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OT - NBA thread (Playoffs through off-season)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and this one only cares about the NBA thread and the Cubs so I have no idea what the rest of the website cares about.

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 16, 2019 at 02:18 PM | 6831 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   6801. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2019 at 11:38 AM (#5882566)
Who are the other potential teams of interest for Paul? I understand why Houston made the trade, but it doesn't change the fact that they had to attach two lightly protected 1sts and 2 pick swaps to his contract, and the guy they got in return also has a terrible contract. It stands to reason that Paul's deal isn't exactly seen as a great value by other teams in the league.
   6802. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 24, 2019 at 11:38 AM (#5882567)
i do think that MIA could be a good landing spot for iguodala, though. i'd also like to see him wind up with SAS or CHI or BOS.
   6803. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 24, 2019 at 11:43 AM (#5882571)
Who are the other potential teams of interest for Paul? I understand why Houston made the trade, but it doesn't change the fact that they had to attach two lightly protected 1sts and 2 pick swaps to his contract, and the guy they got in return also has a terrible contract. It stands to reason that Paul's deal isn't exactly seen as a great value by other teams in the league.
PHI, MIL, DEN, LAL, CHI, ORL, IND, MIN, CHO, DAL...


assuming that paul can stay healthy and play well for 2 months, at least 1/3 of the league would double their odds of winning another playoff series by replacing their current PG with C3P on december 15th.
   6804. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2019 at 11:47 AM (#5882576)
Very few of those teams could trade for Paul under existing salary cap rules.
   6805. JJ1986 Posted: September 24, 2019 at 11:56 AM (#5882582)
Paul's going to go a team in exchange for shorter bad contracts. Heat fit, so do the Hornets or the Knicks if they want him. Maybe the Pistons could swing it.
   6806. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2019 at 11:58 AM (#5882585)
Paul's going to go a team in exchange for shorter bad contracts.

Right. OKC presumably isn't interested in Wiggins, for example, who would have to be included for the Wolves to make it work. Or Bledsoe, for the Bucks. Or Rozier, for Charlotte, etc.

He will make 85.5 million american dollars in the two seasons following this one. It's an extremely difficult contract to trade, as Houston discovered. I don't think there are a ton of options that make sense for both parties.
   6807. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 24, 2019 at 12:06 PM (#5882589)
Paul's going to go a team in exchange for shorter bad contracts. Heat fit, so do the Hornets or the Knicks if they want him. Maybe the Pistons could swing it.
the NBA is wide open, and chris paul is a legitimate difference maker. if OKC wants to trade him for fine contracts, that just means it'll take a third team to get the deal done.
Very few of those teams could trade for Paul under existing salary cap rules.
free agent contracts that were signed this summer, can be traded on december 15th.
   6808. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 24, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5882590)
the NBA is wide open, and chris paul is a legitimate difference maker. if OKC wants to trade him for fine expiring contracts, that just means it'll take a third team to get the deal done.
   6809. JJ1986 Posted: September 24, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5882592)
   6810. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2019 at 12:13 PM (#5882595)
free agent contracts that were signed this summer, can be traded on december 15th.

I understand that. Instead of "could trade for Paul" I should have said "could reasonably trade for Paul." If you think, for instance, the Sixers are going to guarantee $136ish million to Paul/Richardson/Simmons/Horford/Embiid next year, I would disagree (this would also force you to believe that OKC would be willing to take back Tobias Harris's contract, which strikes me as a little difficult to believe).

   6811. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2019 at 12:16 PM (#5882597)
I did think Minnesota made some sense for Westbrook, but I'm not sure the Wolves (or their fans) would agree, so I guess Paul makes some kind of sense but less so, given his age. But again, I don't see why OKC would take back Wiggins or Dieng (in addition to Teague).
   6812. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 24, 2019 at 02:16 PM (#5882643)
I understand that. Instead of "could trade for Paul" I should have said "could reasonably trade for Paul." If you think, for instance, the Sixers are going to guarantee $136ish million to Paul/Richardson/Simmons/Horford/Embiid next year, I would disagree (this would also force you to believe that OKC would be willing to take back Tobias Harris's contract, which strikes me as a little difficult to believe).

god, i hate that ####### contract.

"tobias harris is our 4th best offensive option and has nearly no defensive value"
"cool, let's pay him 60MM more than dangelo russell, 100MM more than malcolm brogdon or bojan bogdanovic, 140MM more than patrick beverley and 150MM more than thad young, danny green and jeremy lamb."
"brilliant."
   6813. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 24, 2019 at 02:28 PM (#5882652)
If you think, for instance, the Sixers are going to guarantee $136ish million to Paul/Richardson/Simmons/Horford/Embiid next year, I would disagree
they already have that much guaranteed for simmonds/richardson/harris/horford/embiid

i think sixers ownership is willing to write a blank check at this point. the franchise is worth 5x what they paid for it 7 years ago, and it'll be more fun to shove "the process" in people's faces when there's a ring to leave an imprint on their forehead.
   6814. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5882655)
they already have that much guaranteed for simmonds/richardson/harris/horford/embiid

It would be about 8 million more to Paul, but fair enough I guess.
   6815. spivey Posted: September 24, 2019 at 02:45 PM (#5882657)
Tobias Harris future was settled when they traded all of that draft and young talent capital for him. In fact, if they didn't do that, does Kawhi even land on the Clippers? Probably, but maybe not, right?

But yes, it's easy to say that Brogdon and Danny Green for that money would be a way better use of resources. Would that have even been possible, though? I don't remember where they sat with the cap on if they truly could have given all of that Harris money to someone else.
   6816. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2019 at 02:46 PM (#5882658)
But yes, it's easy to say that Brogdon and Danny Green for that money would be a way better use of resources. Would that have even been possible, though? I don't remember where they sat with the cap on if they truly could have given all of that Harris money to someone else.

They gave their cap space to Horford and signed Harris with (whichever) rights they had to him, I think?
   6817. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: September 24, 2019 at 06:00 PM (#5882711)
Stipulating that your lineup includes Joel Embiid, Al Horford, Ben Simmons, and Josh Richardson, would you rather the 5th guy be Tobias Harris or Landry Shamet?
   6818. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 24, 2019 at 07:37 PM (#5882731)
They gave their cap space to Horford and signed Harris with (whichever) rights they had to him, I think?

harris had a ~20MM cap hold, so the sixers were "allowed" to go over the cap to keep him.

if they had signed thad young instead, they'd only have ~7MM left, rather than 20...but they'd also have a better player with a not godawful contract, so i'd have chosen to go in that direction. plus, with the remainder, they could have signed a shooter like garrett temple or reggie bullock or kyle singler.

   6819. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 24, 2019 at 07:37 PM (#5882732)
Stipulating that your lineup includes Joel Embiid, Al Horford, Ben Simmons, and Josh Richardson, would you rather the 5th guy be Tobias Harris or Landry Shamet?
assuming they both have 180MM contracts...too soon to tell.
   6820. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: September 25, 2019 at 11:25 AM (#5882911)
Dumb question: I'm looking for a site that looks at a player's stats when he is playing position X versus Y (yes, positions are kind of a false construct, I know) and have used them before but now I can't remember who has this... tips?

(The context is that I'm thinking about Jabari Parker, who everyone agrees should play the four -- only I think he's actually been more successful at the three?)
   6821. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 25, 2019 at 11:40 AM (#5882917)
After averaging career highs in several different categories -- including games, points, assists and rebounds -- what [Josh Richardson] did best goes beyond the box score. According to Second Spectrum research, opposing players shot 41.6 percent when Richardson was the closest defender, tied for fifth best among 100 players to defend at least 700 shots last season.

The only players with a lower percentage? Anthony Davis, Joel Embiid, Al Horford and Ben Simmons. -- Williams
   6822. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: September 25, 2019 at 02:46 PM (#5882984)
   6823. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: September 25, 2019 at 05:09 PM (#5883039)
rockets sign ryan anderson (the more famous one), partial guarantee
   6824. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: September 25, 2019 at 05:36 PM (#5883055)
   6825. If on a winter's night a new father Posted: September 25, 2019 at 05:55 PM (#5883066)
FINALLY, some progress on the scourge of tampering.
   6826. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: September 25, 2019 at 06:36 PM (#5883089)
It's probably about time for a new thread, right? Or do we want to talk about Kyrie's facial fracture in this thread?
   6827. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 25, 2019 at 07:34 PM (#5883102)
Fultz shoots like a fifth grader.
   6828. Harlond Posted: September 26, 2019 at 08:34 AM (#5883219)
It's hard to believe teams have had two years to work on Fultz's shot and it looks that bad. Good news for Greg Oden maybe.
   6829. jmurph Posted: September 26, 2019 at 09:13 AM (#5883230)
It's probably about time for a new thread, right?

Probably. The first preseason game is October 1st!
   6830. jmurph Posted: September 26, 2019 at 09:43 AM (#5883242)
Hmm, actually September 30. The article I saw that in was using a non-US time zone.
   6831. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: September 26, 2019 at 09:59 AM (#5883245)
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