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OT - NBA thread (Playoffs through off-season)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and this one only cares about the NBA thread and the Cubs so I have no idea what the rest of the website cares about.

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 16, 2019 at 02:18 PM | 6241 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   3901. aberg Posted: June 17, 2019 at 02:36 PM (#5852845)
Bosh, admittedly is awesome too. I think AD is probably a bit more explosive on the roll though, and just as able to pop out for 3s. I don't think it's a slight on him to say that AD is more well rounded in the PnR.


Yeah, AD is probably fairly described as a rich man's version of Bosh. I mention it because Lowe didn't even bring up Bosh's name once, which seems odd. Also, Lebron didn't seem to really bring the best out of Bosh. There was quite a media narrative about how he just turned him into a spot-up shooter. It would be very wasteful to do that with Davis. Lebron's age, the way the game has changed, and Davis's own ability make that unlikely, but we still have to see them make it work.
   3902. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2019 at 02:38 PM (#5852847)
Does any team have interest in trading for Domantas Sabonis? He's a very good player, but he and Myles Turner can't really play together and he's going to get paid in 2020. I'd be looking for a pick or a forward of similar age.

Looking it up to see who else was picked his year, I noticed that the 2016 first round was really lacking in number of successful players. After the top 7, you've got Sabonis, LeVert, Siakam and Murray in the first round who have been really good. Poeltl and Beasley have been decent for where they were picked. But you have about 20 guys whose teams have either dumped them or might as well have (I think Denzel Valentine may still be a Bull.)

edit: Checking more drafts, maybe this isn't that far out of the normal.
   3903. aberg Posted: June 17, 2019 at 02:45 PM (#5852848)
Does any team have interest in trading for Domantas Sabonis? He's a very good player, but he and Myles Turner can't really play together and he's going to get paid in 2020. I'd be looking for a pick or a forward of similar age.


Wolves don't need a big with KAT, Saric, and Dieng already locked in, but I love Sabonis and would be all over that if I had somewhere to play him.
   3904. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 17, 2019 at 02:48 PM (#5852850)
Still looking to trade down from #9. Anyone want to make an offer? While historically picks in this range get traded for a couple mid first rounders, I'm willing to take less. A mid-1st plus either a late 1st or early 2nd gets it done. Here's the draft thus far:

1. New Orleans – sardonic - Zion Williamson, F, Duke
2. Memphis – Willard Baseball - Ja Morant, G, Murray State
3. New York – JC and NJ - RJ Barrett, F, Duke
4. New Orleans (from LAL) - sardonic - Jarrett Culver, G Texas Tech
5. Cleveland - Harlond - DeAndre Hunter, F, UVA
6. Phoenix – Oriole Tragic - Coby White, PG, UNC
7. Chicago - Moses - Darius Garland, G, Vanderbilt
8. Atlanta - Der-K - Cam Reddish, F, Duke
9. Washington – Dandy Little Glove Man ON THE CLOCK
10. Atlanta - Der-K
11. Minnesota - aberg
12. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
13. Miami – Mouse
14. Boston – stevegamer
15. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
16. New Orleans (from ORL) – sardonic
17. Atlanta - Der-K
18. Indiana – JJ1986
19. San Antonio – Quaker
20. Boston – stevegamer
21. Oklahoma City – Thok
22. Boston – stevegamer
23. Memphis (from UTA) – Willard Baseball
24. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
25. Portland – PASTE
26. Cleveland - Harlond
27. Brooklyn – mike f
28. Golden State - sardonic
29. San Antonio – Quaker
30. Milwaukee – Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw

31. Brooklyn – mike f
32. New Orleans (from PHO) – sardonic
33. Philadelphia- 57i66135
34. Philadelphia- 57i66135
35. Atlanta - Der-K
36. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
37. Dallas
38. Chicago - Moses
39. Memphis (from NOP via PHO)– Willard Baseball
40. Sacramento - smileyy
41. Atlanta - Der-K
42. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
43. Minnesota - aberg
44. Atlanta- Der-K
45. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
46. Orlando – Athletic Supporter
47. Sacramento - smileyy
48. LA Clippers
49. San Antonio – Quaker
50. Indiana – JJ1986
51. Boston – stevegamer
52. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
53. Utah - Booey/Cervo
54. Philadelphia- 57i66135
55. New York – JC and NJ
56. LA Clippers
57. New Orleans – sardonic
58. Golden State - sardonic
59. Toronto
60. Sacramento - smileyy

Transactions:
MEM #39, Josh Jackson, Tyler Johnson
PHO Derrick Favors

MEM #23, Derrick Favors, Tony Bradley
UTA Mike Conley

NOP #16 (from ORL), #24 (from PHI), #42 (from PHI), ORL 2021 #1 (top-10 protected, then top-4, then unprotected), Mozgov (from ORL)
ORL J. Holiday (from NOP), J. Simmons (from PHI)
PHI Frank Jackson and Melvin Frazier(?) (from NOP), Fournier (from ORL)

NOP #32
PHO #39, Jahlil Okafor

IRL:
NOP #4, Ingram, Ball, Hart, future 1sts and swaps
LAL Anthony Davis
   3905. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 02:57 PM (#5852853)
In real NBA news, RHJ was made an unrestricted free agent.
Also, MIL is rumored to be willing to attach draft considerations to Ilyasova or Snell to move them, add flexibility. (h/t: marc stein).
   3906. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2019 at 03:13 PM (#5852856)
I'm not really sure what Rondae's place in the league is. As a guy who's better defensively than offensively, you want him to play against starters, but he doesn't really shoot well enough to even play PF anymore. I think he could be kind of an interesting fit to score a few buckets on turn-arounds and FTs against backups, but he shot worse everywhere this season and fell below that threshhold. And on defense he's not really big enough to be worth it as a specialist to slow guys like Giannis, Kawhi, Durant and LeBron. I hate his fit as a sometimes tiny-ball center.
   3907. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 17, 2019 at 03:31 PM (#5852862)
From Shams:
Memphis Grizzlies

The Grizzlies are intensifying talks to potentially move franchise cornerstone Mike Conley Jr., league sources told The Athletic. Memphis has been in conversations with the Jazz and Utah is a frontrunner to acquire Conley should the Grizzlies trade the point guard during draft week, league sources said.


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Pretweet note. The following can change at any moment. BUT. Sources are currently telling me that Derrick Favors is currently not on the table in Jazz/Conley talks. Again. That could change, but this is what I’m currently being told


I'm not sure if this means Jazz would keep Favors or just not guarantee his contract so he'd become a FA. I think it might be possible to make a legal trade if Exum, Crowder, and Grayson are involved assuming Korver either retires or Jazz reject his option but I'm not certain.
   3908. Booey Posted: June 17, 2019 at 03:44 PM (#5852867)
I'm not sure if this means Jazz would keep Favors or just not guarantee his contract so he'd become a FA. I think it might be possible to make a legal trade if Exum, Crowder, and Grayson are involved assuming Korver either retires or Jazz reject his option but I'm not certain.


How much can draft picks (well, specifically pick #23) count towards matching salary? I assume that would be part of the deal. Possibly future picks as well.
   3909. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 17, 2019 at 03:52 PM (#5852869)
Der-K, interested in having 3 straight picks? I'd do #9 for #17 and #35.
   3910. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 17, 2019 at 03:53 PM (#5852871)
How much can draft picks (well, specifically pick #23) count towards matching salary? I assume that would be part of the deal. Possibly future picks as well.


120% of the draft slot value. I believe the 23rd pick is slotted at $1.8841M (Basketball Insiders) so then $2.26092M.
   3911. Oriole Tragic don't want me here no more Posted: June 17, 2019 at 03:55 PM (#5852873)
@Dandy interested in a future first and perhaps someone off my roster? I have MIL's 2020 1st rounder and it's only Top-7 protected, so it's sure to convey.

@JJ1986 same thing for Sabonis?
   3912. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:01 PM (#5852876)
You'll trade 9 for 17 and 35? I'll do that.
   3913. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:08 PM (#5852882)
(note: anybody want to trade for 9 or 10 or 9 and 10?)
   3914. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:08 PM (#5852883)
You'll trade 9 for 17 and 35? I'll do that.

Deal. You're on the clock.
   3915. aberg Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:09 PM (#5852884)
(note: anybody want to trade for 9 or 10 or 9 and 10?)


If your goal is to get rid of picks, I could offer you 11 for 9 and 10. It will definitely help you have fewer picks.
   3916. aberg Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:11 PM (#5852885)
JJ- would you be interested in Dieng and 11 for Sabonis? Would have to consider more before making an official offer, but let me know.
   3917. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:17 PM (#5852889)
JJ, I'd be willing to deal for Sabonis...
   3918. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5852891)
JJ- would you be interested in Dieng and 11 for Sabonis? Would have to consider more before making an official offer, but let me know.
There's a guy I'd want at 11, but if he's there then yes.
   3919. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:21 PM (#5852892)
I'll do 9 for Sabonis and 17.
Dieng's contract is really and this guarantees that you get your guy.
   3920. sardonic Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:22 PM (#5852893)
Damn, got beaten to the trigger, I would have offered 16 and 32 to move up to 9, oh well.

Does any team have interest in trading for Domantas Sabonis? He's a very good player, but he and Myles Turner can't really play together and he's going to get paid in 2020. I'd be looking for a pick or a forward of similar age.


That just opens up the ability to deal for for Sabonis... I'll offer 16 for him straight up, and I don't even need to send back any cash!
   3921. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:22 PM (#5852894)
I'll do 9 for Sabonis and 17.

Edit: re-working the deal now.
   3922. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:23 PM (#5852895)
I give you 41, you give me 50.
   3923. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:25 PM (#5852896)
New deal: How about Sabonis and 18 for 9 and 44?

Edit: Der-K, do you have 35?
   3924. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:25 PM (#5852897)
( redacted)
   3925. sardonic Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:27 PM (#5852898)
I will do 16 and 32 straight up for Sabonis! Trying to wedge my way in here.
   3926. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:29 PM (#5852899)
so,
sabonis + 18 = 9, 44
deal.

I will laugh my head of when you draft the guy I want here.
   3927. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5852901)
Edit: Accepted.

sabonis + 18 = 9, 44
   3928. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5852902)
Indiana selects Brandon Clarke.
   3929. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:31 PM (#5852903)
I would have taken Clarke as well.
   3930. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:31 PM (#5852904)
I've been compiling on/off ratings over the last three years (including playoffs) for free agents and guys who have been in or rumored to be in trades. If you're interested (sorted by estimated wins per 82 games if their team had that net rating):
2017-19 Net Ratings (I tried putting in the data here, but I'm not spending the time to format it properly so am linking to a screenshot of it).

Porter is the biggest surprise, though I'm probably most skeptical of his or Mirotic's. Tobias' is scary, and the reason I started doing this since I don't get how many Jazz fans want to give him a max. D'Angelo's is much worse than I expected and has me down a bit more on him, though he's young enough that I'd still be more excited about him than Tobias.
   3931. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:31 PM (#5852905)
Atlanta selects Bol Bol.
   3932. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:33 PM (#5852906)
I would have taken Clarke as well.
Yeah, I had a feeling he wouldn't make it that far in our draft although I have no idea where he'll end up really.
   3933. aberg Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:37 PM (#5852910)
1. New Orleans – sardonic - Zion Williamson, F, Duke
2. Memphis – Willard Baseball - Ja Morant, G, Murray State
3. New York – JC and NJ - RJ Barrett, F, Duke
4. New Orleans (from LAL) - sardonic - Jarrett Culver, G Texas Tech
5. Cleveland - Harlond - DeAndre Hunter, F, UVA
6. Phoenix – Oriole Tragic - Coby White, PG, UNC
7. Chicago - Moses - Darius Garland, G, Vanderbilt
8. Atlanta - Der-K - Cam Reddish, F, Duke
9. Indiana – JJ - Brandon Clarke, F/C, Gonzaga
10. Atlanta - Der-K - Bol Bol, C, Oregon
11. Minnesota - aberg
12. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
13. Miami – Mouse
14. Boston – stevegamer
15. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
16. New Orleans (from ORL) – sardonic
17. Atlanta - Der-K
18. Indiana – JJ1986
19. San Antonio – Quaker
20. Boston – stevegamer
21. Oklahoma City – Thok
22. Boston – stevegamer
23. Memphis (from UTA) – Willard Baseball
24. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
25. Portland – PASTE
26. Cleveland - Harlond
27. Brooklyn – mike f
28. Golden State - sardonic
29. San Antonio – Quaker
30. Milwaukee – Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw

31. Brooklyn – mike f
32. New Orleans (from PHO) – sardonic
33. Philadelphia- 57i66135
34. Philadelphia- 57i66135
35. Atlanta - Der-K
36. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
37. Dallas
38. Chicago - Moses
39. Memphis (from NOP via PHO)– Willard Baseball
40. Sacramento - smileyy
41. Atlanta - Der-K
42. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
43. Minnesota - aberg
44. Atlanta- Der-K
45. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
46. Orlando – Athletic Supporter
47. Sacramento - smileyy
48. LA Clippers
49. San Antonio – Quaker
50. Indiana – JJ1986
51. Boston – stevegamer
52. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
53. Utah - Booey/Cervo
54. Philadelphia- 57i66135
55. New York – JC and NJ
56. LA Clippers
57. New Orleans – sardonic
58. Golden State - sardonic
59. Toronto
60. Sacramento - smileyy

Transactions:
MEM #39, Josh Jackson, Tyler Johnson
PHO Derrick Favors

MEM #23, Derrick Favors, Tony Bradley
UTA Mike Conley

NOP #16 (from ORL), #24 (from PHI), #42 (from PHI), ORL 2021 #1 (top-10 protected, then top-4, then unprotected), Mozgov (from ORL)
ORL J. Holiday (from NOP), J. Simmons (from PHI)
PHI Frank Jackson and Melvin Frazier(?) (from NOP), Fournier (from ORL)

NOP #32
PHO #39, Jahlil Okafor

WAS #17, #35
ATL #9

ATL Damontis Sabonis, #18
IND #9, #44

IRL:
NOP #4, Ingram, Ball, Hart, future 1sts and swaps
LAL Anthony Davis
   3934. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:37 PM (#5852911)
I think Denzel Valentine may still be a Bull.

Unfortunately, he is.

I would deal Ja for Garland, your 2020 unprotected 1st, and the right to swap 1sts in 2022.

That's fair, but this Bulls team is probably too far away to give up an unprotected first next year.
   3935. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:38 PM (#5852912)
I'm not sure what the future with Sabonis would look like for Atlanta - and I prefer more rim protection - but I'm basically getting a free look at him (move down one spot in the first, 9 in the second). Dude is real foul prone - I'm not sure that he'll ever be able to play 28-30 mpg.
   3936. Oriole Tragic don't want me here no more Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:47 PM (#5852913)
@Der-K you just pulled off a serious heist. Way to back up your BTF NBA co-MVP (with Moses) street cred. :D

Sabonis' defense: I'm not sure how much stock the groupthink here puts into the Per100 stats, but Sabonis' 2018 DRtg was 104 and that number has moved closer to 100 every year. I hear you on his rim protection, but he appears to rebound a ton.
   3937. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:55 PM (#5852917)
whispers: (oh, i like him)
   3938. Fridas Boss Posted: June 17, 2019 at 04:59 PM (#5852920)
Charlotte would be willing to trade out of 12 if someone wants to take Batum or Zeller.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/charlotte-hornets/yearly/cap/

   3939. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:00 PM (#5852922)
(note: anybody want to trade for 9 or 10 or 9 and 10?)
Anyone on the roster except Lebron is on the table. (Davis is not on the roster yet.) I know, it's crazy, but I'm willing to be this bold.
   3940. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:01 PM (#5852923)
Tom, you should put Jrue in there, it's eye popping :)

I really wonder if the market for Tobias is just going to crater. I could easily see it happening and him taking a 1 year 20M make good or something.
   3941. rr: target market for blowhard nonsense Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:14 PM (#5852926)
I know, it's crazy, but I'm willing to be this bold.


Don't do it. Bonga is our Swiss Army Knife.

Lowe's take on the LAL/NO deal emphasized all the uncertainty ("The NBA is insane"), that it could actually work out well for both teams, as noted by many here, Ingram's potential, and the potential synergy between James and Davis.

   3942. Booey Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:25 PM (#5852930)
Anyone on the roster except Lebron is on the table. (Davis is not on the roster yet.) I know, it's crazy, but I'm willing to be this bold.


What do you want for Kuzma? Runnin' Ute needs to come home, and you totally need Grayson Allen to be your enforcer and trip anyone who commits a hard foul on LBJ or The Brow...

(will also listen to offers for someone else, I suppose ;-)
   3943. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:29 PM (#5852932)
Now that I've picked him...
Bol is the one guy outside of the top of the draft that I really liked (more than Clarke). Centers are a dime a dozen and he weighs eight pounds and has a problematic motor and might not stay healthy and...

In limited action, against a non-conference schedule, he averaged 21/9.6 in 29.7 minutes. Shooting 52% from three. Shooting 52% from three.
He blocks shots. He doesn't roam around for boards but gets them anyway because he's so long. His assists aren't great but he's a pretty good looking passer, sees angles. Decent athlete.

High ceiling, low floor.

Does anyone else really like Bol?
   3944. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:32 PM (#5852933)
I would have offered 16 and 32 to move up to 9, oh well

Then you should've countered when I offered you 9 for 16 and 24! But if you're still looking to trade up, I might be willing to deal 17 for 24 and 32. That would give you consecutive mid first rounders and 4 of the top 17 picks.
   3945. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:33 PM (#5852934)
Tom, you should put Jrue in there, it's eye popping :)

I really wonder if the market for Tobias is just going to crater. I could easily see it happening and him taking a 1 year 20M make good or something.


Net rating updated with Jrue and AD

I would say. That obviously overrates him, but I think I could argue for him over anyone but AD on there. It's amazing that he also has the best net impact on defense of anyone on that list, slightly better than AD.
   3946. aberg Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:33 PM (#5852936)
My vision for the Wolves is to build around KAT, a scoring lead guard, and a bunch of long wings who offer something in the categories of defense/shooting/secondary playmaking. The current wings on the roster are Covington (like very much), Okogie (like as a defender, needs more offensive reps), and Wiggins (I think odds are low that he'll be on the team or will get any better, so I'm only planning around him as a contract). I don't think that scoring lead guard is on the roster or available at this point in the draft.

With Saric and Dieng, I have more than enough inside. I woudld like Hayes a lot, but don't have anywhere to play him and get him the needed development. I would envision Saric starting next to KAT because he can shoot and dribble enough that he's not just taking up space, but he would also be my primary backup C. Dieng is the third big on a team that will usually only play two bigs. Covington has plenty of size to play the 4 when needed. If I thought Hayes was going to become Clint Capela, I'd take him anyway and figure out the fit later, but there are no sure things here.

I like Hachimura a lot. The fact that he hasn't played much basketball makes the fact that he reacts slowly almost a feature. You get to set his playmaking and defensive habits rather than trying to reprogram him. He can shoot and finishes really well. He has a 7'2 wingspan. The only thing I don't love about him is his movement. He doesn't have great footspeed in the half-court and has less than no wiggle. I haven't seen much of Doumbouya other than a few highlight videos, but I feel similarly about him. He just looks more like a traditional 4 to me than the type of athletic wing I want to maximize KAT's uniqueness.

Nas Little has big plusses and big minuses. For a guy revered for his shooting prowess, he looked hopeless as a shooter last year. I get that the system wasn't a good fit for him, but why would that break your shooting mechanics? If we're already giving big minutes to Wiggins and Okogie, I can't abide another 25% outside shooter. Is that a good enough reason to pass on him? I don't know. I could regret not taking him. I would talk myself into Hachimura or Little if the Wolves took either of them. I'm also on the list of people who would've taken Clarke and I hope the Wolves do take him.

Instead, I'm going with Nickeil Alexander-Walker, G, Virginia Tech. I'm not sure he has one elite skill, but he can shoot, defend, pass, and dribble well right now. He's big enough to guard 1-3 (6'9.5 wingspan) and racked up good steal numbers in college. 37% on 3 and 78% from the line on solid volume are reassuring shooting numbers. He also did a lot of playmaking in college, which would be really nice to have. I could see him becoming a CJ McCollum type without the dead-eye midrange game and with better defense.



1. New Orleans – sardonic - Zion Williamson, F, Duke
2. Memphis – Willard Baseball - Ja Morant, G, Murray State
3. New York – JC and NJ - RJ Barrett, F, Duke
4. New Orleans (from LAL) - sardonic - Jarrett Culver, G Texas Tech
5. Cleveland - Harlond - DeAndre Hunter, F, UVA
6. Phoenix – Oriole Tragic - Coby White, PG, UNC
7. Chicago - Moses - Darius Garland, G, Vanderbilt
8. Atlanta - Der-K - Cam Reddish, F, Duke
9. Indiana – JJ - Brandon Clarke, F/C, Gonzaga
10. Atlanta - Der-K - Bol Bol, C, Oregon
11. Minnesota - aberg - Nickeil Alexander-Walker, G, Virginia Tech
12. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
13. Miami – Mouse
14. Boston – stevegamer
15. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
16. New Orleans (from ORL) – sardonic
17. Atlanta - Der-K
18. Indiana – JJ1986
19. San Antonio – Quaker
20. Boston – stevegamer
21. Oklahoma City – Thok
22. Boston – stevegamer
23. Memphis (from UTA) – Willard Baseball
24. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
25. Portland – PASTE
26. Cleveland - Harlond
27. Brooklyn – mike f
28. Golden State - sardonic
29. San Antonio – Quaker
30. Milwaukee – Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw

31. Brooklyn – mike f
32. New Orleans (from PHO) – sardonic
33. Philadelphia- 57i66135
34. Philadelphia- 57i66135
35. Atlanta - Der-K
36. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
37. Dallas
38. Chicago - Moses
39. Memphis (from NOP via PHO)– Willard Baseball
40. Sacramento - smileyy
41. Atlanta - Der-K
42. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
43. Minnesota - aberg
44. Atlanta- Der-K
45. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
46. Orlando – Athletic Supporter
47. Sacramento - smileyy
48. LA Clippers
49. San Antonio – Quaker
50. Indiana – JJ1986
51. Boston – stevegamer
52. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
53. Utah - Booey/Cervo
54. Philadelphia- 57i66135
55. New York – JC and NJ
56. LA Clippers
57. New Orleans – sardonic
58. Golden State - sardonic
59. Toronto
60. Sacramento - smileyy

Transactions:
MEM #39, Josh Jackson, Tyler Johnson
PHO Derrick Favors

MEM #23, Derrick Favors, Tony Bradley
UTA Mike Conley

NOP #16 (from ORL), #24 (from PHI), #42 (from PHI), ORL 2021 #1 (top-10 protected, then top-4, then unprotected), Mozgov (from ORL)
ORL J. Holiday (from NOP), J. Simmons (from PHI)
PHI Frank Jackson and Melvin Frazier(?) (from NOP), Fournier (from ORL)

NOP #32
PHO #39, Jahlil Okafor

WAS #17, #35
ATL #9

ATL Damontis Sabonis, #18
IND #9, #44

IRL:
NOP #4, Ingram, Ball, Hart, future 1sts and swaps
LAL Anthony Davis
   3947. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:35 PM (#5852938)
As Indiana, I wasn't really sure how to value Sabonis. I was thinking a very late lottery pick, like 13 or 14, though he has more value to another team. He's obviously better than that, but I don't think the Pacers can keep him and pay him $10-13 million a year with Turner's contract. With that, I consider 18 and somewhere around 13 for 9 and 44 to be fair value (although it's usually better for the team trading down). I made the trade because after Clarke, there aren't a lot of players who I value as even 15-20 range talents this year.
   3948. aberg Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:37 PM (#5852940)
Does anyone else really like Bol?


It's hard to peg him because he played so little and mainly against non-conf competition. As you note, there are plenty of reasons for optimism. He's also the kind of player who is so unique that you'd have to be careful building lineups around him (that goes both ways of course).

I was very proud of myself earlier this year when someone mentioned that he was likely out for the season in a UW basketball slack. My response was, "might one say Bol's chances of returning are... Manute."
   3949. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:39 PM (#5852941)
Stevegamer wanted off Boston (sorry!), so if anyone who isn't drafting for a team wants them, they'll be up soon. The Mighty Quintana also wanted the Clippers, although they're a ways off.
   3950. aberg Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:40 PM (#5852943)
I would say. That obviously overrates him, but I think I could argue for him over anyone but AD on there. It's amazing that he also has the best net impact on defense of anyone on that list, slightly better than AD.


Jrue Holiday is awesome. He's awesome when you watch him play, when you look at his stats, when you survey scouting reports, when you sample highlight reels, or when you read about his personal life. He and AD haven't had great luck with their own health and teammates' health, or with the rosters around them. I hope he finds himself on a successful team because he deserves it personally and he deserves to be seen more. Now that Lowry has a ring, Holiday can assume the mantle of "PG who deserves way more admiration."
   3951. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:45 PM (#5852947)
I'm in with you on Bol Bol, Der-K. At least he has a chance of becoming a superstar, which trumps proven mediocrity. I'd have drafted him 4th, maybe 3rd, and if I thought there were a chance he would drop to 16 here, I probably wouldn't have made the Jrue trade (oh who am I kidding, I love Jrue).
   3952. The Mighty Quintana Posted: June 17, 2019 at 05:50 PM (#5852950)
Sure - I'll take Boston!
   3953. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 06:04 PM (#5852954)
I love Jrue too.
--
Omari Spellman is on the block. He's one year into a first round rookie contract (so you can have him for up to three more years if you want) and a nice, if unexciting, cost controlled piece. Only 21 last season, shot 34% from three (47% from two), plays either front court spot, avoids mistakes. Note: this is not a dump, he has positive value imo - but he's crowded out by my adding two bigs.

Separately, I'm interested in adding a backup point guard through trade or free agency. mike f, what do you want for Napier?
   3954. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 17, 2019 at 06:10 PM (#5852956)
I'm not dying to move him, he's fine backing up Jrue and his salary is fine, but let me know if you're particularly interested in DJ Augustin (1/7M).
   3955. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 06:23 PM (#5852957)
I can envision scenarios where I pursue DJA, but I’d have to move Young for that to make sense and I’m not sure what deal has that happening. Thanks though!

I’m in relatively low budget territory here. Like, my plan B is pursuing Alex Caruso (whose shooting with the Lakers was a fluke but I’ve liked him since he was in college) as an RFA type territory.
   3956. sardonic Posted: June 17, 2019 at 06:40 PM (#5852960)
Then you should've countered when I offered you 9 for 16 and 24! But if you're still looking to trade up, I might be willing to deal 17 for 24 and 32. That would give you consecutive mid first rounders and 4 of the top 17 picks.


In retrospect, I should have. Somehow giving up a second rounder to move up from 16 to 9 feels a lot better than giving up 2 firsts. Too late for me to turn that into Sabonis now, but I guess that's what separates us mere posters from the Der-K's of the world. That job interview had better have been worth it!

Still, I'll take that deal now to get the 7 spots. Count it!

Transactions:
MEM #39, Josh Jackson, Tyler Johnson
PHO Derrick Favors

MEM #23, Derrick Favors, Tony Bradley
UTA Mike Conley

NOP #16 (from ORL), #24 (from PHI), #42 (from PHI), ORL 2021 #1 (top-10 protected, then top-4, then unprotected), Mozgov (from ORL)
ORL J. Holiday (from NOP), J. Simmons (from PHI)
PHI Frank Jackson and Melvin Frazier(?) (from NOP), Fournier (from ORL)

NOP #32
PHO #39, Jahlil Okafor

WAS #17, #35
ATL #9

ATL Damontis Sabonis, #18
IND #9, #44

NOP #17
WAS #24, #32

IRL:
NOP #4, Ingram, Ball, Hart, future 1sts and swaps
LAL Anthony Davis
   3957. Willard Baseball Posted: June 17, 2019 at 06:40 PM (#5852961)
Just a hypothetical....what would New Orleans get straight up for Ingram? Not sure they would move him, but if they did, what is the consensus on him from the board?

He might be something to somebody, but he is going to be expensive soon...he might be better with somebody who is a contender.
   3958. Fridas Boss Posted: June 17, 2019 at 08:11 PM (#5852982)
Charlotte needs a lot, whether Kemba resigns or not. I'm going to gamble on the upside of Sekou Doumbouya. I wasn't expecting him to be here and the other players in this area seem lower ceiling.

MIAMI is on the clock.

1. New Orleans – sardonic - Zion Williamson, F, Duke
2. Memphis – Willard Baseball - Ja Morant, G, Murray State
3. New York – JC and NJ - RJ Barrett, F, Duke
4. New Orleans (from LAL) - sardonic - Jarrett Culver, G Texas Tech
5. Cleveland - Harlond - DeAndre Hunter, F, UVA
6. Phoenix – Oriole Tragic - Coby White, PG, UNC
7. Chicago - Moses - Darius Garland, G, Vanderbilt
8. Atlanta - Der-K - Cam Reddish, F, Duke
9. Indiana – JJ - Brandon Clarke, F/C, Gonzaga
10. Atlanta - Der-K - Bol Bol, C, Oregon
11. Minnesota - aberg - Nickeil Alexander-Walker, G, Virginia Tech
12. Charlotte - Fridas Boss - Sekou Doumbouya, F, Limoges CSP
13. Miami – Mouse
14. Boston – stevegamer
15. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
16. New Orleans (from ORL) – sardonic
17. Atlanta - Der-K
18. Indiana – JJ1986
19. San Antonio – Quaker
20. Boston – stevegamer
21. Oklahoma City – Thok
22. Boston – stevegamer
23. Memphis (from UTA) – Willard Baseball
24. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
25. Portland – PASTE
26. Cleveland - Harlond
27. Brooklyn – mike f
28. Golden State - sardonic
29. San Antonio – Quaker
30. Milwaukee – Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw

31. Brooklyn – mike f
32. New Orleans (from PHO) – sardonic
33. Philadelphia- 57i66135
34. Philadelphia- 57i66135
35. Atlanta - Der-K
36. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
37. Dallas
38. Chicago - Moses
39. Memphis (from NOP via PHO)– Willard Baseball
40. Sacramento - smileyy
41. Atlanta - Der-K
42. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
43. Minnesota - aberg
44. Atlanta- Der-K
45. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
46. Orlando – Athletic Supporter
47. Sacramento - smileyy
48. LA Clippers
49. San Antonio – Quaker
50. Indiana – JJ1986
51. Boston – stevegamer
52. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
53. Utah - Booey/Cervo
54. Philadelphia- 57i66135
55. New York – JC and NJ
56. LA Clippers
57. New Orleans – sardonic
58. Golden State - sardonic
59. Toronto
60. Sacramento - smileyy

Transactions:
MEM #39, Josh Jackson, Tyler Johnson
PHO Derrick Favors

MEM #23, Derrick Favors, Tony Bradley
UTA Mike Conley

NOP #16 (from ORL), #24 (from PHI), #42 (from PHI), ORL 2021 #1 (top-10 protected, then top-4, then unprotected), Mozgov (from ORL)
ORL J. Holiday (from NOP), J. Simmons (from PHI)
PHI Frank Jackson and Melvin Frazier(?) (from NOP), Fournier (from ORL)

NOP #32
PHO #39, Jahlil Okafor

WAS #17, #35
ATL #9

ATL Damontis Sabonis, #18
IND #9, #44

IRL:
NOP #4, Ingram, Ball, Hart, future 1sts and swaps
   3959. sardonic Posted: June 17, 2019 at 08:14 PM (#5852984)
1. New Orleans – sardonic - Zion Williamson, F, Duke
2. Memphis – Willard Baseball - Ja Morant, G, Murray State
3. New York – JC and NJ - RJ Barrett, F, Duke
4. New Orleans (from LAL) - sardonic - Jarrett Culver, G Texas Tech
5. Cleveland - Harlond - DeAndre Hunter, F, UVA
6. Phoenix – Oriole Tragic - Coby White, PG, UNC
7. Chicago - Moses - Darius Garland, G, Vanderbilt
8. Atlanta - Der-K - Cam Reddish, F, Duke
9. Indiana – JJ - Brandon Clarke, F/C, Gonzaga
10. Atlanta - Der-K - Bol Bol, C, Oregon
11. Minnesota - aberg - Nickeil Alexander-Walker, G, Virginia Tech
12. Charlotte - Fridas Boss - ON THE CLOCK
13. Miami – Mouse
14. Boston – stevegamer
15. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
16. New Orleans (from ORL) – sardonic
17. New Orleans (from ATL via WAS) - sardonic
18. Atlanta – Der-K
19. San Antonio – Quaker
20. Boston – stevegamer
21. Oklahoma City – Thok
22. Boston – stevegamer
23. Memphis (from UTA) – Willard Baseball
24. Washington (from PHI via WAS) – Dandy Little Glove Man
25. Portland – PASTE
26. Cleveland - Harlond
27. Brooklyn – mike f
28. Golden State - sardonic
29. San Antonio – Quaker
30. Milwaukee – Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw

31. Brooklyn – mike f
32. Washington (from PHO via NOP) – Dandy Little Glove Man
33. Philadelphia- 57i66135
34. Philadelphia- 57i66135
35. Washington (from ATL) - Der-K
36. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
37. Dallas
38. Chicago - Moses
39. Memphis (from NOP via PHO)– Willard Baseball
40. Sacramento - smileyy
41. Atlanta - Der-K
42. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
43. Minnesota - aberg
44. Atlanta- Der-K
45. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
46. Orlando – Athletic Supporter
47. Sacramento - smileyy
48. LA Clippers
49. San Antonio – Quaker
50. Indiana – JJ1986
51. Boston – stevegamer
52. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
53. Utah - Booey/Cervo
54. Philadelphia- 57i66135
55. New York – JC and NJ
56. LA Clippers
57. New Orleans – sardonic
58. Golden State - sardonic
59. Toronto
60. Sacramento - smileyy
   3960. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 08:22 PM (#5852986)
18 is ATL, fyi
   3961. sardonic Posted: June 17, 2019 at 08:23 PM (#5852988)
Got it in the edit window, thanks!
   3962. aberg Posted: June 17, 2019 at 08:37 PM (#5852992)
Ingram, #4, and a future pick for Beal would be interesting. Ingram needing an extension probably matters less to Washington with wall clogging their cap.
   3963. Willard Baseball Posted: June 17, 2019 at 08:41 PM (#5852993)
Agreed, but then what do you do with Jrue? Lonzo/Jrue/Beal isn't a fit.
   3964. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 17, 2019 at 08:44 PM (#5852994)
You move Lonzo. A Beal/Jrue backcourt could do some things.
   3965. sardonic Posted: June 17, 2019 at 08:48 PM (#5852998)
I do like that Beal is really young and could be on the next good NOP team. Obviously, what I'd do in that scenario is move Jrue. I probably would pull the trigger on a Beal deal just to consolidate some assets.

   3966. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 17, 2019 at 08:50 PM (#5852999)
You go angling for draft picks from the Wizards because that team is going to be terrible for a long, long, long time.
   3967. covelli chris p Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:18 PM (#5853008)
this reminded me of old primer: https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/c1vl5f/plans_ai_were_a_failure_for_the_celtics_time_to/

should we tell them what option j was? is wiki gonzales still running?
   3968. sardonic Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:24 PM (#5853011)
At this point I'm not even trying to throw shade, more legit surprised (and saddened) than anything:

TORONTO -- Four people were shot and wounded at a rally Monday for the NBA champion Raptors, and three people were arrested, police said.


I mean, that didn't even happen in Oakland!
   3969. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:30 PM (#5853012)
Looks like last rundown post missed Doumbouya going at pick 12. So Miami is up.
   3970. Tin Angel Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:40 PM (#5853014)
TORONTO -- Four people were shot and wounded at a rally Monday for the NBA champion Raptors, and three people were arrested, police said.


I'm hoping the crowd didn't cheer when it happened...
   3971. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:48 PM (#5853020)
Der-K, I would be interested in Spellman, but there's damn little I (Portland) can offer and make the salary match work. Like, #25 and Labissiere?
   3972. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:58 PM (#5853026)
Agreed, but then what do you do with Jrue? Lonzo/Jrue/Beal isn't a fit.

i disagree. all of those guys can defend 1-3, so it works defensively. they're all good rebounders, so that's not an issue, either.

offensively, i think their skillsets are pretty complementary. all of them are effective ballhandlers, but none of the ball in their hands to be effective. lonzo is great at manipulating defenses early in the shot clock, getting them off-balance and finding spot up shooters in rhythm. jrue and beal are great 2nd playmakers who can spot up beyond the arc, or attack rotations off a kickout. then you have zion, who's basically a freight train. maybe add a stretch 5 who can slip and pop (vucevic? brook lopez? matt geiger?).


i think it works. they'd still be a move away from title contention, but i think that's a conference finals type of team, basically on par with POR/DEN/TOR/BOS.


Looks like last rundown post missed Doumbouya going at pick 12. So Miami is up.
btw: that's the guy i would take at 8. if i had any courage, i might take him as high as 3.
   3973. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:00 PM (#5853027)
I'm hoping the crowd didn't cheer when it happened...
but did they throw snowballs at santa claus?
   3974. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:13 PM (#5853029)
I’ll do 25 and skal for spellman
   3975. puck Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM (#5853030)
He and AD haven't had great luck with their own health and teammates' health

Jrue has had bad luck with his wife's health, too. (The former US Nats player.) He had to take that time off when she had a (benign) brain tumor.

They and the Ertz's (Zack Ertz of the Eagles and Julie Ertz of the US Nats soccer team) are quite the jock power couples.
   3976. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:15 PM (#5853031)
all of those guys can defend 1-3,
In what league?
   3977. Willard Baseball Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:27 PM (#5853036)
I really like all 3 guards, but there is no way those guys are all defending 1-3 consistently. Who from that group is guarding LBJ? Healthy KD? Kawhi?
   3978. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:40 PM (#5853041)
I really like all 3 guards, but there is no way those guys are all defending 1-3 consistently. Who from that group is guarding LBJ? Healthy KD? Kawhi?
i guess you think brandon ingram can slow that group down then eh?

worst case:
A: you throw zion at those guys.
B: you keep someone like jared dudley or corey brewer in the back of your rotation to agitate for 10-15 minutes every night.
C: you trade for dellavadova or zaza or olynyk, and wait for nature to take its course.
   3979. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:44 PM (#5853043)
Athletic, interested in a DJ Augustin for Ersan trade? They're both on 1-year, $7 million deals. Boring trade but I think swapping them would balance out the needs of our teams a bit.
   3980. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:48 PM (#5853045)
I’ll do 25 and skal for spellman


What the hell then. Consider it called in.

I'm very concerned about Spellman's injury/fitness issues, FWIW, but in this draft class I still consider him a better prospect than anyone I'm likely to get at #25. And if he couldn't succeed in Portland then he'll probably never succeed anywhere.
   3981. Willard Baseball Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:52 PM (#5853046)
Ingram at least has that experience.

Holiday is 6'4". Beal is 6'4 and 3/4. Lonzo is taller, but is at his best stopping the ball at the point of attack.

In Lonzo rookie year, when the Lakers played well down the stretch, Lonzo guarded the ball well, Hart and Ingram guarded bigger guys, and KCP hid/sulked/shot too much/slash "guarded" shooting guards. The formula did change a bit last year with Ingram guarding some guys like Steph, but I don't see any of these 3 guards playing together.

Lakers start:

Rondo
Butler
LBJ
Kuzma
Anthony Davis

How are Lonzo/Holiday/Beal/Zion/Center (Randle???) going to match up defensively?
   3982. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:53 PM (#5853047)
Lakers start:

Rondo
Butler
LBJ
Kuzma
Anthony Davis

How are Lonzo/Holiday/Beal/Zion/Center (Randle???) going to match up defensively?
o.O
   3983. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:57 PM (#5853049)
Lakers start:

Rondo
Butler
LBJ
Kuzma
Anthony Davis

How are Lonzo/Holiday/Beal/Zion/Center (Randle???) going to match up defensively?

beal - rondo
holiday - butler
zion - lebron
lonzo - kuzma
randle - AD
   3984. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: June 17, 2019 at 11:16 PM (#5853053)
this is fun; let's keep going:

jrue - curry
beal - klay
zion - durant
lonzo - iguodala
randle - draymond

jrue - lillard
ball - mccollum
beal - harkless
randle - aminu
zion - nurkic

ball - magic
jrue - michael
beal - scottie
randle - chuck
zion - admiral
   3985. tshipman Posted: June 17, 2019 at 11:22 PM (#5853055)
In limited action, against a non-conference schedule, he averaged 21/9.6 in 29.7 minutes. Shooting 52% from three. Shooting 52% from three.
He blocks shots. He doesn't roam around for boards but gets them anyway because he's so long. His assists aren't great but he's a pretty good looking passer, sees angles. Decent athlete.


It was 9 games, so it's only 25 3pers. The difference between shooting 52% and shooting 32% is 5 shots. Now, he made those 5 shots to his credit, but he's not exactly a "52% 3p shooter".

I think it's more likely that Bol Bol never plays a minute in the NBA (due to injuries) than that he makes an ASG, BUT in the real world, some team will take him way too low and 1-10% of the time will get an all star in the late first/early second.

He's the kind of player that more teams *should* take 10th, but ends up going later because taking a guy 10th who never plays a game gets you fired.
   3986. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 17, 2019 at 11:37 PM (#5853057)
Rondae is like a dull Swiss Army knife. He's useful, but you really should get a better knife than that, and better screwdriver, and at that point you'd rather have a good pair of pliers than a Swiss Army knife since you have the other dimensions covered. It's a pity, I like watching the guy play, but I tend to agree that it's not clear how he fits in this league exactly.

Griffey, I'll pass on Augustin for Ilyasova -- the guy I need most is more of a two than a stretch four. I might do it later (after our timeline, unfortunately) if free agency falls a certain way, but not right now. (The guy I need is, basically, Danny Green, who is a free agency target.)
   3987. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 17, 2019 at 11:51 PM (#5853059)
Bol was also an outstanding shooter in high level comp prior to college. (That said, he bounced around from school to school and there are a host of other concerns there. And his release is low. And, no, he’s not a 52% shooter.)

I think Spellman might be a solid fit in POR, for what it’s worth. For me, Skal offers the potential to play the same role that Spellman would for the Hawks, but with more length, and I’m hoping the ATL’s big man whispers can get him to fire away from three as they have other guys ... this dude seems to be a prime candidate for it.
That said, I plan to flip the contract.

So, I have some okay players on large expiring contracts and I have cap space. They might be on the move...
Mouse/Miami - did you want to discuss a Ryan Anderson deal? I can save you some money in exchange for assets...
Frida’s Boss/Charlotte- we can talk a Tatum deal, though I might ask for more than you wanna give.
   3988. Oriole Tragic don't want me here no more Posted: June 18, 2019 at 12:51 AM (#5853061)
@Der-K what do you want for Skal?
   3989. tshipman Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:01 AM (#5853062)
Rondae is like a dull Swiss Army knife. He's useful, but you really should get a better knife than that, and better screwdriver, and at that point you'd rather have a good pair of pliers than a Swiss Army knife since you have the other dimensions covered. It's a pity, I like watching the guy play, but I tend to agree that it's not clear how he fits in this league exactly.


Like, I basically agree with this, but he had a better on/off than D'Angelo on the same team, and people are seriously talking about giving D-Lo a max.

It is incredibly true that people like to watch the ball go in the basket, and it absolutely obstructs analysis.
   3990. stevegamer Posted: June 18, 2019 at 04:36 AM (#5853070)
Charlotte would be willing to trade out of 12 if someone wants to take Batum or Zeller.


Dallas could be interested in Zeller, and we have a trade exception we can take him into. What will you send with him to dump the salary?
   3991. Paul D(uda) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 06:53 AM (#5853072)
The Warriors took out a full page ad in in toronto newspaper to congratulate the Raptors. Pretty classy.
   3992. jmurph Posted: June 18, 2019 at 07:11 AM (#5853073)
MIL is rumored to be willing to attach draft considerations to Ilyasova or Snell to move them, add flexibility. (h/t: marc stein).

Are the Spurs the only good team over the past 20 years to figure out how to stay good while also adding talent through the draft? I'm exaggerating, but so many teams end up doing this with their picks as if they don't have any value to a good team. Miami and Cleveland specifically come to mind.
   3993. jmurph Posted: June 18, 2019 at 07:13 AM (#5853075)
Whoa, this is interesting:
The Pelicans have explored moving from No. 4 to No. 2 in order to select R.J. Barrett, sources tell Marc Berman of the New York Post.

(I'm not totally caught up on the thread, don't know if someone already posted that.)
   3994. . . . . . . Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:09 AM (#5853077)
If I’m the Knicks I would give up value to help the pelis move up if they guaranteed they would take barrett
   3995. Rally Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:35 AM (#5853080)
TORONTO -- Four people were shot and wounded at a rally Monday for the NBA champion Raptors, and three people were arrested, police said.


That's why we need a wall - to protect us from the wildlings in the north.
   3996. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:27 AM (#5853085)
Oriole Tragic, I’d do it (give you Skal) for something trivial, like a protected future second round pick (say, 2020 - protected 31-44, after five years it converts into 500k if not conveyed). If you don’t mind getting cute, toss in the rights to Cenk Aykol, who will never play in the NBA but whose rights have been traded many times - twice by Atlanta.
   3997. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:44 AM (#5853101)
Mouse/Miami - did you want to discuss a Ryan Anderson deal? I can save you some money in exchange for assets...


I don't care about money, because right now I think (absent a deal I doubt it out there) I figure to hunker down, accumulate assets and wait for my bevy of too expensive contracts to expire (or at least get closer to that). Then with assets in hand and a bunch of expiring contracts (or upcoming cap space) make a bid then. Sadly after trying to decide what to do for a while, bidding time is I think the Heat's best (and yet boring) option. Sigh.

With all that being said (sorry about the delay, caught me in a busy night and morning) .. The Miami Heat select Jaxson Hayes (C) from Texas.

He is raw, but the defensive upside is clearly there and his free throw percentage (74%) and athleticism gives me hope that the offense has a shot of coming around. I think he has definite bust potential (duh), but since I am waiting at least another year to be relevant taking a high upside raw guy makes sense to me.

EDIT: However, if someone wants one of my expensive players (anyone with more than 5 years in the league) in exchange for future or younger assets, I am certainly open to that.
   3998. shout-out to 57i66135; that shit's working now Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5853109)
@ByJayKing
It’s probably worth noting today that the Celtics had an abysmal -9.8 net rating without Horford on the court after the All-Star break. Keeping him is a stated priority for the team — and rightfully so.

@chrisgrenham
Woj says on @SportsCenter that the Celtics are "almost to the point of resignation" that Kyrie is going to leave. Also reaffirmed that the Celtics will try to trade at least one of their three first-round picks. pic.twitter.com/2K8ViOgPGT
   3999. NJ in NY (Now with Big Girl!) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:15 AM (#5853111)
Berman should be considered an MSG employee. There's a good chance this story is meant to make the Knicks look better for taking RJ.
   4000. JJ1986 Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:16 AM (#5853112)
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