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Tuesday, April 16, 2019

OT - NBA thread (Playoffs through off-season)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and this one only cares about the NBA thread and the Cubs so I have no idea what the rest of the website cares about.

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 16, 2019 at 02:18 PM | 6749 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   2201. JJ1986 Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:21 PM (#5845023)
LeBron had really good advanced numbers and I'm not sure there was a great choice to be on instead. Siakam maybe?
   2202. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:21 PM (#5845024)
flip
   2203. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:21 PM (#5845025)
link:

Players who could qualify for a super-max contract by meeting the criteria in 2018/19:

Giannis Antetokounmpo (Bucks)
Bradley Beal (Wizards)
Andre Drummond (Pistons)
Draymond Green (Warriors)
Damian Lillard (Trail Blazers)
Klay Thompson (Warriors)
Kemba Walker (Hornets)

Technically, any player who earns an All-NBA spot in 2018/19 and meets the contract criteria can qualify for a super-max, but the players listed above are probably the only legitimately viable candidates. And even in this group, guys like Beal and Drummond are a real stretch — if they were to improbably make an All-NBA team, their clubs still probably wouldn’t put Designated Veteran Extension offers on the table, since they’re not bona fide superstars.

Thompson and Walker will both be unrestricted free agents in 2019, so if they meet the DVE criteria, they’d be eligible for five-year contracts with their respective teams worth up to a projected $221.27MM. Lillard and Green are still under contract for at least one more year beyond this season, but they’d qualify for super-max extensions if they meet the criteria — Lillard could get an extra four years, while Green could get five.


   2204. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:22 PM (#5845026)
Oh boy, if the Hornets actually give Kemba the supermax, yikes.
   2205. JJ1986 Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:22 PM (#5845027)
Kemba's gone from the Horcats then (which is probably for the best for both).
   2206. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:22 PM (#5845028)
@ShamsCharania
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Damian Lillard and Kemba Walker are now eligible for the NBA's super maximum contract extension this summer. Klay Thompson and Bradley Beal were left off All-NBA teams.


So do the Hornets actually offer it? Kemba is my dream scenario for the Jazz (don't think it will happen, but don't think it's a 0% chance like Durant/Kawhi/etc.), but if Hornets offer him a super max there's no way he can turn that down, right?
   2207. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:25 PM (#5845030)
Bobby Marks @BobbyMarks42 13m13 minutes ago

Earning All-NBA for a second consecutive season now has Giannis Antetokounmpo eligible in the summer of 2020 to sign the largest contract in NBA history. The five-year extension starting in 2021-22 would be worth $247.3M and carry a $42.6, $46.0, $49.5, $52.9 and $56.3M cap hit.

Bobby Marks @BobbyMarks42 12m12 minutes ago

Here are the options for Kemba Walker as he enters free agency:

Super max- 5 years/$221M

Bird (w/CHA)- 5 years/$190M

Team w/room- 4 years/$141M

Difference between the super max and signing with a new team is $80M.
   2208. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:25 PM (#5845031)
Sorry everyone, I have no idea how I mixed that up. I apparently posted someone's ballot.
   2209. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:30 PM (#5845036)
No supermax for you, jmurph.
   2210. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:35 PM (#5845040)
Ramona Shelburne @ramonashelburne 3m3 minutes ago

Warriors announce that it’s “unlikely” Kevin Durant will play at the beginning of the Finals but “hopeful” he could return at some point during the series


That's a big deal, IMO.
   2211. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:36 PM (#5845041)
Hoping Blake keeps his spot on the 3rd All-NBA team next year and some Pistons guard finds his way to the 17th All-NBA team. I'd probably settle for 20th All-NBA team.
   2212. sardonic Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5845042)
Is it me or would the 2nd team beat the 1st team?

Giannis
Harden
Steph
PG13
Jokic

vs.

Embiid
KD
Lillard
Kawhi
Kyrie

   2213. JC in DC Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:41 PM (#5845047)
It'd be a great game, no question. I love the glue that Jokic provides for 1st team.
   2214. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:43 PM (#5845049)
No supermax for you, jmurph.

I want out! I want my own thread, you ####### aren't taking me to the next level anyway.
   2215. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:43 PM (#5845050)
So do the Hornets actually offer it? Kemba is my dream scenario for the Jazz (don't think it will happen, but don't think it's a 0% chance like Durant/Kawhi/etc.), but if Hornets offer him a super max there's no way he can turn that down, right?
i don't think it matters.

if they keep him, they're a fringe playoff team, at best.
if they let him leave, they're committing to a 3+ year rebuild.

there are no good options here.
   2216. spivey Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:50 PM (#5845057)
There aren't enough balls to go around for team 1, but Steph/Harden is way, way better than Lillard/Kyrie.
   2217. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:51 PM (#5845059)
2207--2021-2022 would be Giannis' age 27 season per BBREF. So that's ages 27-31. I am down with that if those are still the rules because you need a great player to win and dude will be in his prime.
   2218. sardonic Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:52 PM (#5845061)
The first team has three players you can attack/pick on: Harden, Curry and Jokic, while the 2nd team only has two in Dame and Kyrie. The second team has a legit rim protector in Embiid at least, though I think you try to pull him out on the perimeter. The 1st team has a monster help defender in Giannis.

Obviously the teams aren't constructed in any way at all, but looking at it more I like the way the 2nd team matches up to the first. Embiid, Kawhi and KD could I think keep Kyrie and Dame afloat on defense, while I think Giannis and PG13 would get overrun in the end.
   2219. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:54 PM (#5845065)
Kirk Goldsberry @kirkgoldsberry 6m6 minutes ago

The Last First Team All-NBA squad that didn't include LeBron
2006-07
FIRST TEAM
F: Tim Duncan
F: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Amar'e Stoudemire
G: Kobe Bryant
G: Steve Nash
   2220. spivey Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:58 PM (#5845073)
Bucks absolutely should offer Giannis the supermax. Will be interesting if they are willing to pay Brogdon and Middleton their market value, though. I'm also unsure what the market value for each is. I think Middleton has to stay.
   2221. NJ in NY (Now with Big Girl!) Posted: May 23, 2019 at 02:59 PM (#5845074)
The flattening of the lottery odds makes offering Kemba the supermax and committing to being ok more defensible IMO.
   2222. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2019 at 03:01 PM (#5845075)
The flattening of the lottery odds makes offering Kemba the supermax and committing to being ok more defensible IMO.

I think I agree, while also feeling pretty certain it's going to really hurt in years 4 and 5.

This Kemba/Charlotte situation is the perfect illustration of the supermax not working as intended. Make that amount above the regular max not count against the cap and it's a whole different picture.
   2223. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2019 at 03:04 PM (#5845078)
Would KAT's contract have increased if he made one of the teams?
   2224. sardonic Posted: May 23, 2019 at 03:06 PM (#5845081)
I think the Bucks and the Hornets are obviously in very different situations. I think this Bucks team has done more than enough to justify bringing the core back and rolling with it for the next few years. At that point, you're capped out and just using Bird Rights to retain your top players anyway, so giving Giannis the supermax doesn't really change their ability to add talent. A bigger check for ownership to pay, especially once they get into repeater tax territory, but I think this is a team you pay the tax for -- a team with a multi-year window of legit contention.
   2225. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2019 at 03:13 PM (#5845082)
Would KAT's contract have increased if he made one of the teams?

To answer my own question, yes:
Karl-Anthony Towns similarly didn't make an All-NBA Team and his contract will remain a five-year, $158 million deal instead of a five-year, $191 million pact under the Rose rule.

Rare good news for the Wolves!
   2226. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 23, 2019 at 03:13 PM (#5845083)
The flattening of the lottery odds makes offering Kemba the supermax and committing to being ok more defensible IMO.


No way. It's not about the not-tanking-for-a-pick, it's just about being a good use of cap space. Kemba is not worth a supermax and the Horcats have no way to make up falling behind the salary cap. If they sign Kemba to the supermax, they are ###### as far as being a contender goes. Forget tanking, let Kemba go and use that $45-50M on other players and you'll have a better team at the end of the day, with more upside.
   2227. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 23, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5845088)
This Kemba/Charlotte situation is the perfect illustration of the supermax not working as intended. Make that amount above the regular max not count against the cap and it's a whole different picture.

Right, looks like the Horcats are gonna have to pay the tax, too, if they keep him either way.
   2228. spivey Posted: May 23, 2019 at 03:25 PM (#5845091)
I agree that Charlotte needs to let Kemba walk if the two options are supermax or go. If they offer him what others could or a bit more, that changes the equation.

But they pretty much need an overhaul anyways. Having Kemba ball out with a bunch of scrubs keeps them some level of entertaining, but they're locked in to being a 35-48 win team.
   2229. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 23, 2019 at 03:27 PM (#5845092)
If you're Kemba's agent, you drop a player comparison to John Wall on the table, say you won't take anything less than the super max, and then just drop the mic and leave, right? This is not going to be good.
   2230. jmurph Posted: May 23, 2019 at 03:28 PM (#5845093)
If you're Kemba's agent, you drop a player comparison to John Wall on the table

No, I think you very much do not mention John Wall's name when trying to get your player paid.

EDIT: Missing sarcasm, probably...
   2231. NJ in NY (Now with Big Girl!) Posted: May 23, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5845097)
If they sign Kemba to the supermax, they are ###### as far as being a contender goes. Forget tanking, let Kemba go and use that $45-50M on other players and you'll have a better team at the end of the day, with more upside.

No one good is going to sign with CHA. To me, the options are Kemba stays and you're a mid 30s to mid 40s team hoping to luck into a great player in the draft but maybe you sell some tickets along the way OR Kemba leaves and you're a bad team hoping to luck into a great player in the draft while not selling any tickets along the way.
   2232. RJ in TO Posted: May 23, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5845106)
No one good is going to sign with CHA. To me, the options are Kemba stays and you're a mid 30s to mid 40s team hoping to luck into a great player in the draft but maybe you sell some tickets along the way OR Kemba leaves and you're a bad team hoping to luck into a great player in the draft while not selling any tickets along the way.
This was my same thought. If Kemba leaves, no one worthwhile is signing with Charlotte unless Charlotte hugely overpays, no one else wants that player, or both. And with the flattening of the draft lottery, there's an increased chance that three-year rebuild may turn into a ten-year rebuild. Letting Kemba go for nothing seems like a great way to ensure the Hornets are relocated again.
   2233. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 23, 2019 at 04:10 PM (#5845113)
But you don't need to sign a premium guy to come out ahead. Sign Rudy Gay, Nik Vucevic, and Bojan Bogdanovic or something. It's a better use of $45M than Kemba and two guys making the minimum. Or take the Wall or Wiggins contract and pick up some nice picks or prospects for your trouble.

I'm not convinced that Charlotte is a dead end market. There's a lot of basketball talent for which it's the closest NBA city (including Duke/UNC), I'm not expecting Steph Curry to walk through that door but it seems like it'd have some appeal to some folks. Plus, the nearest other teams, Atlanta and Washington, aren't exactly marquee franchises. I don't know.
   2234. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 23, 2019 at 04:29 PM (#5845124)
Side note: of the 5 people on the All-NBA First Team, only one of them (Harden) went to a major conference school, and not a powerhouse school at that. Curry and George went to mid-majors; Giannis and Jokic were internationals.
   2235. sardonic Posted: May 23, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5845125)
I'm not convinced that Charlotte is a dead end market. There's a lot of basketball talent for which it's the closest NBA city (including Duke/UNC), I'm not expecting Steph Curry to walk through that door but it seems like it'd have some appeal to some folks. Plus, the nearest other teams, Atlanta and Washington, aren't exactly marquee franchises. I don't know.


Who knows, maybe they can get a 34 y/o Steph to come home, Lebron-style, and try to lead the franchise to a title. His shooting would probably still play even if the finishing would have slipped a bit, you'd probably have a couple years of legit All Star performance. Curry has always openly been a big Charlotte homer.
   2236. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: May 23, 2019 at 04:39 PM (#5845126)
As with every current market, Charlotte can rise to prominence* with a few years of good drafting and shrewd cap/talent management. MJ's management hadn't been very impressive, though (and Bob Johnson's was an absolute trainwreck before him), so I imagine that realistically, they'd need a bit more luck than many teams.

* I mean, basketball prominence: wins, All-Star/-NBA selections, the ability to sign good free agents, players with TV commercials, etc. Media prominence is obviously different: we still live in a world where the Knicks are still one of the most covered/rumored teams, after all.
   2237. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 23, 2019 at 05:08 PM (#5845140)
CHO's steadfast commitment to a core that hasn't made the playoffs in the last 3 years is kind of remarkable. also, very odd.

6 of the top 7 players in their rotation this year were also in their rotation 4 years ago (not to mention frank the tank, who started 5 playoff games that year).


i'd have thought that cup check would have wanted to put his mark on the team when he got there, but...nope. he just ran it back.
   2238. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 23, 2019 at 05:31 PM (#5845147)
Not only did he run it back, he even reacquired Hornets legend Bismack Biyombo! What a world.
   2239. aberg Posted: May 23, 2019 at 07:25 PM (#5845195)
Karl-Anthony Towns similarly didn't make an All-NBA Team and his contract will remain a five-year, $158 million deal instead of a five-year, $191 million pact under the Rose rule.

Rare good news for the Wolves!


Other than the cap, I'd want him to get as much money as possible. Of course, the cap is a thing, so saving 5% of your flexibility every year is very good for the team. It probably doesn't matter since Wiggins is also there on a max salary, but if someone can Houdini him onto the Kings, who knows?
   2240. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 23, 2019 at 07:53 PM (#5845202)
I just realized I was probably wrong denigrating the Kings' acquisition of Harrison Barnes -- he's probably what's blocking them from trading for Wiggins. Good move, Vlade!
   2241. If on a winter's night a baserunner Posted: May 23, 2019 at 07:58 PM (#5845203)
I mean, The Black Falcon is easy to mock, but that team needed a big wing in a bad way, and decent ones (which Barnes is, though he's not much better than "decent" and he's paid like "excellent") are hard to find.

EDIT: this seems pretty tractable, actually: anyone have the numbers for how the Kings played with/without Barnes? I'd look it up myself, but I'm all busy at work, alas.
   2242. spivey Posted: May 23, 2019 at 08:26 PM (#5845204)
I just want the refs to give Giannis to get the same calls Lowry and Kawhi get.

SWORDFISH
   2243. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:18 PM (#5845207)
This game is gonna finish 74-67.
   2244. phredbird Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:20 PM (#5845208)

if i am a milwaukee fan i'm worried. it sure looks like toronto has figured out giannis, they just collapse on him when he's got the ball, he can't or won't shoot a jumper, and everybody he dumps the ball off to misses the open shot.

   2245. spivey Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:23 PM (#5845209)
It’s reasonable that Toronto has more free throws, they shot more free throws in the regular season, and are at home
   2246. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:24 PM (#5845210)
You don't see that too often.
   2247. phredbird Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:24 PM (#5845211)

It’s reasonable that Toronto has more free throws, they shot more free throws in the regular season, and are at home


???
   2248. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:30 PM (#5845212)
Some team needs to step up and force Milwaukee to pay through the nose to keep Brogdon.
   2249. phredbird Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:33 PM (#5845213)

sloppy finish for the half
   2250. spivey Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:37 PM (#5845215)
Danny Green has not shown up to this series.
   2251. spivey Posted: May 23, 2019 at 09:48 PM (#5845217)
Milwaukee is both getting nerfed on fouls at the basket but will also need to player
   2252. spivey Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:04 PM (#5845218)
I would kill Kyle Lowry if given the chance
   2253. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:22 PM (#5845219)
The Barneys really do have an outstanding half-court defence.
   2254. sardonic Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:29 PM (#5845221)
It seems to be far too easy for the Barneys to get Brook Lopez switched onto Kawhi. That matchup isn't going to look any better when it's Steph Curry, assuming they get that far.
   2255. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:29 PM (#5845222)
BASKETBALL ROBOT
   2256. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:30 PM (#5845223)
i don't want to sound like some fred hoiberg...but that step back is a travel.
   2257. NJ in NY (Now with Big Girl!) Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:30 PM (#5845224)
Kawhi Leonard, best player in the NBA, is not a thing I ever anticipated thinking.
   2258. Red Voodooin Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:34 PM (#5845225)

Kawhi Leonard, best player in the NBA, is not a thing I ever anticipated thinking.


I came here to say this. He's Pippen on defense, Kobe on offense.
   2259. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:36 PM (#5845226)
i don't want to sound like some fred hoiberg...but that step back is a travel.
to be clear, i'm not saying all step backs are travels, or that all of kawhi's step backs are travels; just that one. you can't tap your toe and then shuffle your feet like that.


pat cannoughting to brook lopez in the 4th quarter of a playoff game. MIL deserves to lose this franchise.
   2260. JJ1986 Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:37 PM (#5845227)
FVV is +30 right now.
   2261. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:38 PM (#5845228)
I came here to say this. He's Pippen on defense, Kobe on offense.
he's wilt chamberlain in the streets, tim duncan in the sheets.
   2262. spivey Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:39 PM (#5845229)
The Raptors are literally only winning this game due to the refs. It shocks me none of you are talking about that.
   2263. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:41 PM (#5845230)
The Raptors are literally only winning this game due to the refs. It shocks me none of you are talking about that.
i thought i was ready for FULL SPIVEL. i was not ready for FULL SMEARGEL
   2264. Red Voodooin Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:43 PM (#5845231)

The Raptors are literally only winning this game due to the refs. It shocks me none of you are talking about that.


I don't see this at all, and frankly I come here because this is the only place where you can 'game chat' without refs being the central discussion.
   2265. tshipman Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:45 PM (#5845232)
The Raptors are literally only winning this game due to the refs. It shocks me none of you are talking about that.


Toronto: 17/19 FTs
Milwaukee: 13/18 FTs

Milwaukee is losing because they are shooting 30% from 3 and Toronto is at 40%.
   2266. NJ in NY (Now with Big Girl!) Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:45 PM (#5845233)
[2262] The refs have sucked for MIL...but MIL hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire.
   2267. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:53 PM (#5845235)
The Bucks seem really tight to me. Of course missing shots tends to make a team look that way.
   2268. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:54 PM (#5845236)
Hey, remember when FVV was unplayable and Nurse was a moron for not juggling his rotation?
   2269. spivey Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:56 PM (#5845238)

I don't see this at all, and frankly I come here because this is the only place where you can 'game chat' without refs being the central discussion.


As one of the content guys, I’ll try to explain something. Toronto is below average at drawing fouls and meh at preventing foul shots. If Giannis got the foul calls that Kawhi got them he’d have 20 free throws a game. Siakam grabs across the chest literally every play someone drives on him. Lowry reaches as much as he flops. If you can’t see that, keep lurking.
   2270. spivey Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:56 PM (#5845239)
The problem some of you are making is assuming free throws should be even.
   2271. JJ1986 Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:57 PM (#5845240)
Why did Toronto just call timeout?
   2272. NJ in NY (Now with Big Girl!) Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:58 PM (#5845241)
The refs are letting the Raptors get away with a lot of contact on Giannis. The Bucks are also playing “tight”/like an inexperienced playoff team. A lot of rushed drives into nothing and jumping before knowing where your pass is.
   2273. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:59 PM (#5845242)
Shouldn't that have been a half-court violation? They brought the ball past halfcourt before calling the timeout. You can still throw into the backcourt after a timeout?
   2274. sardonic Posted: May 23, 2019 at 10:59 PM (#5845243)
Feels like Giannis doesn't quite have the handle to totally create his own looks consistently* enough to impose his will and get 30-40 points when teams scheme to collapse on him, and with Khris Middleton shitting the bed, Milwaukee didn't have enough to pull through.

* Or at least the veteran savvy to use what he's got to get them
   2275. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:01 PM (#5845246)
I do not understand the backcourt rules.
   2276. phredbird Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:04 PM (#5845247)

what a bummer of a game.

just not a good look for MIL.
   2277. Red Voodooin Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:05 PM (#5845248)
If Giannis got the foul calls that Kawhi got them he’d have 20 free throws a game. Siakam grabs across the chest literally every play someone drives on him. Lowry reaches as much as he flops. If you can’t see that, keep lurking.


This is really, really weak.
   2278. JC in DC Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:07 PM (#5845249)
The refs are letting the Raptors get away with a lot of contact on Giannis. The Bucks are also playing “tight”/like an inexperienced playoff team. A lot of rushed drives into nothing and jumping before knowing where your pass is.


I agree with all this. The "tight" is what I meant earlier: I think GSW will roll either of these teams. They don't have the talent and experience/confidence GSW has.

Incredible game for Kawhi. He's been awesome. Shitdamn, I was stupendously wrong about him last year.
   2279. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:09 PM (#5845250)
As one of the content guys

I don't know, you don't seem very content to me.
   2280. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:14 PM (#5845251)
Okay so looks like I was wrong. From the NBA rule book, rule 8, section III:

EXCEPTION: During the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or the last two minutes of any overtime period, the ball may be passed anywhere (frontcourt or backcourt) on
the court. However, if the ball is thrown into the frontcourt and an offensive player on the
court fails to control the ball and causes it to go into the backcourt, his team may not be the
first to touch the ball
   2281. Red Voodooin Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:14 PM (#5845252)
I think GSW will roll either of these teams.


I think that Kawhi might be good enough to make it a series against the best team ever. Like LeBron did.
   2282. spivey Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:15 PM (#5845253)
This is really, really weak

You’re weak. Shut the #### up. Every single persons takes on this thread are #### besides Moses and Der K.
   2283. sardonic Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:17 PM (#5845254)
Tough loss for Milwaukee for sure. I'd say that Giannis did not get a favorable whistle, but not sure there's more to it other than FVV getting hot (7-9) from 3 and Middleton having a quiet game. Despite that the game was tight into the last minute or so. Not to go all tshipman, but the Raptors went 18-43 from 3, while Milwaukee went 10-31.
   2284. sardonic Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:20 PM (#5845255)
Does Nick Nurse have his own Nick Nurse branded Nike hat?
   2285. Davo Posted: May 23, 2019 at 11:49 PM (#5845258)
@JLew1050
Nick Nurse was asked about his NN hat. He said he was wearing a TravisMathew’s hat earlier this year, the logo looked like his initials so Nike sent him his own limited edition cap. There’s 4 of them out there. “It’s all black, I can wear it with anything, and it fits real good.”
   2286. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 24, 2019 at 12:49 AM (#5845260)
so here's a question that probably has an obvious answer, but maybe not:

what will UTA offer rudy gobert when his contract is up?
   2287. rr: target market for blowhard nonsense Posted: May 24, 2019 at 01:03 AM (#5845261)
This is really, really weak

You’re weak. Shut the #### up. Every single persons takes on this thread are #### besides Moses and Der K.


Playoff time.
   2288. rr: target market for blowhard nonsense Posted: May 24, 2019 at 01:04 AM (#5845262)
Every single persons takes on this thread are #### besides Moses and Der K.



My #### doesn't work in the playoffs.
   2289. rr: target market for blowhard nonsense Posted: May 24, 2019 at 01:10 AM (#5845263)
Feels like Giannis doesn't quite have the handle to totally create his own looks consistently* enough to impose his will and get 30-40 points when teams scheme to collapse on him, and with Khris Middleton shitting the bed, Milwaukee didn't have enough to pull through.


This is in part why I was a little skeptical about Milwaukee going in, but I thought they would win tonight.
   2290. tshipman Posted: May 24, 2019 at 01:40 AM (#5845265)
You’re weak. Shut the #### up. Every single persons takes on this thread are #### besides Moses and Der K.


This is some spicy pasta.

what will UTA offer rudy gobert when his contract is up?


Whatever Gobert asks for.

***

Based on history, Milwaukee is still roughly 50/50 to win the series. I felt like people overreacted to the first two games (Remember all the "Milwaukee is a juggernaut" takes?) and people are overreacting to this game.
   2291. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 24, 2019 at 07:49 AM (#5845270)
I thought Bledsoe hitting that early 3 was a sign the Bucks would steamroll the Raptors last night.

I am not smart.

I'm not sure what Budenholzer can do at this point. Play Lopez more but he can't play much more. I'd like to see the Bucks have a better plan for when Giannis goes charging into the wall of Raptor defenders in the paint. Brogdon or another shooter needs to trail Giannis so Giannis has an easy way to pass out when he's blocked off. Giannis isn't a good enough passer yet to throw lasers to the corners under pressure. I think the Bucks need to make his options easier when the Raptors are surrounding him with all of those long arms.
   2292. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: May 24, 2019 at 08:34 AM (#5845274)
Dunc'd on podcast pointed out that teams that started 2-0, went down 3-2, were 8-7 in winning playoff series. That's a pretty interesting number, Small Sample Size or no.

If Nurse is smart he will tell FVV to keep hitting shots and tell Green to start hitting shots. Budenholzer should tell Mirotic to start hitting shots and Giannis to stop missing free throws.

Above line is a bad joke, but really do wonder how much of it just comes down to stuff like that when teams are very close.
   2293. JJ1986 Posted: May 24, 2019 at 09:05 AM (#5845277)
The Raptors shot really well on threes, but the Bucks also gave them a ####-ton of wide-open looks. I know they do that on purpose, but I think they might have to adjust somehow. And I might dust off DJ Wilson if I'm going to switch everything instead of sticking Ersan out on a driving guard.
   2294. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 24, 2019 at 09:17 AM (#5845281)
I mean, it might just be that these two teams are really evenly matched?
   2295. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2019 at 09:27 AM (#5845282)
the Raptors went 18-43 from 3, while Milwaukee went 10-31.

On the season the Raptors were 12.4/33.8, 36.6%, the Bucks were 13.5/38.2, 35.3%. So Toronto should have made like 2.3 less, Milwaukee 1 more, if my over caffeinated/under slept calculation is correct.

It's definitely possible that would have made the difference in a close game if we assume everything else plays out exactly the same. Or possibly not? The Bucks also turned the ball over more and committed too many fouls. I think we sometimes make too much of the make or miss thing (and sometimes not enough!).
   2296. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: May 24, 2019 at 09:29 AM (#5845284)
The Bucks should not switch. I don't understand why they're doing that, and the fact that Bud is choosing to go away from the strategy that formed their #1 defense is seemingly really out of character.

The difference in the game last night was Kawhi hitting those two step-back threes in Brook's face. I think Brook did a good job and that's a shot you're okay with Kawhi taking, he just made them.
   2297. jmurph Posted: May 24, 2019 at 09:56 AM (#5845288)
Another thing on the make/miss thing: Bledsoe, who is not a good shooter, took 7. Middleton, a very good shooter, only took 2 (missed them both). I think Toronto would be more than happy to repeat those same 3FGA numbers from those two again in game 6, and live with however many they make. Giannis went 2/3. Brogdon slightly underperformed his averages, but 2/6 instead of 2.5/6 is not really a thing.

(That's just the Bucks, obviously FVV is unlikely to be Steph again in game 6 or 7.)
   2298. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 24, 2019 at 10:05 AM (#5845291)
You’re weak. Shut the #### up. Every single persons takes on this thread are #### besides Moses and Der K.
truly, we are all 57i66135.
   2299. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: May 24, 2019 at 10:17 AM (#5845294)
Another thing on the make/miss thing: Bledsoe, who is not a good shooter, took 7. Middleton, a very good shooter, only took 2 (missed them both).


That was baffling to me. Middleton is a very good offensive player, and Bucks need to come up with a way to get him more shots.
   2300. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 24, 2019 at 10:24 AM (#5845297)
Another thing on the make/miss thing: Bledsoe, who is not a good shooter, took 7. Middleton, a very good shooter, only took 2

Chris Webber made a point that the worst thing that could have happened for the Bucks was for Bledsoe to make that first 3. It seemed crazy at the time but I think he was proved right as the game wore on.
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