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Friday, October 05, 2018

OT - NBA Thread (2018-19 season kickoff edition)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom knew the old thread would get closed, thus detracting from what this site is really about: the baseball playoffs, maybe?

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 05, 2018 at 03:43 PM | 3682 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   2201. aberg Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:55 AM (#5787319)
MIN will pay teague, wiggins and dieng 62MM next season. i'm pretty sure dumping any of them would not have made you worse than alienating and subsequently dumping butler.


And you probably have to attach a useful player and/or a future first to trade any of them. Jones would be gone. They wouldn't have had money to sign Tolliver. You would be going into the year with Wiggins, Butler, Towns, Rose, Gibson, and minimum contract players, and no way to add to that core other than a MLE that would take them deeper into the tax.

I don't know, I mean I imagine most of us would agree with the following statements:

* I want to make more money, and
* I want my company to succeed


PASTE pretty well covered it, but pro sports (especially with a salary cap and rules associated with it) put those two things in a unique juxtaposition.

Also, recall that the dispute was never over whether Butler was worth the max; it was whether the team should dump enough salary to renegotiate and extend him. The Athletic went into the details of what a renegotiation would look like here. Suffice to say, there is no version of it that would make the Wolves better than if Butler signed a 5-year max after this season.
   2202. billyshears Posted: November 14, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5787337)
I would be surprised if Nkilitina doesn't turn out to be useful, but against all evidence, I still think he can shoot. If he can shoot, he's at least a 3 and D guy (maybe not at the point). As JC points out though, Nkilitina is quite young, and PGs take time,so I wouldn't write that off yet. He's big enough and long enough that if he improves his vision and learns to use his size, he can succeed as a PG without the wiggle. If it turns out he really can't shoot, he could end up being pretty useless.
   2203. JC in DC Posted: November 14, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5787347)
I don't see Frank as a wing, that's what I meant: if he succeeds in the NBA, it'll be as a PG. If he can't play PG, I don't see him succeeding. I really want NY to drop the Burke, Baker, Mudiay, experiment, and commit to Frank. The skills are there. He needs the confidence that comes with playing and succeeding. With being told: shoot or drive anytime you have it. The herky-jerky PG stuff he's experienced does him no good.
   2204. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 14, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5787355)
here's a fun one (June 16, 2015):
people want to pile on the sixers, but if i was a player, i'd trust their medical staff a hell of a lot more than i'd trust cleveland's.
   2205. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 14, 2018 at 12:48 PM (#5787368)
which player would you rather have:
player A (20 years old): 10 PTS, 3 REB, 5 AST, 35/29/92
player B (36): 21 PTS, 4 REB, 8 AST, 48/33/70
player C (20): 13 PTS, 6 REB, 5 AST, 41/31/58
player D (23): 17 PTS, 4 REB, 4 AST, 41/29/75

(stats are per 36 minutes)
   2206. jmurph Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5787380)
In unsurprising news:
Michael Lee @MrMichaelLee
Jimmy Butler will start vs ORL, along with Ben Simmons, Joel Embiid, Wilson Chandler & JJ Redick. The Markelle Fultz starting experience is effectively over but Brett Brown is adamant that MF, "did nothing wrong" & has full support of "our program."
   2207. . . . . . . Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5787389)
I would be surprised if Nkilitina doesn't turn out to be useful


Sure, but "useful" isn't a great outcome for where he was picked. I eyeball the median outcome for a 7thish pick as . . . Charlie Villanueva? Frank isn't tracking to be as valuable as that, IMO.
   2208. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5787396)
Jimmy Butler will start vs ORL, along with Ben Simmons, Joel Embiid, Wilson Chandler & JJ Redick. The Markelle Fultz starting experience is effectively over but Brett Brown is adamant that MF, "did nothing wrong" & has full support of "our program."
wow. i wonder if the league will fine/suspend him for that.
   2209. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5787397)
Sort of in-between some of the Frank views here. He doesn't have great wiggle, but he does have some wiggle (0:21, 3:16, 3:31). He just...mostly operates without aggressiveness and isn't really tring to get anywhere on the court or to take a shot. I'm not a coach, but I feel like someone like that is the last person you want to bench for making mistakes. Rather, that's a person you really need to build up and encourage to be as aggressive as possible, take bad shots, and make risky passes. "Useful" is a likely floor just because of his defensive ability, but with his age/size/flashes I still see some upside.
   2210. JC in DC Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5787402)
NJ: I think you and I are on the same page on him. I really, really am drawn to him and want him to succeed. When he plays like he did against GSW, I see future borderline AS. But, he's just so passive sometimes. I agree about the psychology: he needs to be freed from ideas he's on some leash or he's some experiment. He's a PG. Let him run the point. BTW, totally selfish, but if you want to see my daughter's range, check this out (~1:25): deep!
   2211. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5787403)
BTW, totally selfish, but if you want to see my daughter's range, check this out (~1:25): deep!

That's a nice looking shot.
   2212. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:57 PM (#5787417)
BTW, totally selfish, but if you want to see my daughter's range, check this out (~1:25): deep!

Nice! I "chaperoned" my toddler's daycare city bus outing today that ended with playtime at the park. Couldn't help but laugh at how upset she got that the other toddlers were kicking the basketball rather than passing/shooting/dribbling it. My brainwashing is working.
   2213. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5787420)
JC: Frank at PG reminds me a teeny bit of Diaw at PG. (He's a pretty different guy than Diaw - it's the passiveness. Anyway, moving him off the point unlocked some things for him on offense.)
Yes he's young, but Frank has been really bad on offense thus far in his career - enough to make him below replacement in PER, WS, and a few other metrics. I think he's better than that sounds, but he's not a lock to get to "useful" and highly unlikely to sniff "all-star".
   2214. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5787422)
Nice! I "chaperoned" my toddler's daycare city bus outing today that ended with playtime at the park. Couldn't help but laugh at how upset she got that the other toddlers were kicking the basketball rather than passing/shooting/dribbling it. My brainwashing is working.

Peanut (3.5 yrs) loves basketball, by which she means passing the ball. She hates watching teams that shoot -- "Daddy, why aren't they sharing the ball?"
   2215. JJ1986 Posted: November 14, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5787427)
My almost-2-year-old has a little basketball that she liked to pass around, but she got to big for that and made me trade so now she has an NBA-sized basketball and I have a little one.
   2216. Booey Posted: November 14, 2018 at 02:32 PM (#5787455)
Jimmy Butler will start vs ORL, along with Ben Simmons, Joel Embiid, Wilson Chandler & JJ Redick. The Markelle Fultz starting experience is effectively over but Brett Brown is adamant that MF, "did nothing wrong" & has full support of "our program."


wow. i wonder if the league will fine/suspend him for that.


Heh. That was my thought too. I mean, I get that Fultz has been frustrating, but calling him a motherf***er seems a bit harsh.
   2217. Tin Angel Posted: November 14, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5787463)
A Lakers fan on Reddit:
Would you guys give up Ingram, Kuzma and a first for AD or is that considered an overpay?


   2218. Master of the Horse Posted: November 14, 2018 at 02:55 PM (#5787468)
2217--Saw that. Hilarious.
   2219. JJ1986 Posted: November 14, 2018 at 02:56 PM (#5787469)
I'm assuming he meant Andre Drummond.
   2220. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: November 14, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5787472)
Ah, how good it is to drink from the ever-renewable spring of loss aversion and exposure biases. See also: me right after the Kyrie trade, me right after the Pierce/Garnett trade, me evaluating every proposed Rozier trade, etc etc etc etc etc etc (etc).
   2221. jmurph Posted: November 14, 2018 at 03:06 PM (#5787476)
Man, people are really trying to make this Draymond/Durant thing happen. I'm skeptical, but I guess we'll see.
   2222. smileyy Posted: November 14, 2018 at 03:11 PM (#5787480)
Given how well Chandler seems to be working out, Andre Drummond wouldn't be a bad pickup for the Lakers.
   2223. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: November 14, 2018 at 03:39 PM (#5787494)
The main problem seems like it would be the opportunity cost of Drummond's contract. A huge, bouncy lob threat next to LeBron/Ball/Rondo sounds like a great fit, and the dominant defensive rebounding would fit pretty nicely too, given how aggressively the Lakers have been looking to get out in transition.
   2224. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: November 14, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5787497)
dominant defensive rebounding would fit pretty nicely too
Stick around at baseballthinkfactory dot org for more insightful analysis like this, which only applies to literally every team in the sport of basketball.
   2225. aberg Posted: November 14, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5787499)
Stick around at baseballthinkfactory dot org for more insightful analysis like this, which only applies to literally every team in the sport of basketball.



Whatever it takes to drive traffic in a post OTP world.
   2226. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 14, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5787502)
Man, people are really trying to make this Draymond/Durant thing happen. I'm skeptical, but I guess we'll see.
there's a lot of smoke there.


durant is eligible for the 5/220MM megamax contract if he resigns with GSW this summer.
OTOH, he could go year to year again with a new team, until he's eligible for that 5 year megamax contract again in another 3 years.
OTOOH, if GSW trades him at the deadline, they would get a huge return, plus cap relief, plus they reduce the likelihood that durant joins up with lebron in LA, plus durant would have the option to lock in a 220MM pay day.

on a related note:
2171. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 13, 2018 at 06:34 PM (#5786922)
trade machine: who says no?

PHI: kevin durant, andre iguodala
GSW: jimmy butler, jj redick, markelle fultz
   2227. Rally Posted: November 14, 2018 at 03:58 PM (#5787503)
The main problem seems like it would be the opportunity cost of Drummond's contract. A huge, bouncy lob threat next to LeBron/Ball/Rondo sounds like a great fit


Yeah, the contract is the problem. Drummond would be a good fit taking the lobs from Lebron. But JaVale McGee gives you 90% of the production for a tenth of the price.
   2228. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: November 14, 2018 at 04:48 PM (#5787531)
   2229. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: November 14, 2018 at 04:51 PM (#5787534)
Whatever it takes to drive traffic in a post OTP world.


I love the NBA thread. I was thinking about stay/go and right now Basketball thread, Daily Dugout, and OT Culture are all that is left. But still enough. If everyone else here steps up their game I mean ;)
   2230. Tin Angel Posted: November 14, 2018 at 05:51 PM (#5787569)
Wow, is Max Kellerman annoying. Used to like him on boxing but all of those hot takes have warped him. Interrupting Zach constantly like he's Skip Bayless.
   2231. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 14, 2018 at 06:01 PM (#5787577)
oh, one more thing about this:
Michael Lee @MrMichaelLee
Jimmy Butler will start vs ORL, along with Ben Simmons, Joel Embiid, Wilson Chandler & JJ Redick. The Markelle Fultz starting experience is effectively over but Brett Brown is adamant that MF, "did nothing wrong" & has full support of "our program."

i would have used a fultz/redick/butler/simmons/embiid starting lineup for the next 2 or 3 weeks, just on the off chance it may actually work. that lineup would maximize the sixers' dribbling and passing abilities and it would give the players the chance to sort out their own pecking order.
   2232. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 14, 2018 at 06:39 PM (#5787592)
sixers tweeter is doing things again:
@AvikarSaini
My guess is that Fultz suffered an injury to his Long Thoracic Nerve. It innervates the Serratsu Anterior (side of chest) which functions in 2 main ways: 1) Raising the arm >100 degrees and 2) Holding the scapula in place
https://twitter.com/AvikarSaini/status/1062162512395661312

@ryyndynyyls
Late last night I was reading @rich_hofmann's recent Miami game recap on @TheAthleticPHI, which goes over the painful Fultz free throw in detail. In the comments section, I see this reply by "Nick W." (let's find him). It references a post by a physical therapist from 2/14/18.

@ryyndynyyls
So, uh, I guess TL;DR would be, who is Gregory Chaplin, and why did he suddenly cover all traces of a theory that he'd been pushing for 9 months literally overnight? Seems like the front office may *actually* be looking into this finally?
https://twitter.com/ryyndynyyls/status/1062787285165367296
@FadeawayWorld
An Old Motorcycle Accident May Be The Cause For Markelle Fultz’s Monumental Struggles

https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/11/14/an-old-motorcycle-accident-may-be-the-cause-for-markelle-fultzs-monumental-struggles/
@RickStrom
Per @ScoopB's report re: Fultz motorcycle injury, recall Fultz's LOVE of BMX/daredevil'ing (via SI & @NBA_Reddit)
https://twitter.com/RickStrom/status/1062753932189982720
   2233. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: November 14, 2018 at 06:54 PM (#5787595)
Had the same reaction to Kellerman, big swaths of that were tough to listen to
   2234. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: November 14, 2018 at 07:38 PM (#5787601)
Kellerman was awful. He treated it like First Take. Pretty sure my ears were bleeding.
   2235. nick swisher hygiene Posted: November 14, 2018 at 07:59 PM (#5787604)
So I’m reading espn and the Lakers are getting a story praising them for contributing $150,000 for the fire victims and I’m thinking:

150K?

the Los Angeles Lakers?

Isn’t that, like, an order of magnitude too low?

   2236. JC in DC Posted: November 14, 2018 at 08:34 PM (#5787608)
So, NY has given up on Frank. That's the only way of explaining moving him to the second team with Hezonja, Kanter, Dotson, and Trier. There is literally no defensive help on any screens or anything. Awful.
   2237. PJ Martinez Posted: November 14, 2018 at 09:04 PM (#5787618)
"Who's going to tell Ben Simmons that he's the Bosh now?"
   2238. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 14, 2018 at 09:27 PM (#5787623)
Butler answered a question about fitting into the team’s offense with: “Offense is easy. You shoot the ball when you’re open. When you can drive it you drive it. If you’re not, you pass it.” Later: “If I gotta spend countless of my hours shooting trey balls, I’ll do that.” Fultz and Ben Simmons, infamously, do not follow that first tenet of easy offense, and Simmons seems to have made few strides improving his jump shot in the years since he was drafted first overall.

Perhaps Butler mentioned those jumpers more directly than he did Towns’s and Andrew Wiggins’s defense last summer in the hopes that shooting won’t become a similar sticking point, but given that Simmons seemingly shoots with the wrong hand and Fultz is dealing with an unprecedented case of shooting malfunction and just fired his personal trainer, challenging them to shoot more probably won’t bare much fruit
   2239. maccoach57 Posted: November 14, 2018 at 10:03 PM (#5787639)
   2240. maccoach57 Posted: November 14, 2018 at 10:05 PM (#5787640)
Krzyzewski is running Duke like Calipari has always run Kentucky now, pretty much.
   2241. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: November 14, 2018 at 10:27 PM (#5787654)
Wiggins just threw down a dunk with the added bonus of kicking Mirotic right in the happy zone.
   2242. Tin Angel Posted: November 14, 2018 at 10:31 PM (#5787655)
Utah...not having a good night.
   2243. jmurph Posted: November 14, 2018 at 10:31 PM (#5787656)
Wiggins just threw down a dunk with the added bonus of kicking Mirotic right in the happy zone.

I'm all in* on the post-Butler Wolves. F that guy.

*I'm not saying they'll actually be great or anything, I'm just pulling for them more. I wish they'd can Thibs now, though, get it over with.
   2244. jmurph Posted: November 14, 2018 at 10:33 PM (#5787658)
And yes on Kellerman being terrible on the Lowe Post. I don't know why I subjected myself to that.
   2245. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: November 14, 2018 at 10:39 PM (#5787659)
Butler answered a question about fitting into the team’s offense with: “Offense is easy. You shoot the ball when you’re open.


And Dion Waiters and Andrew Wiggins, my friends, are 7-Eleven: they're always open.
   2246. spivey Posted: November 14, 2018 at 10:40 PM (#5787660)
Really nice win by Memphis against the Bucks tonight in Milwaukee. With Memphis and the Clippers looking like they may actually be good, and the Kings being ok, there are going to be some good teams looking in on the playoffs.

Milwaukee is "only" 10-4, but still really happy with how they've been playing. They're still doing great in point differential/SRS. They're only 1-3 in games decided under 10 points, so pretty easily could have an even better record. Their offense is going to be elite all year long.

Only downside is Memphis, who takes the 3rd fewest 3s in the NBA, was 14-36. They really allow a lot of 3s and that can be exploited by playoff quality teams (though, to be fair, they've got a 6-4 record against teams I consider playoff quality, which also is a lot of games against good teams). They seem like they will feast on the teams that don't have premier shooting.
   2247. spivey Posted: November 14, 2018 at 10:41 PM (#5787661)
Utah and Houston are both on notice as possibly missing the ####### playoffs if they don't get their #### straight.
   2248. spivey Posted: November 14, 2018 at 10:46 PM (#5787665)
Also, Paul George and Steven Adams are really good at basketball. Hell, Schroder had 12 assists tonight. I don't think Paul George gets enough love here. I also have a special place in my heart because he re-established himself post-gruesome injury and he didn't just go to the Lakers like everyone said he would.
   2249. tshipman Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:07 PM (#5787668)
Utah and Houston are both on notice as possibly missing the ####### playoffs if they don't get their #### straight.


Do you really think that this is true?

I mean, I kinda agree that Houston is in trouble. Harden is doing his usual mail it in act after he has a good season, and Chris Paul decided to get old fast. Their defense looks rough, and likely to remain rough, and their offense looks like a lot of guys played over their heads last year. I think they still make the playoffs, but they are starting to enter the danger zone. They've more than earned their record so far.

I don't think Utah is in the same category, even after tonight's shellacking. Unless Gobert gets hurt, I think Utah is a good team and likely to win 45+.

I will say that it's possible for the conventional wisdom to not be shifting fast enough. Everyone still seems to feel like Houston is fine, but there's a lot of cracks.
   2250. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:11 PM (#5787669)
Tonight was interesting for the Bucks because they dusted off Thon to anchor a switching defense and it brought them back from a big deficit in the late third/early fourth. Then they farted it away by missing a bunch of free throws, the Grizz making a few big shots, and some pretty bad officiating.
   2251. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:17 PM (#5787672)
trade machine: who says no?

HOU: jimmy butler, justin patton, patrick patterson
PHI: james harden, nerlens noel, jerami grant, michael carter-williams
OKC: wilson chandler, mike muscala
   2252. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:25 PM (#5787674)
I don't think Utah is in the same category, even after tonight's shellacking. Unless Gobert gets hurt, I think Utah is a good team and likely to win 45+.


That might not be enough to make the playoffs.

If a team wanted to secretly tank with the new lottery odds, playing Ricky Rubio would be a good way to do it. And I mean the state already named a national park after Zion.
   2253. tshipman Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:36 PM (#5787681)
trade machine: who says no?

HOU: jimmy butler, justin patton, patrick patterson
PHI: james harden, nerlens noel, jerami grant, michael carter-williams
OKC: wilson chandler, mike muscala


Okay, I get Harden, Noel and Jerami Grant.

Why are you trying to pick up MCW? He's on a minimum so it can't be salary.
   2254. tshipman Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:50 PM (#5787684)
What is Brandon Ingram's trade value?

Could the Lakers realistically pick up Brad Beal with Ingram as the centerpiece?
   2255. SteveF Posted: November 15, 2018 at 12:29 AM (#5787689)
Could the Lakers realistically pick up Brad Beal with Ingram as the centerpiece?

I think Ingram's trade value probably varies quite a bit from organization to organization. I can see why an organization might want him and anticipate a breakout. I can see why another organization might think he won't get that much better than he already is.

Where do you land on the guy? I'm in the camp that thinks he isn't likely to get much better. He's not an efficient scorer nor is he a particularly good rebounder for a guy his size. He's not a particularly good defender. He doesn't really stretch defenses or space the floor on offense. Although he had a good percentage last year on limited attempts, and his free throw percentage doesn't suggest that he'll develop an above average 3P shot.

That said, I could look pretty stupid a few years from now. The dude is really young.
   2256. tshipman Posted: November 15, 2018 at 12:55 AM (#5787691)
Where do you land on the guy? I'm in the camp that thinks he isn't likely to get much better. He's not an efficient scorer nor is he a particularly good rebounder for a guy his size. He's not a particularly good defender. He doesn't really stretch defenses or space the floor on offense. Although he had a good percentage last year on limited attempts, and his free throw percentage doesn't suggest that he'll develop an above average 3P shot.


His instincts are all wrong. He's a good player when he has the ball, but he's awful whenever the ball isn't in his hands. He never spots up the way that good spacers do. He likes to try to post up, or break down his guy off the dribble. Like, he has a lot of talent, but all that talent gets you is a lot of mostly contested 2p jumpshots. He's playing with LeBron this year, and it's led to ... an increase in the number of 10-16 footers he takes.

On defense, he's actually pretty good, but despite his size, he's way better against small guys than big guys. It's weird, because he's not good against bigs or wings, but he's a genuine stopper against guards.

He's a super weird player, and I think he's a bad fit with LeBron. He might be good some day, but he's like a weird non-shooting SG.
   2257. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 15, 2018 at 01:10 AM (#5787692)
Okay, I get Harden, Noel and Jerami Grant.

Why are you trying to pick up MCW? He's on a minimum so it can't be salary.
come on. you've been around this thread long enough to know what's going on here...
What is Brandon Ingram's trade value?

Could the Lakers realistically pick up Brad Beal with Ingram as the centerpiece?
maybe? the wizards are not a well run franchise, so it's possible that they'd get hung up on a guy like ingram.


personally, if i was combining the lakers, sixers, bulls and wolves under 25 players, i'd rate them something like this:
tier 1: simmons, embiid, towns
tier 2: ball, carter
tier 3: ingram, hart, saric, markkanen, lavine, portis
tier 4: bonga, KCP, kuzma, wagner, smith, shamet, bolden, fultz, okogie, bates-diop, wiggins, jones, dunn
   2258. Tin Angel Posted: November 15, 2018 at 02:08 AM (#5787695)
Utah lost by 50 to Dallas. They shot 31% from the field and 17% from 3.
   2259. maccoach57 Posted: November 15, 2018 at 09:32 AM (#5787735)
Ingram: He is not going to be a big star, but I think some people are a little too down on him. He is not great at any one thing, but I think, as Hombre said, that he has a broad base of reasonable skills and will end up having a pretty good career. That said, he is neither a good fit with James, nor is he on James' timeline. I think, that as is the case with a lot of young guys who are drafted high and young guys in general, people in the fanbase (not people here, but Lakers fans in general) tend to overvalue them, and people outside the fanbase tend to undervalue them (yes, I know that shipman is a Lakers fan). Ingram turned 21 in September and Ball is still 20.

Western Conference: Golden State is mighty and powerful, and Phoenix is at the start of trying to build a decent team. Between those two teams, however, I am having a hard time sorting things out. Memphis, Dallas, and the Clippers appear to be better than I thought they would be. Houston and Utah appear to be worse than I thought they would be. Yes, it is just one game, but I would have had a hard time seeing Utah losing by 50 to Dallas, under any circumstances. San Antonio seems to be starting to struggle--Popovich can only do so much. The Lakers look about like I expected them to look.
   2260. maccoach57 Posted: November 15, 2018 at 09:40 AM (#5787737)
On another note, great night for Dwane Casey last night.
   2261. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: November 15, 2018 at 09:41 AM (#5787738)
On another note, great night for Dwane Casey last night.

I find him extremely easy to root for. I'm glad he's landed on his feet.
   2262. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 15, 2018 at 09:52 AM (#5787740)
trade machine: who says no?

PHI: bobby portis, justin holiday
CHI: tj mcconnell, justin patton

btw: the main appeal of this deal for CHI isn't tj mcconnell; it's that it would save jerry reinsdorff 3MM.
   2263. spivey Posted: November 15, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5787742)
I think Memphis still has a long and ugly rebuild ahead of them in the not distant future, but I'm excited they are having a dead cat bounce this year. A final send off for Conley and Gasol. A hell of a duo.
   2264. jmurph Posted: November 15, 2018 at 10:17 AM (#5787754)
I think Memphis still has a long and ugly rebuild ahead of them in the not distant future, but I'm excited they are having a dead cat bounce this year. A final send off for Conley and Gasol. A hell of a duo.

I regret to inform you that Conley is owed $67 million after this year.

But no really, I've been shocked by their play, good for them.
   2265. jmurph Posted: November 15, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5787816)
Caught my first long glimpse of the Bulls last night, and while it's unfair to single him out, Parker looked absolutely terrible. I still had this idea that he could at least be an all offense impact guy on a decent team, but I don't know. Small sample size and all, but he just constantly made bad decisions, bad passes, bad reads. Like he has no idea what he's supposed to do, even on offense. He's clearly talented- the box score doesn't make him look too bad, at least last night, other than the 5 turnovers.
   2266. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 15, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5787840)
how much of milwaukee's improvement is due to:
A: firing jason kidd
B: hiring mike budenholzer
C: dumping jabari parker
D: every other personnel move (lopez, ilyasova, white donte, connaughton)
E: else
   2267. aberg Posted: November 15, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5787842)
Last night was just generally weird. A bunch of teams that should be good- TOR, PHI, MIL, NO, UTA- lost to a bunch of teams that should be bad- DET, ORL, MEM, MIN, DAL. Those games are going to happen, but it's weird to have so many of them happen at the same time. Maybe Wednesdays in November are the new Tuesdays in February.
   2268. aberg Posted: November 15, 2018 at 11:53 AM (#5787843)
while it's unfair to single him out, Parker looked absolutely terrible


Have to disagree with you there. Totally fair to single him out.
   2269. maccoach57 Posted: November 15, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5787887)
2267--True, but when I look at the West from 14 (Minnesota at 6-9) to 2 (Portland at 10-4) I see a lot of possible variance. OTOH, the teams 2-7 at the moment all have positive point differentials. SAC and SA both have slightly negative point differentials, and Houston is at -3.5. The Clippers are at +4.6.

   2270. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 15, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5787921)
trade machine: who says no?

PHI: bobby portis, justin holiday
CHI: tj mcconnell, justin patton

btw: the main appeal of this deal for CHI isn't tj mcconnell; it's that it would save jerry reinsdorff 3MM.


Jerry is cheap, but I the only reason he'd make a trade like this is if he thought they couldn't resign Portis. The extension talks with him failed, but he's a RFA not a UFA.

Caught my first long glimpse of the Bulls last night, and while it's unfair to single him out, Parker looked absolutely terrible. I still had this idea that he could at least be an all offense impact guy on a decent team, but I don't know. Small sample size and all, but he just constantly made bad decisions, bad passes, bad reads. Like he has no idea what he's supposed to do, even on offense. He's clearly talented- the box score doesn't make him look too bad, at least last night, other than the 5 turnovers

His first quarter was good, but he didn't score after that. He's not good enough to make teams pay for shutting down LaVine. Carter isn't really a guy the Bulls can just give the ball to and tell him to score, so there's almost nowhere else the offense can come from if you successfully take out LaVine.
   2271. maccoach57 Posted: November 15, 2018 at 01:13 PM (#5787926)
Rondo has a broken hand and will miss some time.
   2272. aberg Posted: November 15, 2018 at 01:26 PM (#5787937)
Just for posterity, my goals for the post-Butler Wolves are:
1) play above .500 for the rest of the year.
2) get out of the bottom 5 in defensive efficiency.
   2273. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: November 15, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5787961)
Rondo has a broken hand and will miss some time.

One of my favorite LeBron things is that whenever a player on one of his teams gets hurt, no matter the role/importance of the player, my reaction is "Just have LeBron do/play [X] more."
   2274. aberg Posted: November 15, 2018 at 02:14 PM (#5787977)
Has anyone here given any thought to what happens if Primer dies? I doubt we drive enough traffic to keep the lights on for this site, but I would be extremely sad if this thread didn't exist in some form.
   2275. jmurph Posted: November 15, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5787978)
Has anyone here given any thought to what happens if Primer dies? I doubt we drive enough traffic to keep the lights on for this site, but I would be extremely sad if this thread didn't exist in some form.

That would indeed be a bummer.

I've seen Reddit suggestions elsewhere, but I don't like Reddit and also it's blocked at my workplace.

(Cut to you guys hastily transitioning everything to a Reddit thread...)
   2276. maccoach57 Posted: November 15, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5787979)
Has anyone here given any thought to what happens if Primer dies?


Have been told that OTP was hurting traffic, not driving it, and causing headaches, so I don't see BBTF dying any time soon, but if it does, I think the NBA Thread would survive in some form, although one never knows. Incidentally, if the thread and the site make it to May 2019, that will be ten years--an entire decade--of the NBA Thread, with the "10-12 Primates" meme having been posted every time a new iteration appeared.
   2277. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: November 15, 2018 at 02:29 PM (#5787985)
Has anyone here given any thought to what happens if Primer dies? I doubt we drive enough traffic to keep the lights on for this site, but I would be extremely sad if this thread didn't exist in some form.

If it comes to that, my day job is web development and it wouldn't be too hard to throw together a basic replacement site. I'm too lazy to do it preemptively, though, so let's hope that if it ever dies, we have fair warning.
   2278. aberg Posted: November 15, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5787991)
If it comes to that, my day job is web development and it wouldn't be too hard to throw together a basic replacement site. I'm too lazy to do it preemptively, though, so let's hope that if it ever dies, we have fair warning.


That would be kind of fun. Might make it easier to store our old predictions, votes, etc in an easy place.
   2279. . . . . . . Posted: November 15, 2018 at 02:48 PM (#5788001)
Is there any other place on the internet for this sort of discussion (mainly basketball, but also other sorts of topics we’d be interested in)? People always point me to reddit but between the upvote interface and cultural difference I find it both impenetrable and not nearly on the same level. Am I using Reddit wrong? It’s great for funny picture and confession threads....
   2280. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 15, 2018 at 03:09 PM (#5788018)
What is all this talk about Primer dying? Best I can tell it's the pissed off people from the politics thread assuming that thread was the only reason the site was still around.
   2281. maccoach57 Posted: November 15, 2018 at 03:24 PM (#5788032)
BTW, James passed Chamberlain on the all-time scoring list last night.
   2282. smileyy Posted: November 15, 2018 at 03:25 PM (#5788034)
OTP is dead? Hurrah, IMO.

ObNBA: Edmond Sumner dropped 35 in a G-League game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwfZVU3JeFU

I hope he gets another shot at the NBA. His 3-point shooting (well, lack of) will hurt him there. I'm not sure he ever got an official 57i66135 wiggle rating.
   2283. aberg Posted: November 15, 2018 at 03:25 PM (#5788036)
What is all this talk about Primer dying? Best I can tell it's the pissed off people from the politics thread assuming that thread was the only reason the site was still around.


That's a relief. I lurked there when there was a news story that interested me because they got into the details, but it was obviously way too vitriolic. Never really had a good idea whether it was wildly popular or just "10-12 primates" yelling at each other.
   2284. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: November 15, 2018 at 03:38 PM (#5788047)
I never posted in OTP and am sort of sad it's gone.

I post here a few times a month and would be super sad if it disappears so hopefully all's well in general with the site.
   2285. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 15, 2018 at 03:39 PM (#5788049)
berg, definitely felt like the latter to me, the rare time I'd click over. Plus, many of the people in there only seem to post there and there's years of history and grievances, kinda just like here.
   2286. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: November 15, 2018 at 03:49 PM (#5788053)
People always point me to reddit but between the upvote interface and cultural difference I find it both impenetrable and not nearly on the same level. Am I using Reddit wrong? It’s great for funny picture and confession threads....

Reddit takes some getting used to. There are a few forums over there where I'm a regular, but this is the only place online where I discuss basketball because I find that (a) I like that I "know" who I'm talking to and (b) there aren't so many posters such that the discussion moves too fast/posts get lost.
   2287. spivey Posted: November 15, 2018 at 04:02 PM (#5788059)
The thing with Reddit is you have to be logged in. There are subreddits that can have some really good conversations. I visit ones that both align with my hobbies (running, NBA, soccer) and with topics I like to read from people in the profession (like history, astronomy, etc.).

The NBA and Soccer subreddits I follow, mainly for the news stories and highlight clips. I'll scroll through and read some of the commentary but it's usually very short form - one to two sentences, and often done by kids that don't know jack ####. It's still fun enough and has become part of my daily intake, but you're not going to get a lot of the in depth conversations about specific items you get here. And even if it is done, it's often buried quickly.

I know there are other places like realgm and such that people here use, I've never tried those. I will say that until this thread was created, I seriously just figured I'd go my whole life without being able to have insightful basketball conversations with anyone. Most of my friends weren't ever really that into it, as compared to football and baseball. Not that there weren't very intelligent people who knew basketball well, they just weren't people I was accessible to have those conversations with. I've learned an awful, awful lot from all of you.
   2288. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 15, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5788073)
Has anyone here given any thought to what happens if Primer dies? I doubt we drive enough traffic to keep the lights on for this site, but I would be extremely sad if this thread didn't exist in some form.
it seems to me that this site isn't really trying to drive traffic. it's mostly just a gathering place for people who have been coming around for the last decade-plus.

i wouldn't be surprised if less traffic would actually make the site cheaper to run and more likely to last longer.

as for the cost of hosting 15 years of our drivel, that might be an issue, but it could be solved by archiving the current site offline and relaunching a new, streamlined BBTF that would look and function exactly like the current BBTF, except all content that's older than ~2 years would be stripped away (but provided via a downloadable zip file).
Have been told that OTP was hurting traffic, not driving it, and causing headaches, so I don't see BBTF dying any time soon, but if it does, I think the NBA Thread would survive in some form, although one never knows. Incidentally, if the thread and the site make it to May 2019, that will be ten years--an entire decade--of the NBA Thread, with the "10-12 Primates" meme having been posted every time a new iteration appeared.
FWIW, i didn't stop posting in the OTP threads because of anything or anyone that's in there. it's just that the real world consequences that come from people viewing politics as a game, or a sport, or as anything other than life and ####### death for the most vulnerable people in our society made that threat into nightmare fuel after 11/9.
   2289. aberg Posted: November 15, 2018 at 04:34 PM (#5788079)
FWIW, i didn't stop posting in the OTP threads because of anything or anyone that's in there. it's just that the real world consequences that come from people viewing politics as a game, or a sport, or as anything other than life and ####### death for the most vulnerable people in our society made that threat into nightmare fuel after 11/9.


Sounds like you really needed the outlet of making fake Jerryd Bayless trades.

   2290. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 15, 2018 at 05:28 PM (#5788106)
Incidentally, if the thread and the site make it to May 2019, that will be ten years--an entire decade--of the NBA Thread, with the "10-12 Primates" meme having been posted every time a new iteration appeared.


I want to thank you guys for helping to rekindle my interest in bball. It had waned in the 90s, with iso ball, especially the "Shaq bang into a guy 5 times until he can dunk" isos (YMMV), plus life such as continually increasing job pressures and trying to raise kids right. I would poke my head in here once in a while -- the GSW discussions made me curious and I was so pleased to see such passing and sharing and the overall skill level that I started looking for GSW games. And being in the Philly area, watching the Process™ was a fascinating soap opera.
   2291. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 15, 2018 at 05:33 PM (#5788108)
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn 25m25 minutes ago

Carmelo Anthony’s brief stop with the Houston Rockets is over, league sources tell ESPN. Anthony will part ways with team, although there are no immediate plans to place 10-time All-Star on waivers. Team announcement is expected before Rockets play Golden State tonight.

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn 20m20 minutes ago

For now, Anthony will remain on the Rockets roster, but will not rejoin the team, sources said. Anthony’s wisest course of action could be exercising patience and allowing changes in league rosters – through trades, injuries, team needs --- to create more playing options for him.

Bobby Marks @BobbyMarks42 10m10 minutes ago

Carmelo Anthony like most free agents signed this summer have a Dec. 15 trade restriction. Still a month away for Anthony to be moved in a deal.

Bobby Marks @BobbyMarks42 4m4 minutes ago

The rules of CBA prohibits Atlanta and Oklahoma City from claiming, signing or trading for Carmelo Anthony. Atlanta is on the list because Anthony had his contract amended back in July.
   2292. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 15, 2018 at 06:10 PM (#5788129)
fun fact:
last night was the highest rated sixers game since november 28, 2001, a game which is notable for two reasons: 1, the sixers were coming off their run to the finals, and 2, it was michael jordan's first game in PHI after coming out of retirement (again).
   2293. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: November 15, 2018 at 06:27 PM (#5788138)
So where will Melo end up? What team could he conceivably help?
   2294. Fourth True Outcome Posted: November 15, 2018 at 06:29 PM (#5788141)
Someone on twitter (was scrolling while walking the dog just now, so no idea who, sorry) called Melo a Cadillac sedan in a Tesla league, which seems about right. Is there a team in the league that needs a scorer who isn't that efficient, demands the ball, and can't defend? I expect his best offers are going to be in the media and Big 3 rather than the NBA at this point, but we'll see.
   2295. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: November 15, 2018 at 06:50 PM (#5788154)
So where will Melo end up? What team could he conceivably help?


Melo will make any team worse.

Someone will take him because he's famous, though.

You would *think* Houston will have to attach some real value to get someone to take his contract, but I won't be shocked if they don't.
   2296. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 15, 2018 at 06:54 PM (#5788156)
No, they won't. He making the minimum. They might end up releasing him, because that could make it easier for him to pick his new destination. They don't have to do that for him, but it's not like they'll get anything really worthwhile back.
   2297. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: November 15, 2018 at 07:27 PM (#5788166)
I had no idea he was making the minimum. That's... fascinating.

Anyway, the only way I'd consider wanting Melo on my team is if (a) I'm tanking, but also (b) there are no good young players on my team who would suffer from his shot seeking. And I'm not sure there's any team that fits both those critera. Especially not when you consider that he probably has zero interest in going to e.g. Cleveland or Orlando.

Comedy option: Minnesota.
   2298. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 15, 2018 at 07:33 PM (#5788170)
The Hawks bought him out after he was traded there.

Anthony will get his full $27.9 million salary for the 2018-19 season, accepting a $2.4 million reduction in his buyout with the Hawks that will essentially return to him once he signs $2.4 million veteran's-minimum deal with his new team, league sources said.

Anthony waived his no-trade clause to allow Oklahoma City to move him to Atlanta in a three-way deal with Philadelphia. Anthony has been working out with Rockets stars Chris Paul and James Harden and met with general manager Daryl Morey and coach Mike D'Antoni in Las Vegas during summer league, league sources said. The Thunder granted permission to do so once the sides decided that a parting was imminent. Anthony had also met with the Miami Heat and considered signing there.


EDIT: I'll guess Miami based on that, and his friendship with Wade.
   2299. JC in DC Posted: November 15, 2018 at 08:50 PM (#5788202)
We are rarely unanimous in our views, and yet I cannot recall anyone who thought Houston adding Melo made sense. So ..., why did Houston think it made sense? One possibility would be some "basketball performance" angle we all just didn't see that they did. Another would be a "chemistry" angle: keep Paul, Melo's close friend, happy by adding his bud. But, if it's the second reason, then why dump him so soon? Or, does winning make Paul happier than chilling with Melo? In which case, why couldn't management just point out to Melo what even morons like we saw: that old guy doesn't really add anything that helps us, and actually risks making us worse?
   2300. yo la tengo Posted: November 15, 2018 at 08:52 PM (#5788204)
The ball just moves more when Durant sits. Gotta say, I like the flow better with him down at least so far tonight
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