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OT - NBA Thread (2018-19 season kickoff edition)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom knew the old thread would get closed, thus detracting from what this site is really about: the baseball playoffs, maybe?

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 05, 2018 at 03:43 PM | 6856 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   5101. Booey Posted: January 21, 2019 at 11:53 AM (#5807311)
flip
   5102. aberg Posted: January 21, 2019 at 01:13 PM (#5807339)
Like, without Covington and Jones, the Wolves are shorthanded; they have to beat the Suns at home. Good thing they have two max players!

41 minutes, 10pts on 3-14 (1-3 from 3); 6 boards; 0 ast; 0 steal; 0 blocks. Like, what the actual ####?


He was so useless yesterday. He wasn't doing bad stuff, he just wasn't doing anything. I don't know what else to say about him.

I don't know if it's too early to start saying this kind of stuff, but I am not impressed with Ryan Saunders, either. He has overcorrected on the play-calling front. Yes, Thibs excessively scripted the offense, but now they have long stretches where they're just making it up as they go along with guys not sure where they're supposed to be on that end. When Rose and/or KAT are hot, the freelancing can work. When they're not, it produces incredibly ugly shots. He has also overcorrected on the lineup usage. They had a long stretch yesterday where the five men on the court were Jerryd Bayless, Rose, Luol Deng, Anthony Tolliver, and Saric. They also used a backcourt of Bayless and Rose for most of the last 5 minutes of a close game. The defense was bad! That wasn't hard to see coming. Part of the problem was Teague leaving with another minor injury, but it took him until the last minute to put Okogie in with Rose and they finally got the stops they needed to win the game.

The thing that struck me was that the Wolves outside of KAT really weren't any better than the Suns (with Ayton out). Granted, the 2nd best player (Roco) and top 2 PGs were also out, but that brings us back to the original point, what is the point of Wiggins?
   5103. aberg Posted: January 21, 2019 at 01:18 PM (#5807344)
Another thing- Saunders said they were going to limit Rose to 30 minutes in an individual game. He played 38 yesterday. I'm sure the explanation is that he got hot and they needed him in a close game. But if you're going to abaondon your own limits whenever it's convenient, then why do you have the limits? They're playing Luol Deng, so it's not like it's even an all-out, must-win attitude.

I am rapidly approaching the point of wanting the year to end badly enough to hire a real coach and convince the front office to do what is necessary to dump Wiggins.
   5104. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 21, 2019 at 01:47 PM (#5807357)
Bulls up early on the Cavs today, so maybe the winless 2019 goes out the window?

Jason Patt @Bulls_Jay 5h5 hours ago

If the Bulls win this game, they'll be 6-0 against the Cavs/Knicks/Suns/Hawks this season and 5-36 against everybody else.


Bulls suck, but also kinda suck at sucking.
   5105. aberg Posted: January 21, 2019 at 01:56 PM (#5807362)
I love how the NBA has made MLK day a showcase. It's a cool tribute and they do a good job of it. It's a shame that Lebron is still out for the marquee game.
   5106. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 21, 2019 at 02:20 PM (#5807372)
The return of Bruno: Rockets are signing Caboclo to a 10-day deal. He's been playing well as an undersized big in the G this year.
   5107. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 21, 2019 at 02:23 PM (#5807374)
Theis appears to be a below average defensive big

I'm not sure how this follows (even as I see your reasoning for why his d might be overrated) - he looks like a solid, mobile defender - which is also what he was expected to be. Rim defense was not expected to be his strength.
   5108. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: January 21, 2019 at 02:49 PM (#5807390)
I am rapidly approaching the point of wanting the year to end badly enough to hire a real coach and convince the front office to do what is necessary to dump Wiggins.

Yes. Ideally, it would happen before the trade deadline, so they can get value for some of their pieces. I would order the pieces as such:

UNTOUCHABLE:
Towns

BLOW US AWAY:
Covington, Saric

WILL LISTEN:
Okogie, Gibson

HE'S YOURS
everybody else except

WILL PAY FOR TRADE
Wiggins

I like Jones, but I think any point guard not in the high-usage, shoot-first mold that Thibs is so enamoured with would do as well with Towns.
   5109. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: January 21, 2019 at 03:08 PM (#5807393)
I also want Rose off this team, for non-basketball reasons, but also because you have to think that on that contract, there are some bubble playoff teams who might be willing to send something back (or take on some extra money) in exchange for him.
   5110. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 21, 2019 at 03:12 PM (#5807395)
caboclo to memphis, not houston. i'm sure the number of people who care about this is HUGE.
--
   5111. aberg Posted: January 21, 2019 at 03:13 PM (#5807396)
UNTOUCHABLE:
Towns

BLOW US AWAY:
Covington, Saric

WILL LISTEN:
Okogie, Gibson

HE'S YOURS
everybody else except

WILL PAY FOR TRADE
Wiggins


Are you putting Rose in the "He's Yours" category? He's only signed through this year. I'm pretty sure the Wolves have his Bird Rights. He has been legitimately good this year, at least offensively. I think I'd have him in "Will Listen" because he's worth more than nothing, but if I got an asset with value beyond this year, I think that will be worth more than him on his next contract.
   5112. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: January 21, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5807400)
Are you putting Rose in the "He's Yours" category? He's only signed through this year. I'm pretty sure the Wolves have his Bird Rights. He has been legitimately good this year, at least offensively. I think I'd have him in "Will Listen" because he's worth more than nothing, but if I got an asset with value beyond this year, I think that will be worth more than him on his next contract.

Yeah, I should've used better names for my tiers; they're really in order of how readily I would trade them, regardless of the return value. Basically, everybody other than Towns is trade-able; but I like the value of Okogie, Saric, and particularly Covington on a Towns centred team enough to not want to trade them.
   5113. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: January 21, 2019 at 03:23 PM (#5807406)
I like Gibson, but I wouldn't bring him back, so I'd move him down.
   5114. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: January 21, 2019 at 03:31 PM (#5807409)
This is my order of importance of the Wolves' players who are under contract past this year:

Karl-Anthony Towns
Robert Covington
Dario Saric
Josh Okogie
Keita Bates-Diop
Jeff Teague
Gorgui Dieng
Andrew Wiggins
   5115. smileyy Posted: January 21, 2019 at 03:35 PM (#5807411)
Remember when Wiggins was the next LeBron?
   5116. tshipman Posted: January 21, 2019 at 04:01 PM (#5807414)
Remember when Wiggins was the next LeBron?


I remember vividly being in Toronto, watching the Bulls wax the Raptors, a few games before the Raptors traded Rudy Gay and started their recent run.

The fans chanted the whole fourth quarter, "Tank for Wiggins".

Everything about that has aged in an amusing way.
   5117. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 21, 2019 at 05:18 PM (#5807430)
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn 26s27 seconds ago

The Houston Rockets have agreed to trade Carmelo Anthony and cash to the Chicago Bulls, league sources tell ESPN.


The Bulls have basically turned into a money launderer for the Rockets. More cash for Jerry and his Manny Machado fund!

EDIT: I'm assuming the Bulls will just waive him, but it'd be WAY funnier if they decided they wanted to play him.
   5118. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 21, 2019 at 05:18 PM (#5807431)
coke to moses
   5119. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 21, 2019 at 05:22 PM (#5807432)
5 years after they wanted him, no one's gonna beat me to this news!
   5120. aberg Posted: January 21, 2019 at 05:24 PM (#5807433)
Please play a lineup of Arcidiacono, Lavine, Melo, Parker, and Markkanen. It would make Boylen's head explode, which would be good for everyone.
   5121. aberg Posted: January 21, 2019 at 05:25 PM (#5807434)
Does anyone have an opinion on Ja Morant as a pro? I have to admit that I don't get to see as many Murray St games as I would need to form an opinion.
   5122. tshipman Posted: January 21, 2019 at 05:45 PM (#5807435)
I didn't know the road to Zion could be traveled with jab steps.
   5123. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 21, 2019 at 05:49 PM (#5807437)
Albert Nahmad @AlbertNahmad 3m3 minutes ago

Bulls netted a $700K profit when they took Michael Carter-Williams from the Rockets a couple weeks ago. Rockets still have $2.1M in tradable cash, and with only $675K (net) left to be paid on Carmelo Anthony’s contract (as of today), can easily give that much (or more) again.


I get that it's free money, but it's just so little that it amuses me. The Bulls are likely clearing nearly $100mil in profit, this is almost a rounding error for them.
   5124. spivey Posted: January 21, 2019 at 05:59 PM (#5807442)
Cleveland has a worse SRS right now than the 10-72 process 76ers did.

Der K or folks who are familiar with the G League... are they better than a G League team? Just looking at the roster and results, that's unclear to me.
   5125. KronicFatigue Posted: January 21, 2019 at 06:36 PM (#5807451)
Melo has gone from Thunder-->Hawks-->Rockets-->Bulls-->??? in under a year. Is that a record?
   5126. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 21, 2019 at 06:54 PM (#5807457)
I bet Carmelo and Jim Boylen will get along great! Best buds!
   5127. JJ1986 Posted: January 21, 2019 at 07:00 PM (#5807459)
Is that a record?
Luke Ridnour did that in like a week a few years ago.
   5128. JC in DC Posted: January 21, 2019 at 07:13 PM (#5807467)
Melo's recent sojourn looks like an NBA version of a kid's pattern game: Can you find the pattern, kids?

Knicks - Thunder - Hawks - Rockets - Bulls - ...? Where will he end up next: (1) Cavaliers, (2) Hornets, (3) Suns, or (4) Warriors?
   5129. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2019 at 07:53 PM (#5807478)
why are the pelicans wearing denver nuggets jerseys?
Knicks - Thunder - Hawks - Rockets - Bulls - ...? Where will he end up next: (1) Cavaliers, (2) Hornets, (3) Suns, or (4) Warriors?
zardos. defintely the zardos.
   5130. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 21, 2019 at 07:57 PM (#5807481)
The Cavs are considerably more talented than a G League team. You could argue that, because they aren’t trying to maximize wins (see playing Sexton) that a G League club could be competitive with Cleveland, but the many NBA caliber guys in the league are likewise spread amongst the many teams.

Put another way, AAA baseball is closer in quality to the bigs than the G League is to the NBA (thanks in part to teams’ ability to concentrate usage in some players and the broader options available internationally for marginal types don’t help here (there’s more leakage into/out of the continent w basketball than baseball and more leagues where it is worth your while to compete elsewhere / salaries are very low in the G.)
   5131. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2019 at 08:07 PM (#5807487)
@espn_macmahon
Luka Doncic joins Markelle Fultz as the only teens to get a triple-double in NBA history.
   5132. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2019 at 09:03 PM (#5807512)
harden just viciously headbutted corey brewer, an official was standing right next to them, and he just laughed at it.
   5133. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2019 at 09:05 PM (#5807513)
[5132]
and there's video.

how can i mail this jif to the league office.
   5134. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2019 at 09:15 PM (#5807517)
REVENGENCER!!!!!!!!!!
   5135. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2019 at 09:17 PM (#5807519)
REVENGERNCER PART 22222222222222!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   5136. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2019 at 09:19 PM (#5807522)
@KellyIkoNBA
Rockets losing battle of cooler heads in a hostile environment. Fans chanting “Corey Brewer”. Embiid swatting Harden at the rim. This arena is nuts right now.

it's too bad this fanbase will never recover from sam hinkie.
@Chris__Connors
James Harden has 27 at half and Philly is so obnoxious all we’re talking about is Corey Brewer

all sixers fans are 57i66135. ALL of US are 57i66135.
   5137. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: January 21, 2019 at 09:25 PM (#5807526)
Went up to Milwaukee for Bucks/Mavs today and can confirm: Luka Doncic is really good.

Also the Mavs tried the 'defend Giannis with a center' strategy and it didn't really work. Deandre was playing way off him so Giannis used the extra space to sprint at the hoop and try to jump over him, and it usually ended with a DAJ foul.
   5138. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2019 at 09:26 PM (#5807527)
[5134]
harlan: corey brewer looks like gumby.

[5135]
Joel Wobiid
Verified account
@WorldWideWob

oh #### Embiid smacks the soul out of Harden’s layup and lets him know
[5136]: including the ####### mascot (!!!)

@WorldWideWob
Franklin The Dog with the Mutombo!!!
   5139. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: January 21, 2019 at 09:32 PM (#5807529)
Harden is ####### shameless.
   5140. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2019 at 10:19 PM (#5807540)
2791. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: November 26, 2018 at 01:06 AM (#5791024)
...
if i was elton brand, i'd sign up corey brewer and willie reed. that would get some semblance of athleticism, rebounding, toughness, defense on the roster, so the sixers might not get lit up by literally every ballhandler who can shoot.
   5141. kubiwan Posted: January 21, 2019 at 10:44 PM (#5807549)
harden just viciously headbutted corey brewer, an official was standing right next to them, and he just laughed at it.

and there's video.


Said video literally has the caption "Brewer shoves Harden to the ground then flops when Harden gets up.", which seems pretty accurate to me....
   5142. tshipman Posted: January 21, 2019 at 11:03 PM (#5807550)
Said video literally has the caption "Brewer shoves Harden to the ground then flops when Harden gets up.", which seems pretty accurate to me....


I think it was a double flop.

I do enjoy that Brewer both looks and acts like a crackhead at the park playing pickup.
   5143. Booey Posted: January 21, 2019 at 11:36 PM (#5807561)
harden just viciously headbutted corey brewer, an official was standing right next to them, and he just laughed at it.


Dude...come on. Harden flopped first, but Brewer's was egregiously bad. He was literally standing above Harden just waiting to fall down at the slightest touch.

I'd have laughed too if I were that ref.
   5144. Tin Angel Posted: January 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM (#5807564)
Franklin The Dog with the Mutombo!!!


I think you have to suspend Franklin the Dog for this. Very bad boy.
   5145. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2019 at 11:48 PM (#5807565)
Said video literally has the caption "Brewer shoves Harden to the ground then flops when Harden gets up.", which seems pretty accurate to me....
Dude...come on. Harden flopped first, but Brewer's was egregiously bad. He was literally standing above Harden just waiting to fall down at the slightest touch.

I'd have laughed too if I were that ref.
(that's the joke)
   5146. tshipman Posted: January 21, 2019 at 11:49 PM (#5807566)

Dude...come on. Harden flopped first, but Brewer's was egregiously bad. He was literally standing above Harden just waiting to fall down at the slightest touch.

I'd have laughed too if I were that ref.


It did seem to bother Harden. I wonder if that might be a viable strategy--flopping egregiously to annoy Harden. Like, Harden is such a flop artiste that these lesser floppers frustrate him with their lack of devotion to the craft.
   5147. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 21, 2019 at 11:58 PM (#5807569)
Corey Brewer is on the 76ers now?!?
   5148. Tin Angel Posted: January 22, 2019 at 12:29 AM (#5807572)
Corey Brewer is on the 76ers now?!?


Yeah. Apparently Elton Brand has been lurking here.

Klay Thompson is 17-20 tonight, and 10-11 from 3. That's pretty good.
   5149. Moeball Posted: January 22, 2019 at 05:07 AM (#5807577)
In just the last month or so, the Ws have 1) set a record for most combined 3s in a game with Sacto (41), 2) broken that record a few games later with NO (43 3s for the two teams combined), 3)set a record for most 1st quarter points with 51 against Denver and 4) had the guy who is only their #3 scoring option set a record against the Lakers by connecting on every one of his first 10 attempts on 3s. It seems at times like they are just toying with the rest of the league in searching for ways to amuse themselves.

That being said, I know it's only Boogie's first couple of games back, and he's basically played ok, but he looks slow to me and he seems to be standing around a lot. I'm used to GS looking so quick most of the time and I'm not sure he'll be able to keep up with the pace. Maybe he just needs to play himself back into better shape, but I'm thinking against elite teams he may get exposed a bit. Looking forward to next weekend when they are in Boston. I think it may be a good barometer for both teams to gauge themselves.
   5150. JC in DC Posted: January 22, 2019 at 07:58 AM (#5807579)
Nice win by the Bulls last night. Knicks fans are grateful.
   5151. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 22, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5807698)
Marc Stein @TheSteinLine 14m14 minutes ago

The Carmelo Anthony trade call, I'm told, has yet to take place today because the deal sending Anthony to Chicago might have to be amended over a discrepancy involving the rights to an international player



Marc Stein @TheSteinLine 12m12 minutes ago

The trade sending Anthony from Houston to Chicago is still expected to go through today, but issues that have arisen over the proposed trade construction illustrate why the league would not execute the trade Monday without the Rockets submitting the required advance notice


This is hilarious, because none of the players in the deal will ever play for the teams they're being traded to, and the Rockets made a big stink yesterday about having to waive someone so they could play Faried last night. This is just really an elaborate ruse to get around the Rockets paying a couple more mil in luxury tax and the Bulls pocketing a couple hundred thousand bucks.
   5152. jmurph Posted: January 22, 2019 at 02:12 PM (#5807723)
So is D'Angelo Russell actually good now?
   5153. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: January 22, 2019 at 03:18 PM (#5807754)
Klay Thompson is 17-20 tonight, and 10-11 from 3. That's pretty good.

I'm sure someone else has done the work, but based on my investigation this is the best shooting game in NBA history with a minimum of 15 field goal attempts. It comes out to a 110% eFG, narrowly edging Dale Ellis's 109.4% eFG (13-16 fg, 9 3s) on April 20, 1990. If you drop the attempt threshold down to a dozen, there are a bunch of games that top it. Most recent was Marc Gasol's 11-12 with 6 3s game in Utah last March.
   5154. Booey Posted: January 22, 2019 at 04:03 PM (#5807767)
If you drop the attempt threshold down to a dozen, there are a bunch of games that top it.


What's the record for most FG attempts without a miss? I remember a 12/12 game from Malone around 2000-ish (and I'm pretty sure they said it was his 2nd one), but I know that wasn't a record even back then.

Gotta be Wilt posting up against a bunch of 6'6" white guys, right?


(Yeah, I realize I could probably just google it, but it's more fun to talk about things here)
   5155. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: January 22, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5807774)
Gotta be Wilt posting up against a bunch of 6'6" white guys, right?

Yup. He's the only guy to stay perfect on more than 14 attempts, and he did that 3 times. His best was 18 for 18.
   5156. aberg Posted: January 22, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5807775)
So is D'Angelo Russell actually good now?


If you haven't peaked at the East's morass beneath the top 5 lately, the Nets are 6th at 25-23. That puts them 4 games ahead of 9th for the last playoff spot. I'd say their postseason odds are well over 50% at this point, which is remarkable.

As for Russell, my opinion of him has always been pretty high. He has always been able to get buckets fairly efficiently. He shoots a high volume of 3s at a percentage that has bounced between average and good (if his progress to 38% this year is sticky, it changes who he is in a positive way). Looking at his shooting stats, it looks like the ratio of wide open/open/covered and catch and shoot/pull-up threes has stayed about the same, but he has taken a big jump in making "open" threes and "pull up" threes, with fits with the eye test that he's willing to dribble into an open shot if the defense gives it to him. He can run a pick and roll and has always maintained a solid assist rate without turning the ball over too much. He's below average defensively, so you have to work around that, which Brooklyn has done. He has strangley seen a pretty big decrease in FTr this year and the total number of fouls he has drawn. That probably corresponds to the uptick in 3PAs. RPM has him as the 19th best PG by rate, 15th best by volume (good offense, below average defense there, as well).

As a whole, the Nets are built around having a good offense that shoots a ton of threes and gets to the line. Dinwiddie is a good pairing for him because he has that herky-jerky off-the-dribble game that gets him to the line as a nice change of pace. Russell initiates the offense and spreads the floor well. The four guys who get the most minutes for them are the two lead guards, Jarret Allen and Joe Harris. Hollis-Jefferson and Levert play big minutes, but have been hurt. I like all six of those guys, and you can obviously build a pretty competitive team in the East around a rotation of players without any big holes, even if it lacks prime star power.
   5157. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: January 22, 2019 at 05:19 PM (#5807798)
He has strangley seen a pretty big decrease in FTr this year and the total number of fouls he has drawn.
I just saw someone on reddit point out that he's the first player in 50 years to score 70+ over two games without a single free throw attempt.
   5158. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 22, 2019 at 05:21 PM (#5807801)
Shams Charania @ShamsCharania 1h1 hour ago

Sources: Rockets and Bulls have completed trade: Carmelo Anthony, draft rights to Jon Diebler and $1.56 million to Chicago for draft rights to Tadija Dragicevoc.


Ha.
   5159. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: January 22, 2019 at 07:16 PM (#5807902)
What's the best Memphis can expect to get for Conley or Gasol?
   5160. Fourth True Outcome Posted: January 22, 2019 at 07:24 PM (#5807904)
Well, whatever happened to that third Gasol brother?
   5161. PJ Martinez Posted: January 22, 2019 at 07:56 PM (#5807926)
What's the best Memphis can expect to get for Conley or Gasol?
An expensive young guy with theoretical upside whose current team has soured on him? Like, maybe the Magic would build a trade around Aaron Gordon for Conley, e.g., in an attempt to make the playoffs this year and stabilize their team a bit. (It seems like management there is tired of missing the playoffs.)

Or maybe the Pistons or the Pelicans want to make the playoffs enough to give up a lightly protected first-round pick for Conley (who I assume has more value than Gasol at this point?).
   5162. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: January 22, 2019 at 08:10 PM (#5807941)
The Twolves have a shiny, barely used Andrew Wiggins (tm) that I'm sure they could be persuaded to part with.
   5163. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: January 22, 2019 at 08:50 PM (#5807975)
Ship Gasol somewhere then Drummond/Stanley Johnson and this year's top four protected first for Conley. Dreams can come true.
   5164. tshipman Posted: January 22, 2019 at 08:51 PM (#5807976)
What's the best Memphis can expect to get for Conley or Gasol?


Conley's got to be worth more than Gasol, doesn't he?

Gasol was bad last year, has been mediocre this year after a hot start and makes a crap-ton of money. I'm not sure I'd take Gasol for free even if I had the cap space.
   5165. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 22, 2019 at 09:49 PM (#5807997)
i think the process may have broken brett brown's brain.

he's speaking in tongues.
   5166. JC in DC Posted: January 23, 2019 at 01:41 PM (#5808221)
So, did Brett Brown break the thread? Is the league dull this year? Everyone celebrating National Pie Day?
   5167. Fourth True Outcome Posted: January 23, 2019 at 01:44 PM (#5808225)
I thought that Brown bit made sense, other than the coach jargon that I couldn't make heads or tails of, but either he was trying to snow the reporter, or he's making adjustments midseason that you'd expect an NBA head coach in 2019 to do anyway. If the weakside big man's rotations aren't designed to limit three point damage, they're wrong.
   5168. Fourth True Outcome Posted: January 23, 2019 at 02:05 PM (#5808244)
Anyone have a read on what happened with Dennis Smith Jr in Dallas? He's back and everyone seems to be saying the right stuff, but it's weird when a young player takes a "sabbatical" as it's being called. Is Luka taking the role he wanted? Was he not getting along with Carlisle? What was that about?
   5169. jmurph Posted: January 23, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5808245)
Damnit FTO, had to delete my trolly post about your Fox/Smith mistake!
   5170. Fourth True Outcome Posted: January 23, 2019 at 02:09 PM (#5808246)
Ah, sorry, I refreshed, didn't see a comment, and thought I'd gotten away with it.
   5171. jmurph Posted: January 23, 2019 at 02:12 PM (#5808248)
No I'm just kidding, I didn't even have the time to compose a trolly post, you were too quick.
   5172. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 23, 2019 at 02:27 PM (#5808255)
"sabbatical" as it's being called. Is Luka taking the role he wanted? Was he not getting along with Carlisle? What was that about?


I'm yet to see anything sourced (even anonymously) so Dallas is doing a pretty good job doing this under wraps.

My assumption unless I hear something otherwise is that Smith had gotten unhappy with the amount of ball he was seeing, had started dogging it in practice, Dallas told him 'fine, take your ball and go home', put him on the trade block, let his agent know a few days later they'd received no serious offers and he could either stay home or shut the hell up and embrace his role.
   5173. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 23, 2019 at 03:21 PM (#5808285)
Jim Boylen:

“If we are looking at free agents that don’t want to play for a competitive coach, with great experience that is going to push them are we maybe targeting the wrong guy? We want guys who are going to come in and honor what the Bulls legacy is. Tough defense, competitive people, and play the right way.”

"....We have to target the guys who want to be here. That want to be a Bull. That care about the Bulls and care about the city and the kind of basketball we want to play.”
   5174. Tin Angel Posted: January 23, 2019 at 03:25 PM (#5808287)
Is Boylen insane? He seems completely out of touch with reality.
   5175. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 23, 2019 at 03:35 PM (#5808292)
Jim Boylen is the kind of crazy I love...from afar.
   5176. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 23, 2019 at 03:37 PM (#5808293)
I'm yet to see anything sourced (even anonymously) so Dallas is doing a pretty good job doing this under wraps.
they have experience.
My assumption unless I hear something otherwise is that Smith had gotten unhappy with the amount of ball he was seeing, had started dogging it in practice, Dallas told him 'fine, take your ball and go home', put him on the trade block, let his agent know a few days later they'd received no serious offers and he could either stay home or shut the hell up and embrace his role.
can i get that agent's name? just asking for a fult-...i mean, friend.
I thought that Brown bit made sense, other than the coach jargon that I couldn't make heads or tails of, but either he was trying to snow the reporter, or he's making adjustments midseason that you'd expect an NBA head coach in 2019 to do anyway. If the weakside big man's rotations aren't designed to limit three point damage, they're wrong.
"here, watch this video of a competent basketball coach explaining how defense has changed in the last decade" isn't nearly as amusing as "his brain is melting in front of our eyes"
Is Boylen insane? He seems completely out of touch with reality.

at least he's unlikely to antagonize CHI's best player, who is a no-defense gunner, or their 2nd best player who was good enough to play at duke, and smart enough to get into harvard, or their 3rd best player, who broke a teammates face.
   5177. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 23, 2019 at 03:50 PM (#5808299)
at least he's unlikely to antagonize CHI's best player, who is a no-defense gunner, or their 2nd best player who was good enough to play at duke, and smart enough to get into harvard, or their 3rd best player, who broke a teammates face.

Tough to really say who is their best player, but it's still probably Markkanen? He tries on defense, but it's really good at it yet. I assume you're talking about Lavine first.

Boylen would be much better as a bad NCAA coach at some mid-major program who's always depending on last chance upperclassmen transfers.
   5178. spivey Posted: January 23, 2019 at 04:11 PM (#5808307)
Boylen does seem unhinged and completely lacking in self-awareness. I've heard that mentioned that he coached for the Pop Spurs when trying to understand what we're seeing here, but looking just now he started as an assistant coach at Houston during the Rudy T/Olajuwon years for quite a while, before going to college, and only did a 2 year stint at San Antonio pretty recently. It's probably safe to say he was just passing through there, and had already pretty well locked in his coaching "philosophies".

Chicago's embarrassing themselves. It'd be one thing if we knew they were replacing him in the offseason, but the fact they seem pretty comfortable rolling into next year with this is Boylen level insane to me.
   5179. Fourth True Outcome Posted: January 23, 2019 at 07:15 PM (#5808347)
Here's an hour of Tony Allen and Kevin Garnett on the Chris Vernon show. TA apparently shows up weekly (I don't know Chris Vernon one way or the other). There's a great, great story at ~51:00 of teenage Austin Rivers playing KG one-on-one, but the whole thing is great. I could listen to KG talk about almost anything.
   5180. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: January 23, 2019 at 08:05 PM (#5808364)
@wojespn
Potentially devastating knee injury for Indiana star Victor Oladpio. He was carried off on a stretcher.

Oh no.
   5181. PJ Martinez Posted: January 23, 2019 at 08:57 PM (#5808382)
"Preliminary exam has left Pacers with fear that Victor Oladipo has suffered a season-ending knee injury that will require surgery, league sources tell ESPN. He will undergo an MRI on Thursday."
   5182. spivey Posted: January 23, 2019 at 09:13 PM (#5808384)
Such a bummer for Oladipo and Indiana.
   5183. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: January 23, 2019 at 09:35 PM (#5808390)
Bulls coach Jim Boylen gave his most thorough answer to date on his philosophy with his team's 3-point shooting. In 23 games under Boylen, the Bulls are averaging 23.9 3s, which would rank last in the league. Their 36.6 percent rate would rank seventh.

Boylen, on ideal number of 3-pt attempts: "I feel in my heart that 45 might be too many for this group, but 25 isn’t enough. I don’t have a stat that correlates to, ‘If we take this many, what our chances of winning are.’ I haven’t done that. I’m sure we can figure that out."

   5184. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 23, 2019 at 09:38 PM (#5808391)
3707. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: February 09, 2018 at 01:47 AM (#5622395)
GSW can't do anything about livingston or iguodala, but they should be able to reload the rest of their bench. if the free agent market is as tight as expected, [GSW] should be one of the main beneficiaries.
7062. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 23, 2017 at 12:47 PM (#5481655)
At one point they were a respectable, if conservative, NBA FO, those days are long gone. When they found the odd Mirotic, Butler, Asik, Taj etc you could say they had some eye for talent. But not anymore. Now they have no positives as a FO, only weaknesses.
but they're not going to intentionally lose games. they're gonna lose a ton of games, every year, for half a decade or more, but it won't be intentional.
7066. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 23, 2017 at 12:53 PM (#5481665)
there is legit downside with ntilikina. we don't really know how good of a ballhandler, playmaker or shooter he is. if he can't create offense, he's only a 2 guard, and if he can't shoot, he's a poor man's tony allen.
7079. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: June 23, 2017 at 01:21 PM (#5481696)
in terms of best case scenario, fultz's upside is a souped up jimmy butler, and simmons' is a tuned down lebron.

2779. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 22, 2018 at 04:36 PM (#5611242)
I hear what you're saying, aberg, but OTOH, this is a very young team, with a very young star, and they seem quite prone to ups and downs to me. The issue, imo, is who they've got lined up to replace him. I'm no Kidd apologist, but I think he's not horrible. This has a good chance to backfire, I guess I'm saying. (You guys probably get the impression I'm a status quo guy, given my defense of Fizdale. I don't think Kidd is as good as Fizdale, but I do think status quo, in season, gets benefit of the doubt.)
i think there's a good chance kidd was the worst coach in the league. MIL has a terrible defense despite very good defensive personnel, and their offensive system is mostly just iso-giannis.

[MIL] getting a real coach [could] pay huge dividends.

   5185. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 23, 2019 at 09:43 PM (#5808393)
Well, there go the Pacers for the next five years. Damn it all.
   5186. PJ Martinez Posted: January 23, 2019 at 09:52 PM (#5808394)
Such a bummer for Oladipo and Indiana.
It sucks. Both he and the team have been really good stories the last two years -- I even thought there was a very outside chance they'd get one of the good free agents this summer. Maybe they still will, but it already seemed unlikely, and if he's out a while with an uncertain future, it's presumably a less attractive destination.

I don't think they'll suddenly be bad -- they've become pretty deep, and done well with him off the court this season. But I do wonder how long they can sustain that.
   5187. spivey Posted: January 23, 2019 at 10:03 PM (#5808398)
I don't think they'll suddenly be bad -- they've become pretty deep, and done well with him off the court this season. But I do wonder how long they can sustain that.

I agree, though their only chance to make playoff noise was him playing like a top 15 player again and that isn’t happening now (unless he’s magically not that hurt).
   5188. JC in DC Posted: January 23, 2019 at 10:23 PM (#5808400)
Whew, NY avoided a devastating win there!
   5189. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 23, 2019 at 10:26 PM (#5808401)
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


10-0 run to close the game. win by 2. is this real life? is it fantasy?
   5190. Tin Angel Posted: January 23, 2019 at 10:49 PM (#5808406)
Harden with 61 tonight on 38(!) shots. 5-20 from 3, but 22-25 from the line. That sounds awful to watch.
   5191. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 23, 2019 at 10:51 PM (#5808407)
+19 in 40 minutes with him
-15 in 8 without

He also had 15 boards and 5 steals.
   5192. Booey Posted: January 23, 2019 at 11:09 PM (#5808410)
Harden with 61 tonight on 38(!) shots. 5-20 from 3, but 22-25 from the line. That sounds awful to watch.


Harden has basically broken the game with his free throw drawing prowess. I guess it's a credit to him that he's become this good at baiting defenders into committing fouls and tricking officials into calling cheap ones...but it's just not entertaining basketball.
   5193. tshipman Posted: January 23, 2019 at 11:20 PM (#5808411)
The Rockets aren't really playing basketball. They're playing something else. Maybe it's impressive to folks, but I can't stand it.

I guess this is how you know you've gotten old.
   5194. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: January 23, 2019 at 11:50 PM (#5808413)
tonight was ben simmons 20th NBA triple double (21, 10 and 15 assists on 9/14 shooting). he is 22.187 years old and he's played 129 NBA games.

by the time lebron got his 20th triple double, he was 24.028 years old and had played 424 NBA games.
   5195. spivey Posted: January 24, 2019 at 12:01 AM (#5808414)
I also can’t really stand Houston right now without Paul and Capela. Harden is great at drawing fouls, and I’m not arguing that he doesn’t get hit on the arms a lot. But guys seem to be allowed way less contact on him when he’s driving than all of the other prominent drivers in the league. That’s my counterpoint to the Harden is great at getting fouled. He is, but the calls he gets seem different to me than the level of contact people get away with on Bron and Giannis, to pick two others.
   5196. Booey Posted: January 24, 2019 at 01:42 AM (#5808420)
Donovan Mitchell last 10 games:

30.3 ppg
.476 FG%
.427 3-pt% (on 7.5 attempts per game)

Looks like he's broken out of his sophomore slump. And not so coincidentally, Jazz are 9-2 in their last 11. An easier, home heavy stretch of the schedule has helped, of course, but tonights win vs Denver was solid.
   5197. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: January 24, 2019 at 07:37 AM (#5808427)
Boo to both Harden and Oladipo, for different reasons.
   5198. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 24, 2019 at 09:10 AM (#5808441)
Harden: this dude is taking a bag of wet trash and winning games with it. If you can't apreciate that, I don't know what to tell you.
   5199. JC in DC Posted: January 24, 2019 at 09:22 AM (#5808443)
Agree with 5198. And, add to it, we're witnessing a scoring surge from him unlike we've seen in decades. He's a master at scoring and doing other things to help his team.

That said, the biggest issue I have with any of this is not the foul-hunting, and this will reveal me as an older, grumpier, man than some of you, it's the ball-handling. What makes Harden virtually unstoppable (and the same goes for some other guys, but he's even better) is that you can hold the ball so much differently than ever, it makes it virtually impossible to get the ball away from the primary guy. It's almost impossible to force him to pass the ball because he can protect/retain it to the point of drawing a foul or getting a shot in situations where, in the past, you would have had to pass. If they want to change what he's doing to the game, I think that's where the change has to begin, because he is actually being fouled and stars have always gotten favorable whistles.
   5200. spivey Posted: January 24, 2019 at 09:27 AM (#5808444)
Harden: this dude is taking a bag of wet trash and winning games with it. If you can't apreciate that, I don't know what to tell you.


I don't think anyone is denying the value he's providing on the court, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy watching it. I also would not like an NBA where every team is running one iso-guy at the top of the key with 4 shooters around him, at least not as much as I enjoy the NBA throughout most of the aughts.
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