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Friday, October 05, 2018

OT - NBA Thread (2018-19 season kickoff edition)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom knew the old thread would get closed, thus detracting from what this site is really about: the baseball playoffs, maybe?

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 05, 2018 at 03:43 PM | 6856 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   6701. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: February 11, 2019 at 01:42 PM (#5814340)
But he's obviously good enough to be in their rotation.

No.
   6702. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: February 11, 2019 at 01:44 PM (#5814343)
I don't know where the line is either, but it's definitely somewhere clearly between AD and Kanter.

The league has been trying to crack down on this - the resting players and all that - and I think they should. I do agree there's probably too much gray area at the moment. Yet, I also sympathize with the teams as well and realize there are just going to be instances where the league and individual teams will not agree.
   6703. jmurph Posted: February 11, 2019 at 01:45 PM (#5814345)
I deeply regret posting about the Knicks!
   6704. JC in DC Posted: February 11, 2019 at 01:48 PM (#5814346)
[6703] Not as much as I regret following the Knicks!
   6705. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 11, 2019 at 01:49 PM (#5814347)
Their entire approach to the last couple years has been odd.
True that. I don't have a handle on 'em.
   6706. jmurph Posted: February 11, 2019 at 01:49 PM (#5814348)
The league has been trying to crack down on this - the resting players and all that - and I think they should. I do agree there's probably too much gray area at the moment. Yet, I also sympathize with the teams as well and realize there are just going to be instances where the league and individual teams will not agree.

Yeah I pretty much agree with this, but my point is this isn't about the league vs an individual team when you zoom out. Virtually all teams would react the same way New Orleans did to this specific situation, so I think it would be in their best interest to push back on this.
   6707. jmurph Posted: February 11, 2019 at 01:49 PM (#5814349)
[6703] Not as much as I regret following the Knicks!

Ha.
   6708. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: February 11, 2019 at 01:53 PM (#5814352)
Who was the last real high profile in season trade demand? Melo? He kept playing for the Nugs until he was dealt. I am drawing a blank on others, but I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.

I think Kawhi (he chose to stay away on his own) and PG (told them in offseason he wouldn't resign) are in different buckets, but I can be convinced otherwise.
   6709. jmurph Posted: February 11, 2019 at 01:55 PM (#5814353)
You also have to factor in the lengthy injury history, which is a significant chunk of what's at work here.

Also the tanking, I admit that complicates things.
   6710. spivey Posted: February 11, 2019 at 01:58 PM (#5814354)
Yeah, Butler played too while essentially demanding a trade.

I have to admit I initially thought AD not playing was his decision, not the team's. I guess if they know they're rebuilding there's no value in getting his wins, and he can only hurt his trade value with an injury. But I think it's good for the league that he plays, and I also think letting the star sit without repercussion gives him and the players the easy way out and additional leverage I'd rather they didn't have (while still being ok with AD requesting a trade).
   6711. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: February 11, 2019 at 02:20 PM (#5814359)
I really like the Lin pickup for Toronto, actually.
   6712. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: February 11, 2019 at 03:04 PM (#5814377)
I really like the Lin pickup for Toronto, actually.

Same.
   6713. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: February 11, 2019 at 03:05 PM (#5814379)
They need a big ball handler for the bench unit; FVV works better with another PG type.
   6714. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: February 11, 2019 at 03:25 PM (#5814385)
Allowing for the fact all the changing places and faces across the league has created a decidedly “open run” feel to the past few days of games, the Sixers gave off some real Warriors fumes. There is no place to hide a weak defender against that starting five of Ben Simmons, JJ Redick, Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, and Joel Embiid. Sixers GM Elton Brand didn’t just add an All-Star to his team, he added the perfect All-Star. Harris is low maintenance, doesn’t need a ton of touches, and is going to get really fat off relatively open looks, especially compared with what he was seeing in L.A., where he was still shooting 43 percent from behind the arc. Also? This team is ####### enormous now.
The Warriors should probably just concede now and get it over with. No, but seriously, the Bobi & Tobi–era Sixers have been pretty damn impressive. Embiid basically flossed with the Lakers’ frontcourt, and yet the feeling coming out of the 23-point blowout was not about how great some of their individuals are but how great their offense works in concert
They haven’t even begun to tap into the ballhandling that Tobias brings to the table. It all makes so much sense now. My analysis of the trade when it happened was: good player, bad trade. ...sometimes we get so deep into the weeds about asset accumulation and draft picks and young player development that we forget that adding a really good player to a really good team can be really helpful.
It’s hard to overstate the amount of turnover this franchise has seen in the past six years. Three front-office regimes, dozens of players. Hell, this is the third incarnation of the Sixers this season
the five-year plan is now a countdown to Ben’s rookie extension, when everything gets incredibly expensive. It turns out the great inflection point in Process history was the Redick signing, because it was a harbinger of things to come: If you want to move up a level, you have to bring in the talent from that level
It’s a shame that neither the Jazz nor the Trail Blazers swung for the fences at the deadline. A Mike Conley here or a Nikola Vucevic there would’ve at least made it interesting.
are you getting some San Antonio vibes from the Thunder this season? They may not play with Spursian tactical discipline or exploit on-court inefficiencies, but the way the Thunder have been able to reconstruct a conference heavyweight around two stars and a bunch of mid-to-late first-round picks and reclamation projects is really impressive
the Rockets are surviving in the West because Harden has powered their offense to a rating better than the Warriors’ in their 73-win season.
i have a child
   6715. maccoach57 Posted: February 11, 2019 at 03:30 PM (#5814390)
Stevens: I was impressed last year with the way they played through the Hayward and Irving injuries. They dropped down to 18th in ORTG but moved up to 1st in DRTG. Also, he seems to avoid saying anything that causes trouble in the media. I am big on the "praise in public/criticize in private" personnel management meme, in any field, and one thing I never liked about Phil Jackson was the in-the-media callouts. Also, I do not think that Boston's personnel, except for Irving, is all that impressive, and Irving is not Antetokounmpo, Embiid, or Leonard. So I think Stevens has shown that he is a good coach.

That said, I think between Hayward's injury and the personnel upgrades in Philadelphia, Milwaukee, and Toronto, the competition has the jump on Boston for post-season now, no matter how smart Stevens is.
   6716. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: February 11, 2019 at 03:32 PM (#5814391)
@HickoryHigh

Combing through the NBA's matchup stats and I have Marcus Smart defending centers for 133 possessions this season, on which he has surrendered a total of...

...9 points.
   6717. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 11, 2019 at 03:35 PM (#5814393)
Lin on Tor - sure. He's also pretty good at creating his own offense, which second units generally need. They'll need to hide him on D a bit, but they can do that.
   6718. maccoach57 Posted: February 11, 2019 at 03:42 PM (#5814396)
Lin and Gasol. I am now even more of a Raptors Stan. Heh.
   6719. Booey Posted: February 11, 2019 at 05:58 PM (#5814443)
It’s a shame that neither the Jazz nor the Trail Blazers swung for the fences at the deadline. A Mike Conley here or a Nikola Vucevic there would’ve at least made it interesting.


By all accounts the Jazz tried pretty hard to get Conley (to the point where it seems they just ignored everyone else they'd been rumored to be interested in; Harris, Porter, Mirotic), and it was Memphis who got cold feet. It doesn't matter if they end up making a big move this offseason instead* (since the Warriors were winning the West again this year regardless) but if they can't, then I agree that this trade deadline should be looked at as a pretty big failure. I love the current team and they really do seem to have some special chemistry - and I get that you don't want to mess with that, either - but in the end, I still think that talent usually wins out. But maybe another 2nd round exit - or even a first - is what the team needs to accept that they're not a title contender and they really do need more help, even if it means letting go of a few popular clubhouse and fan favorites. No one on the team other than Gobert and Mitchell should be untouchable.


* And I have zero confidence that they'll be able to make a big move in free agency, for all the reasons we've talked about countless times. Their best chance is to try for another Conley style trade, but now they won't have Rubio's contract as trade bait anymore.
   6720. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: February 11, 2019 at 09:11 PM (#5814485)
Clippers making Luol Deng look young again.
   6721. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 11, 2019 at 09:25 PM (#5814488)
   6722. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: February 11, 2019 at 09:47 PM (#5814495)
Nets are 20 of 40 from behind the arc.
   6723. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: February 11, 2019 at 10:08 PM (#5814499)
NBA TV is apparently running a documentary on the Larry Johnson-Alonzo Mourning Hornets on Valentines Day. I'm still not sure why Larry Johnson and those Hornets were my favorite player and team when I grew up in Utah, but I am looking forward to this.
   6724. JC in DC Posted: February 11, 2019 at 10:27 PM (#5814501)
Hardaway Jr back to being lousy tonight.
   6725. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: February 11, 2019 at 10:28 PM (#5814502)
NBA TV is apparently running a documentary on the Larry Johnson-Alonzo Mourning Hornets on Valentines Day. I'm still not sure why Larry Johnson and those Hornets were my favorite player and team when I grew up in Utah, but I am looking forward to this.
NBA JAM.
   6726. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: February 11, 2019 at 10:45 PM (#5814503)
NBA JAM.


Hmmm, growing up had only a NES until 97 or 98 when I got a N64, so I don't think it was that either. I do remember loving Larry Johnson's Grandmama commercials so maybe I was just really into inter-generational cross-dressing?
   6727. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: February 11, 2019 at 10:59 PM (#5814506)
I'm still not sure why Larry Johnson and those Hornets were my favorite player and team when I grew up in Utah, but I am looking forward to this.

Starter jackets.
   6728. spivey Posted: February 11, 2019 at 11:04 PM (#5814508)
I was also going to say NBA Jam. LJ and Zo didn’t have many weaknesses.
   6729. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: February 11, 2019 at 11:04 PM (#5814509)
Paul George had a 47 point triple double shooting 15-26 tonight.

Some of all of this is that the modern game lends itself to assists, and increased pace doesn't hurt, but there are some pretty awesome things happening in the NBA (Westbrook also had a record setting tenth straight triple double).
   6730. Howie Menckel Posted: February 11, 2019 at 11:04 PM (#5814510)
most apropos of nothing, but I got to reminiscing about 1970s NBA.

take 1976-77. the NY Nets, Spurs, Nuggets, and Pacers came aboard from the ABA.

22 teams - and ALL of them won 30 to 50 games except the 53-29 Lakers and the 22-60 Nets (no Dr. J, while Tiny Archibald and Super John Williamson combined for only 76 games, so not even Bubbles Hawkins could save them).

15 of the 22 teams won 40+ games, actually - and everyone who was .500 or better made the playoffs.

all 8 of the conference semifinalists won 44 to 53 games.

the 4 conference finalists won 49 to 53 games.

in the Finals, 49-33 Portland beat 50-32 Philadelphia.

   6731. spivey Posted: February 11, 2019 at 11:06 PM (#5814512)
Speaking of NBA Jam, Paul George is spitting fire right now. Jesus Christ he’s good.
   6732. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: February 12, 2019 at 08:16 AM (#5814530)
Who would be the best NBA Jam duo today? I don't just mean Durant/Steph, but the duo you'd have the most fun playing NBA Jam with, like you did with Zo/LJ.

It's not an easy question because no one keeps two rim-pounding bigs around anymore, in the Pace and Space era. Embiid/Simmons? PG/Westbrook? LeBron/Ingram? Blake/Drummond?

I just looked it up: the top two teammates in total dunks this year, by far, are Gobert/Favors. Simmons/Embiid (Simmons actually has more dunks than Embiid) would be second... well, they combine for fewer dunks than Giannis or Gobert has alone, but you get the idea. You would never guess what the third best dunks pairing (setting aside Giannis/any other Buck, since no other Buck dunks much, and similarly Capela/any other Rocket) is, so I'll just tell you: John Collins and Alex Len. (They're the guys who both have 8 Dunks, but also like 3 Speed, 3 Pass, 1 3PTS...)
   6733. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: February 12, 2019 at 09:31 AM (#5814557)
29-17-8 and 3 blocks. Another night at the office for Giannis Antetokounmpo.

Milwaukee was up by 8 when Giannis left the game in the fourth quarter. Chicago had whittled it down to 3 when he re-entered with 3:30 left to play. Milwaukee won by 13.

Granting this is against one of the worst teams in the NBA. But Chicago played Milwaukee tough the last time they played, too (a 116-113 Bucks win in Milwaukee). I wonder if there's anything on the tape that Chicago is doing (particularly on defense) that Milwaukee's rivals can learn from.
   6734. JJ1986 Posted: February 12, 2019 at 09:36 AM (#5814560)
Who would be the best NBA Jam duo today? I don't just mean Durant/Steph, but the duo you'd have the most fun playing NBA Jam with, like you did with Zo/LJ.
Dennis Smith Jr. and Zion.
   6735. PJ Martinez Posted: February 12, 2019 at 09:52 AM (#5814565)
I haven't read Ramona Shelburne's big Kevin Durant story, but this Deadspin takedown of it struck me as generally persuasive.
   6736. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:08 AM (#5814569)
I haven't read Ramona Shelburne's big Kevin Durant story, but this Deadspin takedown of it struck me as generally persuasive.

Digerati. Heh. On a side note, every time I go home to visit my mom in Hayward, I am shocked by how much the tech industry has transformed the East Bay. I grew up surrounded by union families and criminals (not the same thing jerks!) and now 2 bedroom shabby looking houses are going for 600k and there are sushi joints on A Street and Hesperian.

As for the players trying to become moguls...they sure seem like better dudes than our current crop of tech billionaires. I'd take my chances with LeBron, KD and Steph having that power instead. I think there's a non-significant chance they are the marks, though. I hope not.

   6737. . . . . . . Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:33 AM (#5814574)
They are the marks. It is sad.
   6738. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:36 AM (#5814576)
Who would be the best NBA Jam duo today?

Westbrook and George.

EDIT: Porzingis and Luka would also be a pretty good NBA Jam duo.
   6739. jmurph Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:45 AM (#5814578)
BREAKING (to me): Kevin Love is back? And has played in two games? I had no idea.
   6740. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:48 AM (#5814579)
Who would be the best NBA Jam duo today? I don't just mean Durant/Steph, but the duo you'd have the most fun playing NBA Jam with, like you did with Zo/LJ.

jrue/AD
kawhi/siakam
dangelo/allen
jingles/gobbert
lillard/mccollum
   6741. PJ Martinez Posted: February 12, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5814588)
   6742. Booey Posted: February 12, 2019 at 11:22 AM (#5814592)
#6740 - Pretty sure the Jazz NBA Jam duo would be Gobert and Mitchell, rather than Gobert and Jingles.
   6743. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: February 12, 2019 at 11:27 AM (#5814596)
NBA TV is apparently running a documentary on the Larry Johnson-Alonzo Mourning Hornets on Valentines Day.


Time to set the DVR. That's my all-time favorite team, so I'll do my annual link to this Mourning moment.
   6744. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: February 12, 2019 at 11:34 AM (#5814597)
Come on, this was blatantly a travel.

James Harden is reading that tweet, nodding thoughtfully, thinking, "hmmm, two steps--but they'll give me three--then lose control of the ball..."
   6745. spivey Posted: February 12, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5814607)
I mean, we all know that Beal play is legal, right? He lost control of the ball, which resets the steps. I figured that was common knowledge.

It just worked out to his advantage luckily in this case. I don't worry about players trying to exploit it and I imagine there's some sort of esoteric rule that makes it illegal to try to exploit that anyways.
   6746. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: February 12, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5814611)
Who would be the best NBA Jam duo today?

Lou Williams / Montrezl Harrell
   6747. jmurph Posted: February 12, 2019 at 12:24 PM (#5814613)
I mean, we all know that Beal play is legal, right? He lost control of the ball, which resets the steps. I figured that was common knowledge.

There's no logical reason a guy losing the ball on his own should be able to travel that far without dribbling. Also no, I don't think I knew that, (I think) I thought it had to hit the ground at some point?
   6748. jmurph Posted: February 12, 2019 at 12:56 PM (#5814621)
Also this makes that play sound like a clear travel:
Fumble:
A player who is holding the ball and fumbles it out of his control may recover the ball. If his pivot foot moves to recover the ball, he must then pass or shoot the ball. If he fumbles and recovers it without moving his pivot foot and before the ball touches the floor, he retains his status before the fumble. Therefore, when a player jumps to shoot and the ball slips out of his hands, he may recover the ball.
   6749. PJ Martinez Posted: February 12, 2019 at 01:17 PM (#5814625)
I mean, what's the difference between losing control of the ball and passing it to yourself? Couldn't you just fake losing control of the ball, as Paste suggests above? It seems crazy to me.
   6750. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: February 12, 2019 at 02:46 PM (#5814653)
Good ball fakes have always been a part of the game, PJ.
   6751. Booey Posted: February 12, 2019 at 02:47 PM (#5814655)
Yeah, I thought that steps resetting when you lose control of the ball only applies if someone else touched it. Could be wrong, but it makes more sense that way, IMO.
   6752. JC in DC Posted: February 12, 2019 at 04:59 PM (#5814689)
I thought it was a travel BEFORE he lost control of the ball, so yeah, after he lost control of the ball (which, in my judgment arises because he thinks about double dribbling) it's a frigging travel. /I'm old
   6753. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: February 12, 2019 at 08:04 PM (#5814730)
On a side note, every time I go home to visit my mom in Hayward

Surely you misspelled the name of that place there.
   6754. Thok Posted: February 12, 2019 at 08:12 PM (#5814735)
The real question is who would be the Mike Iuzzolino of NBA Jam today?
   6755. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: February 12, 2019 at 09:39 PM (#5814750)
Damn it Thok, beat me to posting that.

I want to say... Kris Dunn?
   6756. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: February 12, 2019 at 09:48 PM (#5814751)
Whichever Hornet gets paired with Kemba.

   6757. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: February 12, 2019 at 09:55 PM (#5814754)
It's really hard to say because it's totally inexplicable that Mike Iuzzolino was in NBA Jam. Dallas was terrible at that time, but still had at least three or four players more notable than Iuzzolino who could have been featured. So the modern equivalent would be something like... Isaiah Canaan being featured for the Suns, or Damyean Dotson for the Knicks, or something.

Iuzzolino and Doug West were high school teammates at the renowned basketball talent factory of Altoona, PA, where I grew up, and somehow both got into NBA Jam games: Iuzzolino in the original, West in Tournament Edition, where he inexplicably had a 9 (max) 3PTS rating; he was a career .191 three point shooter. West's inclusion in TE was much more defensible than Iuzzolino's, but that 3PTS rating must have been a programming error.
   6758. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: February 12, 2019 at 09:57 PM (#5814756)
Okay, that Giannis cell phone commercial made me laugh
   6759. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:08 PM (#5814757)
AD with 3 points on 1-9 shooting. Sad!

   6760. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:09 PM (#5814758)
Mike Iuzzolino, the Al Pedrique of basketball.
   6761. PJ Martinez Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:50 PM (#5814766)
Gigglebuddy Hufflepuff was really good tonight. Celtics snag the tiebreaker with Philly, which could conceivably come into play. Fun game. Surprised to see Boston pull it out without Irving or Baynes, but Horford is always so good against Embiid.
   6762. tshipman Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:56 PM (#5814767)
Losing a game because Alex ####### Len hits 3/4 on 3pers is pretty brutal.
   6763. jmurph Posted: February 12, 2019 at 10:57 PM (#5814768)
I thought it was a travel BEFORE he lost control of the ball, so yeah, after he lost control of the ball (which, in my judgment arises because he thinks about double dribbling) it's a frigging travel. /I'm old

Well you might still be old, I can't say for sure, but Monty McCutchen, head of officiating or some such for the league, has restored sanity and confirmed that it was indeed a travel.
   6764. Booey Posted: February 12, 2019 at 11:45 PM (#5814771)
AD with 3 points on 1-9 shooting. Sad!


Turrible. The Pelicans should, like, trade him or something...
   6765. Booey Posted: February 12, 2019 at 11:59 PM (#5814772)
For the love of all that's good and holy, Curry just needs to keep his damn mouthpiece in for 5 freakin' minutes...
   6766. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: February 13, 2019 at 12:12 AM (#5814775)
Players Only is brutal. They barely pay attention to the game so it's mostly just old men gossiping.
   6767. Tin Angel Posted: February 13, 2019 at 12:45 AM (#5814777)
Players Only is brutal. They barely pay attention to the game so it's mostly just old men gossiping.


Agreed. Thankfully we don't have any of that here...
   6768. tshipman Posted: February 13, 2019 at 12:59 AM (#5814778)
Players Only is brutal. They barely pay attention to the game so it's mostly just old men gossiping.


I dunno, occasionally Kevin McHale calls someone a ########.

But yeah, Players Only is terrible.
   6769. Fourth True Outcome Posted: February 13, 2019 at 01:55 AM (#5814780)
I get how it makes sense for everybody logistically, and Players Only has funny moments, but they are just so, so bad at consistently doing all the putting-on-a-television-show-sporting-event things correctly.
   6770. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: February 13, 2019 at 07:35 AM (#5814785)
I don't mind Players Only. I like how shambolic it is and it's a nice change of pace from the usual homerism you get when NBA TV has the local broadcast feed. Candace Parker is awesome when they do Players Only.
   6771. MHS Posted: February 13, 2019 at 07:59 AM (#5814790)
Why don’t the 76’ers run more pick and roll. Butler/Embiid or Embiid//Harris would be a much better use of possessions than Embiid getting owned in the post by daddy Al then getting frustrated and chucking 3’s.

   6772. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: February 13, 2019 at 09:32 AM (#5814794)
Boston didn't really have everything working last night, and came away with a win that really demonstrates why they're such a tough out. Just outstanding defense.

But--MHS is right, as it's been remarked before. Philadelphia's bizarre refusal to run the pick-and-roll--despite having one of the very best lineups in the NBA to run the pick-and-roll with! They should be PnRing people to death!--makes them a lot easier for opposing coaches to prepare for. It's weird and I think that after a year or so of straddling the line I'm now firmly in Brown Needs To Go territory. He's not the right coach for this team.

Really nice to see Great Houdini having one of his best games of the season! If he can actually get something going, especially from three, that adds an element to Boston's offense they desperately need.

It was really funny listening to the TNT backup booth (who are those guys? they are godawful) spending the whole first half verbally blowing Marcus Morris for calling out his teammates for lack of teamwork--paragon of unselfish team play that Marcus Morris is, y'know--and then demonstrating Leadership, because in the first half Morris was hitting most of his endless selfish contested jumpers. Then he stopped hitting them in the second half and the broadcasters switched to singing Al Horford's praises. A much more worthy enterprise, that.

Morris brings a lot to the table defensively, and I don't doubt that his intensity is a good thing for his team, but holy cow is he one of the most selfish players in the NBA, on offense. When he complains about Not Enough Teamwork what he means is pass me the damn ball so I can shoot it. His coach and teammates know damn well that the only way to stop him from taking a few dribbles and launching a long contested jumper is to not let him touch the ball.

But do that too much and he gets pissed off and complains. It really is a delicate science for an NBA coach, getting the guys on your team who demand they get their shots enough shots to be satisfied without letting them go overboard.
   6773. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 13, 2019 at 09:48 AM (#5814799)
There's no defense for Iuzzolino's insane inclusion in that game, but he was, as you'd expect, a legitimately good shooter. 40% from three over his two year NBA career (including a 4th in the league 43% as a rookie) and 51% from deep over his college career (was a 24/3/4; 54/52/89 his senior year at St. Francis of PA; was a high second round pick). I'm not sure why he dropped out of the league after that (he was pretty limited defensively but it's not like he'd been an end of the bench guy with (a terrible team in) Dallas) - he ended up bouncing around the minors before a long career in Italy.
   6774. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: February 13, 2019 at 10:01 AM (#5814811)

But--MHS is right, as it's been remarked before. Philadelphia's bizarre refusal to run the pick-and-roll--despite having one of the very best lineups in the NBA to run the pick-and-roll with! They should be PnRing people to death!


From what I understand Boston was defending the pick-and-roll very well last night, which is why Philly went away from it.
   6775. MHS Posted: February 13, 2019 at 10:04 AM (#5814816)
Paste, maybe brown is doing a Belichick and stealthy optimizing the pick and roll and holding back for the playoffs hoping to catch a team desperately underprepared.

   6776. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: February 13, 2019 at 10:17 AM (#5814825)
I think last night was the first Players Only night on TNT, rather than NBA TV. But I don't know if that affected the broadcast, or even who was calling the game.
   6777. jmurph Posted: February 13, 2019 at 10:21 AM (#5814830)
I think last night was the first Players Only night on TNT, rather than NBA TV. But I don't know if that affected the broadcast, or even who was calling the game.

I think they've done this the last couple of Tuesdays.

I dunno, occasionally Kevin McHale calls someone a ########.

So I heard the apology for this but missed the actual comment. And now I'm confused what the 8 letter word could have been. Anyone?
   6778. spivey Posted: February 13, 2019 at 10:31 AM (#5814841)
Rick-head

Anyways, I also find Players Only awful. It'd be better if they had more folks like Candace and Chauncey and Doris like folks actually talking about stuff, but it is just Isiah and McHale touching each other on the arms and gossiping about basketball in the 80s.
   6779. jmurph Posted: February 13, 2019 at 10:33 AM (#5814845)
Thanks spivey!

The only one who I thought was even remotely listenable across both games last night was Jason Terry. Grant Hill is surprisingly terrible, Isiah unsurprisingly so. I think most of these guys are fine in the studio- not great or anything, but fine.
   6780. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: February 13, 2019 at 10:47 AM (#5814851)
Players Only sounds like an NBA dating site.
   6781. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: February 13, 2019 at 10:56 AM (#5814860)
I don't mind Players Only. I like how shambolic it is and it's a nice change of pace from the usual homerism you get when NBA TV has the local broadcast feed. Candace Parker is awesome when they do Players Only.

Yep. I like it. There, I said it. Maybe it's just because it's different than the usual bad broadcasts - and maybe that's saying more how bad the usual ones are rather than this is actually good.
   6782. jmurph Posted: February 13, 2019 at 11:03 AM (#5814864)
and maybe that's saying more how bad the usual ones are rather than this is actually good.

Yeah this is a very fair point, particularly on TNT. Harlan is terrible. Marv still has the voice and is funny, but half the time he has no idea what he's seeing anymore.

I still like Breen, but JVG has lost his mind and gone all the way down the cranky old man path- Breen and Doris Burke should just get all the big ESPN/ABC games.
   6783. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: February 13, 2019 at 12:08 PM (#5814904)
   6784. Tin Angel Posted: February 13, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5814953)
Speaking of NBA Jam...


Fitting, since Vince Carter is one of the only players in the NBA old enough to have probably played the original.
   6785. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: February 13, 2019 at 01:20 PM (#5814959)
   6786. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: February 13, 2019 at 01:49 PM (#5814977)
Guessing players by their shot charts. I got 7/10.

6/10. I kept guess Curry, until it was obvious that Curry is even better a shooter than I imagined.
   6787. jmurph Posted: February 13, 2019 at 01:50 PM (#5814978)
That was fun, I got 9 out of 10 including the first 7.

(Harden, Giannis, and Kyrie were the most obvious to me.)
   6788. jmurph Posted: February 13, 2019 at 01:53 PM (#5814981)
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Eleven months after hip surgery, Denver Nuggets guard Isaiah Thomas will make his return tonight against Sacramento, league sources tell ESPN.

Excellent news, and I was already looking forward to watching this one.
   6789. GregD Posted: February 13, 2019 at 01:58 PM (#5814988)
Come on, this was blatantly a travel.
My brother, a college basketball referee, says this is a proper no call no matter how bad it looks
   6790. GregD Posted: February 13, 2019 at 02:03 PM (#5814993)
Who would be the best NBA Jam duo today?
surely Giannis and whichever one you want of Middleton or Bledsoe
   6791. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: February 13, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5814999)
My brother, a college basketball referee, says this is a proper no call no matter how bad it looks

So it was definitely a blown call then. Got it.
   6792. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: February 13, 2019 at 02:09 PM (#5815000)
7/10. Buddy Hield is a much better shooter than I thought. The others I was close on.
   6793. jmurph Posted: February 13, 2019 at 02:12 PM (#5815005)
My brother, a college basketball referee, says this is a proper no call no matter how bad it looks

Surely he thought it was a charge, and emphatically declared as much.
   6794. Booey Posted: February 13, 2019 at 02:13 PM (#5815007)
Who would be the best NBA Jam duo today?

surely Giannis and whichever one you want of Middleton or Bledsoe


I think I'd still go with Curry and Durant, just so I could keep bombing half court shots whenever they're on fire.
   6795. spivey Posted: February 13, 2019 at 02:14 PM (#5815008)
I think I'd still go with Curry and Durant, just so I could keep bombing half court shots whenever they're on fire.


Anyone will make any shot once they cross half court when they're on fire in NBA Jam, IIRC.
   6796. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: February 13, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5815030)
From Wiki:
A limited edition version of the game with an additional team composed of Gary Payton and Michael Jordan was developed primarily for Jordan and Payton's personal use.

So, that's awesome?
   6797. Booey Posted: February 13, 2019 at 02:38 PM (#5815031)
#6795 - Yeah, but they're the only ones who should be able to make them even BEFORE they're on fire (and we all know that NBA Jam was all about accuracy).
   6798. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: February 13, 2019 at 02:50 PM (#5815036)
I think [6796] is now my all-time favorite video game anecdote.
   6799. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: February 13, 2019 at 04:27 PM (#5815067)
*Tries to shake memories of AI NBA Jam opponents hitting buzzer-beating full-court winners with a greater than 90 percent success rate*
   6800. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: February 13, 2019 at 04:56 PM (#5815078)
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