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Friday, October 05, 2018

OT - NBA Thread (2018-19 season kickoff edition)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom knew the old thread would get closed, thus detracting from what this site is really about: the baseball playoffs, maybe?

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 05, 2018 at 03:43 PM | 2191 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   801. PJ Martinez Posted: October 21, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5772033)
I agree with 799 that the struggles of Irving and Brown through the first three games have been conspicuous.

GSW @ DEN tonight should be fun.
   802. tshipman Posted: October 21, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5772037)
Follow-up: I missed the spitting accusation from the Rockets -- but I don't see anything like that on the tape.


There may have been a second spitter!

Note Melo's position--back and to the left.
   803. Booey Posted: October 21, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5772040)
Follow-up: I missed the spitting accusation from the Rockets -- but I don't see anything like that on the tape.


Maybe Rondo accidentally spit a little when he talked and CP3 overreacted and assumed it was intentional.


Edit: Not defending Rondo. He and CP3 have always been d!cks. Ingram was in this case too, though I'm unaware of any previous incidents involving him.
   804. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: October 21, 2018 at 12:38 PM (#5772048)
I doubt Rondo intentionally "spit" on CP3, but I think it's reasonable to assume spit/sweat/something got on CP3 that he mistakenly assumed came from Rondo and that's what caused him to react the way he did. The fairest way to do this is suspend Rondo the same amount of games, something relatively light (3-5 range), CP3 for officially starting it with the finger in the face, Rondo for escalating with punching and CP3's return punches don't really matter to me/get taken care of with an "elevation" of his point in your face penalty. Ingram should receive the heaviest suspension. The initial act that started all this (pushing Harden for no reason) and running in punching at someone who could not defend himself. Something in the neighborhood of 10 feels appropriate.
   805. Tin Angel Posted: October 21, 2018 at 01:57 PM (#5772069)
Definitely looks like he Rondo spit on Paul. Very weak left by Rondo, by the way.
   806. tshipman Posted: October 21, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5772076)
I doubt Rondo intentionally "spit" on CP3, but I think it's reasonable to assume spit/sweat/something got on CP3 that he mistakenly assumed came from Rondo and that's what caused him to react the way he did. The fairest way to do this is suspend Rondo the same amount of games, something relatively light (3-5 range), CP3 for officially starting it with the finger in the face, Rondo for escalating with punching and CP3's return punches don't really matter to me/get taken care of with an "elevation" of his point in your face penalty. Ingram should receive the heaviest suspension. The initial act that started all this (pushing Harden for no reason) and running in punching at someone who could not defend himself. Something in the neighborhood of 10 feels appropriate.


I'm not really disagreeing with you at all, but I think it's likely going to be:

Rondo: 2 games
CP: 2 games
Ingram: 4-5 games
   807. PJ Martinez Posted: October 21, 2018 at 02:38 PM (#5772085)
I'll bet they get two games each.
   808. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: October 21, 2018 at 03:42 PM (#5772110)
Ingram, to me, was a textbook "young kid whose prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed yet getting excited". He is supposed to behave like a fully grown adult, granted, it's the NBA, but I don't feel like he is really a bad guy here, just a hyped up kid coming to the defense of a teammate. I have a fair amount of sympathy for him.
   809. puck Posted: October 21, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5772115)
GSW @ DEN tonight should be fun.


2nd half of a back to back for the Nuggets, and Will Barton is out.

Every year the Nuggets and their fans talk about how deep the team is. I guess that is reflexive from the post-Carmelo trade George Karl years?

They don't seem deep this season. First off the bench are Trey Lyles, Plumlee, Torrey Craig, Hernanogomez and Monte Morris? With Craig (and Malik Beasley?) likely to get most of Barton's minutes?
   810. Booey Posted: October 21, 2018 at 04:19 PM (#5772116)
#808 - Except that he basically started it by shoving Harden for seemingly no reason.
   811. tshipman Posted: October 21, 2018 at 04:39 PM (#5772118)
#808 - Except that he basically started it by shoving Harden for seemingly no reason.


Eh, Harden started it by flopping on every possession.
   812. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 21, 2018 at 05:12 PM (#5772129)
Prediction for tonight:

Nuggets 188, Warriors 187.
   813. Booey Posted: October 21, 2018 at 05:50 PM (#5772135)
#811 - Well, yeah. But that's every game. Most guys resist the urge to push him.
   814. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: October 21, 2018 at 06:32 PM (#5772142)
Per Woj: Paul 2 game suspension, Rondo 3, Ingram 4, basically what tship guessed.
   815. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: October 21, 2018 at 08:00 PM (#5772154)
Encouraging stuff from Trae Young.
   816. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: October 21, 2018 at 08:02 PM (#5772156)
Michael Porters little brother tore up his knee and is out for the year at Mizzou. Cursed.
   817. PJ Martinez Posted: October 21, 2018 at 08:54 PM (#5772170)
Trae Young's shot chart through three quarters is amazing. He finished with 35 points, 11 assists.
   818. Mike A Posted: October 21, 2018 at 09:10 PM (#5772174)
As a Hawks fan, it's hard not to get a little excited after tonight...apparently the only other rookies since 2000 to put up 35/10 are LeBron and Curry. Obviously only one game, but Trae shut some people up today. It was fun to watch.

Just about all of the highly-drafted rookies are looking solid, which seems unusual? Could turn out to be a really good class.
   819. puck Posted: October 21, 2018 at 09:15 PM (#5772176)
Prediction for tonight:

Nuggets 188, Warriors 187.


Halftime score: Warriors 49, Nuggets 47. People will want their money back!
   820. JC in DC Posted: October 21, 2018 at 09:28 PM (#5772181)
It's not done yet, but Sac looks like it will knock off OKC, and more importantly for their (few) fans, they've looked really good, with lots of ball (and off the ball) movement. Iman Schumpert with the game of his career, perhaps. He's looked like the player some of thought he might be. For one night, at least.
   821. tshipman Posted: October 21, 2018 at 09:42 PM (#5772184)
Halftime score: Warriors 49, Nuggets 47. People will want their money back!


Klay is weirdly cold to start the year--1/15 from 3.
   822. JC in DC Posted: October 21, 2018 at 09:45 PM (#5772185)
I really have no idea what Houston expects Anthony to give them. He's so slow defensively, such a liability. And his fit on offense is not clear at all.
   823. puck Posted: October 21, 2018 at 10:37 PM (#5772191)
Nuggets won 100-98. Hernanogomez block on a last second Looney layup attempt.

Nuggets were 24-42 from the free throw line!
   824. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 21, 2018 at 10:38 PM (#5772192)
Nuggets win!!!! 3-0!!! Juan Hernangomez with the game-winning block!

Held their opponents under 100 in all 3 games too.
   825. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: October 21, 2018 at 10:56 PM (#5772198)
# of times holding opponent under 100 points:

Nuggets: 3 (in 3 games)
Rest of league: 4 (in 73 games)

Definitely didn't see that coming.
   826. Laser Man Posted: October 21, 2018 at 11:07 PM (#5772203)
As a Hawks fan, it's hard not to get a little excited after tonight...apparently the only other rookies since 2000 to put up 35/10 are LeBron and Curry. Obviously only one game, but Trae shut some people up today. It was fun to watch.
In addition to Trae Young having a fantastic game with 35 pts and 11 assists on 13-23 shooting, the Hawks other two rookies also got some run and made solid contributions:
Omari Spellman: 17 pts on 6-8 FG (4-5 on 3PT) in 23 minutes
Kevin Huerter: 9 pts/10 reb/4 ast/2 stl/1 blk with 3-5 on 3 PT in 25 minutes
   827. PJ Martinez Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:54 AM (#5772212)
Seems like the underdogs won every game tonight?
   828. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:59 AM (#5772215)
Kinda dumb question about stats, but I'm new to this:

Is there a reason we might expect backup centers to have artificially inflated PER numbers? (In the same way that, like, basically all relievers have lower ERAs than starters in baseball.)

((I'm asking sorta specifically for Montrezl Harrell, the Clippers' backup center, who always looks amazing to my amateur eye, and then when I check out his stats I see a guy with a 24.7 PER last year, though in just 17 minutes a game....and his team obviously doesn't trust those numbers, cuz they signed Marcin Gortat to be their starter this summer.))
   829. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:33 AM (#5772258)
I think there is? in terms of how teams are using personnel. Bigs without range / mediocre rim protectors, some of whom are potent scorers, are having a hard time finding starting gigs - and teams are trying to leverage their skills by upping their usage against defensively weaker second units (sometimes facing other big point/board, low range/defensive_versatility bigs).
   830. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:55 AM (#5772275)
Hey, while we're asking dumb questions...

Is there any research on whether or not rebounds by guards are more or less valuable than rebounds by bigs/wings? This is partly a college basketball-inspired question, as my alma mater has had a few guards in recent years who were pretty good rebounders, but I am sort of curious as to whether or not a good rebounding guard is actually valuable or if it's just a cute parlor trick.

On the one hand, I'd figure a guard getting a rebound could do more with it than your average seven-footer - the guard can take the rebound and immediately transition to offense in a way the big can't. On the other hand, I'd also figure that guards get rebounds that are less contested and further from the basket - a long three that bounces off the side of the rim and a point guard corrals it along the sideline with no one within five feet of him, that sort of thing.

Now, LeBron snatching a rebound kind of addresses both of those points....
   831. jmurph Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:04 AM (#5772281)
Is there any research on whether or not rebounds by guards are more or less valuable than rebounds by bigs/wings?

I'm curious about this too, but I wonder if it's less of an advantage now than it was previously, given how many bigs are also capable of pushing the ball after a rebound. Not every team has a player like that, but of the teams I watch a lot, Horford, Draymond, Towns even, will frequently dribble it up rather than waiting to find the point guard.
   832. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:19 AM (#5772297)
[828] PER tends to be "inflated" for poor defensive bigs who (a) rebound and (b) score efficiently/get lots of assisted buckets.

[830] You're right in that the theory is that it's better for your guard/lead ballhandler to get those discretionary rebounds so you can push pace and get into your offense more quickly.

My question for the morning: we know that Denver and Utah have a greater than normal homecourt advantage due to elevation so it makes it hell to play there in the regular season. Do we know whether this additional boost applies to the playoffs or do players get used to it after having to play there multiple times in a 1-2 week stretch? Thinking about how much it would change Denver/Utah's odds if they had the overall 1 seed as opposed to a 3/4 seed.
   833. jmurph Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5772305)
[828] PER tends to be "inflated" for poor defensive bigs who (a) rebound and (b) score efficiently/get lots of assisted buckets.

The Kanter Korollary.
   834. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 22, 2018 at 11:11 AM (#5772351)
Chris Herring @Herring_NBA 11h11 hours ago

Warriors' rank in 3PA rate, by year:
14-15: 32.2% (7th)
15-16: 37.8% (2nd)
16-17: 37.3% (6th)
17-18: 35.2% (15th)
18-19: 25.3% (28th)


Klay is weirdly cold to start the year--1/15 from 3.

Anthony Slater @anthonyVslater 12h12 hours ago

Most notable Warriors stat through three games: The non Steph Curry portion of their roster is a combined 8-of-40 from 3.


There's always the big question how to take Warriors stats during the regular season, add to that the small sample size and who know what any of that means, if anything.

---

Who would have thought that the Bulls would have had a bad defense?

There are compelling arguments for playing LaVine and Parker together. Mayberry made a persuasive and well-reasoned one after Saturday’s game. But I still believe that the Bulls simply cannot play them together for significant minutes. It’s been only a tiny 29-minute sample, but the team has given up a 132.8 defensive rating when they have been on the floor together. As a frame of reference, the Phoenix Suns’ 111.6 defensive rating was worst in the league last year.


I don't know what Jabari was on the floor at the end of the tied Pistons game the other night, but the Pistons went right at him and scored easily.
   835. Master of the Horse Posted: October 22, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5772381)
Bucks fan here and Parker just cannot move laterally in basketball terms. He told the team he was fully healthy and they were like great let's see what you can do and then he goes on the floor and he's fine going straight ahead but nothing otherwise. And it never improved. Brewhoop talked about this a lot at the end of the season. Do teams check out other team's blogs or is that considered lowbrow so only go by what they see and assess? Just asking.
   836. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: October 22, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5772406)
Who would have thought that the Bulls would have had a bad defense?
[3169]:
i'm not sure how good CHI will be offensively, but with lavine, parker, markkanen, valentine, zipser, they should at least be pretty terrible defensively.
   837. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:06 PM (#5772416)
I'm asking sorta specifically for Montrezl Harrell, the Clippers' backup center, who always looks amazing to my amateur eye, and then when I check out his stats I see a guy with a 24.7 PER last year, though in just 17 minutes a game....and his team obviously doesn't trust those numbers, cuz they signed Marcin Gortat to be their starter this summer.

Not PER-related specifically, but I think backup bigs with good per-minute numbers sometimes stay backups because of foul issues. (Harrell has averaged 4.2 fouls per 36 minutes for his career so far; I don't have much context for that number but it's a higher rate than four of the top five in total fouls committed last season.)
   838. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:10 PM (#5772419)
Rhetorical question, stubbles.

So much with Parker is really just effort, or more accurately lack of effort.

The Blogabull post I linked earlier called it out, but if Parker (and Wade before) weren't from Chicago, the Bulls wouldn't have signed them. I'm not sure why the Bulls feel the need to severely overpay local talent (on some level, I do think they make some money off the local guys considering how much they play it up, but no way nearly enough to make up for how much they're overpaying).
   839. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5772435)
Shams Charania @ShamsCharania

Sources: Top high school-to-pro prospect Darius Bazley has signed an endorsement deal with New Balance, worth $14M and a guaranteed $1M. Bazley will spend year training ahead of 2019 NBA draft.


Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
Sources on a story that was already online when you tweeted this? Interesting … https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/sports/darius-bazley-g-league-new-balance.html …


Not just testy on the court this early in the year...
   840. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:35 PM (#5772441)
The endorsement deal is one of the angles I find most interesting in the whole G-League/select-contract story. Even the very best high school basketball prospects aren't well-known outside of recruiting circles, so you wonder how much value shoe companies will find in giving out big money to 18-year-old G-Leaguers. Is it going to be the equivalent of MLB teams giving their top young players big contract extensions early in their careers - take the risk of some young talent busting so that you might have the next LeBron locked in to Nike or Adidas for the next 10 years at a super cheap price?
   841. Manny Coon Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5772443)
and his team obviously doesn't trust those numbers, cuz they signed Marcin Gortat to be their starter this summer.))


They got Gortat in a trade in exchange for Austin Rivers, which makes it an overwhelmingly successful trade reglgardless of Gortat does for them.
   842. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:38 PM (#5772444)
LeBron was already very famous in basketball circles when he was 16. I'm not sure that's the most apt comparison. Even Wiggins I recall hearing about when he was still in high school, and I don't follow any basketball at all outside the NBA.
   843. Master of the Horse Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:48 PM (#5772450)
838--I am not qualified to assess player effort unless the dude is just not moving on the court. But yeah this was discussed on the Bucks blogs fWIW. I always liked JP. But the Freak happened, he got hurt and like that he was passed over.
   844. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 22, 2018 at 12:51 PM (#5772453)
jace frederick @JaceFrederick 40m40 minutes ago

Thibs on Derrick Rose: “As long as he’s healthy, he’ll be one of the best players in the league.”
   845. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 22, 2018 at 01:00 PM (#5772461)
841- My bad, I misread the transaction history page.
   846. Master of the Horse Posted: October 22, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5772465)
842--who is the worst player NBA wise who got pre NBA hype while in high school? I am curious. Is it like in baseball that if a guy is really good at a young age even if he does not become Mike Trout he's still in MLB for a while putting up some good stats?
   847. jmurph Posted: October 22, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5772468)
The endorsement deal is one of the angles I find most interesting in the whole G-League/select-contract story. Even the very best high school basketball prospects aren't well-known outside of recruiting circles, so you wonder how much value shoe companies will find in giving out big money to 18-year-old G-Leaguers. Is it going to be the equivalent of MLB teams giving their top young players big contract extensions early in their careers - take the risk of some young talent busting so that you might have the next LeBron locked in to Nike or Adidas for the next 10 years at a super cheap price?

It looks like they're splitting the difference here with some kind of incentive-based contract.
   848. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 22, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5772470)
846- There were a slew of guys drafted to the NBA right out of high school who SUCKED. Kwame Brown stands out: he was the number 1 pick, but at his peak was basically just an okay backup center.
   849. Booey Posted: October 22, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5772471)
My question for the morning: we know that Denver and Utah have a greater than normal homecourt advantage due to elevation so it makes it hell to play there in the regular season. Do we know whether this additional boost applies to the playoffs or do players get used to it after having to play there multiple times in a 1-2 week stretch?


Based on all the playoff games I've watched over the last 3 decades, I'd guess the latter. Maybe it's just that they're playing better teams, but neither Denver or Utah ever seems to be as home dominant in the playoffs as they are in the regular season.
   850. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 22, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5772483)
846- There were a slew of guys drafted to the NBA right out of high school who SUCKED. Kwame Brown stands out: he was the number 1 pick, but at his peak was basically just an okay backup center.


I wasn't really paying attention back then, so this could be wrong, but my memory is hearing that the one-and-done rule got started because people (including, apparently, David Stern) were getting worried that too many high-school-to-NBA players were ruining the league. It wasn't so much about the LeBrons and Kobes, it was about lesser players who really weren't ready getting drafted high, getting handed millions of dollars and stinking up the joint.

One-and-done players still do this all the time, of course, and I personally have no idea how requiring one year in the minor leaNCAA would make much difference, but I guess there's still a lot of people wanting to require two years (while the NBA appears to be moving more toward funneling 18-year-olds into its own professional minor league.)
   851. CFBF Rides The Zombie Ice Dragon Posted: October 22, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5772487)
Anthony Bennett was the #6 or #7 player in the country in his high school class, depending on which service you use. Though he's obviously not in the NBA any more.
   852. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: October 22, 2018 at 01:48 PM (#5772493)
There were a slew of guys drafted to the NBA right out of high school who SUCKED.
True, but not necessarily an answer to the question. I don't remember any pre-draft hype for Kwame Brown, for instance (which he may have received! I was not paying much attention to the league in those days, so I'm a terrible resource for this question).

EDIT, expounding: There's a big gulf between "generated NBA hype" (very few guys: notably LeBron, Wiggins, Zion Williamson, kind of Bol Bol but maybe that's more about his name than him) and "was very highly rated for their class" (the same number of guys every real, regardless of their "absolute" level of ability).
   853. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: October 22, 2018 at 02:18 PM (#5772526)
   854. Rally Posted: October 22, 2018 at 02:49 PM (#5772549)
Is it like in baseball that if a guy is really good at a young age even if he does not become Mike Trout he's still in MLB for a while putting up some good stats?


Maybe I'm misreading here, but there are plenty of guys who were great in high school or college, drafted high, and never even make the majors, and plenty of others who didn't do much when they got to MLB.
   855. Topher Posted: October 22, 2018 at 03:01 PM (#5772563)
Going back 20 years, JaRon Rush is a pretty good example of somebody that flamed out. One year at UCLA and then declared but wasn't drafted. Alcoholism played a big part in that. Korleone Young might be as well, although I'm not sure he had the same NBA hype in high school.
   856. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: October 22, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5772572)
yeah, i'm never sure where to draw lines for these sort of things. felipe lopez made the cover of si in high school...
   857. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: October 22, 2018 at 03:43 PM (#5772584)
842--who is the worst player NBA wise who got pre NBA hype while in high school? I am curious. Is it like in baseball that if a guy is really good at a young age even if he does not become Mike Trout he's still in MLB for a while putting up some good stats?
sebastian telfair.
   858. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 22, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5772592)
842--who is the worst player NBA wise who got pre NBA hype while in high school? I am curious.


I remember hearing a bunch about OJ Mayo (I think).
   859. JC in DC Posted: October 22, 2018 at 03:53 PM (#5772593)
Way before Telfair, Pearl Washington was a HS legend. He was fantastic in college, and a dud in the pros.
   860. aberg Posted: October 22, 2018 at 04:14 PM (#5772621)
I was at a movie and not watching the game when expector-gate happened, and I can't seem to summon any interest in it. What's wrong with me?
   861. jmurph Posted: October 22, 2018 at 04:16 PM (#5772622)
I was momentarily surprised that no one was suspended longer but then settled on it being a good thing that an NBA fight is no longer cause for national scandal.
   862. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: October 22, 2018 at 04:16 PM (#5772623)
Telfair and O.J. Mayo are both really good ones.

EDIT: I was momentarily surprised that no one was suspended longer but then settled on it being a good thing that an NBA fight is no longer cause for national scandal.

Same.
   863. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: October 22, 2018 at 04:25 PM (#5772625)
Brandon Jennings. Sebastian Telfair. Shabazz Mohammed and Wiggins also got incredible hype in HS as the next "T-Mac" types.
   864. aberg Posted: October 22, 2018 at 05:03 PM (#5772658)
The Rivals recruiting rankings go back to 03 (guess what? Lebron was #1 that year!). Here are top 10 guys who weren't even NBA rotation players (#1 each year in paren):

03- Ndudi Ebi, David Padgett, James Lang (that name doesn't even ring a bell for me), Brian Butch (Lebron)
04- Malik Hairston, Earl Smith, Joe Crawford, Randolph Morris (Dwight)
05- Richard Hendrix (although he did find success with Pied Piper) (Gerald Green)
06- none (Oden then Durant [Chase Budinger was 4th. Imagine how high he could've been in the beach volleyball Rivals rankings!])
07- Bill Walker, Donte Greene (Beasley)
08- Scotty Hopson, Samardo Smauels, Willie Warren (BJ/Byron Mullens)
09- Jordan Hamilton, Michael Snaer, Keith Gallon, Mouphtaou Yarou (no idea who that is) (Wall)
10- Josh Selby (Selby)
11- Lebryan Nash, Khem Birch (on ORL now), Deandre Daniels (Austin Rivers then Anthony Davis)
12- Isaiah Austin, Ricardo Ledo, Kaleb Tarczewski (Muhammad)
13- Chris Walker, Kasey Hill (Wiggins)

The more recently classes are too cluttered with guys who are just finishing school. This list isn't scientific at all. There are probably guys I left off just because I thought they were better than they were and vice versa.
   865. jmurph Posted: October 22, 2018 at 05:20 PM (#5772670)
05- Richard Hendrix

Ooh I know that one. The high school team I was an assistant for played against his team in some tournament in Alabama. I remember him being great, handling the ball and shooting a bit, which was obviously impressive from a giant high school kid. Wikipedia tells me he's had a long european career to date. Certainly worse ways to spend one's 20s and 30s!
   866. The Good Face Posted: October 22, 2018 at 05:36 PM (#5772677)
Mouphtaou Yarou (no idea who that is)


Oh, I know this one. He was a big that was highly touted because of his size and physique in HS, wound up going to Villanova. Unfortunately, he couldn't jump over a pencil and lacked any other transcendent skills that might allow a not-so-athletic big guy to have an NBA career. Spent all 4 years at Villanova as a decent but unremarkable player, currently playing in Europe.
   867. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: October 22, 2018 at 05:42 PM (#5772682)
One guy who I don't think has been mentioned yet is Dajuan Wagner, who I remember having a ton of hype in HS (scored 100 points in a game once), and who washed out of the league pretty quickly.

ETA: That was 18 years ago apparently? I'm old.
   868. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: October 22, 2018 at 05:49 PM (#5772686)
04- Malik Hairston, Earl Smith, Joe Crawford, Randolph Morris (Dwight)


Low blow, man, low blow. Someone oughta throw some soup at you.
   869. aberg Posted: October 22, 2018 at 05:52 PM (#5772690)
Low blow, man, low blow. Someone oughta throw some soup at you.


Oh wow. That's a bad miss. Guess I should've called timeout before making that post.
   870. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: October 22, 2018 at 05:55 PM (#5772692)
One guy who I don't think has been mentioned yet is Dajuan Wagner, who I remember having a ton of hype in HS (scored 100 points in a game once), and who washed out of the league pretty quickly.

ETA: That was 18 years ago apparently? I'm old.
didn't wagner have a severe auto-immune disorder that forced him to retire from the NBA after a season or two?
   871. . . . . . . Posted: October 22, 2018 at 05:58 PM (#5772695)
What the hell happened to Josh Selby? Couldn't even stick in Europe?
   872. aberg Posted: October 22, 2018 at 06:00 PM (#5772698)
Wikipedia says that he was sidetracked by ulcerative colitis, but played after he recovered from it. Of course, that means he was sidetracked from shooting 36%. He was entertaining, though.
   873. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: October 22, 2018 at 06:04 PM (#5772702)
Damon Bailey was well-known in high school and won just about every high school player of the year award in existence. He never played in an NBA game.
   874. puck Posted: October 22, 2018 at 06:52 PM (#5772720)
Well, there's hype and there's NBA hype. Damon Bailey got famous because Bob Knight was recruiting him as an 8th grader, and that got coverage in the "Season on the Brink" book.

Stuart Gray (UCLA center) was a guy like that. Well, not the 8th grade part. But as incoming freshman, some people thought he was better than Patrick Ewing.
   875. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: October 22, 2018 at 08:16 PM (#5772743)
The best thing to come out the whole Rockets-Lakers brouhaha is this A.V. headline:

“Anthony Kiedis ejected from Lakers game in the city he lives in, the city of angels”
   876. nick swisher hygiene Posted: October 22, 2018 at 08:19 PM (#5772744)
No love in this segment--and by love I mean ambivalence--for Harrison Barnes?
   877. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: October 22, 2018 at 08:37 PM (#5772749)
The Raptors look good. Are Raptors fans able to get any enjoyment out of the regular season at this point?
   878. jmurph Posted: October 22, 2018 at 08:53 PM (#5772753)
Aaron Gordon's conception of his own shooting ability is... inaccurate.

EDIT: He made a corner 3 immediately after this to spite me.
   879. spivey Posted: October 22, 2018 at 08:59 PM (#5772755)
Boston will come back in this game and make it close but they’re laying a huge egg at home here down 11 to the ####### Magic late in the 3rd
   880. Just TFTIO Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:11 PM (#5772761)
I am very much enjoying the Leonard/Green era of Barneys hoops, yes.
   881. jmurph Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:20 PM (#5772765)
Boston will come back in this game and make it close but they’re laying a huge egg at home here down 11 to the ####### Magic late in the 3rd

It's been ugly. I can't decide how upset to be because they're also missing a ton of open looks. Turn 8-34 from 3 into 11-34 (still terrible shooting!) and it's a different game.

   882. jmurph Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:26 PM (#5772768)
On the other hand they've put themselves in that position by failing to generate much in the paint. So there's that.
   883. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:44 PM (#5772774)
Through 4 games.

Kyrie: +9, -16, -13, -8

Scary Terry: +22, -4, 0, +9
   884. RJ in TO Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:59 PM (#5772777)
The Raptors look good. Are Raptors fans able to get any enjoyment out of the regular season at this point?
Of course. Why wouldn't we be able to?
   885. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: October 22, 2018 at 09:59 PM (#5772778)
This Knicks team is hilarious because it's basically a bunch of guys who, in a perfect world, are G-League scoring champion mentality/ability...and then Frank Ntilikina.
   886. JC in DC Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:17 PM (#5772783)
I like these guys, NJ. I find them very appealing. Frank's just got to look for his shot more.
   887. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:19 PM (#5772785)
I like these guys, NJ. I find them very appealing. Frank's just got to look for his shot more.

Same. It's just really funny to me how there's an abundance of guys who think they are much better scorers than they actually are and almost no one interested in creating for others. My hope is that they are able to drive up their value and we can trade one or two.
   888. JC in DC Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM (#5772786)
Agreed.
   889. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:23 PM (#5772787)
Same. It's just really funny to me how there's an abundance of guys who think they are much better scorers than they actually are and almost no one interested in creating for others. My hope is that they are able to drive up their value and we can trade one or two.


Sounds like they should call Minnesota and ask about Butler, then!
   890. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:53 PM (#5772796)
Spurs are curbstomping the Lakers in L.A. Lakers 1-6 from range early on, so that's still a thing. They're just way too small to guard Aldridge, and he's getting any look he wants. But they're still putting in the effort, so that's something.

EDIT: A quick 6-0 run gets them going a bit. I don't like anything except the effort, but so long as the effort's there, it's hard to get too upset. Low bar, I know, but after the last few years, and carrying all those clowns and bastards, I can't have crazy expectations.
   891. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: October 22, 2018 at 10:57 PM (#5772800)
The Boston Celtics, favorites to gain supremacy in a LeBron-less Eastern Conference, have the worst offensive rating in the NBA, following an ugly 93–90 home loss to the lowly Orlando Magic Monday night. In a season thus far marked by outrageously prolific scoring league-wide, the Celtics—loaded with slick and interchangeable perimeter weapons—are mustering a crummy sub-100 offensive rating through four games.
In the meantime, Boston’s most-used lineup—the terrifying Kyrie-Jayson Tatum-Jaylen Brown-Hayward-Al Horford group—is producing an alarmingly bad 79.3 offensive rating, per Cleaning the Glass. Not only is that the worst on the team, it’s like 20 points worse than the worst offense in basketball

link
   892. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: October 22, 2018 at 11:11 PM (#5772803)
Small sample size, but I'm enjoying the Candace Parker experience.
   893. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 22, 2018 at 11:26 PM (#5772807)
I don't like anything except the effort, but so long as the effort's there, it's hard to get too upset. Low bar, I know, but after the last few years, and carrying all those clowns and bastards, I can't have crazy expectations.
Lakers racing back to within three points. THEY'RE GONNA WIN 70!
   894. Booey Posted: October 22, 2018 at 11:49 PM (#5772811)
Ugly game in SLC. Just goes to show that when you shoot 35% - and 25% on 3's - you can lose to anyone, anywhere.

One silver lining though - and I almost feel reluctant to admit it - but based on his NBA debut tonight...I might actually end up liking Grayson Allen. I was impressed by what he was able to do in limited time: 7 pts in 11 minutes on 2/2 shooting, including a 3 and a driving dunk, 2/2 at the line. His +6 was actually a team high.

And he didn't even trip anyone! Zero - count 'em - ZERO dirty fouls!
   895. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: October 23, 2018 at 12:14 AM (#5772818)
   896. tshipman Posted: October 23, 2018 at 12:28 AM (#5772823)
Man, I gotta apologize to JC.

Sometime in March or so, JC was talking up Josh Hart, and I was pretty dismissive of his long term potential. I was wrong. He's definitely capable of being an above average starter in the league.
   897. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 23, 2018 at 12:56 AM (#5772828)
LEBRON FROM WAAAAAAAY DOWNTOWN!
   898. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: October 23, 2018 at 12:57 AM (#5772829)
1. I really like this Lakers team.

2. I like this Spurs squad.

3. The West is gonna be a beeeeeeetch this season.
   899. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: October 23, 2018 at 01:20 AM (#5772831)
Quite a game.
   900. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 23, 2018 at 01:21 AM (#5772832)
Ouch! Tough loss for the Lakers. James bricking both freethrows at the end was nasty.

Obviously not happy about being 0-3, but you can see the Lakers actually have the parts to be a good team again. Not everyone's going to shoot 15-28 from three against them every night.
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