Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Tuesday, April 16, 2019

OT - NBA thread (Playoffs through off-season)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and this one only cares about the NBA thread and the Cubs so I have no idea what the rest of the website cares about.

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 16, 2019 at 02:18 PM | 6552 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: basketball, nba, off-topic

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

Page 20 of 66 pages ‹ First  < 18 19 20 21 22 >  Last ›
   1901. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 18, 2019 at 11:00 PM (#5843496)
flip
   1902. spivey Posted: May 18, 2019 at 11:02 PM (#5843497)
Portland was favored in this game which shocks me.
   1903. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 18, 2019 at 11:02 PM (#5843498)
I was gonna say Portland was choking this away, but it's not a choke when they're just better than you.
   1904. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: May 18, 2019 at 11:23 PM (#5843499)
Every Golden State playoff game seems to have the exact same script:

Halfway Through The Second Quarter: "And that three puts Team X up by 15! They really have the Warriors on the ropes!"

Exactly One Hour Later: "And that Steph Curry three-pointer extends Golden State's lead to 12."
   1905. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 18, 2019 at 11:24 PM (#5843500)
[1903] I don't know, the Warriors just extended their lead with a Thompson/Jerebko/Cook/Livingston/Looney lineup or something like that. That's not exactly the Dream Team.
   1906. spivey Posted: May 18, 2019 at 11:28 PM (#5843501)
McCollum what even are you doing.
   1907. tshipman Posted: May 18, 2019 at 11:29 PM (#5843502)
Would Kerr just play Looney already?
   1908. phredbird Posted: May 18, 2019 at 11:35 PM (#5843503)

Ladies and Gentlemen ... the Golden State Stab You In The Throat Warriors.
   1909. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 18, 2019 at 11:38 PM (#5843505)
That's fair. I don't know what to make of that series, or Embiid's performance in it.

w/r/t embiid's performance v. TOR, there are a few options to choose from:

1: he played like #### because he didn't care.
2: he played like #### because he's not very good.
3: he played like #### because he was seriously ill.
4: he played like #### because he choked.
5: he didn't play like ####; he just actively chose to change his playing style on the fly, resulting in a substantial loss of effectiveness.

   1910. tshipman Posted: May 18, 2019 at 11:38 PM (#5843506)
That's an interesting observation by accident by Mark Jackson.

Is Draymond worth a max to the Trailblazers?
   1911. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: May 19, 2019 at 12:23 AM (#5843513)
Isn't a motivated and in-shape Draymond worth a max to pretty much every playoff team?
   1912. Booey Posted: May 19, 2019 at 01:47 AM (#5843517)
As a side note, I don't think anyone responded to my 'Portland is the worst team to make the WCF in my adult life', but I think that's probably true. Who is in that discussion? The year Denver made it with Melo and went up 2-1 on the Lakers? I think that Denver team is more well rounded. The Memphis grit-and-grind team made it once, but I think that team is probably better too.


I thought so too at first, but just going back 15 or so years - so not even my entire adult life (I wish it was!) - there's actually been several that I think were just about on par. All of these teams had some fortunate circumstances fall into their laps that helped get them a round further than their actual talent warranted, and in most cases the real contenders definitively put them in their place in the WCF, same as the Warriors are doing to the Blazers.

So here's the ones that stood out to me as being more "true" 2nd round caliber teams than conference finalists:

2006 Suns - No Amare for the season. This was before the NBA did away with division winner based seeding, so PHX got the #2 seed with a 54-28 record while 60-22 Dallas was 4th because they didn't win their division (SAS went 63-19). Hell, the 44-38 Nuggets were 3rd because they did. While the juggernaut Spurs and Mavs had to meet up in an epic 2nd round dual, the Suns were able to slip into the WCF by beating the 45-37 pre-Pau Lakers and the 47-35 Elton Brand/Sam Cassell/Corey Maggette Clippers.

2007 Jazz - I hate putting my own guys here, but they went just 51-31 with a pythag of 49-33. As someone who watched A LOT of their games, I'm very confident that despite this being the DWill/Boozer teams longest playoff run, it was actually only their 3rd best team of their 4 playoff seasons (and the 2009 team was only worse because Booze missed half the season). The 2008 (54-28 with a 59-23 pythag) and 2010 (53-29 with a 55-27 pythag) Jazz teams that lost in the 2nd round were both better; they just had the misfortune of falling into the Kobe/Pau Lakers bracket both years. The 2007 Jazz lucked out quite a bit when the "We Believe!" Warriors knocked off the Mavs, so they got a 42 win 8th seed in the 2nd round rather than a 67 win 1st seed.

2009 Nuggets - Finished in a 3 way tie for 2nd with the Spurs and Blazers (all 54-28), but won the 2nd seed by virtue of tie-breakers. Their pythag was only 50-32 and their SRS was just 5th in the West. Also lucked out when 6th seed Dallas knocked off 3rd seed San Antonio, so Denver was able to get to the WCF by beating the ho-hum 49-33 Hornets (46-36 pythag) and the 50-32 Mavs (47-35) pythag.

2010 Suns - 54-28, but not really any better than the 2008 Suns who were the 6th seed (with 55 wins!) and lost in the first round. As far the SSOL Suns go, the 2005 team and the 2007 version (who lost in the 2nd round) were both better. They also lucked out a bit when the 7th seed Spurs knocked off the 2nd seed Mavs, so the Suns got to the WCF by beating 2 teams (Blazers and Spurs) who both went just 50-32. The 2010 West was pretty similar to the 2019 West actually, in that despite having only a few more wins than the other top teams, the #1 seed Lakers and Warriors were really in a class of their own in the conference, and none of the other teams were really any better than 2nd round caliber, but SOMEONE had to make the WCF by default.

2013 Grizzlies - They did go 56-26, but they caught a HUGE break when Westbrook suffered a season ending injury in the 1st round, helping Memphis beat the defending WC champion and regular season juggernaut Thunder (60-22 with a 64-18 pythag and a 9.15 SRS) in the 2nd round. The Spurs promptly showed Grit & Grind that they were a little out of their league in the Conference Finals.

2015 Rockets - Went 56-26, but with only a 50-32 pythag. This was pre D'Antoni and CP3, and back when Harden was merely an All Star rather than an MVP. They got to the WCF when the Lob City Clippers choked away a 3-1 series lead and a 20-something pt 2nd half lead in what would have been the closeout game 5.

2019 Blazers - Like 2010, one of those "No one really belongs there but SOMEONE has to meet the #1 seed in the WCF by default" seasons, and Portland got lucky by falling into a bracket that avoided both the Warriors and the Rockets until the Conference Finals (Denver would have been on this list had they won also).
   1913. rr: target market for blowhard nonsense Posted: May 19, 2019 at 02:46 AM (#5843519)
1912 is a good post.
   1914. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: May 19, 2019 at 03:00 AM (#5843521)
I think it depends on whether we are talking relative to the league, or true talent, or what, when we say "worst team." The NBA has a lot more talent than it did in the early 2000s, and is running much smarter and more efficient schemes. I am pretty sure the Blazers would wipe the floor with some of the early 2000 championship teams.
   1915. tshipman Posted: May 19, 2019 at 11:14 AM (#5843533)
I think it depends on whether we are talking relative to the league, or true talent, or what, when we say "worst team." The NBA has a lot more talent than it did in the early 2000s, and is running much smarter and more efficient schemes. I am pretty sure the Blazers would wipe the floor with some of the early 2000 championship teams.


You really like that Myers Leonard/Shaq matchup, huh?
   1916. Booey Posted: May 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM (#5843541)
I think it depends on whether we are talking relative to the league, or true talent, or what, when we say "worst team."


I think relative to the league is usually the best way to rank these things. IMO, conference finalists should be true championship contenders, so if you'd be shocked - SHOCKED! - if a particular team won the title, then they're by (my) definition a weak-ish conference finalist. I'd have been extremely surprised if this years Blazers - or any of the teams I mentioned in 1912 - took home the title. YMMV.
   1917. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 19, 2019 at 01:22 PM (#5843543)
I am pretty sure the Blazers would wipe the floor with some of the early 2000 championship teams.
There's zero chance this is true. If anything, these Blazers remind me of the teams that LOST to those early 2000s champions.
   1918. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 19, 2019 at 02:13 PM (#5843555)
As in all cross-era discussions we've had, the odds would depend a lot on which team's rules were being called. I think this Blazers team could run up the score on an early 2000s team if that team had to defend by today's rules, but Dame and CJ would really get bogged down by more serious handchecking.
   1919. tshipman Posted: May 19, 2019 at 03:23 PM (#5843564)
As in all cross-era discussions we've had, the odds would depend a lot on which team's rules were being called. I think this Blazers team could run up the score on an early 2000s team if that team had to defend by today's rules, but Dame and CJ would really get bogged down by more serious handchecking.


I mean, which early 2000s team are you talking about?

The Lakers wouldn't need hand checking. Shaq would score 60 points a game on 75% shooting with 30 rebounds.

The Spurs? The Pistons? Maybe the Blazers would run up the score. I have a hard time seeing it, given that they're mightily struggling with the Warriors' defense, and both those teams are on another level defensively.

Just as an aside: hand-checking is waaaaaaaaay overrated as a rule change. In the playoffs, hand checks never get called. The big rule change is the allowing of zone. I don't think that would have a ton of impact for the Blazers because they're really bad at doubling.
   1920. JJ1986 Posted: May 19, 2019 at 08:43 PM (#5843627)
Why can't Marv Albert pronounce Pascal Siakam's last name correctly?
   1921. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 19, 2019 at 08:50 PM (#5843628)
Why can't Marv Albert pronounce Pascal Siakam's last name correctly?
he probably lost his dentures when he bit the backside of another thai prostitute.
   1922. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 19, 2019 at 08:50 PM (#5843629)
BTW, MIL will win this game by double digits.
   1923. yo la tengo Posted: May 19, 2019 at 08:53 PM (#5843630)
How many days off will there be if both series end in a sweep - which seems likely now
   1924. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:04 PM (#5843631)
This smells like a gentleman's sweep, to me.
   1925. yo la tengo Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:06 PM (#5843632)
Super tired of this Progressive commercial
   1926. yo la tengo Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:08 PM (#5843633)
If the Bucks are this close with a quiet Giannis I cannot see how the Raps win more than one game in this series
   1927. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:13 PM (#5843634)
The Brook Lopez dribble drive and-1 made my head hurt.
   1928. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:15 PM (#5843636)
OK, it's gonna be a sweep sweep.
   1929. JJ1986 Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:16 PM (#5843638)
Fred VanVleet has been awful all playoffs, but this has got to be the nadir for him.
   1930. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:17 PM (#5843639)
I had expected VanVleet and Green to be better. It's very strange.
   1931. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:20 PM (#5843640)
Toronto has gotten some very friendly whistles in the last five minutes.
   1932. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:28 PM (#5843641)
Oh dang.
   1933. spivey Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:32 PM (#5843643)
Free basketball!

Toronto has played well tonight, credit to them. I do like their team, their city, their country. But let's sweep the leg here.
   1934. yo la tengo Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:32 PM (#5843644)
Body language for Bucks looks much better than for the Raps
   1935. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:32 PM (#5843645)
Yeah, at this point, I want the Bucks as well rested as possible for the series against GSW.
   1936. smileyy Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:33 PM (#5843646)
TIL Marc Gasol is a 3-point shooter.
   1937. spivey Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:34 PM (#5843647)
Danny Green's clutch shooting resume is unimpeachable. He is also probably the best Steph Curry defender in the NBA. Sometimes guys just don't make open shots. Van Vleet is a separate ballgame - he gets his mostly against non-locked in backup lineups, I think. Playoff intensity and length I think bothers him, though I still don't want him getting wide open 3s.
   1938. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:35 PM (#5843649)
I don't wonder why. Those two missed free throws were a knife to the gut. They've led this game basically all game, and they can't win this must-win in regulation, at home, after holding the other team to 37.6% shooting? That's gotta hurt. And now they don't have two key players for OT.
   1939. spivey Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:36 PM (#5843651)
Chris Webber, I assure you the analytics do not say for Eric Bledsoe to shoot a step back 3.
   1940. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:37 PM (#5843652)
I do think guard size has been an underrated reason for Toronto's struggles in the postseason, TBH, as Danny Green finally hits a shot.
   1941. spivey Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:37 PM (#5843653)
That was a ####### bullshit jump ball.
   1942. spivey Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:38 PM (#5843654)
Literally 4 players fouled Giannis right there.
   1943. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:39 PM (#5843655)
great defense by TOR on giannis, fouling him 7 times in half a second.
   1944. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:41 PM (#5843656)
CAMEROON POWER
   1945. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:48 PM (#5843658)
Reggie: "I like what Nick Nurse is doing here, not calling a timeout."
Nurse: <calls timeout>
Reggie: "Smart move by Nick Nurse here, he saw the indecision"
   1946. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:49 PM (#5843659)
I am never going back to watching the national broadcasts.
   1947. spivey Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:51 PM (#5843660)
AS, I was just going to say how unfair life is that Reggie Miller and Marv Albert are paid to announce basketball.

Milwaukee hasn't had a good game from any of their 3 best players. Granted, the role players have mostly been good. But it's impressive they are where they are.
   1948. spivey Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:54 PM (#5843661)
I don't hate that call on Giannis, he was late getting over, but Siakam was totally out of control.
   1949. phredbird Posted: May 19, 2019 at 09:57 PM (#5843662)

well, this is an exciting game and all, but watching these guys shoot so many bricks and fumble around all over the court, i can't see how either team is going to challenge GS.
   1950. spivey Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:01 PM (#5843664)
Eric Bledsoe is such a tricky player. His greatest offensive strengths are also his biggest weaknesses.
   1951. phredbird Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:01 PM (#5843665)

ouch that steal hurt MIL
   1952. spivey Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:02 PM (#5843666)
Siakam literally does the PJ Tucker foul every play nonsense.
   1953. phredbird Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:03 PM (#5843667)

jeez lopez wasn't fouled?

well on replay that looked different.
   1954. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:04 PM (#5843668)
Not on the road, he wasn't.
   1955. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:04 PM (#5843669)
Oh my God that Kawhi steal. It's absurd how much IQ he has on defense combined with the physical gifts.
   1956. phredbird Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:05 PM (#5843670)

huh kawhi double dribble not even called. come on. this is stupid.
   1957. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:07 PM (#5843672)
Drake trying to be a hardman is the most embarrassing thing in the world.
   1958. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:07 PM (#5843673)
That turnover was a dumb way to end this game. Kinda glad Toronto can extend the Bucks at least a game. Maybe they can still make a series out of this.
   1959. spivey Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:11 PM (#5843675)
Kawhi Leonard does not get fouled more than Giannis Antetokounmpo.
   1960. Master of the Horse Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:12 PM (#5843676)
Just weird in a league so determined to convince everyone the refs are awesome has a crew officiate a big game in such poor fashion. People are all ######## that this is terrible basketball and no #### when guys are beating the #### out of each other. Too bad really. Basketball can be awesome
   1961. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:12 PM (#5843677)
The Kawhi double dribble... I do get it. Refs "know" when to look for violations and when a violation comes at a weird time they miss it even when egregious. Like the time Durant was way out of bounds or the time Westbrook literally walked to half court holding the ball. Your brain isn't trained to look for it.
   1962. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:14 PM (#5843678)
One of these years I'll understand the rationale for having a player foul out in OT with the same number of fouls it would've taken him to foul out in regulation. There's a reason the pros require one more foul to disqualify a player than colleges, and seems to me the same logic would apply to OT.
   1963. Master of the Horse Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:16 PM (#5843680)
Toronto coach has to feel good that all his complaining paid off. Won’t feel great if Bud thinks he needs to respond in same. If the league is going to honor whining that is the league’s choice. Bucks need to hit shots
   1964. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:16 PM (#5843681)
57i66135' official sixers offseason rosterbation (post tyreke) version 1.2

--- butler opts out
draft carsen edwards (or jordan bone) at #24
draft grant williams (or chuma okeke or jalen mcdaniels or cam johnson or...) at #33

--- renounce all free agents (except butler)
--- at this point, the sixers would have around 30MM in cap room.

sign thaddeus young for 2 years / 10MM per year (team option in year 2)
sign tomas satoransky for 2 years / 8MM per year (team option in year 2)
sign avery bradley for 2 years / 7MM per year (team option in year 2)
sign nerlens noel for 3 years / 7MM per year
resign mike scott for 2 years / 5MM per year (cap exception; player option in year 2)
sign james ennis for the veteran minimum
sign taj gibson for the veteran minimum
resign jimmy butler for 5/190.



G: simmons -- edwards
G: bradley -- satoransky, zhaire
F: butler -- ennis
F: thad -- scott, bolden, williams
F: embiid -- nerlens, gibson

   1965. Master of the Horse Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:18 PM (#5843682)
Eric Bledsoe not helping shed the playoff rep. Not great
   1966. phredbird Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM (#5843683)

barkley and the jet both think giannis' last foul was not a foul, but a charge by kawhi.

y'know, whatever, but i think the officiating was erratic at best.
   1967. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: May 19, 2019 at 10:34 PM (#5843686)
I'm not going to put the loss on the officiating because the Bucks win that game if Giannis, Khris or Bledsoe have even an average game offensively. They were all terrible.
   1968. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 20, 2019 at 12:35 AM (#5843692)
i don't know that i'll have time to do a full run through of all of the PGs this year, but here's a few quick hitters:

carsen edwards:
plus wiggle; plus burst; he's strong and physical. great shooter. fearless about getting his shot off. plays on or off the ball. fights to make an impact on defense. deep, deep length. i'm a big fan. has kemba/isaiah upside.

jordan bone:
guy is springy. he doesn't have as much burst as deaaron, but he's in the very next tier down. he plays with an edge. shot is promising, but not guaranteed. he's ambitious, maybe even a little opportunistic, kind of in the mold of a kyle lowry or a donovan mitchell. i thought i'd like him more than i did.

jordan harper:
plus burst. wiggle/ish. shooter/ish. sturdy, and more explosive than he looks, but he's not very precise. it seems like he has a very high BBIQ, which means he's in the right place at the right time, and between that and his physical ability, things tend to work for him, but his game is missing sophistication. his handle is just a bit loose; his decision making is a step slow; his shot is just a bit off. those are all things he can improve on, but right now, he seems like more of a nate robinson/marcus smart than a conley or a lillard


tremont waters (LSU), chris clemons (campbell), ja morant (murray state), coby white (UNC), jordan bone (TENN), darius garland (VANDY), carsen edwards (purdue), ty jerome (UVA), makai mason (baylor), jaylen hands (UCLA), ky bowman (BC), jared harper (auburn), tre jones (dook), cassius winston (SPARTY), shamorie ponds (john), markell johnson (nc state), jarron cumberland (CINC), kerwin roach (texas), nickeil alexander-walker (VAT), markus howard (MARQ), daishon smith (LOUMN), shizz alston (temple), phil booth (NOVA), mckinley wright (COL), jaylen nowell (udub), tookie brown (GAS), deishuan booker (LBS), chris lykes (MIA), josh reaves (PSU), damean dotson (UK)']]

bold == done(/ish)


(names are in order of preference within their respective tiers.
lottery: carsen edwards,
top 40: jordan bone, jared harper, ky bowman.
fringe draftable:
   1969. strong silence Posted: May 20, 2019 at 01:01 AM (#5843693)
Jordan would have made that shot (that Kawhi missed).
   1970. tshipman Posted: May 20, 2019 at 02:10 AM (#5843694)
I feel like Nurse is kinda blowing this series.

In a double-OT game, they only played 8 guys? (technically 9, but Meeks didn't even get a whole minute). Several of those guys were stinking up the joint. There's no reason to go to Fred VanVleet for 30 minutes. He's been awful for two rounds now. You can't try Jodie Meeks in that spot?

There's been very little experimentation with lineups. Try two bigs a bit more? Try some Siakam at center?

You really cannot let Kawhi play 52 minutes. That's just shooting yourself in the foot.
   1971. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 20, 2019 at 09:33 AM (#5843708)
fun fact: the sixers traded the 31st pick in this year's draft with jahlil okafor and nik stauskas to BRK for 12 weeks of trevor booker.

thanks BC.
also, thanks eric jr.


bonus:
1840. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: December 07, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5588274)
the nets are a very well run organization.
1841. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: December 07, 2017 at 04:28 PM (#5588280)
Zach Lowe‏@ZachLowe_NBA 14m14 minutes ago

Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.
That's basically getting him for free, no?

and one more:
1860. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: December 07, 2017 at 10:58 PM (#5588520)
the sixers could have 5 extra wins if they had lou williams instead of jerryd bayless. this team is dying for a PG who can score off the dribble and do anything productive coming off the bench.


and last one:
1898. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: December 11, 2017 at 03:59 PM (#5590372)
ESPN PR @ESPNPR
ESPN will dedicate a full day of cross-platform coverage to the Philadelphia 76ers in a special content initiative called Philadelphia All Access this Friday, Dec. 15. http://bit.ly/AllPhilly
   1972. Davo Has Marianne Mindset Posted: May 20, 2019 at 09:42 AM (#5843709)
Ryan Saunders has been officially named as the permanent Head Coach of the Timberwolves. (According to the DJ on our local hipster radio station.)
   1973. NJ in NY (Now with Big Girl!) Posted: May 20, 2019 at 09:54 AM (#5843714)
Just wanted to highlight that stiggles is back to doing PG scouting reports for the draft...something I think he is legitimately good at. In case you were just scrolling past all his posts.
   1974. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 20, 2019 at 10:40 AM (#5843731)
devon dotson: too many weaknesses, and his strengths aren't developed yet. i feel like PGs like that don't develop in the NBA. he needs to stay in college for another 2 or 3 years.

shamorie ponds: i watched him last year and i wasn't a huge fan. this year, his handle still seems a bit loose. plays with good pace. good strength. i don't trust his shot at all. not very fluid. very below average burst. below average wiggle. below the rim athlete.

markell johnson: NBDL.

jaylen nowell: it is not an exagerration to say that half of this guy's highlights start with turnovers created by:

matisse thybulle: this guy's hands are as good as kawhi or iguodala or jahlil okafor or marcus smart. he has some offense to his game. his shot looks good. has some handle. good court vision. this guy is going to be in the NBA for a decade-plus, and he has legit star potential.

jaylen nowell: back to this guy...NBDL.

tookie brown: has no left hand. NBDL.

jarron cumberland: NBDL

tremont waters (LSU), chris clemons (campbell), ja morant (murray state), coby white (UNC), jordan bone (TENN), darius garland (VANDY), carsen edwards (purdue), ty jerome (UVA), makai mason (baylor), jaylen hands (UCLA), ky bowman (BC), jared harper (auburn), tre jones (dook), cassius winston (SPARTY), shamorie ponds (john), markell johnson (nc state), jarron cumberland (CINC), kerwin roach (texas), nickeil alexander-walker (VAT), markus howard (MARQ), daishon smith (LOUMN), shizz alston (temple), phil booth (NOVA), mckinley wright (COL), jaylen nowell (udub), matisse thybulle (wash), tookie brown (GAS), deishuan booker (LBS), chris lykes (MIA), josh reaves (PSU), devon dotson (UK)
bold == done


(names are in order of preference within their respective tiers.

lottery: matisse thybulle, carsen edwards

top 40: jordan bone, jared harper, ky bowman.

fringe draftable: jarron cumberland, devon dotson, markell johnson, jaylen nowell, shamorie ponds, tookie brown
   1975. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 20, 2019 at 10:45 AM (#5843734)
Just wanted to highlight that stiggles is back to doing PG scouting reports for the draft...something I think he is legitimately good at. In case you were just scrolling past all his posts.
thank you.


one more thought about matisse thybulle:
the feeling that i get from watching him is the same as what i got from watching lonzo ball, deaaron fox, landry shamet and monte morris. he plays with a precision that is rare and impressive.
   1976. SoSH U at work Posted: May 20, 2019 at 10:50 AM (#5843739)
lottery: carsen edwards,


I think you're right on where he should fit, but all of the predraft stuff pegs him early to mid-second round. I think someone's going to get a steal.

   1977. jmurph Posted: May 20, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5843749)
A day late, etc., and spivey mostly covered this, but the thing on the last page where we were pretending the Raptors aren't good was weird. They were very good this year and, as was pointed out, now get to play Kawhi real minutes.
   1978. Master of the Horse Posted: May 20, 2019 at 11:15 AM (#5843754)
Anyone else think Coach Bud is a bit slow in making adjustments?
   1979. jmurph Posted: May 20, 2019 at 11:23 AM (#5843759)
Anyone else think Coach Bud is a bit slow in making adjustments?

Hawks fans.
   1980. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: May 20, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5843765)
True.
Good coach, but more of a stay the course type.
   1981. Master of the Horse Posted: May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM (#5843772)
1979/1980--Not that Milwaukee should be undefeated in the playoffs but you can make the case the two losses were helped along by the coach not being that quick to adapt. When the value of each game is so high kind of a concern that implementing a counter takes so long. And Giannis is not James where he has seen everything and knows what to do without being told.

   1982. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 20, 2019 at 11:49 AM (#5843775)
I think you're right on where he should fit, but all of the predraft stuff pegs him early to mid-second round. I think someone's going to get a steal.

if i have time, i'll probably compare edwards' video vs. guys like shabazz napier, fred van vleet, tyus jones, yogi ferrell, demetrius jackson, to make sure i'm not overrating his skillset.
the feeling that i get from watching him is the same as what i got from watching lonzo ball, deaaron fox, landry shamet and monte morris. he plays with a precision that is rare and impressive.
oh, right...and keenan evans.

speaking of, i forgot how much fun it is to play the "spot zhaire smith in keenan evans' highlights" game. no player in the history of sports has worse body language when his teammate makes a shot than zhaire smith. that's not a criticism, btw. it's like he knows he's in position to do something amazing if his teammate misses, but because the shot goes in, he doesn't have the chance.
   1983. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 20, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5843777)
I guess Magic just unloaded on Rob Pelinka this morning.
   1984. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 20, 2019 at 11:54 AM (#5843778)
I guess Magic just unloaded on Rob Pelinka this morning.
the male buss siblings did not make out very well, either.
   1985. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 20, 2019 at 12:27 PM (#5843789)
the male buss siblings did not make out very well, either

Rich kids are so rarely good kissers... Wait what are we talking about?
   1986. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: May 20, 2019 at 12:31 PM (#5843793)
1981 - yes. That said, I'd still take him as my coach.
   1987. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 20, 2019 at 12:48 PM (#5843799)
Mike McGraw @McGrawDHBulls 27m27 minutes ago

Quick quiz: How many top-10 draft picks have taken the floor for the Bucks and Raptors in the Eastern Conference finals?
   1988. Master of the Horse Posted: May 20, 2019 at 12:53 PM (#5843801)
1986--Totally. Really the next level of leadership should be coaching the coach on this stuff."Bud, dude, love you babe. But hey, let's feel the fierce urgency of NOW, ok? Thanks!"
   1989. Master of the Horse Posted: May 20, 2019 at 12:54 PM (#5843803)
1987--1? I know Lopez was a first round pick at 10 for the Nets. All I got
   1990. spivey Posted: May 20, 2019 at 01:03 PM (#5843808)
I wasn't able to watch the first half of the game, but were there any specific examples of Milwaukee being slow to adjust or Bud not coaching well last night in particular?

He is loyal to his rotations, but I didn't see much of an issue there last night. Middleton, Giannis, and Bledsoe all shot the ball poorly. Those are their 3 leading scorers. They cannot expect to win if they don't get better games from one or two of them.

It did seem like Kawhi was on Giannis more, and would maybe like some more Giannis/Middleton pnrs to get Giannis started closer to the basket against Kawhi. But mostly, last night felt like a make or miss loss to me, as a Bucks fan.
   1991. Master of the Horse Posted: May 20, 2019 at 01:12 PM (#5843812)
1990--Not stating he coached poorly. But going back to the Celtics series the C's defense was nothing new according to everyone who knows both teams and so folks were surprised that Bud did not have an immediate counter but had to wait until Game 2 was long before changing things up. Last night Giannis seemed to get going when he played center which happened, what, early fourth quarter?

Absolutely agree that missed shots was the big issue, and Middleton has been missing shots all series which is why I asked if playing D against KL has hurt his offense. But Bledsoe missing is kind of his brand in the playoffs, right? So if KM is not hitting and you are expecting Bledsoe to suddenly turn things around while letting Giannis be stoned that seems like an odd tactic
   1992. Paul D(uda) Posted: May 20, 2019 at 01:14 PM (#5843814)
I wonder how different things would be if the Raptors had signed Bud.
   1993. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 20, 2019 at 01:16 PM (#5843815)
1987--1? I know Lopez was a first round pick at 10 for the Nets. All I got

Yep, he's the only one.
   1994. Harlond Posted: May 20, 2019 at 02:25 PM (#5843852)
I seem to recall reading that Magic had been expressly authorized to fire Walton and was on his way to do so when he decided instead to quit on live TV. If that's correct, not sure why Magic is saying that Jeannie Buss vacillating on firing Walton was the last straw. Whatever the case, seems correct to say Magic is not handling this issue in the best possible manner.
   1995. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 20, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5843855)
A day late, etc., and spivey mostly covered this, but the thing on the last page where we were pretending the Raptors aren't good was weird. They were very good this year and, as was pointed out, now get to play Kawhi real minutes.


The Raptors "aren't good" in the sense that most of their players literally seem to be not good enough to play in the playoffs. The Bucks very much don't have this problem.
   1996. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 20, 2019 at 02:48 PM (#5843859)
The Raptors have 8 players who've played over 200 minutes in the playoffs. Then next on the list is Jodie Meeks with 63 minutes. And for 2 of those 3 bench guys, a loud "uh-oh" is heard every time they've tried to do something (VanVleet, Powell). The bench was their strength the last few years and I don't know what happened to those two guys in particular.

All 4 remaining teams have played 15 games. The Blazers have 10 players with more than 100 playoff minutes. The Bucks have 10. The Warriors have 9. The Raptors have 8.
   1997. aberg Posted: May 20, 2019 at 03:35 PM (#5843879)
matisse thybulle: this guy's hands are as good as kawhi or iguodala or jahlil okafor or marcus smart. he has some offense to his game. his shot looks good. has some handle. good court vision. this guy is going to be in the NBA for a decade-plus, and he has legit star potential.


I have watched about 80% of Thybulle's games over the last two years and seen him in person many times. I agree with your assessment of him. Since you usually focus on PGs in these write-ups, I'd warn people not to think of him as a primary initiator. He will play as a 2/3 in the NBA with a >7' wingspan and exceptional quick hands. The defense is and will be his calling card. He put up some defensive numbers that have hardly ever been in done CBB before, but Zion matched some of his numbers so it didn't get as much attention.

It's fair to point out that he was especially productive as the top of the 2-3 zone where he had a back line to help him if he gambled for a deflection. On the other hand, opposing gameplans came to be built entirely around avoiding him and he was still getting 5, 6, 7+ steals plus blocks per game. He is not only REALLY quick, he has outstanding anticipation and preparation- he knows where he will have the best chance to get his hands on the ball. When you think of great on-ball defenders, he doesn't have the sheer physicality of someone like Kawhi or Artest. He's more like Bruce Bowen or Scottie Pippen with great quickness, positioning, and hands. Avery Bradley could do some of that when he entered the league, but he didn't have the size to generate deflections to go with his stickiness. He will give opposing ball-handlers fits from the day he steps on the court.

He will have to be able to contribute offensively to go with that defense. His shot is ok. He usually gets decent arc, but he doesn't have a pure release (it's a little 2-handed), which leads to imperfect rotation/touch. There's a big difference in his shooting off of a pass (very good) vs. off the dribble (very bad). I'm a little more bearish than S7I66135 on his ball-handling or vision. I'd say he will enter the league a little below average in both categories, but they won't doom him. He is a very good cutter and leaper, so when he gets the ball with a lane to the basket, he will dunk it hard. He's also great in transition. He played four years in college, so he probably doesn't have a huge amount of untapped potential. I think the areas where he could get a little better are (1) tightening up his release so he can get a little better in catch-and-shoot and (2) get good enough off the bounce to attack a close-out and get to his ability to attack the rim. If he does those things, he can be in the range of Jae Crowder-Robert Covington-Khris Middleton offensively.

Altogether, he will step on the floor as a very good defender. For a guy projected to get drafted outside the lottery, it's rare to get someone that good at one thing that is that useful off the bat. I agree than he has a really good chance to have a 10-year career.

If you aren't sold on him, there's a cool story about him that probably doesn't get national attention. His mom died (of cancer, I think) when he was in high school. Every year, on the anniversary of her death, he and his family go to the hospital where she died to visit and thank the hospital staff who cared for her. They've been doing all of this every year for 5-6 years and they have become really close with the nurses at that hospital.
   1998. DCA Posted: May 20, 2019 at 03:52 PM (#5843893)
The Raptors "aren't good" in the sense that most of their players literally seem to be not good enough to play in the playoffs.

Wasn't the knock about the Raptors recently that their bench was so good (compared to other benches) but that was less valuable in the playoffs when rotations are shorter and top-heavy? They don't seem to have any bench at all. I get that Anunoby is injured, but you'd think that Lin and McCaw could play some more minutes. McCaw was in the regular rotation for a championship team and Lin has been a starter/quasi-starter on a couple of playoff teams. Lin was active for game 3 and he couldn't have been worse than FVV was.
   1999. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: May 20, 2019 at 04:12 PM (#5843915)
aberg's take on Thybulle is pretty good.
   2000. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: May 20, 2019 at 04:36 PM (#5843927)
the range of Jae Crowder-Robert Covington-Khris Middleton offensively
I think this is a bigger range than the phrasing would suggest.
Page 20 of 66 pages ‹ First  < 18 19 20 21 22 >  Last ›

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

News

All News | Prime News

Old-School Newsstand


BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
cardsfanboy
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogTom Brady’s bid to trademark ‘Tom Terrific’ rejected
(9 - 2:11pm, Aug 25)
Last: bobm

NewsblogOMNICHATTER for the weekend of August 24-25, 2019
(43 - 2:01pm, Aug 25)
Last: The Yankee Clapper

NewsblogBaseball fans trashed the MLB Players' Weekend black-and-white jerseys
(31 - 1:39pm, Aug 25)
Last: Tom Nawrocki

NewsblogOT Soccer Thread - A New Season is Upon Baldrick
(582 - 1:33pm, Aug 25)
Last: AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther

NewsblogOT - 2019 NFL thread
(8 - 1:22pm, Aug 25)
Last: kubiwan

NewsblogAdeiny Hechavarria gives Mets a million reasons to remember game-changing double
(3 - 12:13pm, Aug 25)
Last: Captain Supporter

NewsblogOnly 20 Years Old, Soto ‘Way Above His Years’
(1 - 12:04pm, Aug 25)
Last: Esoteric

NewsblogOT - Catch-All Pop Culture Extravaganza (August 2019)
(268 - 11:44am, Aug 25)
Last: Lassus

NewsblogIs Mike Trout really better than Derek Jeter?
(53 - 10:53am, Aug 25)
Last: Eric J can SABER all he wants to

NewsblogShould We Always Deride the Concrete Donut?
(11 - 9:46am, Aug 25)
Last: Gonfalon Bubble

NewsblogOT - 2018 NFL thread
(1333 - 9:06am, Aug 25)
Last: puck

NewsblogOT - August/September 2019 College Football thread
(81 - 1:26am, Aug 25)
Last: Lance Reddick! Lance him!

NewsblogJustin Verlander responds after Astros block Free Press from media session
(45 - 1:08am, Aug 25)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

NewsblogAlex Rodriguez shares painful details of MLB suspension on Danica Patrick's podcast
(30 - 12:22am, Aug 25)
Last: QLE

NewsblogOrioles clean house, fire 11 members of scouting and front office departments
(16 - 11:46pm, Aug 24)
Last: QLE

Page rendered in 0.7312 seconds
46 querie(s) executed