.
   46. Spivey Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:09 AM (#4317457)
I think most people liked Howard until he derailed Orlando in rather Epic fashion. I think the way he left the team makes LeDecision look squeaky clean.

On the court I'm a pretty big fan of his game, but I did see people saying here that his effort wasn't 100% last year and I would defer to most of you on that.
   47. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:43 AM (#4317484)
[45] Those guys had a broader offensive repertoire than others. Most guys calling the NBA think broader repertoire>effective repertoire. See: "Carmelo Anthony is the best scorer in the league." Plus, (I will of course to defer to the Lakers fans on this) I've watched a lot of Laker games this year and Howard just isn't completely physically there yet. Kudos, to whoever it was that pointed out that maybe most of us on this board were too certain Howard would return from his back injury good as ever.
   48. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:58 AM (#4317498)
The NO ABA franchise was called the Buccaneers, BTW.


Proud home, IIRC, to Doug Moe, Larry Brown (playing, not coaching; he was one of the league's best point guards) & Steve Jones, among others.

(Like, Wikipedia reminds me, the great James Jones -- guy was a helluva player, really, out of Grambling -- & Dallas Cowboys punter Ron Widby.)
   49. JJ1986 Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4317501)
I hope it's just an indirect way for New Orleans to become the Jazz again. Utah can pick up the Hornets.


Hornets is a specific reference to a revolutionary war unit.
   50. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:07 AM (#4317512)
Hornets is a specific reference to a revolutionary war unit.


Where unit is a code word for ...


EDIT: And who knew it was revolutionary. :)
   51. Booey Posted: December 05, 2012 at 12:39 PM (#4317622)
I hope it's just an indirect way for New Orleans to become the Jazz again. Utah can pick up the Hornets.


Pfft. If that's their plan, New Orleans can suck it! ;-)
   52. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: December 05, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4317771)
Pfft. If that's their plan, New Orleans can suck it! ;-)


Nah, they can have the name if they give up the Unibrow.
   53. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 02:15 PM (#4317782)
Up above a poster referred to "Hack a Big Whining Baby." I assume that means Howard. What is it about him that makes him so unlikeable?


Perhaps this plays into the perception.
   54. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 05, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4317811)
I hope it's just an indirect way for New Orleans to become the Jazz again. Utah can pick up the Hornets.


Close, but Utah is the Beehive State not the Hornethive State.
   55. Booey Posted: December 05, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4317832)
Nah, they can have the name if they give up the Unibrow.

Deal!
   56. andrewberg Posted: December 05, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4317860)
From YR's link:

Look at Dwight after the Lakers lost their second straight game to open the season. From Kevin Ding at the OC Register:

"It'll all come together at the right time," Howard said late Wednesday night in the locker room after the Lakers got blown off the court in Portland.

Before that, Howard turned on some pleasant music so he could groove in front of his locker while he got dressed, his teammates all already long gone to the bus. Before that, he asked a Lakers staffer if hitting his free throws meant he could have his Halloween candy. Then he asked again. And again.

Before that, Howard mooned a TV cameraman whom he suspected of having his camera on while Howard had his underwear halfway down. Howard responded by sticking his rear end farther out, saying: "I've got a wide shot for you." And he giggled.

The season's less than a week old and Lakers writers are already tired of this ####.


Cracked me up for how stupid it was.
   57. andrewberg Posted: December 05, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4317877)
Klosterman on Spurs-Stern issue.

Interesting take. Short version- If pro sports are really just about which team is better, then there is no reason for them to have so much cultural importance. Pure entertainment has to enter into the equation pretty heavily. It is probably the best reason for Stern's side that I have heard so far. Stephen Fatsis made a pretty similar argument on Hang Up and Listen podcast too.
   58. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: December 05, 2012 at 06:45 PM (#4318161)
I think I'll like the Pelican nickname if this happens:

?@ZachLowe_NBA
Picture it: A Pelican mascot dive-bombing from the arena ceiling into an inflatable pool at midcourt, coming out w/ enemy mascot in mouth.
   59. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 05, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4318251)
Bryant's 13 points from the 30,000-point milestone, and he'll probably get it tonight. I just don't know if I can stand watching the Lakers tonight.
   60. andrewberg Posted: December 05, 2012 at 09:12 PM (#4318258)
KG and Jeff Green are crushing the Wolves so far. What a cruel practical joke.
   61. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 05, 2012 at 09:37 PM (#4318268)
I was totally wrong about Ryan Anderson. He's not a nice complimentary player, he's Kevin Love Lite.
   62. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4318280)
there's a good two part interview w wolves color man jim petersen somewhere online
if only anderson were getting to the line like love. regardless, kinds of a shame that the pelicants' best two dudes are pfs.
   63. Spivey Posted: December 05, 2012 at 10:36 PM (#4318289)
Milwaukee and San Antonio are playing a fun game.
   64. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4318300)
17 point game with 3 minutes left. Bryant and Howard are still in the game. I know last night was awful, but they really should sit.
   65. andrewberg Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4318305)
I don't think Davis will be a power forward in two years. Dwight Howard played the four his rookie year next to Kelvin Cato and Tony Battie and he was essentially a 4 at that point. He is going to gain weight naturally and will likely develop more of a post game. My opinion anyway.
   66. Spivey Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:20 PM (#4318306)
The Bucks just got screwed on a Larry Sanders double block.
   67. andrewberg Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:26 PM (#4318310)
I was totally wrong about Ryan Anderson. He's not a nice complimentary player, he's Kevin Love Lite.


I'm a huge fan Ryan Anderson and I think he will be a very good starter for years, BUT... Jamison was guarding him and he shot 5/8 on threes. Nobody is really as good as they look on their best day.

I'm not being defensive about Love; he isn't even playing very well since coming back from his hand injury too early. Just want to put his accomplishments in context.
   68. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:35 PM (#4318314)
mine too on mr. brow, andrew.
re anderson: i prefer the dirk lite comp some have put forth.
   69. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:45 PM (#4318317)
I'm a huge fan Ryan Anderson and I think he will be a very good starter for years, BUT... Jamison was guarding him and he shot 5/8 on threes. Nobody is really as good as they look on their best day.

He was averaging 18 and 8 with like a 60TS% before this game.
   70. Spivey Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:48 PM (#4318321)
Part of the reason why I think the Spurs bench shouldn't be held against them in regards to playoff aspirations is their bench can bury your starters. It was a tie game in the 4th quarter and then the Spurs bench went crazy the first 6 minutes of the 4th against most of the Milwaukee starters.

Gary Neal and Splitter had really good games.
   71. Maxwn Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:51 PM (#4318323)
He was averaging 18 and 8 with like a 60TS% before this game.

Yeah, all the stuff in post 67 seems like why the qualification lite was added in 61. If he did what he did tonight every night he wouldn't be Kevin Love Lite, he'd be Kevin Love.
   72. andrewberg Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:51 PM (#4318324)
He was averaging 18 and 8 with like a 60TS% before this game.



And I think he can keep that up, just not go for 31 on such sharp shooting except in unique situations.
   73. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: December 05, 2012 at 11:59 PM (#4318328)
And I think he can keep that up,

So...wouldn't that kind of sort of make him something like a Kevin Love-lite?
   74. andrewberg Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:05 AM (#4318332)
So...wouldn't that kind of sort of make him something like a Kevin Love-lite?


Fair enough.
   75. Maxwn Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:12 AM (#4318337)
I don't know, the more I think about it, the more that seems like maybe a Kevin Love Ultra or possibly Kevin Love 64.
   76. Booey Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:16 AM (#4318339)
So...wouldn't that kind of sort of make him something like a Kevin Love-lite?


Not until he does what Love did in post 17...

Chauncey Billups given a flopping warning for Monday's game.
   77. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:21 AM (#4318344)
I can't believe how badly Odom missed that 3-on-1 layup. He looks done.
   78. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:23 AM (#4318346)
Crawford-to-Jordan is going to make tonight's highlight reel.
   79. Maxwn Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:27 AM (#4318347)
I can't believe how badly Odom missed that 3-on-1 layup. He looks done.

If so that is almost unbelievable. He was basically as good or better than he'd ever been in '10-'11 and then boom, toast.
   80. Booey Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:30 AM (#4318352)
If so that is almost unbelievable. He was basically as good or better than he'd ever been in '10-'11 and then boom, toast.


I notice Kris Humphries has also taken a step backwards...

Damn Kardashians.
   81. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:32 AM (#4318354)
If so that is almost unbelievable. He was basically as good or better than he'd ever been in '10-'11 and then boom, toast.
I know! I thought last year might have just been an aberration, fully expected him to be a solid contributor this year. Easy 3-on-1 dunk opportunity, and he couldn't even get off the ground.
   82. Maxwn Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:36 AM (#4318356)
Maybe he just doesn't give a #### anymore. That seems like the most plausible explanation.
   83. Booey Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4318599)
30,000 point club:

Wilt Chamberlain
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
KARL MALONE!!!!!!
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant

(subtle, subliminal homerism added for effect)


Has Kobe ever appeared in a movie? Wilt was legendary in Conan, Kareem had Airplane, Malone had an embarrassing cameo in the gawdawful Soulplane, and MJ of course is of Space Jam fame (infamy?).

Too bad Shaq didn't reach 30,000. He'd have been the most "accomplished" film "actor" of them all.
   84. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4318710)
Part of the reason why I think the Spurs bench shouldn't be held against them in regards to playoff aspirations is their bench can bury your starters. It was a tie game in the 4th quarter and then the Spurs bench went crazy the first 6 minutes of the 4th against most of the Milwaukee starters.

I'd say there's a bit of a difference between Milwaukee's starters in December and say the Thunder or Lakers (uh) starters in May and June.

EDIT: Upon re-reading, this comes across as more sarcastic than I intended.
   85. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4318721)
Too bad Shaq didn't reach 30,000. He'd have been the most "accomplished" film "actor" of them all.

Kareem is obviously the best based solely on his work in Airplane, Game of Death, and Baseketball.
   86. Famous Original Joe C Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4318727)
Part of the reason why I think the Spurs bench shouldn't be held against them in regards to playoff aspirations is their bench can bury your starters. It was a tie game in the 4th quarter and then the Spurs bench went crazy the first 6 minutes of the 4th against most of the Milwaukee starters.


What Moses said. Big difference between Milwaukee and a top 4 or 8 team.
   87. robinred Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4318737)
Long analytical Grantland piece on Kobe Bryant's shots, misses, and what they mean to the Lakers' "offensive ecosystem" by Kirk Goldsberry:

LINK
   88. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4318745)
The Bucks are on the outside looking in at the playoffs, as of today. Only teams, IMO, they could possibly pass are either Chicago, Indiana or Philly, but all 3 of those teams are missing their best players (who should all play by the end of the year). The actual order of the East can change, but I'll be shocked if any of the current 8* miss (shocked would also encompass a future season wrecking injury).

OTOH, I don't see the West looking anything like the current** version. I'd bet on 3 of the 8 right now not making it.

*For posterity, today it's NY/MIA/ATL/CHI/BKN/PHI/BOS/IND.

**MEM/OKC/SAS/LAC/GS/HOU/UTA/LAL
   89. andrewberg Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4318834)
Kareem is obviously the best based solely on his work in Airplane, Game of Death, and Baseketball.


Yes. Absolutely. There is no debate about that.

OTOH, I don't see the West looking anything like the current** version. I'd bet on 3 of the 8 right now not making it


Hoping the Wolves can sneak in. They are keeping their collective head above water with all of these injuries. Getting Love back at about 80% has helped, but without Rubio, AK, and Budinger (not bothering to count Roy), they are still scuffling. I am hoping they can get in a better rhythm in about a month when Rubio and AK are back and getting used to everyone.
   90. robinred Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4318856)
Excerpt from Goldsberry--see what berg thinks:

By neglecting to evaluate the contrails of offensive rebounding events, we shortchange our understanding of the game. Take, for example, the game's best pure rebounder, Kevin Love, who has recently become a more prolific 3-point shooter. However, when Love takes a 3-point shot he is obviously not in a great rebounding position. As a result, Love's 3-point attempts elicit fewer offensive rebounds and Kobe Assists than those of his teammates. Over the past two seasons, the Wolves have rebounded their own 3-point misses 26 percent of the time. But this number for Love is 20 percent — it's 30 percent for Luke Ridnour. So, while looking at the surface of field goal percentage, Kevin Love seems to be a decent 3-point shooter, but when we examine the sequential nature of the Timberwolves' 3-point shooting his attempts are less efficient than many of his teammates.



So, seems like that even though Love is a great rebounder, this means that you might want a guy who is good on the OGlass out there with him.
   91. andrewberg Posted: December 06, 2012 at 03:24 PM (#4318876)
So, seems like that even though Love is a great rebounder, this means that you might want a guy who is good on the OGlass out there with him.


Yeah, that's a good point. He obviously draws the defender out with him, and strictly looking at OREB% does not account for the value of taking the other big away from the rim. Strictly from a rebounding perspective, though, Love is always better than whoever is guarding him, so that's a net loss on the boards.
   92. Jimmy P Posted: December 06, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4318921)
On a completely different topic, I've watch a bit of college basketball this year and it is horrible. If teams get into the 50's and 60's it's a minor miracle. I don't know what they can do, but the NCAA really needs to correct this.
   93. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: December 06, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4318929)
Shorten the shot clock.
   94. smileyy Posted: December 06, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4318939)
A 30-second shot clock would be a start. I think NCAA Men's Basketball has the longest shot clock of...pretty much every basketball organization, everywhere?

My general feeling is that men's college basketball has embraced the notion that the 15-20' jumper is a really poor shot -- probably because most players can't reliably hit a long 2. So possessions are more oriented around getting a good look at the rim, or an open 3. And when those aren't available, you get 35 seconds of teams trying to do that, and ending up with a bad 3, or a crappy off-the-dribble chuck at the rim.
   95. jmurph Posted: December 06, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4318953)
My primary interest in college basketball in the past few years is just watching (and actually being able to understand) the varying styles of play, because I agree that the overall quality is pretty damn low. Georgetown's offense, Syracuse's zone, Boston College running the flex, etc, that stuff is fun to watch, and, for me at least, much easier to understand than the stuff NBA teams run.
   96. GregD Posted: December 06, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4318969)
I agree. I can't imagine why anyone would think it would help the NCAA to be more like the NBA. I can't imagine anything that would sabotage its popularity more. It has fans because it represents its own thing; if it stopped that, it would be just AAA baseball outside of the Ohio River/Tobacco Road regions.
   97. just plain joe Posted: December 06, 2012 at 05:06 PM (#4318996)
Pelicans was the long-time nickname of the New Orleans minor league baseball team. That team was the Pelicans from the beginning of the old Southern Association until they moved to Little Rock after the 1959 season.
   98. smileyy Posted: December 06, 2012 at 05:27 PM (#4319022)
I can't imagine why anyone would think it would help the NCAA to be more like the NBA.


Yeah...its nowhere near capable of doing so. I think the question is more of "How do the rules help or hinder the creation of a quality product." For me, long shot clocks enabling long bad possessions, foul limits and charge rules come immediately to mind as reasons I don't find college basketball as enjoyable as I could.
   99. ASmitty Posted: December 06, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4319028)
Yeah...its nowhere near capable of doing so. I think the question is more of "How do the rules help or hinder the creation of a quality product."


The three point line is far too close, IMO. Despite the fact that the players are smaller and less athletic than NBA players, the court seems smaller and more congested. Forcing shooters out deeper would probably help a good bit.
   100. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 06, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4319030)
I find fast play more enjoyable than slow play (in general), especially since you can have faster play and good defense (just less standing around which is boring)
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