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Tuesday, April 16, 2019

OT - NBA thread (Playoffs through off-season)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and this one only cares about the NBA thread and the Cubs so I have no idea what the rest of the website cares about.

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 16, 2019 at 02:18 PM | 6831 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   6501. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: August 15, 2019 at 01:06 PM (#5871685)
1. Posted Pelton projections at the end of last page

2. Torn ACL for Boogie, I think that's probably it for his career.
   6502. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: August 15, 2019 at 01:24 PM (#5871688)
WC:
HOU/DEN

LAL/LAC/UTA/GSW
DAL

POR/SAC/MIN
SAS/NOP/PHX
OKC

MEM

EC:
MIL
BOS/PHI/ORL
TOR
MIA/IND
BRK
CHI/DET

WAS
ATL/CHA

CLE/NYK


:Book of Mormon Voice: "Orlando!"

And, uh, Dallas theme song or something.
   6503. jmurph Posted: August 15, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5871690)
Man that's brutal for Boogie.
   6504. If on a winter's night a new father Posted: August 15, 2019 at 01:52 PM (#5871697)
Literally every season, he's either been on a lousy team or gotten injured. Life's not fair, man.
   6505. spivey Posted: August 15, 2019 at 01:55 PM (#5871698)
Boogie has lost so, so much money by not being a FA a year earlier.
   6506. aberg Posted: August 15, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5871701)
Lakers losing Boogie hurts in the sense that there was a chance he could be another talented player, but I always thought Lebron-Kuzma-Davis would be a better frontcourt for them, and now that appears to be what will happen most of the time. Definitely narrows the margin for error.

IIRC, Sacto wanted to pay Boogie earlier, but he turned down the extension, which led to the NO trade. While it sucks, that's the argument for taking the guaranteed money, unfashionable as that has become.
   6507. aberg Posted: August 15, 2019 at 02:12 PM (#5871705)
Team USA sounds like they got spanked in a scrimmage with G League guys. Harrison Barnes should not be in any closing lineups.


Team USA obviously needs to bring Jimmy Butler and 4 G League guys to the World Cup.
   6508. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: August 15, 2019 at 02:18 PM (#5871707)
Team USA obviously needs to bring Jimmy Butler and 4 G League guys to the World Cup.
oh god yes.
   6509. Fourth True Outcome Posted: August 15, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5871712)
What a brutal, brutal injury for Boogie. An object lesson in the risks of waiting for the FA paycheck, I guess, but what a sad thing that his career won't ever amount to more than a fraction of what might have been, and he'll never get the big paycheck.
   6510. aberg Posted: August 15, 2019 at 02:43 PM (#5871714)
Boogie's estimated career earnings- $93m. Not bad!
   6511. Fourth True Outcome Posted: August 15, 2019 at 02:50 PM (#5871716)
I mean I'd take it, but that number could easily be 2-4x what it is, which has to sting.
   6512. GregD Posted: August 15, 2019 at 03:38 PM (#5871728)
Yeah reports were Sacramento was offering him a $207 million contract to cover 2018-2023 seasons.

Thus far he has earned:

2018-2019 $5.3 million
2019-2020 $3.5 million

A total of $8.8 million.

Now he has three seasons to go, but I wouldn't bet on him getting even $8.8 million over those three seasons. I could see a team or two taking one-year flyers on his health.

So he's probably lost roughly $190 million by not signing the extension.
   6513. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: August 16, 2019 at 09:47 PM (#5872047)
that is a normal jumpshot. move on. find anus lant.


   6514. jmurph Posted: August 17, 2019 at 03:04 PM (#5872173)
This (relatively) recent trend of writers letting agents write tweets for them is... super weak:
Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
Sacramento Kings guard De’Aaron Fox will withdraw from Team USA to focus on upcoming season with goal of making playoffs, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
   6515. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: August 17, 2019 at 09:23 PM (#5872235)
Cousins: Never a guy they could count on ofc, but I did consider him one of three X factors for the team, so I see this as a pretty big deal. Still looking forward to watching the Lakers, but not as hopeful about having a top-tier team now.
Pelton projections: Thanks for posting the tiers. Mostly Agree with the East, but even accounting for "load management"/injuries, not seeing Houston and Denver above LAC and Utah. Notable that both 538 and Pelton have Houston at the top. Also questioning Orlando.
Bradley Beal: Given how tight the top of the league is, if/where Washington moves him could be quite significant.
   6516. puck Posted: August 17, 2019 at 10:31 PM (#5872256)
not seeing Houston and Denver above LAC and Utah.


Do you suppose some sort of age factor could be helping the Nuggets in projections? I'm not sure what NBA aging curves are supposed to be like. Gary Harris enters his age 25 yr, Jokic 24, Murray 22, Beasley 23, Morris 24.
   6517. spivey Posted: August 18, 2019 at 08:01 AM (#5872277)
Denver is quite deep too. I like their team, though they could use a bit more defensive steel.
   6518. tshipman Posted: August 18, 2019 at 03:13 PM (#5872362)
Denver ran a gimmicky defense that largely worked in the regular season (108.9 DRTG) but largely fell apart in the post-season (113 DRTG).

The projection systems don't know that they were running a gimmick, but people who watched the playoffs do, and that helps drive some of the disconnect. Are you evaluating them as a top 10 defensive team, or bottom 10 team?
   6519. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: August 19, 2019 at 12:03 AM (#5872452)
Denver is quite deep too. I like their team, though they could use a bit more defensive steel.

keep in mind that denver has 6'10 michael porter coming off an injury redshirt, 7'2 bol bol recovering from a broken foot, 6'9 jarred vanderbilt going into his 2nd season, plus they traded for 6'9 jerami grant.

also, they return 10 of the 11 players on last year's team who played more than 200 minutes -- the only rotation player they lost is trey lyles, who was terrible.
   6520. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: August 19, 2019 at 07:42 AM (#5872470)
David Blatt announced that he has MS.
   6521. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: August 19, 2019 at 08:14 AM (#5872472)
The Lakers will definitely be acquiring the best big they can find on short notice without having to give up any rotation players (because Davis hates playing center on defense). Who’s that likely to be?
   6522. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: August 19, 2019 at 09:35 AM (#5872494)
Pelton's system penalizes players for switching teams, so the teams who are returning most of their minutes (DEN, HOU, ORL, etc) get a boost. Given that most of the league completely changed that's going to have a somewhat significant impact.
   6523. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: August 19, 2019 at 10:53 AM (#5872530)
The Lakers will definitely be acquiring the best big they can find on short notice without having to give up any rotation players (because Davis hates playing center on defense). Who’s that likely to be?


Keeping loose:

https://gph.is/2yb4IDa
   6524. JJ1986 Posted: August 19, 2019 at 11:55 AM (#5872551)
I know he was terrible for years, but I'd sign Joakim. Definitely not Dwight Howard. And they can upgrade on the buyout market if they're in place to need improvement. Plus AD will play center a bunch in the playoffs.
   6525. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: August 19, 2019 at 12:06 PM (#5872555)
boban is still a free agent.
ekpe udoh.
anthony randolph.
edy tavares.
zaza.
amir johnson.
mozgov.
zeller.
salah mejri.
gortat.
leuer.
ryan kelly.
ryan anderson.
bogut.
faried.
   6526. Fourth True Outcome Posted: August 19, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5872565)
Boban signed a 2 yr deal in Dallas I believe. I think the obvious move for the Lakers is to sign LeBron friend Kendrick Perkins away from his media responsibilities...
   6527. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: August 19, 2019 at 12:27 PM (#5872566)
I'm sure they could rustle up a Plumlee in short order.
   6528. jmurph Posted: August 19, 2019 at 02:21 PM (#5872617)
This could be interesting (they've only posted 50-46 so far): NBCSports.com’s 50 best NBA players in 5 years.

   6529. jmurph Posted: August 19, 2019 at 03:14 PM (#5872647)
Did someone already post this?
Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
The Grizzlies are granting the Los Angeles Lakers permission to speak with Dwight Howard, league sources tell
@TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.
   6530. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: August 19, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5872648)
Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
The Grizzlies are granting the Los Angeles Lakers permission to speak with Dwight Howard, league sources tell
@TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

"Please, by all means! Talk to him!"
   6531. aberg Posted: August 19, 2019 at 04:49 PM (#5872683)
I think Denver could improve their defense to be roughly average if they adjusted their lineups and playing time to skew toward the better defensive guys in their rotation, but I think it would be a net negative for the team. Their playoff strategy was just to outscore everyone, and it very nearly got them to the conference finals. The path to a title for a team with Jokic as its best player probably involves other teams playing badly or getting hurt (there's no GS-sized mountain in their way now, but hard to see them as a playoff favorite). I could see them getting to the WCF with this core, and that's pretty good.
   6532. GregD Posted: August 19, 2019 at 05:54 PM (#5872704)
This could be interesting (they've only posted 50-46 so far): NBCSports.com’s 50 best NBA players in 5 years.
These are fun. But always worth remembering that Korleone Young would have made the lists put together in 1997 when he was dominating the summer circuit (with Corey Meggette, who would have been HIGH on this list)....and ended up playing 3 games in the NBA despite having no significant injury problems.
   6533. Booey Posted: August 19, 2019 at 06:09 PM (#5872709)
I think Denver could improve their defense to be roughly average if they adjusted their lineups and playing time to skew toward the better defensive guys in their rotation, but I think it would be a net negative for the team. Their playoff strategy was just to outscore everyone, and it very nearly got them to the conference finals.


They also very nearly lost in the 1st round to the 7th seeded Spurs.

They were the 2nd seed, but I personally would have bet against them in a playoff series vs any of the other top 5 teams in the West (GSW, POR, HOU, UTA).
   6534. spivey Posted: August 19, 2019 at 06:22 PM (#5872712)
Denver is very young, and pretty good. They could use an elite wing defender or two. Especially since Millsap won't be there/reliable in a couple of years. I think their needs are fillable, even if they won't have max room or high draft picks.
   6535. aberg Posted: August 19, 2019 at 06:55 PM (#5872717)
Things to like about Denver:
-They're young, and some of their core players can still get better.
-They have a built-in home court advantage that few have.
-They have a legitimate franchise centerpiece in Jokic, who is probably about the 10th best player in the league with a chance to get a little better defensively if he gets in great shape.
-They are really deep in quality NBA players.
-Porter and Bol have a lot more potential than good teams can usually add in the draft.

Things to not like about Denver:
-They just gave Murray a contract he probably can't ever live up to.
-Millsap is still very important to them and he's getting old. (I think Grant fills some of that role defensively, but without Millsap's offense).
-Harris is supposed to be a foundational player and hasn't played at that level consistently.
-Most of their best players have defensive limitations.
-They will never be a free agent destination.
-While possible, it seems unilkely that Jokic will ever defend enough to be a top 5 player.
   6536. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: August 19, 2019 at 07:12 PM (#5872718)
i don't trust DEN's guards to create their own shot against top perimeter defenders, so if i was DEN, i'd keep my eye on OKC in case they put chris paul back on the market.

a paul/jokic pick and pop would be pretty damn fun to watch.
   6537. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: August 21, 2019 at 09:48 AM (#5873129)
Saw it in the basketball-reference email newsletter and thought of this thread:

The Sichuan Blue Whales (China) and Jerryd Bayless have agreed to a contract.

   6538. If on a winter's night a new father Posted: August 21, 2019 at 04:16 PM (#5873256)
There goes my dream of seeing Bayless and Bazemore on the same team just for the stupid jokes.
   6539. Manny Coon Posted: August 21, 2019 at 04:28 PM (#5873259)
Maybe the Blue Whales could dump Jason Thompson and bring in Bazemore as their second non-Chinese player.
   6540. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: August 22, 2019 at 11:13 AM (#5873422)
Devin Booker and Kevin Durant both being vehemently anti-double teams in pickup lets me know that my distaste for both is clearly rational.
   6541. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: August 22, 2019 at 11:22 AM (#5873427)
   6542. Fourth True Outcome Posted: August 22, 2019 at 12:29 PM (#5873451)
Who knows how it'll work this season, and he would take an immediate leap towards to top of valuable players if he develops a jumper that defenders need to respect, but it is wild how much Ben Simmons' jumper looks like a right-handed shot that he just chooses to shoot with the wrong hand at the last second.
   6543. Booey Posted: August 22, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5873492)
#6541 - Do I need to post Nicolas Batum's video of Gobert nailing 3's in practice for the French National team? Rudy hits 3 of 5 in the video, and one of the ones he missed was knocked away by another shooters ball. There's a big difference between what a player can do in PRACTICE (said in Allen Iverson's voice) vs what they can do in an actual game.

The Gobert video is also one continuous take - including his misses - whereas the Simmons video is pieced together from multiple possessions and shows only what they want you to see. He could've missed five jumpers for every one that he made for all we know.
   6544. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 22, 2019 at 01:52 PM (#5873503)
The Athletic (paywall) article on players' nicknames taken from BB-REF.

I'd never heard Dion Waiters' nickname, "Google Me".

The Bucks can boast a formidable group of natural phenomena:

Ersan Ilyasova: “Turkish Thunder”

Pat Connaughton: “Vanilla Thunder”

Brook Lopez: “Splash Mountain”
   6545. If on a winter's night a new father Posted: August 22, 2019 at 04:15 PM (#5873564)
The Athletic (paywall) article on players' nicknames taken from BB-REF.
This is wonderful, and perfectly clear about its methodology, but I have a few beefs with the listed nicknames. Just looking at the Celtics and Warriors (I'm from New England and live in the Bay, so those are the ones I know best), "Timelord" has firmly supplanted "Boo Butt" as Robert Williams' nickname, and "The Dancing Bear" is going to play in China next season, not San Francisco.

"Grouchy nickname pedant" is not a mantle I ever dreamed of wearing, but life comes at you fast.
   6546. aberg Posted: August 23, 2019 at 02:44 PM (#5873798)
I don't think it matters, but I found it interesting that Kawhi has never finished a season in the top 10 in the league in points.
   6547. aberg Posted: August 23, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5873835)
Donte DiVincenzo: “The Big Ragu”


The writer must not know Laverne and Shirley, because that's a 5-star nickname for an Italian guy on Milwaukee.
   6548. Kurt Posted: August 23, 2019 at 04:11 PM (#5873845)
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA
Kris Humphries went 70-of-85 on 3s after practice today. We talkin' bout practice, not a game, practice -- still cool to watch.
4:38 PM · May 8, 2015
   6549. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: August 23, 2019 at 04:43 PM (#5873859)
[6548] He then shot 33% on 162 attempts after that date. Prior to he was a career 8% 3 point shooter on 26 attempts. That's pretty cool. Yes, it's a slow Friday at work, why do you ask?
   6550. Fourth True Outcome Posted: August 23, 2019 at 05:55 PM (#5873890)
Shams and Woj have it that Dwight is being bought out by the Grizz to sign a non-guaranteed deal with the Lakers. Who knows how it'll play out, but I doubt it'll be boring!
   6551. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: August 23, 2019 at 06:12 PM (#5873894)
We all know exactly how it will play out: he'll be frequently injured, will alienate everyone, and will be released (or at least given his ball and told to go home) by Thanksgiving. He's Dwight Howard. We've seen this movie before.
   6552. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: August 24, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5874071)
For the first time in team history, the United States lost an international basketball game to Australia when they allowed Patty Mills to drop 30 points on the way to a final score of 98-94.

The loss was also the first time in 13 years that a roster made up of NBA players did not win an international game—which includes both exhibition and tournament matches. That last defeat came at the hands of Greece in the semifinals of the 2006 world championship.

The Boomer front court thrived against Team USA’s porous defense. At half time, Australia had 26 points in the paint to USA’s 10. By the time the final buzzer went off, it was 46-26

the celtics odds for winning the NBA title just dropped from 40-1 to 60-1.
   6553. Booey Posted: August 25, 2019 at 09:17 PM (#5874354)
Good news, jmurph! The HoopsHype list is getting into the REAL players now, so hopefully these are all guys you want to think about rather than guys you're being forced to think about! (except maybe Irving...;-)

40. Elton Brand
39. Paul George
38. Joe Johnson
37. Blake Griffin
36. Amare Stoudemire
35. LaMarcus Aldridge
34. Damian Lillard
33. Allen Iverson
32. Kyrie Irving
31. Ben Wallace

Random side notes:

Still no Klay! That means he's top 30! I'd have never guessed he'd outrank guys like PG and Blake and Ben Wallace.

Also, Giannis already top 30?
   6554. Thok Posted: August 26, 2019 at 07:31 AM (#5874376)
I find it surprising that Shawn Marion hasn't shown up yet on the HoopsHype list; top 30 feels too high for him, but outside the top 100 is definitely too low.
   6555. Rally Posted: August 26, 2019 at 08:41 AM (#5874379)
The loss was also the first time in 13 years that a roster made up of NBA players did not win an international game—which includes both exhibition and tournament matches. That last defeat came at the hands of Greece in the semifinals of the 2006 world championship.


Looking at the roster I don't see this as a shocking upset. Team Australia is mostly made up of NBA players, their NBA guys handled the bulk of the minutes. And team USA is not exactly made up of MVP candidates. Only one player - Kemba Walker, 3rd team, was an All-NBA player last year.
   6556. jmurph Posted: August 26, 2019 at 09:57 AM (#5874399)
Good news, jmurph! The HoopsHype list is getting into the REAL players now, so hopefully these are all guys you want to think about rather than guys you're being forced to think about! (except maybe Irving...;-)

Ha, okay fine, it's getting mildly more interesting.
   6557. spivey Posted: August 26, 2019 at 10:08 AM (#5874408)
Joe Johnson was a good player, but his peak was never even close to Paul George or Brand's peak. I feel like because Johnson aged well, people may be forgetting he really wasn't that good. He didn't play defense and he wasn't *that* good offensively.
   6558. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: August 26, 2019 at 10:14 AM (#5874414)
It's interesting because you have to heavily weight peak to put Giannis as high up as he evidently is, yet you you have to heavily weight career to get Joe Johnson into the 30s.
   6559. jmurph Posted: August 26, 2019 at 10:16 AM (#5874416)
Joe Johnson was a good player, but his peak was never even close to Paul George or Brand's peak. I feel like because Johnson aged well, people may be forgetting he really wasn't that good. He didn't play defense and he wasn't *that* good offensively.

Right, this has been the issue with this entire exercise. The Jason Terry/Draymond conversation above (or on a previous page) addressed roughly the same point.
   6560. jmurph Posted: August 26, 2019 at 10:18 AM (#5874418)
Honestly Iverson-Lillard is another example of this, though obviously Iverson was a lot better than Johnson or Terry.
   6561. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: August 26, 2019 at 10:28 AM (#5874424)
Joe Johnson! Amazing!
   6562. Booey Posted: August 26, 2019 at 11:07 AM (#5874453)
It appears that they're trying to balance peak vs career. There's been guys who were pure peak in a very short career, guys who played forever but were never stars, and everything in between (and honestly, isn't that how all these lists go in every sport? Baseball lists sure do). Johnson I think is being seen as sort of a combination of the two. He played forever like Terry and Korver and Richard Jefferson, but unlike them he also had a peak that included 7 All Star appearances, so at a glance it makes sense. That said, I agree that he's too high, because I think you need to take conference strength into account. Johnson was a borderline AS caliber player at his peak, but because the EC sucked and the West had 2/3rds of the leagues best players, borderline guys HAD to make the All Star team in the East by default (see Millsap never making it with the Jazz and then getting selected every year for the Hawks). I think Conley and Johnson were probably comparably valuable players at their peaks, but due to conference imbalances Money Mike trails Iso Joe 0-7 in All Star selections.
   6563. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 26, 2019 at 12:25 PM (#5874493)
Dwight is being bought out by the Grizz to sign a non-guaranteed deal with the Lakers. Who knows how it'll play out, but I doubt it'll be boring!


Ugh. I wouldn't wish him on LeBron. There has to be some random FA floating around that can back up McGee.
   6564. jmurph Posted: August 26, 2019 at 01:19 PM (#5874520)
Ugh. I wouldn't wish him on LeBron. There has to be some random FA floating around that can back up McGee.

Yeah I think chemistry can at times be overrated, but Howard seems practically universally disliked. This doesn't seem like a worthwhile gamble.
   6565. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: August 26, 2019 at 10:53 PM (#5874650)
Yeah I think chemistry can at times be overrated, but Howard seems practically universally disliked. This doesn't seem like a worthwhile gamble.


I don't think you understand. He's in the best mental shape of his life!
   6566. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 27, 2019 at 07:30 AM (#5874680)
There has to be some random FA floating around that can back up McGee.

They also worked out Noah. There's plenty of reason to doubt his health, but he's probably a better fit. I was going to say he has less upside than Howard, but I'm ready to stop pretending there's any upside left (for either of them).

---

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn

Brooklyn Nets guard Caris LeVert has agreed to a three-year, $52.5 million contract extension, league sources tell ESPN. LeVert turns 25 today.
   6567. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: August 27, 2019 at 09:49 AM (#5874699)
Jeremy Lin to the Beijing Ducks.
   6568. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: August 27, 2019 at 10:16 AM (#5874706)
Wait. The team in Beijing is really called the Ducks? Really?!?
   6569. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: August 27, 2019 at 10:37 AM (#5874723)
The good one is, yup - Starbury played for them during their most recent heyday.
The best team (now and historically) is the GuangDong Southern Tigers, featuring Marshon Brooks, Sonny Weems and Yi Jianlian among ex-NBA types. (Yi won the DPOTY! I know he's reportedly improved on that end but - really?)
   6570. jmurph Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:01 PM (#5874758)
Anybody listening to the 30 for 30 podcast on Donald Sterling? I did the first two episodes so far. It's fine, but I want it to be like 20% better.
   6571. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 27, 2019 at 03:03 PM (#5874829)
Jeremy Lin to the Beijing Ducks.
Disappointing, because F the commies.
   6572. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: August 28, 2019 at 10:50 PM (#5875226)
oh for ##### sake.


@wojespn

7-footer Spencer Hawes is working out for the 76ers Thursday, league sources tell ESPN. Hawes, 31, has played 10 years in NBA and played with Lakers G-League team last season.
@MarcJSpearsESPN
reported Joe Johnson is part of Philly workout too.
8:23 PM · Aug 28, 2019
   6573. stevegamer Posted: August 29, 2019 at 12:54 AM (#5875243)
I thought you'd be excited for a potential return of "Spencer Hawesome".

Joe Johnson is tearing up the Big3.
   6574. If on a winter's night a new father Posted: August 29, 2019 at 01:15 PM (#5875334)
Per Woj, Wilson Chandler tested positive for a PED, which carries a 25-game suspension.

I'm starting to doubt that the Nets will be able to snag the top seed in year one.
   6575. aberg Posted: August 29, 2019 at 02:28 PM (#5875355)
I saw Hawes out to breakfast a few months ago. He looked very thin.
   6576. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: August 29, 2019 at 04:52 PM (#5875399)
looks like zaza retired to work for the warriors

cousins has a warrant out for his arrest for dv.
   6577. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 30, 2019 at 03:41 AM (#5875491)
MDJ also promoted in the W's FO.
   6578. Booey Posted: August 30, 2019 at 12:32 PM (#5875626)
So here's the final list for that NBCSports Top 50 in 5 years list that jmurph started last week:

50. Cade Cunningham
49. Emoni Bates
48. Klay Thompson
47. Cole Anthony
46. Lonzo Ball
45. Brandon Ingram
44. Jarrett Allen
43. Victor Oladipo
42. CJ McCollum
41. R.J. Barrett
40. LeBron James
39. Marvin Bagley III
38. Gary Harris
37. James Wiseman
36. Aaron Gordon
35. Caris LeVert
34. Lauri Markkanen
33. Damian Lillard
32. Rudy Gobert
31. Stephen Curry
30. Paul George
29. Kevin Durant
28. D'Angelo Russell
27. Jaylen Brown
26. Myles Turner
25. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
24. John Collins
23. Kyrie Irving
22. Ja Morant
21. Deandre Ayton
20. Pascal Siakam
19. Kristaps Porzingis
18. James Harden
17. Bradley Beal
16. Jaren Jackson Jr
15. Jamal Murray
14. De'Aaron Fox
13. Devin Booker
12. Jayson Tatum
11. Joel Embiid
10. Trae Young
9. Ben Simmons
8. Donovan Mitchell
7. Karl-Anthony Towns
6. Kawhi Leonard
5. Zion Williamson
4. Nikola Jokic
3. Luka Doncic
2. Anthony Davis
1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
   6579. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2019 at 12:51 PM (#5875632)
Thanks for posting Booey, that's a fun list. I have no idea how I feel about it, but it's fun to think about. I like the boldness of putting LeBron and Curry and the like on it, though in that category I don't think I'd have PG or McCollum.
   6580. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: August 30, 2019 at 02:17 PM (#5875665)
The only thing I feel strongly about at first glance, is that Ben Simmons it too damn high.
   6581. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: August 30, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5875711)
I wouldn't have Durant on the list at all, and I feel that a 31 yr old Kawhi might be lower down the list.
   6582. spivey Posted: August 30, 2019 at 04:11 PM (#5875717)
If those are the 8th through 13th best players in the NBA in 5 years we will distinctly be out of the golden age of basketball.

On a related note, Embiid is too damn low and a whole bunch of other guys are too damn high.
   6583. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2019 at 04:17 PM (#5875720)
On a related note, Embiid is too damn low and a whole bunch of other guys are too damn high.

Yeah seems like Embiid will either be definitely top 5 or definitely perma-injured.
   6584. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 30, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5875721)
Yeah, that doesn't seem like an awesome list right now.

- I hope Paul George's body holds up well enough that he's on a top-30 list in 5 years, but I'm not optimistic.

- "21. Deandre Ayton" LOL

- There's a part of me that thinks Lebron will still be a top-25 player at 40, playing as a point-power forward.
   6585. jmurph Posted: August 30, 2019 at 04:28 PM (#5875723)
- "21. Deandre Ayton" LOL

I'd probably take him before I took a few guys higher than him (Porzingis, Booker, Murray).

But yeah, I also wouldn't have him that high.
   6586. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: August 30, 2019 at 09:42 PM (#5875810)
- There's a part of me that thinks Lebron will still be a top-25 player at 40, playing as a point-power forward.
i call that the andre iguodala
   6587. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: August 31, 2019 at 01:43 PM (#5875930)
Cousins: It was always a gamble, and we saw early just why.
Howard: There are three major issues with him that have wrecked his career:

1. His game was never based on skill, and he is not nearly the jock he once was.
2. In the 3-ruled modern NBA, what he still does no longer matters as much.
3. He has emotional and maturity issues.


But if he can play 15-20 min a game, split the 5 with McGee, and save Davis' body for the postseason, it might work. Howard's deal is bizarre--he is literally paid by the day. He makes $14,490 a day, starting Oct 21. They can cut him any time.

James is in Howard's age cohort, and can likely relate to him better than Nash/Kobe/Pau, three smart elder statesmen with personalities very different from Howard's moody goofball deal. Howard is basically the ONLY guy Nash played with whom he couldn't deal. So we will see.

If it doesn't work, there will likely be other analogous options--Gortat, Noah, GLeague hustlers.
   6588. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: September 01, 2019 at 12:26 AM (#5876061)
It may not seem like an awesome list, but keep in mind that variance will produce several players better than most of these guys' expected values. Many of the best players in the NBA, 5 years before they were top-5 players, looked like they'd be good but not great -- Curry, Harden, Giannis, Kawhi all fit that category. The top tier of players right now is probably those four guys and 2-3 guys who seemed destined for stardom -- Davis, Durant, and possibly LeBron (maybe he's in the top tier right now, maybe not). If you go down a tier you have a few guys like Irving, Embiid, and Towns who were destiny guys (modulo Embiid's injury questions of course), but then many more guys who weren't at all until they had a steep upward trajectory (George, Lillard, Jokic, Butler, Draymond, Gobert, Mitchell, Klay).

To put it another way here are the best players currently in the league drafted 10th or later from the 2010 to 2014 drafts (skimming, I may have missed some):

2014: Jokic (41)
2013: Giannis (15)
2012: Draymond (35)
2011: Butler (30)
2010: George (10)

Those drafts are the ones where guys are still in their prime, that is obviously a hell of a team (this would actually be an insanely fun team to watch on the court, there is plenty of playmaking despite the lack of a traditional PG, and it'd be hellacious defensively). It's likely that there will be SOME sleeper type players from the 2015-2019 drafts that end up being really really good, we just don't know which yet.

For instance, 2016 has Siakam, Brogdon, Sabonis, Jamal Murray, Hield, Jaylen Brown, Poeltl; if any one of those guys takes a *big* step forward, emphasis on big, they will be really really good, and I think one of them is likely to just because there are so many of them and other than Brogdon and Hield they're still really young. Could Siakam turn into Kawhi Leonard? Could Brogdon turn into Chauncey Billups? Could Sabonis turn into Tim Duncan? Could Murray turn into Russell Westbrook? Could Hield turn into Klay Thompson? Could Brown turn into Gothic Hammerstep? Could Poeltl turn into LaMarcus Aldridge? Obviously none of these is individually likely, but all of them are possible, and one of them will probably hit.
   6589. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: September 01, 2019 at 12:42 AM (#5876065)
[Somehow I missed Leonard from the 2011 draft -- point obviously remains.]
   6590. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: September 01, 2019 at 12:54 AM (#5876066)
That 2011 draft, btw... what a draft. Would make a great team:

Starters: Kyrie, Klay, Butler, Leonard, Vucevic
Bench: Kemba, Cory Joseph, Bojan Bogdanovic, Tobias Harris, Valanciunas, Kanter

This doesn't even include a couple dudes who were great early but whose stars have faded (Isaiah Thomas and Faried), the Morris twins, five guys who got huge contracts for some reason (Tristan Thompson, Reggie Jackson, Biyombo, Brandon Knight, and Parsons), another solid player who took his talents to Barceloneta Beach this offseason, and a number of other serviceable backups. That is an incredible draft.
   6591. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 01, 2019 at 01:03 PM (#5876093)
Mitchell finds himself in a sort of Goldilocks position among this Team USA roster: He is a lead offensive initiator who can approximate Kemba Walker’s slithery sleight of hand without giving up size on the other end; he also has the strength and length on defense of someone like Marcus Smart while being a much more reliable scorer from all levels of the floor.
One of only three true bigs on the roster, Turner has the ideal blend of athleticism, perimeter scoring ability, and defensive acumen to play with just about any lineup configuration Pop puts on the floor; Brook Lopez is too slow, Mason Plumlee too uncomfortable on the perimeter
i don't think this is meant to be shade, but...my god. "more athletic than brook lopez"? "a better scorer than marcus smart"?
   6592. tshipman Posted: September 01, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5876161)
Headline:
Team USA Finds Its Star (and Its Style) in Its First FIBA World Cup Game


Article:
Mitchell led all U.S. players in minutes with just over 25, and led the team in scoring with 16 points.


I didn't watch the game, but if scoring 16 points against a team whose only NBA guy is Tomas Satoransky is "stardom" than there are issues with this year's team.
   6593. smileyy Posted: September 01, 2019 at 09:28 PM (#5876227)
There are issues with this year's team.
   6594. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 03, 2019 at 09:36 AM (#5876392)
really impressive first half for team usa against what might be the toughest opponent from the eastern adriatic: up 6 vs. turkey.
   6595. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 03, 2019 at 09:43 AM (#5876394)
@ByJayKing
There's nothing like a Tuesday morning spent watching Team USA in an intense bout with Scottie Wilbekin, Semih Erden and Ersan Ilyasova.

@RedsArmy_John
Shades of last year's Celtics right now... play crisp, smart basketball, get a lead, feel pretty comfortable, relax and let the other team hang around.

Joe Vardon @joevardon
The Americans are 6-of-9 from 3-point range in Q1 here, lead Turkey 26-21
   6596. jmurph Posted: September 03, 2019 at 09:52 AM (#5876398)
I know complaining about espn.com is a fish in a barrel situation, but as far as I can tell there is no way to check the basketball score. The game currently being aired on ESPN+.

EDIT: In their "defense" there's like 9 different links to actually watch the game. But you know, I'm at work and all.
   6597. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: September 03, 2019 at 09:59 AM (#5876399)
I know complaining about espn.com is a fish in a barrel situation, but as far as I can tell there is no way to check the basketball score. The game currently being aired on ESPN+.

EDIT: In their "defense" there's like 9 different links to actually watch the game. But you know, I'm at work and all.


Google searching "FIBA" brings up the score for me. Seems to be updating.
   6598. jmurph Posted: September 03, 2019 at 10:14 AM (#5876407)
Yeah I found it elsewhere quickly, I was just baffled that I couldn't get it on the website of the company that owns the television rights to the games.
   6599. Fourth True Outcome Posted: September 03, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5876453)
There are issues with this year's team.

My take is assuredly colored by there being four Celtics on the team and I know USA Basketball was put in this position because the big fish all withdrew from consideration, but I'm really enjoying the US team not being head-and-shoulders better than the competition, especially in an off-year FIBA tournament. It's way more interesting for them to eke out a win over Turkey than it is to have the only question be margin of victory. I might well feel differently if this were the Olympics, but it sure isn't!
   6600. jmurph Posted: September 03, 2019 at 03:29 PM (#5876486)
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