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Thursday, October 24, 2019

OT - NBA Thread, Start of the 2019-2020 Season

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and we’re the only people that matter.

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 24, 2019 at 02:42 PM | 793 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. jmurph Posted: October 24, 2019 at 02:56 PM (#5894045)
Link to previous thread.
   2. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 24, 2019 at 03:09 PM (#5894048)
why did kemba have a disappointing debut last night? it probably owed a lot to this:


@jackfrank_jjf
Matisse Thybulle's best defensive plays of the night:
https://twitter.com/jackfrank_jjf/status/1187220012123086858
   3. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 24, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5894052)
DSPN:

Thybulle approaches the work of defense like setting up an ambush. He regularly gives up an unusual amount of space, or at least appears to do so, in order to bait a ballhandler into making the wrong pass. Once he successfully manipulates opponents into playing his game, he can use his 7-foot-1 wingspan and excellent instincts. It worked in college, and clearly it works in the NBA.

Now here’s the scary part: Thybulle is maybe Philadelphia’s fourth-best defender.
no, here's the scary part: thybulle is already more than the sixers' 4th best defender, and he's only played one game.

One of the benefits of having someone like Horford behind Embiid is that it allows Embiid to get more aggressive and close out the three-point line, rather than worry about his man blowing by him. That’s part of Udoka’s “corral blitz” scheme, and why Embiid posted a defensive rating of 72.5 in the victory.
   4. jmurph Posted: October 24, 2019 at 05:00 PM (#5894099)
Marc J. Spears @MarcJSpearsESPN
Kings say forward Marvin Bagley III has a non-displaced fracture (right thumb) sustained during Wednesday’s game vs. Phoenix. Bagley is expected to miss 4-6 weeks.
   5. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 24, 2019 at 09:05 PM (#5894201)
Another player born too soon: Andrei Kirilenko.
   6. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 24, 2019 at 09:08 PM (#5894203)
Also it sucks when the only stream available on NBA TV is the TNT one, because then the in-arena package has no sound. Dammit, I need to know if Quick Change has changed their entry music!
   7. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: October 24, 2019 at 09:12 PM (#5894208)
Ayton might be suspended for 25 games, for what they're calling accidental ingestion of a diuretic.
   8. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 24, 2019 at 09:22 PM (#5894215)
So, for some reason, I thought Capela had asthma.
   9. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 24, 2019 at 09:40 PM (#5894219)
I made a Wolves-specific prediction contest for a few of my friends. If anyone here wants to participate, here are the questions:

1. Top 3 finishers in total minutes played (5 points each)


Towns, Wiggins, Layman

2. Total wins (10 points for exact, subtract 1 for each game off)


37

3. Will Towns make an All-NBA team, y/n (10 points).


yes

4. Total team 3PA, o/u 2850 (10 points).


3100

5. Andrew Wiggins o/u: FG% .435 and o/u ppg 19.4 (5 points each- need 2 answers).


under/under

6. Jeff Teague games started for Minnesota (10 points for exact, subtract 1 for each game off).


34 (trade)

7. League rank in Defensive Rating (10 points for exact, subtract 1 for each rank off)


24

8. Josh Okogie made 3s: 0-50; 51-80; 81-110; 111+ (5 points).


87

9. Who will finish the year with the most points: Jake Layman, Noah Vonleh, Jordan Bell, Shabazz Napier, Treveon Graham (5 points).


Layman

10. Robert Covington o/u total steals+blocks 185 (5 points).


over

11. Will the team acquire a player during the season who makes >$10mm in 19/20 y/n? (5 points)


Yes

12. Will Jarret Culver make All-Rookie first team, y/n? (5 points)


No

13. Tiebreaker: Full season per game point differential (points scored – points allowed/g).


-3.3
   10. Tin Angel Posted: October 24, 2019 at 10:21 PM (#5894234)
Westbrook getting more shots than Harden is...interesting.
   11. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 24, 2019 at 10:32 PM (#5894236)
So, for some reason, I thought Capela had asthma.
faried has asthma. i want to say...i think noah vonleh may also have asthma. villanueva had pellagra. steve kerr had vitiligo. magic had HPV. of course, joel embiid has ebolatitus B, C and H.
Ayton might be suspended for 25 games, for what they're calling accidental ingestion of a diuretic.
best shape of his life?

for anyone who may be unaware (on this site? hah.), many diuretics are banned because they can be used as masking agents, flushing performance enhancing drugs out of someone's blood and/or urine stream before a piss and/or prick test.

   12. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 24, 2019 at 10:35 PM (#5894239)
The Hoops Rumors post quotes some NBAPA chatter about sending Ayton's case to arbitration, because they claim with some justice that it's an "accidental ingestion".
   13. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 24, 2019 at 10:38 PM (#5894241)
I was only half-watching Rockets-Bucks, but that butchering in the 4th quarter felt like:
1. Giannis does what he wants, and no one can stop him, and
2. sooner or later, Harden and Westbrook are going to fight.
   14. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: October 24, 2019 at 11:02 PM (#5894253)
for anyone who may be unaware (on this site? hah.), many diuretics are banned because they can be used as masking agents, flushing performance enhancing drugs out of someone's blood and/or urine stream before a piss and/or prick test.

it's great how much random stuff approaching medical knowledge you learn from closely following sports. A co-worker today was describing a procedure her dad is having done and as she described it I was like, "oh, right, platelet rich plasma," and she could not fathom how I knew about it.
   15. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: October 25, 2019 at 11:20 AM (#5894405)
[14] My wife is always amazed at how willing I am to self-diagnose any of my physical aches and pains based off of sports knowledge.
   16. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: October 25, 2019 at 11:24 AM (#5894408)
I was legit surprised Bucks did not fall apart after Giannis fouled out. And Wes Mathews was non-terrible which is another shocker. But maybe when he has 30 games on him the legs go and then he is the guy who others say is washed?
   17. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 25, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5894440)
I was legit surprised Bucks did not fall apart after Giannis fouled out. And Wes Mathews was non-terrible which is another shocker. But maybe when he has 30 games on him the legs go and then he is the guy who others say is washed?

Same. I was just coming here to post that. It was a very good stretch for the Bucks to eliminate the deficit and then maintain the lead after Giannis* fouled out.

*Was it just me, or didn't it sound like Chris Webber was saying "Anthony Cooper" every time he pronounced Giannis's last name?
   18. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 25, 2019 at 11:57 AM (#5894446)
Was it just me, or didn't it sound like Chris Webber was saying "Anthony Cooper" every time he pronounced Giannis's last name?

I hadn't ever really realized how bad Webber is on TV. I normally watch the local feeds, so I'm always surprised when I catch the national broadcasts.
   19. jmurph Posted: October 25, 2019 at 12:14 PM (#5894458)
Webber's basic approach is: what if bad, but also a lot?

I don't love it.
   20. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 25, 2019 at 02:44 PM (#5894547)
Webber's basic approach is: what if bad, but also a lot?
he's stealing my gimmick???

trade machine: who says no?

PHI: karl towns, andrew wiggins, robert covington
MIN: joel embiid, tobias harris, zhaire smith
   21. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 25, 2019 at 03:17 PM (#5894566)
PHI: karl towns, andrew wiggins, robert covington
MIN: joel embiid, tobias harris, zhaire smith
When did you decide to hate the Sixers?
   22. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 25, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5894582)
When did you decide to hate the Sixers?
heh.

the way i see it, towns is more durable than embiid, so while that swap lowers the sixers' ceiling, it also significantly raises their floor. also, pairing towns with horford takes some defensive responsibility off of towns' shoulders.

harris and wiggins are roughly comparable, imo. harris is a less disastrous player, but he also has 1 year/60 million more on his contract, which is substantially more disastrous. also, the biggest "advantage" that wiggins has over harris is being a selfish chucker, which is a "skill" that the sixers kind of need right now.

adding covington to a wing rotation that also includes josh richardson, matisse thybulle and ben simmons is a pretty good way to make up for many of wiggins' other deficiencies. with this rotation, wiggins will never intentionally guard an opponent's first, second or third scoring option.

figure the starters would be:
simmons / richardson / wiggins / horford / towns

the main bench would include:
thybulle, covington, mike scott and the sixer's big, sweaty KOQ.


that lineup is still overwhelmingly large and highly skilled.
the floor for that roster is higher on both ends of the floor, due to the offloading of embiid's injury magnetism.
their defensive ceiling would be lower, but...
the offensive ceiling is higher due to towns' and covington's floor spacing (and again wiggins' ability to create his own shot is something this roster kind of needs).



also, i think it's funny.
   23. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: October 25, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5894584)
Did you guys know Jabari Parker is on the Hawks now? 18 points (and 1 rebound, 0 assists) in Game #1.

   24. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 25, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5894587)
Did you guys know Jabari Parker is on the Hawks now? 18 points (and 1 rebound, 0 assists) in Game #1.

fun fact:
there were two players drafted above joel embiid in the 2014 NBA draft.
   25. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: October 25, 2019 at 04:01 PM (#5894602)
I came here to post #23 almost verbatim.
   26. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: October 25, 2019 at 04:04 PM (#5894603)
Did Parker have a chance to be an ok defender before the knee injuries?
   27. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: October 25, 2019 at 04:10 PM (#5894606)
Hard to say, he was not that svelte during his year at Duke. Was Boris Diaw ever a good defender, because that's the body type he was heading for.
   28. DCA Posted: October 25, 2019 at 04:18 PM (#5894611)
harris and wiggins are roughly comparable, imo.

No. Harris is a good player, but overpaid. Wiggins is not a good player. Over the next 4 years, Harris is being paid $4-$5m more than Wiggins. Any team with Wiggins should pay twice that to upgrade to Harris.

Then you have Harris for $41m for one year. You can hope that only costs you a bunch of tax money, but it's probably mostly tradeable if you throw in enough picks.
   29. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 25, 2019 at 04:27 PM (#5894613)
harris and wiggins are roughly comparable, imo.

I wish Elton Brand agreed with you.
   30. aberg Posted: October 25, 2019 at 04:47 PM (#5894621)
No. Harris is a good player, but overpaid. Wiggins is not a good player. Over the next 4 years, Harris is being paid $4-$5m more than Wiggins. Any team with Wiggins should pay twice that to upgrade to Harris.


Shhhh. We're like 2/3 of the way to talking him into Wiggins for Harris straight up.
   31. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: October 25, 2019 at 04:55 PM (#5894624)
I don't think Jabari's defensive struggles were ever about his body, he just is clueless. He has none of whatever quick pattern recognition you need to be able to diagnose where to be on defense. You could see it on offense too-- Giannis would get annoyed with him for being in weird spots on the floor. He has a lot of basketball skill but never fit in with what the Bucks were trying to do on either side of the court.*

*which, to be fair, under Jason Kidd didn't make a lot of sense anyway.
   32. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 25, 2019 at 05:48 PM (#5894659)
Shhhh. We're like 2/3 of the way to talking him into Wiggins for Harris straight up.
uh...i'm already just about there.
Harris is a good player, but overpaid. Wiggins is not a good player.
i agree with two of those things. harris isn't good; he's just benignly mediocre.

and for what it's worth, wiggins' career net on-off rating is +3.
   33. If on a winter's night a new father Posted: October 25, 2019 at 06:31 PM (#5894677)
wiggins' career net on-off rating is +3
Weighted by career minutes played on Timberwolves rosters containing Wiggins, what do you reckon his average non-Towns teammate RAPM is? Or WAR, or net rating, or just about any summary statistic that makes even a cursory attempt to include defense.
   34. aberg Posted: October 25, 2019 at 07:16 PM (#5894691)
My new plan for Wiggins is to treat him like a high school kid and make him do 500 pushups every time he attempts a 2 outside the paint.
   35. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 25, 2019 at 07:26 PM (#5894694)
Weighted by career minutes played on Timberwolves rosters containing Wiggins, what do you reckon his average non-Towns teammate RAPM is? Or WAR, or net rating, or just about any summary statistic that makes even a cursory attempt to include defense.

assuming he's swapped for tharris, his new teammates would be embiid, horford, richardson and simmons, and my guess is their RAPMs and WAR and net ratings (and so on) will be pretty decent.
My new plan for Wiggins is to treat him like a high school kid and make him do 500 pushups every time he attempts a 2 outside the paint.
shoulda hired boylen.
   36. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: October 25, 2019 at 07:43 PM (#5894698)
Speaking of Wiggins:
https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1187870377244086272

It's beautiful in its own way.
   37. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 25, 2019 at 07:45 PM (#5894699)
God almighty.
   38. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 25, 2019 at 07:47 PM (#5894700)
God almighty.
bored man got paid.
   39. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: October 25, 2019 at 08:17 PM (#5894713)
It's funny, because I think that beauty really is responsible for Wiggins' contract. If that shot goes in -- which it does sometimes! -- the sequence looks like a work of art. The conflation of beauty with basketball value leads organizations and not-stat-inclined fans to draw wrong conclusions about how good players are. (Kobe, while obviously a much better player than Wiggins, is another example of this, along with Nash, and many others.)
   40. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 25, 2019 at 08:50 PM (#5894728)
bored man got paid.

I just want to call out the utter brilliance of this post. It is a tiny, perfect gem.
   41. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 25, 2019 at 08:51 PM (#5894729)
Bismack Biyambo sighting!
   42. jmurph Posted: October 25, 2019 at 09:00 PM (#5894736)
Just the 17-34 from three for Toronto so far. I think that’s super. Just delightful.
   43. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: October 25, 2019 at 09:17 PM (#5894745)
I still wonder if Washington would do Wiggins for Wall (who presumably won't play and in fact is probably finished--but the trade would still make Minnesota better just by removing Wiggins). I wonder if Minnesota has at least called them about it.
   44. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 25, 2019 at 09:21 PM (#5894747)
I still wonder if Washington would do Wiggins for Wall (who presumably won't play and in fact is probably finished--but the trade would still make Minnesota better just by removing Wiggins). I wonder if Minnesota has at least called them about it.

I've thought about this, too. Like, I bet Washington is just hoping for an injury retirement at this point, right?
   45. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 25, 2019 at 09:29 PM (#5894753)
Towns beasting again: 37/15/8
   46. jmurph Posted: October 25, 2019 at 09:35 PM (#5894758)
Nice comeback win from the Celtics.

Early returns on my OKC enthusiasm not looking great.
   47. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 25, 2019 at 09:50 PM (#5894765)
OK, I'm watching the Nuggets broadcast, and apparently there is some dispute between their regional sports network and the carriers, and they are going into it in excruciating detail.
   48. jmurph Posted: October 25, 2019 at 10:04 PM (#5894774)
Yeah apparently not a single carrier in Denver is showing the games, saw reference to that on twitter earlier.

In other games, the new Nets court is outstanding, I love it.
   49. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 25, 2019 at 10:04 PM (#5894775)
Frank Kaminsky is on my TV! What are the hell?
   50. puck Posted: October 25, 2019 at 10:35 PM (#5894790)
Kroenke sports owns the Nuggets and Avalanche, and Altitude Sports, a local RSN. Comcast, Dish and DirecTV are all in a carriage dispute with Altitude. The Avs have already played 9 games.
   51. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 25, 2019 at 11:50 PM (#5894831)
I still wonder if Washington would do Wiggins for Wall (who presumably won't play and in fact is probably finished--but the trade would still make Minnesota better just by removing Wiggins). I wonder if Minnesota has at least called them about it.
nah; MIN thinks wiggins is good.
I've thought about this, too. Like, I bet Washington is just hoping for an injury retirement at this point, right?
nah; WAS thinks wall is still good.

In other games, the new Nets court is outstanding, I love it.
have you seen the highlights from directional michigan vs. directional michigan? it looked like a deleted scene from schindler's list.
   52. tshipman Posted: October 26, 2019 at 01:52 AM (#5894846)
Is Emmanuel Mudiay good now or something?
   53. Booey Posted: October 26, 2019 at 01:59 AM (#5894847)
#52 - He better be, cuz apparently Mike Conley isn't.

(Note: I don't really think either of those things are true)
   54. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: October 26, 2019 at 02:40 AM (#5894849)
I don't think Mudiay was actually any good tonight anyway. He made a bunch of really stupid unforced turnovers.

The first half was one of the worst halves I've watched. At least the Lakers actually played like a real NBA team in the 2nd half, helped a lot by going with Lebron/Davis at the 4/5. The one positive so far for the Jaaz is that Donovan has been excellent and efficient. Conley just looks off mentally, so I'm not worried. Ingles has not really been noticeable at all in either game, which I am a bit concerned about.
   55. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 26, 2019 at 12:58 PM (#5894884)
Coby White appears to be good.
   56. Fourth True Outcome Posted: October 26, 2019 at 01:55 PM (#5894896)
Grant Williams played well as an undersized 5 last night, guarding Marc Gasol down the stretch in the Cs win. I had hoped he would be able to play like PJ Tucker eventually, so that is a welcome early signal. If he's not a liability defensively it really helps them with lineup options.
   57. puck Posted: October 26, 2019 at 03:39 PM (#5894922)
That Nuggets game was horrendous, btw. It was the home opener so the Nuggets' broadcaster bought time on a local station to air it.

The Nuggets kept trying to give the game away but the Suns wouldn't oblige. The Nuggets were up 3 with 5 seconds left, Suns ball, both teams out of time outs. Suns inbounded to Rubio in the backcourt, Beasley inexplicably fouled Rubio on a half court shot. Rubio sank all 3 to force the OT.

Nuggets pulled it out in OT but dang. They didn't look great vs Portland either but went 18-32 on 3's.
   58. JJ1986 Posted: October 26, 2019 at 04:18 PM (#5894931)
Hasheem Thabeet was taken in the G League draft today.
   59. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: October 26, 2019 at 04:21 PM (#5894933)
Knicks thoughts 2 games in:

RJ Barrett has been good. He's not very explosive and he has absolutely no right hand (Kyrie was able to read him going back to his left on a paly last night and stripped him in embarassing fashion), but he's strong and he tries hard and thus far that's been enough. He's also been fairly active on the defensive end, which is nice for a rookie.

Kevin Knox looks much improved. I'd love if Fizdale gave him more minutes.

DSJ is godawwful. All the wrong instincts, all the time.

Overall, this has to be the least athletic young team of all time. A lot of beneath the basket plays at the rim.
   60. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: October 26, 2019 at 05:43 PM (#5894937)
Middleton 3-3 on 3s after being terrible against Houston. RLo definitely going to beat his career high on putting up 3s.
   61. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: October 26, 2019 at 06:00 PM (#5894939)
Giannis’ passing looks much improved. Felt like a lot of his assists last year were easy reads and part of why he ran into trouble against Toronto was that they exposed that he couldn’t accurately get the ball to difficult spots. He looks much better at that already.
   62. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 26, 2019 at 07:21 PM (#5894946)
i find it amusing that jonah bolden and zhaire smith are not even dressing right now for the sixers, while they could have been playing 30+ MPG just three years ago.
   63. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 26, 2019 at 07:41 PM (#5894952)
i find it amusing that jonah bolden and zhaire smith are not even dressing right now for the sixers, while they could have been playing 30+ MPG just three years ago.
man, tanking was so much less stressful...you know, except for brett brown, who's aged like one of the first 44 presidents, and sam hinkie, who aged like prisoner of war.
   64. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 26, 2019 at 07:46 PM (#5894953)
Dang, don't let Justise Winslow be your guy in the clutch.
   65. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 26, 2019 at 09:52 PM (#5895028)
the sixers did not deserve to win that game. to be fair, neither did DET, but noone cares about the pistons. tharris had a very wiggins-esque 29 and 7, on 10/15 shooting. the sixers somehow made 13 3s. matisse thybulle missed every shot, had 4 turnovers and did this; he's incredible.


"center city" didn't work out as a nickname after colangelo hit self-destruct on the depth chart, but i think "big east" has some potential.
   66. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: October 26, 2019 at 10:46 PM (#5895065)
Bertans has 23 on 7 shots in a revenge game v SA tonight (tied late)
   67. tshipman Posted: October 26, 2019 at 10:52 PM (#5895070)
Bertans has 23 on 7 shots in a revenge game v SA tonight (tied late)


Hachimura is way better than I expected in the early part of the year.

Maybe the best rookie so far? Him and PJ Washington have both surprised pleasantly.
   68. If on a winter's night a new father Posted: October 27, 2019 at 02:23 AM (#5895103)
matisse thybulle missed every shot, had 4 turnovers and did this; he's incredible
I was really frustrated when thee Celtics traded away the Thybulle pick, though Thigh Bull has looked like a player (and a better fit) so far. Thybulle and Smart would be an absolute Heironymous Bosch painting of a backcourt.

RJ Barrett has been good. He's not very explosive and he has absolutely no right hand (Kyrie was able to read him going back to his left on a paly last night and stripped him in embarassing fashion), but he's strong and he tries hard and thus far that's been enough. He's also been fairly active on the defensive end, which is nice for a rookie.
All of this continued through the Celtics game tonight. No idea what his ceiling is yet, but the kid looks good.

Grant Williams played well
I think I like this guy more than any rookie the Celtics have had since Smart (non-Tatum division). He's just reads the floor so fast (cognitive speed is my second favorite kind of athleticism behind huge dunks) and so well on both ends, he's strong as an ox, and he hustles his ass off.
   69. If on a winter's night a new father Posted: October 27, 2019 at 02:46 AM (#5895104)
Don't look now, but Tacko Fall is averaging 48 points and 36 rebounds per 36 minutes.
   70. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: October 27, 2019 at 04:51 AM (#5895107)
I for one welcome our new tortilla-based overlords.
   71. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: October 27, 2019 at 05:58 AM (#5895108)
   72. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 27, 2019 at 12:00 PM (#5895123)
[71] is glorious. Just ... glorious.
   73. Mirabelli Dictu (Chris McClinch) Posted: October 27, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5895140)
Josh Hart's reaction is gold.
   74. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: October 27, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5895164)
I've watched the Harden/Hart clip so many times already, as well as this Mitchell and Ingles clip:

https://twitter.com/monilogue/status/1188281941499338752?s=19&fbclid=IwAR0PKXQJ_KTJqzL5uWSi20Fo0BX0D4rPXmii8sZwVyD9dQRAATelpTS0ueI

Basketball in the groin! Basketball in the groin!
   75. Booey Posted: October 27, 2019 at 03:47 PM (#5895167)
Both those clips better make it onto Shaqtin a Fool...
   76. Tin Angel Posted: October 27, 2019 at 05:31 PM (#5895187)
That didn't take long...people on the Warriors SB Nation site already talking draft picks.
   77. tshipman Posted: October 27, 2019 at 05:32 PM (#5895188)
Warriors losing by 40 in OKC. Some of that is 3p variance, but they'd be losing by 25 even with even luck.

The Russell signing is just disastrous.
   78. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 27, 2019 at 05:39 PM (#5895191)
Warriors losing by 40 in OKC. Some of that is 3p variance, but they'd be losing by 25 even with even luck.

The Russell signing is just disastrous.
right. i'm sure it has nothing to do with losing durant and klay, with iguodala and livingston aging into irrelevance, with draymond becoming a caricature of himself, with their big man rotation blowing up, with curry shooting 4/20 from beyond the arc through 2 games.

no, it's all just dangelo's fault, right.
   79. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: October 27, 2019 at 05:52 PM (#5895193)
Totally agree on Rui - he was a polarizing prospect and I was at the other pole.
Also, I’ve long been curious to see how DB would do as a three vs. at the four - early results are mixed but not bad.
—-
GS:
1) Russell: I think an adjustment period should be expected here. Also, he’s gonna be a problem defensively at the two.
2) I don’t know if I ever gave my opinion of that signing? Uh, I got it but think it’s likely an overlay and the fit is bad. Now flip him to Minny or whatever and I’m curious.
3) See my rant about the small stuff from the other day.
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Winslow/clutch: agree but who should it be sans Butler? I guess I’d go hot hand / mismatch but that’s tough in clutch time. Olynyk might be good here. Nunn can fill it up but he’s real new to this level (also, unrelated, f that guy) and Herro is a rook. Adebayo?
   80. tshipman Posted: October 27, 2019 at 08:08 PM (#5895222)
right. i'm sure it has nothing to do with losing durant and klay, with iguodala and livingston aging into irrelevance, with draymond becoming a caricature of himself, with their big man rotation blowing up, with curry shooting 4/20 from beyond the arc through 2 games.

no, it's all just dangelo's fault, right.


They are so thin because the Russell signing hard capped them and required them to trade Iguodala.

They needed Russell to be a star, and he's been predictably mediocre. It's an awful signing.
   81. jmurph Posted: October 27, 2019 at 09:20 PM (#5895238)
Wiggins just drilled three straight threes late in a (previously) tied game.

Pretty standard.
   82. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: October 27, 2019 at 09:32 PM (#5895247)
Towns now has fewer points than minuted played. What a bum.
   83. Howie Menckel Posted: October 27, 2019 at 09:35 PM (#5895251)
on a lark, I took the Blazers at over 46.5 wins this year.

how dumb (or, less likely, smart) am I?
   84. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 27, 2019 at 10:36 PM (#5895284)
They are so thin because the Russell signing hard capped them and required them to trade Iguodala.

They needed Russell to be a star, and he's been predictably mediocre. It's an awful signing.
no. they're paying steph, klay and draymond 90MM; add in iguodala, and they're already over the cap, meaning they'd only have room for an MLE signing.

if you want to argue that iguodala and some rando would be better than dangelo, go for it, but you're wrong.


we knew this year was going to be a grind for GSW, and it has nothing to do with dangelo. they lost durant; they lost klay (temporarily...maybe); they lost cousins, iguodala, livingston, jerebko and bogut.


they're playing glenn robinson, damion lee and a bunch of random 22 year olds. sure, dangelo isn't blowing the lid off, but there are a lot of other issues and they're not his fault.
   85. Tin Angel Posted: October 27, 2019 at 10:41 PM (#5895292)
Agree as usual with Stiggles. Speaking of which, Russell + Chriss + Robinson III for Embiid makes a lot of sense for both teams.
   86. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 27, 2019 at 11:02 PM (#5895304)
Agree as usual with Stiggles
i do believe that's the first time that sentiment has been communicated on this board. or anywhere else, for that matter.

Speaking of which, Russell + Chriss + Robinson III for Embiid makes a lot of sense for both teams
swap out embiid for tharris, and i'd take it and run.
   87. aberg Posted: October 27, 2019 at 11:09 PM (#5895307)
There's a persistent rumor of DLo for Covington and salary. I don't particularly like that.
   88. tshipman Posted: October 27, 2019 at 11:24 PM (#5895322)
no. they're paying steph, klay and draymond 90MM; add in iguodala, and they're already over the cap, meaning they'd only have room for an MLE signing.

if you want to argue that iguodala and some rando would be better than dangelo, go for it, but you're wrong.


Easily. Russell is not very good, while Iguodala is!

"Some rando" is a large pool. It could be something like Bertans (who was traded in a salary dump), or Derrick Rose (who signed for the MLE).

However, it's more than "some rando". Because of the Russell signing, the Warriors couldn't sign even very many veteran FAs to the minimum. They gave away useful players like Graham, Napier, and McKinnie because of their cost issues.
   89. JJ1986 Posted: October 27, 2019 at 11:41 PM (#5895328)
If they were spending money, the Dubs also could have used Shaun Livingston's contract (plus maybe the two draft picks they gave away and the cash they threw out) to add another useful piece.
   90. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: October 28, 2019 at 12:36 AM (#5895330)
I'm not really a DLo extremist on either side relative to this board (like, I think it was bad, but not catastrophic), but... the one thing I'm sure of is that using two games as any sort of evidence that anyone was right about anything is not very compelling. Like, Phoenix and Atlanta are leading the league in scoring margin!
   91. jmurph Posted: October 28, 2019 at 09:37 AM (#5895356)
but... the one thing I'm sure of is that using two games as any sort of evidence that anyone was right about anything is not very compelling. Like, Phoenix and Atlanta are leading the league in scoring margin!

But three games is fine, right? Because I'm pretty sure the Wolves are indeed going undefeated this year.
   92. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 28, 2019 at 10:14 AM (#5895375)
If Towns maintains that stat line, it's going to take a heroic Wiggins effort to keep the Wolves from being interesting. I believe in Andrew, though.
   93. aberg Posted: October 28, 2019 at 12:20 PM (#5895430)
The Wolves being 3-0 has been very fun, but they haven't really beaten anybody. Winning @BKN in the opener was the best win, and they're viewed as a lower-tier playoff team in the weaker eastern conference. Beating them with Kyrie going nuts is worth something, but he went nuts because neither Teague nor Napier could do anything to bother him. Teague, especially, looks unplayably slow on defense. They beat a Charlotte team that put forth absolutely zero effort, and a Miami team without Butler playing (or Waiters or Johnson, but whatever). The Heat were also on a b2b.

Towns has been outrageously good. He's shooting 52% on 10 3pa/g. His defense has been solid. He's passing better than he has in the past. He's playing like an MVP candidate.

The rest of the team is shooting under 30% on 3s and is 6th in the league in 3par. Jake Layman at 6/16 is the only other individual over 30%. Wiggins was 1/14 before he drained those 3 in a row against Miami to win the game. Napier has been a very active backup- lots of good (super aggressive, getting shots up, creating good looks, but also turning it over and getting out of position on defense). Graham and Okogie are both poorer versions of Covington- tenacious defenders who work their assess off and can't really shoot. Maybe that will get better. Vonleh has been a nice backup C, though a little undersized against bigger 5s. Culver has been a non-entity so far.

While KAT can't shoot like this all year, the rest of the team will shoot better. If they keep getting 40+ 3Pa per game, I think they'll get up to 32-34%. They're 5th in ORTG now without playing any really good defenses. I think they can maintain top 10. They're 14th in DRTG. While they have been more active and the scheme has been more straightforward, they're still not doing a good job getting shooters off the 3pt line and they lose guys getting to the rim too often. They probably have the personnel to get out of the bottom 10 defensively, but not the habits yet. Kyrie, Devonte Graham, and Kendrick Nunn all torched them, and they'll play many scoring guards a lot better than those last 2.

Oh, and Wiggins. He still hasn't been particularly efficient, but there's one promising thing. % of shots between 10' out to the 3pt line by year: 15- 39%, 16- 37%, 17- 39%, 18- 33%, 19- 30%, 20- 17%.

I think I pegged them for 35 wins before the year. I'd probably bump that up to 37 or 38, mostly due to money in the bank, but not a huge change.

   94. jmurph Posted: October 28, 2019 at 12:35 PM (#5895435)
Culver has been a non-entity so far.

Nate Duncan has been hammering them on twitter for taking him over Coby White. Obviously way too early for such things, but a lot of people shared that opinion at the time.
   95. Moeball Posted: October 28, 2019 at 12:45 PM (#5895439)
Re:GS - we knew Steph would be exposed without Klay out there defensively, but this has been really bad so far. There is no team defense at all and this is going to continue to be a problem. This isn't only an adjustment period. This is a bad team.
   96. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 28, 2019 at 12:46 PM (#5895440)
I shared that opinion at the time (About Coby White). They need a PG of the future. Still.

But the past is the past, and Culver still (obviously) has plenty of time to prove me very wrong.
   97. aberg Posted: October 28, 2019 at 12:51 PM (#5895441)
I shared that opinion at the time (About Coby White). They need a PG of the future. Still.

But the past is the past, and Culver still (obviously) has plenty of time to prove me very wrong.


Most draftniks had Culver ahead of White at the time. I liked both and preferred Culver. I've been surprised how physically un-imposing he has looked so far. White also just had a 3/14 game, so he's not perfect either. I'm not a fan of drafting for need that early. I also think the FO is going to be ultra aggressive in finding a PG for the future.
   98. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: October 28, 2019 at 01:00 PM (#5895445)
Towns: He is currently sporting a 40.5 PER.
Russell: His TS is .468 and his PER is 10.6. Obviously, those numbers will go up. But I also think 95 makes a good point. Going from Thompson to Russell is a huge downgrade on D, and the loss of Iguodala and some other vet guys is likely hurting the team D. GS is 30th in DRTG, and they may be a bottom-10 team in D even with Green.
Lakers: They have been exactly what I expected, with the exception that Howard has looked better than I thought he would. I was hoping the George injury would allow them to get out at 3-0, but the Clippers played well in the first game.
PHX and SAC: I was pretty negative about both rosters, but so far it looks like I was wrong on PHX.
The "Lakers young core" teams: GS, NYK, and NO—are 0-8. Russell has been dreadful in his first two games in GS, and as noted they are 30th in DRTG. Randle has started slowly. Ingram, Ball, and Hart, especially Ingram, have all been very good, even though NO is 0-3. Zubac has 32.4 PER for the Clippers, but like most old-school bigs, he is a spot player, averaging 14 MPG.
   99. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: October 28, 2019 at 01:02 PM (#5895446)
there are only 5 undefeated teams left in the NBA.
   100. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: October 28, 2019 at 01:03 PM (#5895447)
I very much do not want the Wolves to trade for Russell.
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