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Tuesday, April 16, 2019

OT - NBA thread (Playoffs through off-season)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and this one only cares about the NBA thread and the Cubs so I have no idea what the rest of the website cares about.

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 16, 2019 at 02:18 PM | 6741 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   2501. Booey Posted: May 30, 2019 at 02:03 PM (#5846843)
Flip
   2502. jmurph Posted: May 30, 2019 at 02:18 PM (#5846846)
Steve Kyler @stevekylerNBA
The teams I have heard linked to Houston - Boston, Charlotte, Orlando and Dallas -- Rockets seeking to change up the locker room and gain a lottery level draft pick. Capella, Eric Gordon, and CP3 are the guys they are aggressively trying to move.
   2503. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 30, 2019 at 02:25 PM (#5846851)
Pondering what a Celtics-Rockets trade might look like, I realized that a CP3 - Gerudo Hamsammich challenge trade works straight up. If the Cs miss on Kyrie, that would be a truly fascinating move by Trader Danny and Morey both.
   2504. BrianBrianson Posted: May 30, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5846861)
At what point should I, as a Torontonian (by birth, but not residence these days), allow myself to get invested in this?

And would it be disrespectful to all those times I was unaware the Argos or the Rock won a championship to bandwagon now?
   2505. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 02:42 PM (#5846863)
At what point should I, as a Torontonian (by birth, but not residence these days), allow myself to get invested in this?

As long as it's before tipoff, I don't see the problem?
   2506. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 03:04 PM (#5846866)
If KD comes back and is even reasonably healthy, I think Kawhi will need to turn in at least a couple prime Lebron-ian efforts to get the Raptors the win. I'm talking about 35+ points and wrecking ball defense.

I think it's possible that the Raptors as a team come close to the recent Cavs teams, but just comparing supporting casts, I don't think Lowry is close to Kyrie (or at least to replicating the Kyrie performances that led to the 2016 title). I could see Siakim roughly comparable impact-wise to Kevin Love, and they have better deep pieces like Gasol (vs. Tristan Thompson?) and Danny Green (JR Smith?). FVV is nice, you can get by with Norm Powell. A healthy OG Anunoby could be nice.
   2507. KronicFatigue Posted: May 30, 2019 at 03:19 PM (#5846875)
I think I dislike Silver's idea of midseason tournaments, but in trying to think of a least-terrible version, what if the 8 worst teams had a single elimination tournament where the finalists got the 1st and 2nd picks of the draft? It mitigates the incentive to tank in the 2nd half of the season, and I don't think teams would tank to squeeze into this tournament b/c 1) they'd still have dreams of making the playoffs and 2) you'd still need to be lucky to win 3 games in a row.

I don't know if it would be "insulting" to teams to play in this tournament, but the NIT and Europa Cup still exist, and I enjoyed Chelsea's win yesterday. The hype for winning the Zion tournament would have been huge.

This hurts the worst teams from rebuilding, but the worst teams have bigger issues than top picks can fix. And really, I don't think the NBA wants the best draftees being wasted on the worst teams.

I'm tempted to add a 2nd tournament for maybe the middle-tier teams where every game you win gets you extra cap space for the next season.
   2508. Moeball Posted: May 30, 2019 at 03:23 PM (#5846877)
One of the things that was amazing to watch in the GS win over Portland was watching Draymond go coast to coast, even after Blazer baskets. That won't happen in this series. Toronto will slow the pace down considerably and Kawhi will make sure Draymond isn't the runaway train he was last series.

Actually, D. Green could be the key player for both teams. If Draymond can somehow still keep GS at full throttle, that's bad news for Toronto. On the other hand, if Danny Green suddenly finds his shot again plus plays solid defense, that could pay big dividends for Toronto.

I'm predicting Raptors in 7, but my track record hasn't been too good in these playoffs, so we'll see what happens.
   2509. JJ1986 Posted: May 30, 2019 at 03:24 PM (#5846878)
I don't understand why anyone would care about a midseason tournament that only features NBA teams. If they want to do something with international teams and G-league teams and mixing in anyone else who will play, then that might get interesting.
   2510. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: May 30, 2019 at 03:31 PM (#5846885)
This hurts the worst teams from rebuilding, but the worst teams have bigger issues than top picks can fix. And really, I don't think the NBA wants the best draftees being wasted on the worst teams.


The NBA kicks the Knicks in the groin again.
   2511. aberg Posted: May 30, 2019 at 03:39 PM (#5846890)
I was listening to Baxter Holmes on Lowe today and wondering if there's enough money in California to entice RC Buford there. What would it actually take? 10/100m? 5/75m?
   2512. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 30, 2019 at 03:47 PM (#5846895)
Shams Charania @ShamsCharania 3h3 hours ago

Warriors' DeMarcus Cousins will be active to play for Game 1 of the NBA Finals after suffering a torn quad in the first round.
   2513. Moeball Posted: May 30, 2019 at 03:58 PM (#5846898)
In what role will Boogie play? Coming off the bench? Don't let him take minutes away from Looney. Cousins is way too slow defensively.
   2514. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 04:01 PM (#5846901)
I was listening to Baxter Holmes on Lowe today and wondering if there's enough money in California to entice RC Buford there. What would it actually take? 10/100m? 5/75m?

That seems like a job situation that no amount of money can solve.
   2515. jmurph Posted: May 30, 2019 at 04:05 PM (#5846907)
Having LeBron, cap space, a high pick, and some (varying levels of) quality young guys is better than like 24 other situations in the league. And that's accounting for the ownership/front office soap opera.

The Lakers are much more likely to make the Finals in the next 3 years than so, so many other teams.
   2516. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 04:27 PM (#5846916)
I don't know, a poisonous, nepotistic work environment is really hard to overcome. When the problem derives from ownership, and ownership is deeply involved, it's a shitshow. Why would someone like Buford leave a situation where he has none of those stresses to go play ball with Palinka and Buss and Rambis and whomever else?
   2517. aberg Posted: May 30, 2019 at 04:32 PM (#5846919)
I don't know, a poisonous, nepotistic work environment is really hard to overcome. When the problem derives from ownership, and ownership is deeply involved, it's a shitshow. Why would someone like Buford leave a situation where he has none of those stresses to go play ball with Palinka and Buss and Rambis and whomever else?


I think there's a sub-question of whether Buss is the direct cause of the dysfunction, or if her poor hiring has caused the dysfunction. If it's the former, I doubt anyone could come in and succeed consistently without a ton of luck. If it's the latter, a great GM might be able to fix the cultural issues.
   2518. jmurph Posted: May 30, 2019 at 04:34 PM (#5846920)
Oh I'm sure Buford, specifically, would not do that, I'm just objecting to the idea that they'd be lucky to draw a talented front office guy there if they wanted to. The job seems to come with a lot of headaches but also so many pluses.
   2519. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 04:34 PM (#5846921)
I think there's a sub-question of whether Buss is the direct cause of the dysfunction, or if her poor hiring has caused the dysfunction. If it's the former, I doubt anyone could come in and succeed consistently without a ton of luck. If it's the latter, a great GM might be able to fix the cultural issues.

Yeah, that's a good point. Still.
   2520. jmurph Posted: May 30, 2019 at 04:35 PM (#5846922)
I think there's a sub-question of whether Buss is the direct cause of the dysfunction, or if her poor hiring has caused the dysfunction. If it's the former, I doubt anyone could come in and succeed consistently without a ton of luck. If it's the latter, a great GM might be able to fix the cultural issues.

I think I'm just quibbling with the whole framing, though. The Cavs had a lot of cultural issues, too, and they just went to the Finals 4 straight years! I'm also reasonably sure the Phil-era Lakers had some issues while piling up Finals wins.

EDIT: I totally concede you'd rather have the whole Spursian, unified approach to basketball and life. But among the next best options, LeBron + cap space + high pick/young guys is a pretty good one!
   2521. jmurph Posted: May 30, 2019 at 04:45 PM (#5846924)
Hmmm, is there about to be an opening in Houston?
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Houston Rockets coach Mike D’Antoni has ended talks with management on a contract extension, league sources tell ESPN. D’Antoni plans to complete the final season of his deal in 2019-20. Story soon on ESPN.
   2522. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 04:50 PM (#5846925)
EDIT: I totally concede you'd rather have the whole Spursian, unified approach to basketball and life. But among the next best options, LeBron + cap space + high pick/young guys is a pretty good one!

Sure, I guess it depends on what the GM wants to do -- is it win a bunch of games, compete for the title, &c? Or is it create a winning environment and culture that can persist? Every person will have a different measure, so I concede that LAL has a lot of interesting pieces for a GM/POBO/whatever to play with.
   2523. aberg Posted: May 30, 2019 at 04:52 PM (#5846926)
Houston Rockets coach Mike D’Antoni has ended talks with management on a contract extension, league sources tell ESPN. D’Antoni plans to complete the final season of his deal in 2019-20. Story soon on ESPN.


Beteween that and the rumor that they're shopping Paul, Gordon, and Capela for picks, it makes it seem like they're looking to rebuild on the fly. If any team would have the cojones to do it, it would be them.
   2524. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 04:55 PM (#5846927)
In what role will Boogie play? Coming off the bench? Don't let him take minutes away from Looney. Cousins is way too slow defensively.


I think he gets the Damian Jones/Andrew Bogut/Jordan Bell memorial starting center role, gets subbed out for Looney pretty fast (say 4 min mark) and comes back to add some firepower to the Klay-led second units at the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters. I mean, that unit is roughly Klay, Draymond, Iguodala and some combo of Livingston, Jerebko and Quinn Cook.

I think they roll him out in Game 1 to see what they have. It's worth it to find out for the rest of the series, and if 4-8 extra minutes of Jerebko, Damian Jones or what have you was going to be the difference in the series, they were on thin ice anyway.
   2525. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 04:59 PM (#5846928)
Houston Rockets coach Mike D’Antoni has ended talks with management on a contract extension, league sources tell ESPN. D’Antoni plans to complete the final season of his deal in 2019-20. Story soon on ESPN.


Beteween that and the rumor that they're shopping Paul, Gordon, and Capela for picks, it makes it seem like they're looking to rebuild on the fly. If any team would have the cojones to do it, it would be them.


Morey has basically been firing all of MDA's assistants anyway (Bzdelik, Roy Rogers), so I think the writing has been on the wall. I admire Morey's hunger, but I'm not sure there's really anything the Rockets could realistically do. Would they really be worse off waiting to see if KD leaves and then going from there? Because if he's gone, don't the Rockets suddenly get that much closer to a title even running it back again? I feel like the last two postseasons have broken Morey.
   2526. DCA Posted: May 30, 2019 at 05:08 PM (#5846932)
Cousins-Green-Iguodala-Livingston-Thompson was the Warriors 8th most commonly used lineup in the regular season. And reasonably effective, +9.2 pts per 100 possessions, compared to +6.8 for all lineups.

Granted, 8th most common 5 man combination is only 67 minutes for the whole season. Most common 5 man combo was only 312 minutes. But that's a clue.
   2527. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 07:22 PM (#5846951)
Too bad apparently you can't trade supermaxes... otherwise, who says no?

Kemba Walker on a supermax for Chris Paul?
   2528. Srul Itza Posted: May 30, 2019 at 07:43 PM (#5846956)
The NBA kicks the Knicks in the groin again.



What does that matter to an organization that has no balls?
   2529. Davo Posted: May 30, 2019 at 07:51 PM (#5846958)
Toronto wins Games 1 and 5, GSW in 6.

BOOK IT!
   2530. aberg Posted: May 30, 2019 at 08:32 PM (#5846959)
Toronto wins Games 1


That never happens.
   2531. jmurph Posted: May 30, 2019 at 08:37 PM (#5846960)
This is the first time I haven't had a fairly strong rooting interest in... I don't even know how long. 06 maybe? I didn't really care either way about that one.
   2532. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 08:50 PM (#5846964)
I'm not even a full-time Raptors fan and I'm super, duper excited.
   2533. Tony S Posted: May 30, 2019 at 08:55 PM (#5846966)

Golden State in 5 if Durant comes back, in 6 if he doesn't.
   2534. Red Voodooin Posted: May 30, 2019 at 08:55 PM (#5846967)
Putting aside Durant's injury status right now, it seems to me there's a reasonable argument to be made that the last three NBA Finals have featured the first, second and third best basketball players in the world. That's pretty interesting.
   2535. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 08:56 PM (#5846968)
Mounties!
   2536. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 08:57 PM (#5846969)
Barneys in 6.
   2537. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: May 30, 2019 at 08:59 PM (#5846970)
I was liking the Raptors shock the world chances but Pierce and Jalen Rose just picked them to win it. I take it back.
   2538. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:04 PM (#5846971)
Golden State in 5 if KD comes back by Game 3, GS in 7 if not. I'll blend the two and predict GS in 6, including winning Game 1 tonight.
   2539. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:05 PM (#5846972)
Warriors in 6. Now comes the big decision. The hideous U.S. announcing crew, or the homerific Raptors guys? I'm used to homers since I lived in the Bay Area for many years and put up with Fitz and JB, so I think I will go with the Canadian broadcast since I live in Canada now, plus there's no delay.
   2540. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:05 PM (#5846973)
Yeah, I have the Sportsnet feed on the NBA app. Who's calling the game on on the US broadcast?
   2541. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:06 PM (#5846974)
Alright, where's Nav Bhatia?
   2542. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:08 PM (#5846976)
2540 - Breen, Jackson and Van Gundy.
   2543. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:09 PM (#5846977)
2540 - Breen, Jackson and Van Gundy.

Your decision is made for you.
   2544. Red Voodooin Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:10 PM (#5846978)
Now comes the big decision. The hideous U.S. announcing crew, or the homerific Raptors guys?


I'm watching the hideous U.S. announcing crew because I can get it over the air but I really enjoyed and sought out the Candian (TSN?) crew during the playoff run. They weren't great or anything, but they were kinda fun, and most importantly, no Mark Jackson.
   2545. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:13 PM (#5846979)
this may just be a weird quirk, but the last 14 NBA finals have been won by the team that committed the first turnover of the series.

9 of the 14 players who committed those turnovers went on to be named NBA finals MVP.
   2546. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:17 PM (#5846980)
The Warriors are NOT respecting Danny Green at all, seemingly aggressively helping off of him.
   2547. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:17 PM (#5846981)
fun fact:
jordan bell is the first person born in louisianna to play in the NBA finals since charles shackleford.
   2548. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:19 PM (#5846982)
jordan bell is the first person born in louisianna to play in the NBA finals since charles shackleford.

Karl Malone?
   2549. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:22 PM (#5846983)
with that turnover, draymond green is the first person to turn the ball over in 23 straight NBA finals games.
   2550. rr: target market for blowhard nonsense Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:26 PM (#5846985)
2. If the Raptors win the Finals, where about would this rank on the list of biggest upsets in NBA Finals history?


From a narrative standpoint, huge. Based on the team metrics with Toronto having HCA, not as much.

But game 7, Lebron took down a fully operational Death Star.


Irving played very well in that game; he ofc actually made the game-winner. James's 4Q chase-down block was one of the greatest defensive plays in league history, given the stakes and timing. Curry was not 100% that night, but the Cavs have gotten, and deserved, enormous credit for winning that game, given what it must have meant to sports fans in that city.

Houston: Morey is like the shark in JAWS or Vic Mackey in The Shield. He is almost always moving forward, thinking about the next kill. They did run it back after Paul's injury, came up short again, and now Paul's contract is a negative. So Morey is just being who he is. As to D'Antoni, he is a skilled coach, but I think he gets old with guys pretty fast. So I can see why Houston is going this way if the reports are accurate.
   2551. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:30 PM (#5846987)
Warriors aren't switching well early. Ending with too many double teams and Toronto is getting a lot of clean looks off crisp passes.
   2552. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:36 PM (#5846989)
830. smileyy Posted: December 11, 2011 at 06:37 AM (#4013160)
If I'm Blake Griffin, I cant think of a point guard I'd run the PNR with than CP3. If I'm CP3, I can't think of a guy I'd rather distribute the ball to than Blake Griffin.

If CP3 goes to the Clippers, Stern better keep Sterling on a leash, because that'll be a fun team to watch, until Sterling *($#s it all up.
   2553. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:36 PM (#5846990)
I think they're doing it intentionally, you see Livingston and others look at the rotation and decide they'd rather have Siakim or Ibaka shoot.
   2554. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:41 PM (#5846991)
Boogie sighting.
   2555. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:55 PM (#5846992)
the names in this post...my god:
867. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: December 11, 2011 at 09:12 PM (#4013524)
we've talked about the lakers end of this, but what does dallas look like now? they lost butler and they lost chandler, and they're going to lose barea, but they've added odom, they've added rudy fernandez, and they're gonna get a full season from roddy buckets.

oh god, and this one:
874. aberg Posted: December 11, 2011 at 10:30 PM (#4013559)
Jerry Zgoda: Interesting frontcourt: KLove at C, AR at pf, DW at sf about 5 minutes ago
if i'm not mistaken, in addition to those 3, MIN also has darko, pekovic, tolliver, beasley, hayward, and johnson vying for frontline minutes. storytellers also has martell webster and brad miller on their payroll, but that (that) would seem like overkill]
That's pretty much the lineup I've been saying I want to see. Maybe get the Beas in for AR more. Otherwise, miller and Webster are hurt, Johnson is likely to get burn at the two, and the others are situational players (match up with bigs or pick n pop). I am really looking forward to having a real coach this year.
cheeses:
...Jeff Foster, Greg Oden, and Joel Pryzbilla are also great options (at least upgrades with high ceilings)
898. Jimmy P Posted: December 12, 2011 at 04:15 PM (#4013945)
No mention of Prokhorov running for President of Russia?
941. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: December 12, 2011 at 08:43 PM (#4014317)
Sam Amick at SI.com is reporting the league is blocking the NOH-Clippers trade.
947. tshipman Posted: December 12, 2011 at 08:57 PM (#4014333)
So . . . if you're Demps, you have to resign, right? I mean, this is pretty much a travesty.
948. aberg Posted: December 12, 2011 at 09:05 PM (#4014336)
Is the NBA making an end run toward contracting the Hornets? That would have been a tough sell at the bargaining table, but if they make the existence of the franchise a huge headache for the players involved, the rest of the players might feel sorry enough to obscure the fact that it would be lost jobs.
   2556. yo la tengo Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:58 PM (#5846993)
GS only down 5 and they have looked mediocre so far. Not a good sign for the Raptors
   2557. Red Voodooin Posted: May 30, 2019 at 09:58 PM (#5846994)
2. If the Raptors win the Finals, where about would this rank on the list of biggest upsets in NBA Finals history?

From a narrative standpoint, huge. Based on the team metrics with Toronto having HCA, not as much.


There haven't been that many significant NBA Finals upsets, have there?

by memory:

2004: Pistons over Lakers
2011: Mavericks over Heat
2016: Cleveland over Warriors

Am I missing any?
   2558. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:05 PM (#5846995)
989. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: December 13, 2011 at 12:41 AM (#4014575)
Paul is probably too good of a guy, but if I were in his shoes, I would never do any marketing for the league again.
992. Maxwn Posted: December 13, 2011 at 01:14 AM (#4014624)
Marc Gasol just tweeted that he's reached an agreement with the Grizzlies. It was pretty much a foregone conclusion, but I've still been sweating it a bit with no real news of any kind. Pretty excited about this.

He appears to have tweeted it out in English and Spanish, and then just for good measure what Google Translate says is Catalan. For the record, that is 3 more languages than Tony Allen uses in his twitter feed.
1020. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: December 13, 2011 at 03:58 PM (#4015050)
KBergCBS: Kwame Brown has agreed to a one-year, $7M deal with Golden State, source confirms to @CBSSports.

Whoa.


these threads are a literal goldmine.
   2559. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:05 PM (#5846996)
2004: Pistons over Lakers
2011: Mavericks over Heat
2016: Cleveland over Warriors

Am I missing any?


The last one before 2004 might have been 1977: Blazers over 76ers
   2560. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:06 PM (#5846997)
A LITERAL ####### GOLDMINE!!!!


1022. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: December 13, 2011 at 04:15 PM (#4015075)
KBergCBS: Kwame Brown has agreed to a one-year, $7M deal with Golden State, source confirms to @CBSSports.
The league needs to contract the Warriors. Warrior fans don't deserve this. I'm pretty convinced now that because the Warriors draw so well no matter how big a turd the team is the NBA couldn't give two ##### if they ever have a decent team. Of course, if Warrior fans wised up and stop buying tickets, Stern would have the team relocated to Amarillo or Topeka and blame it on the fans for not caring enough.
   2561. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:11 PM (#5846999)
1048. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: December 13, 2011 at 10:33 PM (#4015695)
Man, I spent my commute home pondering all the stupid crap the Warriors have done since I started following them as a kid, around 1979-1980. I really need a drink now. This Kwame Brown thing, at the end of the day, is really inconsequential. He's a crap player coming off his superficially best season ever the Warriors paid over the odds for and they won't get any use out if his expiring contract at the trade deadline because they never do that. It's just in the club's DNA to not do smart things. It's just SUCH a Warrior thing to do that it's depressing. A new ownership group comes in after the horrendous stupidity of the Cohan years and they talk a good game and the fanbase is DESPERATE for them to be smart, but they keep the same gm and their first big offseason all they accomplish is the signing of Kwame ####### Brown, the laughingstock of the NBA. Whether Brown deserves that label or not, it's just so symbolic that he would be the new group's first "big" signing. OK. Rant over. I just had to get it out of my system.
   2562. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:15 PM (#5847000)
I just want the refs to give Curry to get the same calls Lowry and Kawhi got. That's the only path they need. The Raptors literally only are leading the game due to the refs.

Seriously though, Curry doesn't get a lot of respect from the refs for a two time MVP
   2563. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:18 PM (#5847001)
1063. King Mekong Posted: December 14, 2011 at 04:27 AM (#4015964)
"Timing is everything. Chemistry is something that you don't just throw in the frying pan and mix it up with another something, then throw it on top of something, then fry it up and put it in a tortilla and put in a microwave, heat it up and give it to you and expect it to taste good. You know? For those of you who can cook, y'all know what I'm talking about. If y'all can't cook, this doesn't concern you." - Garnett on Chemistry. H/T [1056]

I guess I can't cook
1104. JC in DC Posted: December 14, 2011 at 08:41 PM (#4016509)
Nets offered everything they could for Howard: Brook Lopez + FIVE 1st Rd picks. Theirs in 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018 + Rockets 2012 pick. about 18 minutes ago
No offense, but that's a bunch of ####. Lopez and five late 1st round picks? No way I do that deal if I'm Orlando.
1126. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: December 15, 2011 at 12:13 AM (#4016702)
Eric Gordon found out about the trade through a text message from Kelvin Sampson. So disrespectful.
A single text? More like 300 hundred texts.


GOLD.
   2564. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:21 PM (#5847002)
1156. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: December 15, 2011 at 02:31 AM (#4016798)
Stern wound up pulling a much better deal for the Hornets.
yeah, i think that's arguable. scola, odom, and martin are really good players.

and again, they paid a price to get minnesota's pick. that pick wasn't added on to LA's previous offer, it was added in place of eric bledsoe, and it cost NO (2) second round picks in addition.


i mean, maybe i'm wrong; maybe my disdain for tanking is clouding my judgment, but i'd have taken the 3 top 50 players and gone to war.
   2565. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:33 PM (#5847003)
1228. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: December 15, 2011 at 08:13 PM (#4017263)
10. PHI
8. PHI
7. PHI
8. PHI
10. PHI
8. PHI


you know, it's gonna suck a big fat ####### egg if i'm wrong about this.

but still, i'm a believer. this team's gonna kick ass.

1230. jmurph Posted: December 15, 2011 at 08:15 PM (#4017269)
but still, i'm a believer. this team's gonna kick ass.

I really don't intend to sound like a jackass (honestly) but I was assuming you've been joking about your confidence in the Sixers this year.
   2566. Tin Angel Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:36 PM (#5847004)
Can these huge blocks of text from eight years ago maybe wait until after the Finals, or at the very least not while the game is going on?
   2567. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:36 PM (#5847005)
1242. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: December 15, 2011 at 08:46 PM (#4017305)
So you're saying 3rd in the conference? Yes, you're alone on that one.
well, no. if i said that i thought they were 3rd in the conference, that would mean that i thought the heat and the bulls were better than them.


fun fact #1:
the sixers finished that year as the 8-seed.

fun fact #2:
they beat the bulls in the first round.
   2568. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:40 PM (#5847007)
Warriors can't win losing the turnover battle 12 to 6.
   2569. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:42 PM (#5847008)
What does that matter to an organization that has no balls?


I mean, say what you will about the Knicks, they have balls. Trading their only good player, a potential two way superstar, took balls. Trading all their good players for a ball hog who didn't play defense took balls. Hiring a man who most recently ran an entire basketball league into the ground as their GM took balls.
   2570. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:43 PM (#5847009)
Can these huge blocks of text from eight years ago maybe wait until after the Finals, or at the very least not while the game is going on?
A:
they're not that big.

2:
yeah, i didn't intend to post that many of them. i just kept finding fun things.
   2571. Tin Angel Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:45 PM (#5847010)
Mark Jackson just said "People tend to forget about Gasol's defense."
   2572. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:46 PM (#5847011)
Spicy P!
   2573. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:58 PM (#5847012)
Alright, where's Nav Bhatia


Right under the basket support.
   2574. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:03 PM (#5847013)
2004: Pistons over Lakers
2011: Mavericks over Heat
2016: Cleveland over Warriors

Am I missing any?


The last one before 2004 might have been 1977: Blazers over 76ers

It was the Blazers' first winning season!
   2575. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:07 PM (#5847014)
Big threes from Pat McCaw and Jonas Jerebko. The NBA finals on ESPN!

Seriously, surprised those guys are on the floor.
   2576. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:14 PM (#5847016)
I hope Siakim isn't saving any of this mojo for the rest of this series, it's going to be tough for the Warriors if he is.
   2577. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:15 PM (#5847017)
Lowry is 1-7 and him going out with 5 fouls feels like a big deal.
   2578. strong silence Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:17 PM (#5847019)
Why is the GS defense bad? Are they overconfident?
   2579. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:19 PM (#5847020)
They lost Danny Green in transition that last possession but overall I think they've been playing well. Siakim is just playing out of his mind, and the Raptors role players are stepping up. Lowry and Kawhi have been forced to give the ball up, Green/Gasol/Siakim have shot well from outside, and Siakim is beating Draymond one on one on dribble moves and throwing up circus shots.
   2580. Tin Angel Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:23 PM (#5847021)
This feels over unless Curry goes nuts.
   2581. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:24 PM (#5847022)
Draymond in the second half has just kinda disappeared. He's getting the ball in the same downhill-playing positions but is hesitating or making reset-type passes.
   2582. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:25 PM (#5847023)
Raise your hand if you got this one wrong.

*raises hand*
   2583. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:28 PM (#5847024)
Draymond in the second half has just kinda disappeared. He's getting the ball in the same downhill-playing positions but is hesitating or making reset-type passes.


Siakim has been playing him well.

The outcome is not what I was expecting, but the Warriors need more from Klay, and Curry is going to end up under 40 minutes. Even if the Warriors go down I think the series is far from over.
   2584. puck Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:35 PM (#5847025)
That's a crazy game by Siakam.
   2585. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:36 PM (#5847026)
!!!
   2586. strong silence Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:37 PM (#5847027)
118 is bad defense.
   2587. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:42 PM (#5847028)
Raptors shot 39-77 from the floor. They got 78 points from Siakim, Gasol, Van Vleet and Green, who shot 8-18 from 3, and made some circus shots. Credit to them, they earned it.

On the other end, Curry played well but they could use more than 21 on 17 shots from Klay. Despite the 9 point final margin of victory, felt like a close one -- the Raptors made some crazy shots and had some prayers answered down the stretch, and it was enough to have them pull away.

They did really shut down the Steph-Draymond PnR, which is problematic.
   2588. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:46 PM (#5847029)
At the risk of being a bit stiggley, can't resist bringing this one back:


605. tshipman Posted: March 10, 2018 at 01:13 PM (#5636454)
Yes, us pathetic Toronto fans, excited to beat the best team in the league who had a 17 game win streak coming into the game.



I didn't call you pathetic, I called you hilarious, and the absurd defensiveness is a good example of why.

The Raptors are a great team! They have a point differential that supports a 58-60 win team! They were playing at home! You should be confident that a 58-60 win team wins at home against literally any opponent.

   2589. sardonic Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:47 PM (#5847030)
To be clear, in addition to some shots, I do think the Raptors's role players shot and played well, albeit at the top end of their range. Without KD the Warriors don't have the margin for error to overcome a team shooting well.

I do feel like a lot shots that were made were contested -- while there were a few cases of questionable non-rotation or losing a guy, I will stand by my observation/belief that in general the Warriors didn't play that bad on defense, and the Raptors made tough shots.
   2590. Greg K Posted: May 31, 2019 at 12:05 AM (#5847031)
It's been a while since I watched a Golden State game. That is a ridiculously exciting kind of basketball!
   2591. tshipman Posted: May 31, 2019 at 12:24 AM (#5847034)
Am I supposed to be embarrassed by 2588?
   2592. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: May 31, 2019 at 05:48 AM (#5847042)
You are supposed to be embarrassed for not being Der K or Moses.
   2593. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: May 31, 2019 at 07:27 AM (#5847045)
The Ignore Member function seems to not be working, has anyone else noticed this?
   2594. Paul D(uda) Posted: May 31, 2019 at 07:45 AM (#5847046)
Isiah Thomas has a Roberto Alomar thing going on where he looks like he could still play. Thomas is 58
   2595. NJ in NY (Now with Big Girl!) Posted: May 31, 2019 at 08:11 AM (#5847047)
3 wins away from my preseason prediction coming true. Reading everyone's Warriors in 5/6 yesterday was legitimately shocking to me.
   2596. Rally Posted: May 31, 2019 at 08:26 AM (#5847049)
Great game by the Raptors. It was kind of the opposite from some of the Milwaukee games where each team looked dominant for long runs and then the other team took their turn being dominant. Toronto took a modest lead early, and just maintained it, never letting GSW go on a crazy run but also never stretching the lead much. Don't think they were ever up by as many as 15.

Siakam was great, you can't expect that kind of shooting performance again. Otherwise I don't feel like Toronto was lucky. There's room for Leonard (very good but he's had better games in this playoff season) and Lowry to do more. They won the turnover battle 16-10. 3 point shooting overall was a wash (Toronto 1 more make in 2 more attempts), same with the free throws.
   2597. jmurph Posted: May 31, 2019 at 09:17 AM (#5847057)
3 wins away from my preseason prediction coming true. Reading everyone's Warriors in 5/6 yesterday was legitimately shocking to me.

My preseason pick was Warriors over Raptors in 7, so I'm still alive!

EDIT: Ah, but it appears my pre-playoff prediction in April was Warriors over Raptors in 6. Hmm.

   2598. Rally Posted: May 31, 2019 at 09:37 AM (#5847062)
Reading everyone's Warriors in 5/6 yesterday was legitimately shocking to me.


I like the Raptors, am happy about the win and feel good about their chances. But Warriors in 5/6 is still easily in the realm of possibility.
   2599. sardonic Posted: May 31, 2019 at 09:40 AM (#5847063)
Siakam was great, you can't expect that kind of shooting performance again. Otherwise I don't feel like Toronto was lucky. There's room for Leonard (very good but he's had better games in this playoff season) and Lowry to do more. They won the turnover battle 16-10. 3 point shooting overall was a wash (Toronto 1 more make in 2 more attempts), same with the free throws.


They weren't THAT lucky, in the moment I was just reacting mostly to Siakam's contested running hook shot and FVV's shot clock beating prayer from his hip.

16 turnovers is not actually THAT much by Warriors standards, and Toronto has been good at taking care of the ball, so as a Warriors fan that's not where I'm looking to make up that much ground. Mostly I think the Warriors's path to victory involves winning the shooting battle. Rapters shot 50% overall, Warriors 44% -- I think there's room for that to flip, or there needs to be if the Warriors are going to win.

I think early on they chose to overplay Kawhi and Lowry and force Green/Siakam/Gasol to beat them. And they did, particularly Green and Gasol in the early going, though Leonard and Lowry were pretty limited -- IIRC Kawhi finished the half 2-9 from the floor. Some of those makes were lightly contested, and I'd prefer the defense they played in the second half once those guys showed that they weren't going to just crumble in the moment. In the second half they were more balanced, but Kawhi got a bit more, and Siakam just went NBA Jam in the third quarter.

From a matchup standpoint, Siakam getting the better of Draymond is the most concerning. He was able to take him 1-on-1 on offense -- if that continues the Warriors are done, because schematically I think the Warriors really wanted to help off of him, Gasol and Ibaka and rely on Green's (and Looney's) ability to recover and get a good contest, particularly at the rim. If Gasol, Siakam and Ibaka shoot you out of the game from 3 I think you live with the result -- Siakam was below 30% from everywhere around the arc but the right corner, and none of his 3s last night were from that spot (he made 2 above the break). But you can't live with him getting into the paint and shooting 12-15 on 2s.

My other two observations are:
- There was a key stretch in the early 4th after the Warriors pulled within two points and then were down 7, with DMC making a couple good plays. Then Boogie clearly ran out of gas, and I think the game swung the last time. Boogie let Siakam beat him down the court for an easy cherry picked bucket, then offensive fouled and turned the ball over. Curry and Looney were already at the scorer's table before that sequence started. Looney played on 28 minutes. Bell played 12, Boogie 8 and Jerebko 8. Curry and Draymond paced the Warriors at 40. I think Kerr needs to treat this more like the Houston series and less like the Portland series from a rotation standpoint.

- Livingston really hurt them last night. He just can't really shoot or make plays anymore, had a dumb turnover where he wasn't looking for a pass and let it whiz right by him, and is just a guy on defense. He only played 18 minutes, but I'd probably give some of those to McKinnie at this point. At least he will let a 3 fly when it's his turn to shoot and gives you some athleticism on the offensive glass. I would aggressively try to keep him away from Kawhi though.
   2600. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 31, 2019 at 10:05 AM (#5847067)
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