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OT - NBA Thread (2018-19 season kickoff edition)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom knew the old thread would get closed, thus detracting from what this site is really about: the baseball playoffs, maybe?

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 05, 2018 at 03:43 PM | 477 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:26 PM (#5764259)
Bleacher Report @BleacherReport 25m25 minutes ago

Jimmy Butler took "all the 3rd stringers" and beat the starters in practice, per @DarthAmin
   202. aberg Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:41 PM (#5764265)
beat the starters


Mind you, that includes Rose and Wiggins.
   203. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:46 PM (#5764269)
Butler yelled at Layden that he hated Rose in Chicago and why the hell was he there? Oh my.
   204. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:47 PM (#5764270)
Butler yelled at Layden that he hated Rose in Chicago and why the hell was he there? Oh my.

OH
MY
GOD
   205. jmurph Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:50 PM (#5764274)
What's the extremely charitable version of this that doesn't point to Thibs being completely irresponsible for allowing this to happen?
   206. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5764276)
OK, I want to amend what I said earlier. My love of soap operas has revived my interest in the Wolves for this year.
   207. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:53 PM (#5764278)
There isn't one?
I don't blame Butler for wanting to force his way out of town* but, man oh man, he does not come off looking good here. Thibs/Hayden look bad. Taylor looks bad. Everything is bad.


* i subscribe to the he wants a max offer that the wolves won't offer him camp, fwiw.
   208. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:56 PM (#5764281)
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn 4m4 minutes ago

A lot of Minnesota players left Timberwolves practice today energized by Butler's performance, mesmerized with him taking end-of-the-bench players and running the table on the regulars, sources said. At the end, he marched out like if a mic drop. Butler delivered a tour de force.


If the players think that, today's even worse for the Wolves and Thibs that I thought possible.

I guess Jimmy realized he can't just no-show without losing money/risking his FA, so he's doing his best to try and speed up the trade and make sure the team tells him to stay away. Brilliant.
   209. Fourth True Outcome Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:57 PM (#5764283)
I think the thing that has been fascinating me about this TWolves soap opera is how it confirms what we thought about everyone involved. Jimmy Buckets is a very good basketball player and also an #######. Thibs is willing to burn down the world to get the defense he wants. KAT and Wiggins are talented paper tigers. (KAT may evolve beyond this; Wiggins almost certainly will not) Glen Taylor is meddling but incompetent. My goodness.
   210. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:59 PM (#5764284)
Jeff Teague: voice of reason! Derrick Rose: still on the team, for some reason!
   211. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: October 10, 2018 at 04:59 PM (#5764286)
what is going on why did it have to happen like this
   212. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:01 PM (#5764287)
I think the thing that has been fascinating me about this TWolves soap opera is how it confirms what we thought about everyone involved. Jimmy Buckets is a very good basketball player and also an #######. Thibs is willing to burn down the world to get the defense he wants. KAT and Wiggins are talented paper tigers. (KAT may evolve beyond this; Wiggins almost certainly will not) Glen Taylor is meddling but incompetent. My goodness.

I think KAT is better than that but yeah.
   213. jmurph Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:04 PM (#5764291)
* i subscribe to the he wants a max offer that the wolves won't offer him camp, fwiw.

People have reported/speculated it was the renegotiate and extend that he wanted and couldn't get, because of their cap situation. Which he should have known? That's the part I don't get. Maybe it was essentially a wild demand he know they couldn't deliver, just as a pretense for demanding a trade?
   214. Fourth True Outcome Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:04 PM (#5764292)
I think KAT is better than that but yeah.

Yeah, I couldn't decide how to phrase that to capture my feelings about both KAT (unicorn, needs to improve defensively) and Wiggins (lost cause) together. Should've split them up, I guess.
   215. RJ in TO Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:06 PM (#5764294)
Butler yelled at Layden that he hated Rose in Chicago and why the hell was he there? Oh my.
This is going to be the greatest season ever.
   216. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:13 PM (#5764299)
I wonder how badly Butler would have trounced the starters if he'd been sober?
   217. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:45 PM (#5764327)
On the way home the mostly sane sports talk radio guys (love analytics etc) were openly calling for Thibs to be fired for "presiding" over this mess.
   218. Fourth True Outcome Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:51 PM (#5764338)
A three-step, half-baked theory on how the Wolves might best resolve this:
1) Fire Thibs
2) Make Butler coach
3) Make KAT GM but forbid trading Butler.

Butler and KAT will have to work together, and have incentive to stick around. Wiggins might get so frustrated with it that he asks out, or retires to walk the Canadian wilds. What could go wrong?!?
   219. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: October 10, 2018 at 06:36 PM (#5764363)
The Clips should buyout Wes Johnson (only a slight giveback) who should then sign with Houston.
   220. JJ1986 Posted: October 10, 2018 at 06:37 PM (#5764364)
People have reported/speculated it was the renegotiate and extend that he wanted and couldn't get, because of their cap situation. Which he should have known?
They talked about this on Dunc'd On last week. He could have gotten near his max renegotiate after the trade, before they signed Teague and Gibson.
   221. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: October 10, 2018 at 06:48 PM (#5764371)
The Butler stuff today has been amazing. This is pretty ####### wild and doesn't help his trade value, but makes me both like him and think he's crazy and questionable to build around. I still think he should get the max.
   222. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 10, 2018 at 07:20 PM (#5764385)
I wonder what would have happened if the team refused to sign Wiggins to the max and told Butler he was their guy.

I guess it doesn't matter any more. Oh well.
   223. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 10, 2018 at 07:34 PM (#5764390)
After today's events I kinda think this whole thing was less about Butler wanting paid and more about Butler really sincerely hates Wiggins and KAT.
   224. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: October 10, 2018 at 07:47 PM (#5764396)
Butler’s interview with Rachel Nichols I believed him when he said he likes the players. I think he’s so emotional and competitive that they may not like him. Also he wants the max.
   225. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: October 10, 2018 at 08:11 PM (#5764405)
my guess is still that it's about the money. it's always about the money...unless it's about the women.

   226. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 10, 2018 at 08:20 PM (#5764408)
After today's events I kinda think this whole thing was less about Butler wanting paid and more about Butler really sincerely hates Wiggins and KAT.

I could not disagree more.

...

In other news, the Bulls are bringing jabari off the bench, even with markkanen out.
   227. maccoach57 Posted: October 10, 2018 at 08:32 PM (#5764411)
I was very wrong about Paul/Harden, so with that caveat included, I'm not sure Harden/Paul/Butler works on offense.


There are very few situations in the NBA in which awesome talent doesn't work. If Houston actually gets Butler, I am confident that they will win 60 or so games and be good enough to really worry Golden State again.

I think Boston should be favored in the East.
   228. tshipman Posted: October 10, 2018 at 08:34 PM (#5764412)
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
All-Star aberg participated in the BTF preseason NBA thread today, a session that included him verbally challenging posters, admins and lurkers, BTF sources told ESPN. Berg was vociferous and emotional at times, targeting Moses Taylor/Der-K/Spivey/Stiggles. Story soon on ESPN.


Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
At one point in the thread, sources said, Berg turned to Der-K and screamed, "You (bleeping) need me. You can't post without me." Berg left random people on the internet and his family largely speechless. He dominated the thread in every way. Aberg's back.

   229. maccoach57 Posted: October 10, 2018 at 08:38 PM (#5764414)
   230. maccoach57 Posted: October 10, 2018 at 08:42 PM (#5764417)
228--

Lowe mentioned this when he was doing his NBA message board tiers. With Berg, we are a solid playoff message board. Without him, we are very borderline. As the first poster of the thread back in 2009, I should probably be banned for presiding over this mess. But OTOH we did sign Der-K to a supermax posting deal, and we won't be paying Berg $40M to post in 2024, so there's that.
   231. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: October 10, 2018 at 09:03 PM (#5764421)
Most mind blowing thing I learned this month: Scott Layden is a GM??? What did he do between the Knicks and this gig?
   232. jmurph Posted: October 10, 2018 at 09:04 PM (#5764422)
I do like the idea of berg specifically going after lurkers, that would be good. "Show yourselves, cowards!"
   233. jmurph Posted: October 10, 2018 at 09:05 PM (#5764423)
Most mind blowing thing I learned this month: Scott Layden is a GM??? What did he do between the Knicks and this gig?

Become friends with Thibs, apparently.
   234. tshipman Posted: October 10, 2018 at 09:06 PM (#5764424)
Lowe mentioned this when he was doing his NBA message board tiers. With Berg, we are a solid playoff message board. Without him, we are very borderline. As the first poster of the thread back in 2009, I should probably be banned for presiding over this mess. But OTOH we did sign Der-K to a supermax posting deal, and we won't be paying Berg $40M to post in 2024, so there's that.


Losing KP for nothing is going to be the equivalent of this upcoming Butler trade.
   235. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 10, 2018 at 09:30 PM (#5764434)
Bulls officials confirm that legendary coach Tex Winter passed away earlier today at age 96. This April 1998 day I spent with Tex remains a favorite career memory: trib.in/2A2uVov
   236. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: October 10, 2018 at 10:16 PM (#5764445)
Trae Young just drained one from the logo to beat the Spurs, 130-127. This guy's going to be a lot of fun.
   237. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: October 10, 2018 at 10:52 PM (#5764450)
First 5 minutes of this LAL-GSW has convinced me that LeBron is going to make this work.
   238. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 11, 2018 at 12:49 AM (#5764470)
Ball and Rondo actually look good together on the floor. Not enough shooting with them both out there, but the ball is really moving. Sometimes too much, but it's better than the alternative.
   239. JC in DC Posted: October 11, 2018 at 06:54 AM (#5764488)
I wonder what Pat Riley could do with that Minnesota team?
   240. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: October 11, 2018 at 09:19 AM (#5764498)
I wonder what Pat Riley could do with that Minnesota team?

I think people forget how good they were when Butler played, but they were 37-22 IIRC, which is a 51 win pace. Throw in a fair amount of roster changes last year they were dealing with, they were in the West, with legitimate stars. I think they are a 50+ win team, more than that if Wiggins would even become average. I think with any stable leadership (and a max contract for Butler) they'd be considered in that second or third tier of outside contenders.
   241. maccoach57 Posted: October 11, 2018 at 09:27 AM (#5764502)
237/238:

Yes, last night was a fun game for Lakers fans, even though it was preseason.
   242. maccoach57 Posted: October 11, 2018 at 09:29 AM (#5764503)
240:

Yep. If I ran Minnesota, I would consider simply not trading Butler. Easy to say from the outside, but with Butler, Minnesota is good.
   243. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: October 11, 2018 at 09:57 AM (#5764513)

Yep. If I ran Minnesota, I would consider simply not trading Butler. Easy to say from the outside, but with Butler, Minnesota is good.


The fact that Butler showed up, said in the Nichols interview he was showing up today too - this seems to be much more of a viable plan. It seems like they're strongly considering this.

The next couple of days should be interesting.
   244. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 11, 2018 at 10:06 AM (#5764517)
Said before, will say again, they should be trying to trade Wiggins instead. If possible they should move Wiggins for a big expiring contract or two, then they can max out Butler, and with a lot more ball to go around offensively and Butler paid maybe, maybe, he and KAT can patch it up. Then Minnesota has a path to contending in the next few years. Trade Butler for 20 cents on the dollar and keep Wiggins, and they don't.

Of course I have no idea whether there's a sucker out there willing to take Wiggins' contract who also has the big expiring(s) Minnesota would need back. But there could be. It should at least be considered.

That's also assuming Butler would actually be willing to play in Minnesota (as opposed to L.A. or New York or Miami) as long as he gets paid, which we don't know, but we haven't definitively heard he isn't, either.
   245. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2018 at 10:20 AM (#5764526)
The fact that Butler showed up, said in the Nichols interview he was showing up today too - this seems to be much more of a viable plan. It seems like they're strongly considering this.

The next couple of days should be interesting.

Chris Hine @ChristopherHine 10m10 minutes ago

The Timberwolves canceled their previously scheduled practice for today, which means no media availability.


Jimmy is trying to force their hand. They've said all along Thibs wants to keep him, but if Butler is going to do everything he can to completely undermine and ruin the team from within, they really will have to trade him. At least, that's what he hopes.
   246. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5764562)
In other news, the Bulls are bringing jabari off the bench, even with markkanen out.

Bulls played their best preseason game yet - offense and defense - and Parker left after the game without talking to reporters. Also, reporters are saying Hoiberg is already considering scrapping any attempts to play Jabari at SF. Another great signing!

   247. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 11, 2018 at 11:07 AM (#5764576)
I'm not familiar with the NBA's rules about this kind of thing, but is there a point at which the Timberwolves can just suspend him for Conduct Detrimental to the Team or whatever?

I mean obviously, rationally, if your options are trade him for whatever pupu platter you can get or suspend him and do nothing, rationally you choose the former. But this situation might spin beyond the reach of rationality.

The Bulls are an example of a team I would call and see if they might be interested in taking Wiggins' contract.
   248. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2018 at 11:30 AM (#5764587)
The Bulls are an example of a team I would call and see if they might be interested in taking Wiggins' contract.

Lopez (expiring) and Asik (1 more year $11mil; he's not playing but is an ex-ThibsBull) works. Parker can't be traded until 12/15, but him plus some small contract (Valentine or Blakenly, or even Holliday) would work.

I'm only talking about under the cap, not whether I'd be interested in that or how terrible it would be to reunite LaVine and Wiggins.
   249. aberg Posted: October 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5764610)
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
All-Star aberg participated in the BTF preseason NBA thread today, a session that included him verbally challenging posters, admins and lurkers, BTF sources told ESPN. Berg was vociferous and emotional at times, targeting Moses Taylor/Der-K/Spivey/Stiggles. Story soon on ESPN.


Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
At one point in the thread, sources said, Berg turned to Der-K and screamed, "You (bleeping) need me. You can't post without me." Berg left random people on the internet and his family largely speechless. He dominated the thread in every way. Aberg's back.


Lowe mentioned this when he was doing his NBA message board tiers. With Berg, we are a solid playoff message board. Without him, we are very borderline. As the first poster of the thread back in 2009, I should probably be banned for presiding over this mess. But OTOH we did sign Der-K to a supermax posting deal, and we won't be paying Berg $40M to post in 2024, so there's that.


This all tracks. Come at me, Der-K.

Canceling practice today seems like a prelude to a trade.
   250. jmurph Posted: October 11, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5764614)
Interesting LeBron tidbit from this Windhorst story:
On the first day of practice in Cleveland in 2014, James halted the proceedings and took everyone into the locker room to run a players-only meeting where he described the role each player on the team would be expected to play. Coach David Blatt waited on the practice court for James to dismiss the team.
   251. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5764641)
This piece is really about Jeannie Buss and Lebron, but this jumped out at me:

There was a non-fictional inspiration fueling her decision-making process, too, one that was far more personal for Jeanie: Her ex-fiance’ and former Lakers coach, Phil Jackson, who won five of his record 11 titles with Bryant at his side. Jeanie had learned from Jackson’s mistakes in New York, where he took that job as the head of the Knicks front office in March of 2014 and was fired three years later after, as she saw it, he fell prey to the internal politics that have plagued that franchise for decades.

“He should’ve made sure (to control) who was surrounding him, because the people close to you will take the knife and put it in your back,” she continued. “And so, I had not thought of it that way (with the Lakers situation). I was trying to do the least amount of change.”


Yeah, it was the internal politics that did him in there. Totally.
   252. jmurph Posted: October 11, 2018 at 01:13 PM (#5764647)
Yeah, it was the internal politics that did him in there. Totally.

I'm starting to think this is used too much in a lot of places to defend bad personnel decisions.
   253. GregD Posted: October 11, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5764650)
Yeah, it was the internal politics that did him in there. Totally.
What? You think it was going 80-166? Never finishing in the top ten in the East? Feuding with their only valuable player?
   254. maccoach57 Posted: October 11, 2018 at 01:31 PM (#5764667)
I think an interesting long-form article could be written comparing/contrasting Jim Buss's and Phil Jackson's failed stewardships of the Lakers and Knicks.
   255. Tin Angel Posted: October 11, 2018 at 01:32 PM (#5764669)
What? You think it was going 80-166? Never finishing in the top ten in the East? Feuding with their only valuable player?


True, but if D-Rose and Noah had stayed healthy...
   256. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: October 11, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5764675)
True, but if D-Rose and Noah had stayed healthy...

Super team.
   257. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: October 11, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5764700)
Come at me, Der-K.

In keeping with the narrative, I'll limit myself to nervously chuckling, mumbling an empty platitude or two, then grumbling to my agent offline.
   258. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: October 11, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5764712)
I really just want to know if the rumors about an aberg/Moses/Thibs love triangle are accurate.
   259. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: October 11, 2018 at 02:50 PM (#5764721)

The Bulls are an example of a team I would call and see if they might be interested in taking Wiggins' contract.


Maybe the Bulls would like to trade for all the ex-Bulls that Thibodeau signed but are apparently making Butler less happy rather than more happy.
   260. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: October 11, 2018 at 02:54 PM (#5764725)
I just can't help but cackle at the thought of Thib's heart breaking when he heard Jimmy rage at Layden for signing Rose.
   261. jmurph Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:01 PM (#5764730)
This story is crazier every day:
Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
Timberwolves All-Star Jimmy Butler called a players-only meeting today, airing his feelings toward situation and management, per league sources. Butler expressed to players he would compete with them, as signs pointing to him staying with the franchise into the regular season.
   262. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:03 PM (#5764732)
Way too late with this reply, but whatever, I've been busy.
TOR and BOS are more experienced than the sixers and they should be better, but simmons and embiid are the only unicorns that would play in either series.

I know the term "unicorn" means whatever its user wants it to mean, but by the sort-of-standard definition of "able to handle traditional big man duties, especially anchor a defense as a center, and able to handle traditional guard duties on offense, especially three point shooting", how does Al Horford not qualify? The term is generally only used with recent draft picks, but that's just sloppy thinking.

I'm definitely coming from a contrarian place here—in actual usage, "unicorn" is more about how a player makes you feel than about how they play, and I only actually care in the most petty, homeric ways—but still, show me the lie: http://bkref.com/tiny/BX2lX
   263. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:11 PM (#5764737)
I used to sports dislike Jimmy Butler for being the blandest player in the Top 15/20 guys in the league and now...I love him?

And how can anyone NOT love the Lakers?
   264. jmurph Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:15 PM (#5764742)
I have no idea how this will play out, but if the rest of the Wolves rally around the guy who has trashed them to their faces and in the press and doesn't want to play with them anymore? I don't know.
   265. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5764744)
So the Wolves cancelled practice, but Jimmy still had them all show up so he could yell at them more?

EDIT: And they came and listened???
   266. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:17 PM (#5764745)
This is totally amazing.
   267. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:21 PM (#5764749)
I used to sports dislike Jimmy Butler for being the blandest player in the Top 15/20 guys in the league and now...I love him?

First Thibs, then aberg, now you? Leave me and Jimmy alone.
   268. jmurph Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:22 PM (#5764751)
EDIT: And they came and listened???

This is from yesterday. AFTER THE PRACTICE:
Keith Smith @KeithSmithNBA
Neither Towns nor Wiggins confronted Butler. Wiggins dapped him up as he left. Towns delivered a message to the team that seemed empty.
   269. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:32 PM (#5764756)
Right, and then he trashed them both openly in that ESPN interview:

Butler: Everybody has to be honest, again, but everybody has to have winning as their No. 1 priority. Everybody [should feel that] winning is all that we’re worried about.

Nichols: Did you feel that that wasn’t the case with everyone?

Butler: Yeah. It was. It is. And I think that’s the part that everybody doesn’t see. But I’m gonna be honest. I’m not gonna say no names, but imma be honest. If your No. 1 priority isn’t winning, an people can tell? That’s the battle. Now, there’s a problem between people because that guy’s No. 1 priority is winning and that guy’s isn’t. Of course they’re gonna clash, like, ‘I’m doing this for the team. Are you?’ ‘Ehh.’ Exactly. So, that’s where the disconnect is.

Butler: “KAT. KAT came at me. We’re up in practice and he said, “Anybody can get this work!” I said, “Do it to me.” That’s all that I said. I said, “Every time I get switched out onto you, you pass it.” I’m a competitor, I’m in here talking, come at me. If you score on me, I’m gonna tap you on your butt. You got the best of me -- but you got to do it every time.”

Butler: Who’s the most talented player on our team? KAT. Who’s the most god-gifted player on our team? Wigs. Wigs got the longest arms, the biggest hands, can jump the highest, can run the fastest. But like who plays the hardest? Me. I play hard. I play really hard. I put my body on the line every damn practice. Every day in the games. That’s my passion. That’s how I give to the game. That’s how I give to you guys.


After all that, they're still there listening? Today. On an unscheduled off day.

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania 52m52 minutes ago

Sources on @TheAthleticNBA @WatchStadium: Several players spoke up in players-only meeting, but Butler led it, made known his issues with management. His message was similar to one he displayed Wednesday: I run this. He's far too competitive to sit real games.


Word is he beat KAT/Wiggins/Taj/Rose/Teague with Deng/Nunnally/Terrell/TFTIO. They keep coming back for more.
   270. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:34 PM (#5764758)
He is a howling madman.
   271. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:35 PM (#5764760)
Word is he beat KAT/Wiggins/Taj/Rose/Teague with Deng/Nunnally/Terrell/TFTIO. They keep coming back for more.

I mean, in a six minute scrimmage at the end of practice. But still.
   272. jmurph Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:37 PM (#5764761)
This seems like the ideal situation for young players (who are collectively owed more than a quarter of a billion dollars) to develop. IDEAL.
   273. jmurph Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:42 PM (#5764767)
The plot thickens!
Jeff Teague @Teague0
@ShamsCharania it wasn’t no players meeting you just made that up bro y’all gotta relax with this fake news
   274. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:43 PM (#5764770)
Calling it FAKE NEWS means it's true.

Also
NBA on ESPN @ESPNNBA 21m21 minutes ago

Jimmy Butler confirmed to @Rachel__Nichols that he held a players-only meeting with Timberwolves players on Thursday, a day after he reported to the team for his first practice.
   275. jmurph Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:50 PM (#5764771)
The best version of reality would be if Butler just made it all up and told stories about a fake meeting to Shams and Rachel Nichols.

EDIT: Or maybe he just called in Wiggins and Towns to further berate them?
   276. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:53 PM (#5764774)
He should start showing up at their houses and yell at them from outside, too. Show up at restaurants where they're eating, various clubs, etc.
   277. Fourth True Outcome Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:53 PM (#5764776)
Deadspin just put out the only NBA preview any of us need, Which NBA Team Is Most Like Your Favorite NBA Team?
   278. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5764778)
Chris Hine @ChristopherHine

Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor (who also owns the Star Tribune) declined comment when reached by the Star Tribune.


hehehe
   279. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5764779)
This is amazing.
   280. jmurph Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:58 PM (#5764780)
278: feel bad for whichever reporter had to make that call.
   281. aberg Posted: October 11, 2018 at 04:35 PM (#5764797)
I'm so confused by everything. I don't have any analysis or a response because I have no idea what is going on.
   282. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 11, 2018 at 04:37 PM (#5764799)
I have no idea what is going on either, but I think we can be pretty confident that Minnesota has got spectacularly incompetent management all the way up and down. How the hell did it get to this?

I feel bad for the few Wolves fans I know (mostly in this thread) but for the uninvested they sure are entertaining right now!
   283. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 11, 2018 at 04:53 PM (#5764816)
I feel bad for the few Wolves fans I know (mostly in this thread) but for the uninvested they sure are entertaining right now!


No worries, one some level it is pretty entertaining to us as well. I mean sports is just entertainment, right?
   284. aberg Posted: October 11, 2018 at 05:02 PM (#5764820)
I mean sports is just entertainment, right?


It would be nice if there was some let-up, from McHale to Kahn to Flip dying to this. But you're right that it's good theater.
   285. jmurph Posted: October 11, 2018 at 05:04 PM (#5764822)
Oh man, even famously nice Gorgui Dieng has lost it:
Gorgui Dieng @GorguiDieng
Replying to @DaneMooreNBA
Keep my name out of your mouth. You always talk about me. If you want this money suit up then.

(It was just a thread about how difficult it would be for the Wolves to get far enough under the cap to do the renegotiate and extend that Butler wanted.)
   286. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: October 11, 2018 at 05:41 PM (#5764834)
"You ####### need me! You can't win without me!"

"Sir, this is an Arby's."
   287. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2018 at 05:45 PM (#5764836)
Greatest preseason of all time.
   288. maccoach57 Posted: October 11, 2018 at 05:59 PM (#5764841)
287,

Nah.

2003-04:
The following day, Lakers scout and former teammate Brian Shaw mediated between a furious O'Neal and Bryant. Shaw reprimanded O'Neal for yelling "Pay me" at Buss after dunking during a preseason game
.

2002-03:
O'Neal was sidelined with hallux rigidus, a degenerative arthritis in his toe.[61] O'Neal could have had surgery on his toe early in the summer (which would have allowed him to return to playing sooner), but he decided to wait and have the surgery performed not long before the Lakers' pre-season training camp began. He said, "I got hurt on company time, so I’ll rehab on company time."[62]


"Shaq-Kobe Feud" has its own Wiki page. I am gathering data for the "Der-K-Aberg Feud" page and will be contacting ESPN about a 30-for-30.

   289. maccoach57 Posted: October 11, 2018 at 06:10 PM (#5764847)
If Minnesota fans can detach and be relaxed about it, then they are better fans than I was/am. By the time O'Neal and Bryant starting dumping on each other in public for real, they had put three banners on the wall at Staples. Minnesota has not even won a playoff series with Towns and Butler, and this is going on. So if I rooted for Minnesota, I would be pretty frustrated by this.

OTOH, this could all sort of blow over and Minnesota could end up keeping Butler and having a good year. But again, that is easy to say from my keyboard in SoCal. Actually playing with Butler and being around him all the time after this...very different, obviously.
   290. aberg Posted: October 11, 2018 at 06:18 PM (#5764851)
Who’s the most prolific poster on our thread? Stiggles. Who’s the most god-gifted poster on our thread? Der-K. Der-K got the most logical takes, the best projections, can get his point across in the fewest words, can emotionally detach. But like who posts the hardest? Me. I post hard. I post really hard. I put my keyboard on the line every damn thread. Every day in the newsblog. That’s my passion. That’s how I give to the game. That’s how I give to you guys.
   291. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: October 11, 2018 at 06:32 PM (#5764855)
[290] RDF.
   292. jmurph Posted: October 11, 2018 at 06:58 PM (#5764865)
Reasonably sure I'm just the Cole Aldrich of the thread.
   293. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: October 11, 2018 at 07:56 PM (#5764899)
jmurph, I have you down as more of a Kelly Olynyk. Goofy looking and unskilled but more valuable than most people realize.
   294. tshipman Posted: October 11, 2018 at 08:34 PM (#5764923)
Who’s the most prolific poster on our thread? Stiggles. Who’s the most god-gifted poster on our thread? Der-K. Der-K got the most logical takes, the best projections, can get his point across in the fewest words, can emotionally detach. But like who posts the hardest? Me. I post hard. I post really hard. I put my keyboard on the line every damn thread. Every day in the newsblog. That’s my passion. That’s how I give to the game. That’s how I give to you guys.


This makes me happy.
   295. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: October 11, 2018 at 10:58 PM (#5764956)
Apparently the Wolves and Heat almost had a Butler deal over the weekend, to the point where they exchanged medical information on the players, and then Thibs tried to get more and Riley called him a ############.
   296. Tin Angel Posted: October 11, 2018 at 11:15 PM (#5764961)
Apparently the Wolves and Heat almost had a Butler deal over the weekend, to the point where they exchanged medical information on the players, and then Thibs tried to get more and Riley called him a ############.


I'm going to be shocked if Thibs makes it through the year.
   297. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: October 11, 2018 at 11:48 PM (#5764963)
URL in 295 shortened due to ############.

If that one doesn't work, try this one.
   298. JJ1986 Posted: October 12, 2018 at 07:27 AM (#5764978)
That's a ####### awful trade for the Wolves, though.
   299. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 12, 2018 at 09:08 AM (#5765003)
You mean we got that close to having Waiters and Wiggins on the same team and getting to see the first jump ball between teammates ever? Damn you, Thibs!
   300. TFTIO's onanism is a process Posted: October 12, 2018 at 09:54 AM (#5765033)
I mean, I don't want Waiters, but I would make that trade for the Wolves, to get Richardson.
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