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Tuesday, April 16, 2019

OT - NBA thread (Playoffs through off-season)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and this one only cares about the NBA thread and the Cubs so I have no idea what the rest of the website cares about.

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 16, 2019 at 02:18 PM | 1973 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2019 at 08:52 PM (#5833416)
Boban goes out, and the Nets are living in the paint.

Oy. Tie game.
   102. PJ Martinez Posted: April 18, 2019 at 08:56 PM (#5833417)
Nets fans getting a little louder now.
   103. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2019 at 09:00 PM (#5833418)
Boban +14
Monroe -9

Difference feels much bigger than that.
   104. spivey Posted: April 18, 2019 at 09:05 PM (#5833420)
Tobias Harris is stepping up finally. It's still hard to see this team as a real contender to come out of the East.
   105. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 18, 2019 at 09:07 PM (#5833421)
Boban +14
Monroe -9

Difference feels much bigger than that.
yeah, but that's really only because monroe has missed 16 lightly contested layups in the 1st half.

   106. JJ1986 Posted: April 18, 2019 at 09:08 PM (#5833422)
yeah, but that's really only because monroe has missed 16 lightly contested layups in the 1st half.
To be fair, he also stands under the rim when his guy's on the perimeter and yet offers no resistance when a guard drives towards him.
   107. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 18, 2019 at 09:13 PM (#5833424)
I think it's fair to ask at this point: Boban, GREAT player, or GREATEST player?
   108. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 18, 2019 at 09:18 PM (#5833425)
Tobias Harris is stepping up finally. It's still hard to see this team as a real contender to come out of the East.

look harder.

the sixers' offense is finally running a bunch of pick and rolls. they're pushing 3 or 4 nets under the rim every possession, and simmons, embiid, boban, butler and even guys scott, ennis and harris are able to pull up short of that corral and finish over the top of that scrum.


NBA teams are not built to defend this.
   109. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: April 18, 2019 at 09:35 PM (#5833427)
Congrats to the Sixers for this big Embiid-less win.
   110. JJ1986 Posted: April 18, 2019 at 09:41 PM (#5833428)
The Nets are letting the game slip away with their two best players on the bench.
   111. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 18, 2019 at 09:41 PM (#5833429)
i know i'm usually pretty soft-spoken when i've talked about the sixers over the years, but this is the style of play i've been hoping to see since they drafted okafor. case in point:
692. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: June 09, 2015 at 01:40 PM (#4974527)
this is kind of hard to explain since noone in philadelphia actually roots for the sixers anymore for now, but when normal people used to acknowledge their existence, many of them hated speights with a passion. it never quite got to dalembert levels, but that's only because speights was limited to playing 10 minutes every third game and even in philadephia, how much hate can anyone really have for a guy on their fourth favorite team who gets benched in favor of tony battie. it's like hating the intestinal bacteria of a tick that's latched onto a rat because you stubbed your toe walking to the toilet.


but maybe the guy just needed adderall.
   112. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 18, 2019 at 09:42 PM (#5833430)
Joel Embiid after watching his Game 2 Flagrant Foul on Jarrett Allen: ‘I probably should’ve been ejected. It was pretty bad.’ #Sixers
   113. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 18, 2019 at 09:46 PM (#5833431)
NBA teams are not built to defend this.

The way this is phrased reminds me of this Ryan Kesler quote. The reader can determine if he was eventually proven right.

He wasn't.
   114. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 18, 2019 at 09:58 PM (#5833433)
this is a fun one:
1419. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: May 19, 2015 at 03:34 AM (#4959045)
How would a top 5 pick in 2017 be more valuable to the Sixers than D'Angelo Russell in year 3?
i'd absolutely trade a top 5 pick in 2017 for russell. the issue is with trading that pick and noel for a guy who might be the next ben mclemore. trading multiple valuable assets for an empty gascan will kill you (andrew bynum says hi).

   115. JC in DC Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:15 PM (#5833434)
WHy isn't Embiid playing? Injury?
   116. spivey Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:18 PM (#5833435)
Seems like there have been a lot of soft foul calls and jump shot foul calls late in this game. I did not check the stats, though.
   117. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:20 PM (#5833436)
Embiid: Tendinitis

White is blowing up for SA
   118. Tin Angel Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:21 PM (#5833438)
Is Simmons on PED's?
   119. JC in DC Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:22 PM (#5833439)
Agree, Spivey; it's all touch fouls.
   120. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:23 PM (#5833440)
i think these posts are closer to what i was looking for:
3, i've talked alot about my desire for embiid and towns, but let's think about embiid and okafor for a second. how many teams would have a prayer of stopping them if they come close to reaching their potential? with okafor in the low post and embiid at the elbow, that's a team that could dominate the paint.
here's a quote to remember:
“If they (noel and embiid) do play together, which is what we anticipate, we will be a menace at the rim, an absolute menace,” Hinkie said last summer. “If you’re going to bring violence to the other team, that’s the place to do it.”
in conclusion, do you see this face? this is my happy face.
i wonder if it'd be a good idea to take a page from the cavs playbook and play as slow a pace as possible. run every possession through the post and let the size of embiid/okafor/noel create opportunities at the rim and the FT line.
oh, and:
I think the Knicks have already had a good night. I mean obviously no one knows if the hype on Porzingis is legit or not, but still.
i agree. i mean, i think they're a terrible organization that's likely to ruin porzingis through mismanagement, but if they weren't a terrible organization, this would be a good night for them.
the knicks were probably the worst place for him to go. combine the media attention, nightlife, poor teammates, a novice as head coach and clownshoes front office and it's easy to see how his development could go sideways.
I actually agree with a lot of what steagles said.
you don't have to say that like it'll only happen once in your lifetime.
   121. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:25 PM (#5833441)
Is Simmons on PED's?
nah, he's just a ginger.
Seems like there have been a lot of soft foul calls and jump shot foul calls late in this game. I did not check the stats, though.
the nets have been yapping, and i think the refs don't want to let the game get out of control.
WHy isn't Embiid playing? Injury?
brett brown suspended him for laughing about elbowing jarrett allen in the head.
   122. spivey Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:36 PM (#5833443)
Ben Simmons was awesome today. I still believe you can build a good playoff team around him, though I don't know that this 76ers team is that team.
   123. SteveF Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:38 PM (#5833444)
Ben Simmons was awesome today.

More fodder for the people who think Simmons and Embiid don't belong on the floor together.
   124. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 18, 2019 at 10:52 PM (#5833445)
More fodder for the people who think Simmons and Embiid don't belong on the floor together.

embiid w/simmons: 35 and 18 per 100 possessions, +8 net rating
embiid w/o simmons: 40 and 18 per 100 possessions, +7 net rating

simmons w/ embiid: 21, 11 and 10 AST per 100 possessions, +8 net rating
simmons w/o embiid: 24, 12 and 10 AST per 100 possessions, -5 net rating


   125. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 18, 2019 at 11:02 PM (#5833447)
Maybe Simmons just needs someone like Dudley to publicly call him out more often.
   126. spivey Posted: April 18, 2019 at 11:29 PM (#5833455)
I guess there’s a reason why nobody trusted Denver.
   127. Booey Posted: April 18, 2019 at 11:49 PM (#5833459)
Warriors up 23 in the 2nd. Clippers have them right where they want them...
   128. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: April 18, 2019 at 11:55 PM (#5833460)
Denver has just....they’ve never felt to me as significantly different/better from last year’s team (who won just 46 games and missed the playoffs). This year’s squad got much luckier in close games and held on to the 2 seed, but I never really *bought* it. They have the exact same weaknesses, and good teams will exploit them.
   129. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: April 19, 2019 at 01:55 AM (#5833466)
It's pretty awesome that the Spurs will have Derrick White and Dejounte Murray next year for like $4M combined.

Less awesome they are spending $55M on Aldridge and DeRozan, but hey, it is what it is. Were it not for that... I wonder if they would have a shot at one of the marquee free agents or AD.
   130. Thok Posted: April 19, 2019 at 07:02 AM (#5833468)
I'll just point out that the only time the Spurs signed a marquise free agent, it was Aldridge. That's not how they work as an organization.
   131. spivey Posted: April 19, 2019 at 08:28 AM (#5833469)
I'll just point out that the only time the Spurs signed a marquise free agent, it was Aldridge. That's not how they work as an organization.


Although this is true, I also think during the first half of their run there was less FA movement (someone feel free to fact check this). By the time Parker and Ginobili got good, there just wasn't cap space. Hell, Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili all took pay cuts to keep the gang together throughout their prime.
   132. jmurph Posted: April 19, 2019 at 09:23 AM (#5833473)
Bad timing on this Russell Westbrook piece from OKC PR guy Royce Young after Westbrook's terrible first two playoff games.

(I'm just being snarky, I do actually think it's crazy that Westbrook has averaged a triple double for three straight seasons.)
   133. jmurph Posted: April 19, 2019 at 10:19 AM (#5833480)
I guess there’s a reason why nobody trusted Denver.

This is easily the most disappointing thing about this round so far. There's still time to turn it around of course, but I'm not optimistic.

Also, if things hold, one of San Antonio or Portland will be in the WCF? That's wild.
   134. spivey Posted: April 19, 2019 at 11:35 AM (#5833502)
Demar Derozan only made 7 3pters this year. That's crazy.

Portland/OKC still feels like a series to me. That is, if Paul George is near healthy. Perhaps he just isn't, in which case they ain't that good.
   135. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 19, 2019 at 12:02 PM (#5833510)
Maybe Simmons just needs someone like Dudley to publicly call him out more often.

I thought I saw that there was a much longer quote from Dudley that wasn't nearly as callingoutish. I can't seem to find it though.
   136. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: April 19, 2019 at 12:51 PM (#5833524)
“I think that Ben Simmons is a great player in transition. Once you slow him up in the half court, I think he’s average when it comes to that. He’s a player that, when he picks up speed, he’s a load, so you’re going to have two guys with him. So for him it’s just take away his easy baskets. If you’re in a bad way, foul him. Make him make free throws. If he’s 4-for-4, keep fouling him. The odds tell you what his percentages are on free throws…. It’s his speed that dictates, that gets other guys going. But sometimes, Ben Simmons is going to have a good game, he’s going to have 25 points. But you can’t have that with all four of those guys. So we gotta think about how the game is going. If Embiid and Simmons have it going, then Butler and Harris can’t get going.”
   137. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 19, 2019 at 01:09 PM (#5833528)
Thanks. That obviously is a fairly reasonable, and mostly non-controversial scouting report.
   138. jmurph Posted: April 19, 2019 at 01:35 PM (#5833533)
God we are a stupid ####### people sometimes. I can't believe how reasonable that full quote is, how was this a story for two days?
   139. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 19, 2019 at 01:45 PM (#5833534)
I know, right? I also can't believe I couldn't find it. I saw it on twitter, but it was an attached picture of the quote. No wonder why so many players just try to not say anything.
   140. Master of the Horse Posted: April 19, 2019 at 01:50 PM (#5833535)
Not an original observation but #### me does the first round take forever.
   141. tshipman Posted: April 19, 2019 at 02:36 PM (#5833543)
Jared Dudley is one of the most intelligent and interesting players in the NBA. I think that quote is great, both for its insight and honesty.
   142. JC in DC Posted: April 19, 2019 at 02:53 PM (#5833547)
It sounds like what I said towards the end of the prior thread about Simmons. So it MUST BE AWESOME.
   143. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 19, 2019 at 03:05 PM (#5833551)
ESPN: JC in DC calls Simmons a ####-### ######-######.
   144. jmurph Posted: April 19, 2019 at 03:09 PM (#5833556)
Simmons to retire? JC: "...Like... I said: ... The End of ... Simmons? ... Must be."
   145. JC in DC Posted: April 19, 2019 at 03:20 PM (#5833562)
Good stuff.
   146. PJ Martinez Posted: April 19, 2019 at 03:22 PM (#5833564)
Ha.
   147. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: April 19, 2019 at 08:11 PM (#5833637)
I cannot accept a world where Tracy McGrady has a grey beard. And Vince is still playing!
   148. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: April 19, 2019 at 08:28 PM (#5833642)
One advantage to watching on the international feed is that I'm getting a halftime package that consists solely of 35 minutes of Giannis just straight up dunking on fools. It's marvellous.
   149. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: April 19, 2019 at 08:41 PM (#5833644)
So which front office is going to hilariously overpay Vucevic this summer? My bet is on NYK.
   150. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: April 19, 2019 at 09:32 PM (#5833654)
That game was excellent.
   151. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 19, 2019 at 10:02 PM (#5833657)
So which front office is going to hilariously overpay Vucevic this summer? My bet is on NYK.
sacramento.
   152. spivey Posted: April 20, 2019 at 12:04 AM (#5833676)
OKC with a huge win. Looked good closing too.

Boston with the big win to go up 3-0. The Milwaukee series should be legit.
   153. spivey Posted: April 20, 2019 at 12:08 AM (#5833677)
This Portland/OKC series is chippy. Playoffs baby
   154. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 08:27 AM (#5833701)
okay, i'm feeling frisky today, and the draft is starting to come into focus.

it's time to take my annual deep dive into the potential 2019 class of PGs.


here's the list of guys i plan on going through (if there's anyone who's not on the list who probably should be, give him a mention and i'll add him):
tremont waters (LSU), chris clemons (campbell), ja morant (murray state), coby white (UNC), jordan bone (TENN), darius garland (VANDY), carsen edwards (purdue), ty jerome (UVA), makai mason (baylor), jaylen hands (UCLA), ky bowman (BC), jared harper (auburn), tre jones (dook), cassius winston (SPARTY), shamorie ponds (john), markell johnson (nc state), jarron cumberland (CINC), kerwin roach (texas), nickeil alexander-walker (VAT), markus howard (MARQ), daishon smith (LOUMN), shizz alston (temple), phil booth (NOVA), mckinley wright (COL), jaylen nowell (udub), tookie brown (GAS), deishuan booker (LBS), chris lykes (MIA), josh reaves (PSU).

i probably will not do all of this in that order.
   155. NJ in NY (Now with Big Girl!) Posted: April 20, 2019 at 10:37 AM (#5833713)
[152] I may be alone here, but...nothing Boston has done in going up 3-0 has made me think more highly of them than I did coming into the playoffs.
   156. rr: drool-soaked and paralytic Posted: April 20, 2019 at 11:12 AM (#5833719)
155-

As long as shipman is here, you will not be alone in that. Heh.

My opinion on Boston is unchanged; I still think that they have the resources to be a very tough out for Milwaukee, even accounting for Milwaukee's outstanding regular season. I am not surprised that they are up 3-0 on Indiana, since Indiana without Oladipo seemed to me to be more of a "regular season team." One reason I have this opinion is that Irving has generally been productive in postseason, and he is playing quite well against Indiana.

But Milwaukee proved me wrong during the season, and they may do it again.

On another note, as someone said, GS/HOU assuming it happens will be one of the most star-charged high-stakes conference semis matchups ever.
   157. puck Posted: April 20, 2019 at 11:55 AM (#5833731)
Denver has just....they’ve never felt to me as significantly different/better from last year’s team (who won just 46 games and missed the playoffs). This year’s squad got much luckier in close games and held on to the 2 seed, but I never really *bought* it. They have the exact same weaknesses, and good teams will exploit them.


As a casual fan, from the eye I felt the difference between regular seasons was significant. The 2 seed was a fluke (game ahead of 2 other teams, and a low win total for a 2 seed), sure. I figured the lack of a one-on-one player was again going to be a challenge during crunch time in the playoffs.

But they just looked better -- better at ball and player movement on offense. It seemed they were better on D because they had Milsap but Jokic is still Jokic and Gary Harris was hurt most of the season. And I had never noticed how bad Murray was until White started running around him at will in this series. Depth seemed better; it helped that Beasley and Morris developed into cromulent role players.

But the O and DRtgns at Basketball reference have it the opposite. Ortng was ranked 6th in both seasons, but defense went from 25 to 10. So huh.

I'm not sure what chance I would have given them before the Spurs series, not that it matters (because I just don't know that much about basketball). Maybe 45-50%? But I think it was a reasonable expectation of Nuggets fans that they finally win a playoff series. Not anywhere near the average 2 vs 7 seed odds, but they *should* be able to do this. Maybe I am also discounting lack of playoff experience too much. I guess we'll see tonight.

Game 2 for a Nuggets fan was encouraging and discouraging at the same time. They adjusted and a bunch of Nuggets played well and won. OTOH a bunch of Nuggets played well, Murray went nuts in the 4th, and they still had to come from behind to win a closer-than-the-score game at home.


   158. PJ Martinez Posted: April 20, 2019 at 01:12 PM (#5833736)
I was happy to see Boston win a road game -- during the regular season, they were a .500 team on the road. But the Pacers without Oladipo just aren't a very good team, at least on offense. They really struggle to score.

The one other positive for the Celtics is that their original starting five (Irving, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Horford), which basically stopped playing together entirely after Stevens moved Brown and Hayward to the bench, has made a reappearance in the last couple of games (not as a starting unit, but later in games), and has looked really good. Any chance Boston has of advancing past the second round might depend on that group finally reaching its potential.

But they should be significant underdogs against Milwaukee. Nothing they've done against Indiana has changed that.
   159. tshipman Posted: April 20, 2019 at 01:19 PM (#5833739)
I think people are kinda overreacting to Denver.

White is playing way, way over his head, and will probably come back to earth. The Spurs in general are winning off jumpers, and a lot of that is just scheme. It's not like it's the same guys winning minutes for the Spurs. If you look, last game the Spurs starters beat Denver's starters, but in game 2 it was the opposite. In game 1, it was more even, but the Spurs bench pulled ahead.

To me, I'm way more worried if one lineup or player is just consistently positive than if it's all over the map. I think Denver is still approximately 50% to win. They're the significantly better team.

W/r/t Denver's defense:
Denver has been hedging/trapping with Jokic on PnRs all year. It sort of works because Jokic is so bad in drop coverage (and unplayable as a switch guy), but it's super exploitable in the playoffs. I haven't watched that series, so I don't know if that' happening or not. Pop normally doesn't run a ton of PnR, so I'd be surprised if that were true.
   160. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 04:28 PM (#5833812)
that's a regular foul
   161. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 04:28 PM (#5833813)
dudley should be ejected.
   162. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 04:29 PM (#5833815)
russell should get a technical foul for running into the scrum and shoving everyone into the crowd
   163. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5833817)
butler should get a technical for shoving dudley
   164. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 04:32 PM (#5833818)
how the #### do you eject butler????????
   165. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 04:32 PM (#5833819)
what the #### is that bullshit you worthless ####### func
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   166. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 04:33 PM (#5833821)
####### fuckoff refs.
   167. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 20, 2019 at 04:44 PM (#5833823)
Not enough Boban.
   168. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 05:02 PM (#5833829)
####### shitbag refs
   169. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 05:14 PM (#5833832)
####### shitty little white men.
   170. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: April 20, 2019 at 05:15 PM (#5833833)
STIGGLES, Tre Jones is returning to school so you can take him off your list.
   171. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 05:22 PM (#5833836)
"doubtful"
   172. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 05:32 PM (#5833837)
huge mistake by BRK calling out a timeout here.
   173. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 05:34 PM (#5833838)
yup. the sixers switched redick out for ennis.
   174. Tin Angel Posted: April 20, 2019 at 05:35 PM (#5833839)
The refs gave that one to the Sixers.
   175. SteveF Posted: April 20, 2019 at 05:40 PM (#5833840)
I guess Jamal Murray won't be guarding White anymore.

Edit: Or should I say 'guarding'

DoubleEdit: Typed too soon. Murray is back on him.
   176. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 05:45 PM (#5833841)
i know how BRK wound up losing that game, but how the #### did BRK wind up losing that game?

the sixers had a ton of turnovers.
they couldn't make a 3.
the refs called every touch foul they could see on the sixers.
they ejected jimmy butler over ####### nothing.
they let dangelo russell keep playing after he threw a ref into the 2nd row.


that was there for them.
   177. jmurph Posted: April 20, 2019 at 06:06 PM (#5833843)
i know how BRK wound up losing that game, but how the #### did BRK wind up losing that game?

Anytime you can run the biggest play of the season for Jarrett Allen you simply have to do it and then live with the consequences.

The real answer is Embiid. And also the Sixers are a much, much better team than Brooklyn, I think the Nets have significantly overachieved so far in this series. I mean, Redick's corpse and former Houston Astros great Mike Scott hit some big shots otherwise they probably win, what are you going to do.
   178. Harlond Posted: April 20, 2019 at 06:42 PM (#5833846)
Check Scott, he was probably scuffing the ball.
   179. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 06:45 PM (#5833847)
the Nets have significantly overachieved so far in this series
that is not true at all. BRK is shooting 33% from beyond the arc, giving up 120+ PPG, getting outrebounded by 12 per game.
Redick's corpse and former Houston Astros great Mike Scott hit some big shots otherwise they probably win, what are you going to do.

i can think of a few things:
1: stop throwing the ball out of bounds.
2: don't call a timeout that lets the sixers sub out jj redick for a better defender in the last two minutes
3: maybe try to rebound the ball once in a while?
   180. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 07:06 PM (#5833850)
   181. PJ Martinez Posted: April 20, 2019 at 07:07 PM (#5833851)
Butler's reaction is definitely the best part of that clip.
   182. jmurph Posted: April 20, 2019 at 07:10 PM (#5833853)
that is not true at all.

It’s not true that a team that isn’t very good that also isn’t playing very well has made this a closer series than many expected? Okay.
   183. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 07:33 PM (#5833864)
It's not true that a team that isn’t very good that also isn’t playing very well has made this a closer series than many expected? Okay.
i don't know how you get from
"they're not good" and "they're not playing well" to "they're significantly overachieving." you can't overachieve when you play like ####.
Butler's reaction is definitely the best part of that clip.
TRUTH. truth. so much truth.

also: this. i don't even care if it's fake.
   184. jmurph Posted: April 20, 2019 at 07:49 PM (#5833866)
They’re a Mike Scott three from being tied 2-2! Against a much better team!
   185. puck Posted: April 20, 2019 at 08:12 PM (#5833867)
Nuggets first win in San Antonio in 7 years or something like that.

How do teams tend to play the PNR? (I feel like I've asked this before). In the frustrating first half when it looked like the Nuggets were just going to go meekly, they rarely tried to fight over the screen and just switched. I wonder what the numbers would have looked like if I charted it. Seems like most of the Spurs easy buckets came when a player was going up against a switch. At other times the Nuggets just seem befuddled by simple movement like a player coming off screen wide and coming around for the ball up top...seemed like an effort thing.

They were much better in the second half. Though maybe none of this matters next to them being lights out from 3 (15-31).
   186. rr: drool-soaked and paralytic Posted: April 20, 2019 at 08:29 PM (#5833870)
Though maybe none of this matters next to them being lights out from 3 (15-31).


My guess is that this is how Popovich sees it.

174. Tin Angel Posted: April 20, 2019 at 05:35 PM (#5833839)
The refs gave that one to the Sixers.


168. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 05:02 PM (#5833829)
####### shitbag refs


It is in fact playoff time.
   187. SteveF Posted: April 20, 2019 at 09:18 PM (#5833873)
I guess maybe if Detroit can shoot better they might be able to only lose by 10-15.
   188. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: April 20, 2019 at 10:42 PM (#5833884)
####### shitbag refs


okay
   189. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: April 20, 2019 at 10:49 PM (#5833889)
Saw a Playoffs Pistons t-shirt at my local Kroger for $10 today. Really should've picked it up to have a keepsake to remind me of this magical run.
   190. . . . . . . Posted: April 20, 2019 at 11:01 PM (#5833891)
Embiid is really one of the most miserable humans I’ve seen on a court. Acts like because he’s a better basketball player than some of these other guys, he’s a better man than them. Part of sportsmanship is being gracious to guys who weren’t born with once-generation athletic gifts.

He’s also not as good as he thinks he is, which is not to say that Embiid isn’t excellent, just that he thinks he’s a cross between every top 10 player and then an improvement on that.
   191. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 20, 2019 at 11:36 PM (#5833895)
ky bowman:
very fluid.
surprisingly springy.
can use his left hand, but mostly just as a decoy.
creates room off a step back
more burst than wiggle
finishes with strength at the rim. `
he's a competitor. won't give up on a play, won't give up on a game.

handle isn't very tight.
uses space well.

he's kind of like a combination of deaaron fox (for his burst and finishing at the rim), monte morris (in the way that he attempts to manipulate defenses) and trevon duval (in that he's not particularly good at it).


i think duval's a pretty good comp for bowman. bowman's a bit more explosive, and he's further along in his development, but like duval he doesn't have any standout physical or statistical strengths, meaning his upside is a fringe top 10 PG who does a bunch of everything (jeff teague) with a downside of fringe NBDL PG.


(names are in order of preference within their respective tiers.
lottery:
top 40: ky bowman.
fringe draftable:
   192. SteveF Posted: April 21, 2019 at 01:26 AM (#5833902)
Utah had a pretty good year. I'm sad to see them go down like this.
   193. Booey Posted: April 21, 2019 at 01:52 AM (#5833903)
3's and free throws, man. If they could've just hit a damn free throw in the 3rd or a corner 3...well, pretty much the entire game...this game would have gone differently.

And I'm guessing they won't be gifted another 3/20 game from Harden (didn't hit his 1st FG until the 4th) again.
   194. spivey Posted: April 21, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5833969)
The series are starting to take a really nice shape
   195. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 21, 2019 at 02:38 PM (#5833971)
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The tracking numbers are in: The Jazz went 4 OF 26 on wide-open jump shots last night (defined as a shot with the defender more than 6 feet away). 4 OF 26. 15 PERCENT.


The Rockets and especially Harden tried to give the Jazz this game, but you don't deserve to win if you shoot that poorly. At least they would have still lost the first two games with better shooting, because this would have been much more annoying if it happened before it was obvious they're not any sort of challenge to the Rockets.
   196. Oriole Tragic: Walking Injustice Scenario Posted: April 21, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5833990)
BooeyCervo how would you rate Snyder's actual job security after this series? Do you guys think UTA needs to consider a different look for HC?
   197. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 21, 2019 at 04:51 PM (#5833998)
His job security is 100%. Everybody recognizes the issue for the Jazz is they need more talent to have a chance with the Rockets and/or Warriors.
   198. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: April 21, 2019 at 08:33 PM (#5834016)
Everybody recognizes the issue for the Jazz is they need more talent
jimmer &
jabari &
dedmon &
enes &
collison &
faried &
aminu &
teletovic &
anthony bennett.
   199. Booey Posted: April 21, 2019 at 08:45 PM (#5834017)
#196 - No, I don't think Snyder is the problem at all. The Jazz have some serious holes in their roster that they need to fill before they can hope to be legit contenders. They're good enough to get away with it against most of the league, but a team like the Rockets has the personnel to exploit those weaknesses with ease. At mimimum, Utah needs at least one more guy who can create his own shot and hit 3's in the starting lineup.

While getting stomped in the first round is certainly a disappointment after getting to the 2nd round in each of the last 2 seasons, I don't really think the Jazz regressed this year. They're just as good as they were when they beat the Clippers and Thunder. They just drew the worst possible match up for them in the first round. It sucks, and it shows that they definitely can't just stand pat this offseason again, but I don't think they need to overreact and start thinking of a coaching change yet, either.
   200. Booey Posted: April 21, 2019 at 08:57 PM (#5834019)
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