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Friday, September 27, 2013

OT: NBC.news: Valve isn’t making one gaming console, but multiple ‘Steam machines’

Valve therefore left open the possibility that whatever Steam Machines eventually make it to market next year could either be first- or third-party hardware. The company is putting out invitations for 300 Steam users to participate in a beta test they must qualify for by completing an “eligibility quest” that involves familiarizing themselves with Steam’s current features.

The other gaming thread died. Here’s a new one for those interested. I figured Steam looking for Beta Testers made for a good lead-in.

Happy Gaming!

Poster Nutbag Posted: September 27, 2013 at 05:34 PM | 1340 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   401. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 31, 2013 at 11:34 AM (#4627119)
Flippy-flop
   402. Greg K Posted: December 31, 2013 at 11:41 AM (#4627127)
Working my way through the Walking Dead Telltale game.

Might be the first time I had an emotional response to a character dying in a video game. Narratively anyway...obviously I've cried over X-Com's permadeath several times, but who hasn't?
   403. hokieneer Posted: December 31, 2013 at 11:57 AM (#4627140)
Anyone have any opinions on Fallout New Vegas DLC (or mods)? I'm picking up at least vanilla for $2.50, but give how much time I'll likely invest in it, not sure the DLC is worthwhile.
   404. Obo Posted: January 01, 2014 at 06:02 PM (#4627868)
Delurk. I've only just started playing Fallout New Vegas so my opinion isn't worth much, but I was facing the same decision during the last sale and decided to get the Ultimate Edition with the extra content. At this point it's looking like overkill to me - I expect I'll spend so much time wandering around that I probably won't even finish the base game.

Incidentally, I'm now facing a similar decision with Borderlands 2. I think only the multiplayer really appeals to me here so no point in getting the Game of the Year edition at three times the price, right?

Any BBTF BL2 games still going? If I get it I'll be interested in playing this weekend.
   405. mex4173 Posted: January 01, 2014 at 06:51 PM (#4627885)
Dead Money has some mechanics that can be annoying (particularly depending on your playstyle) and is distinctly lacking in enemy variation but also has some good ideas and strongly characterized NPCs.

Honest Hearts is a 3 WAR season, maybe more if the Burned Man is an intriguing character to you.

Old World Blues is incredible. Clever, varied, nice in-game character bonuses.

Lonesome Road is really good too. It has a memorable antagonist and ties up the main mystery side plot from the main game.


Old World Blues is worth it alone, and your almost bound to really like at least 1-2 of the others.
   406. Manny Coon Posted: January 01, 2014 at 07:29 PM (#4627891)
Assuming you like the main game I think New Vegas has the best DLC of pretty much any game.
   407. Poster Nutbag Posted: January 01, 2014 at 07:30 PM (#4627892)
404 - There can be one practically anytime you want one until I go back to work in a bout a week or so...add me and hit me up anytime, usually anything after 9pm (PST) is good, and Fri, Sat I am usually on as early as 4 or 5 (PST). Anything else is a crapshoot, so just add me and send a message of you want to try and get a game going.
   408. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 01, 2014 at 07:42 PM (#4627897)
Yeah, the New Vegas DLC was really good, even if the increased level caps meant that by the end of them and the regular game I could punch a Deathclaw matriarch to flinders while in nothing but my britches.
   409. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 01, 2014 at 08:01 PM (#4627902)
407 I'm going to be so far behind on our BL2 excursions, I have in-laws for another week and my desktop is in the guest bedroom.

Hey, on the plus side I built a basic PC to serve as an emulation machine for my daughter this Christmas, with MAME, and emulation utilities for Nintendo, Super Nintendo, N64, and Sega Genesis. As a longtime member of the PC Master Race I actually am completely unfamiliar with anything ever released on those console systems, so if anyone could make some recommendations for fun, easy games than I can play with her I'm all ears. Mario Kart is too difficult for her but I was hoping to find something with a similar co-op emphasis.
   410. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 01, 2014 at 08:11 PM (#4627906)
If Mario Kart is too hard for her I have no idea what to recommend to you, honestly. Donkey Kong Country on the SNES?
   411. Good cripple hitter Posted: January 01, 2014 at 08:21 PM (#4627915)
Donkey Kong Country isn't easier than Mario Kart, I'd anti-recommend that (although it's got more of a real co-op mode than anything I can think of right now). I'd go with Super Mario World, although the special worlds in that game can get very difficult.

Actually, come to think of it, Kirby Superstar for the SNES might be perfect. Starts easy, gets more difficult, lots of fun.

More options:

Pilotwings (SNES): Probably too hard, but you can have a lot of fun without succeeding just playing around with the rocketbelt or the parachuting levels.

Super Mario All Stars (SNES): Has all the NES Mario games.

Harvest Moon 64 (Also exists on the NES/SNES): one player only, has awful graphics (for the time), practically no story, but it's probably the most addictive console game I've played.

Yoshi's Cookie (NES): Great puzzle game, see also

Tetris and Dr Mario (SNES): two of the best puzzle games in one handy cartridge (or, in this case, ROM)

NBA Jam (SNES) is great basketball fun, has co-op and Al Gore as an unlockable character.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time (SNES) is the best co-op beat-em-up I can think of, and it's not that hard.

Bonanza Bros (Genesis): you play as two robbers trying to steal gold/gems from various places (casino, mine, etc) in order to test their security systems. Might be a bit hard but it's got simultaneous co-op.
   412. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 01, 2014 at 08:34 PM (#4627928)
Thanks for the recommendations y'all, it's just daunting to be confronted with literally thousands of ROMs and have absolutely zero knowledge of console titles from that era.

I like the old MAME games myself but those arcade games were brutally hard quarter-suckers.
   413. Jim Wisinski Posted: January 01, 2014 at 08:41 PM (#4627931)
I've been playing a lot of Borderlands 2 lately but generally at either odd times (early in the morning) or at times I could be interrupted at any time so I've either been not on when other people on or I've been playing offline since my play could hit an end or an extended pause at any time. I got up to level 20 with my character and had to stop so I didn't get insanely ahead of everyone else....and the new character I started for purely solo play is up to 16 now. Needless to say I really freaking love this game.

I'm out of town this weekend from after work Friday through Sunday evening but after that, with the extra days off from the holidays over, my schedule should be returning to the normal routine. Weekends aren't great for me to do co-op since I'm sometimes busy and generally can't set aside a good amount of time where I know I can play continuously. Weekdays though I'm home from work by the late afternoon and typically have no time-specific obligations through 9 or 9:30 when I need to get to sleep. From 6 or 7 on especially are great for me, usually I've made dinner eaten, cleaned up, and done anything else I need to do by then so I can be available any night for at least a couple hours of play. I'd especially like it if we could maybe pre-plan stuff sometimes and get four of us in a game at one time, so far I've only done two-player. Also, as long as I'm not working Saturday then I tend to stay up until at least 11 on Fridays so I have no objection to playing the game for 4-5 hours straight...

Incidentally, I'm now facing a similar decision with Borderlands 2. I think only the multiplayer really appeals to me here so no point in getting the Game of the Year edition at three times the price, right?


The thing about BL2 is that the multiplayer and single player are the exact same thing, just when you have more than one person in the game it automatically adjusts the enemies to be harder (and the loot is supposed to be better). So the question is will you want to be able to take the game beyond the base campaign and do add-on storylines? I bought the regular edition for $10 but will likely end up getting the GotY edition at some point (GetGamesGo.com still has it for $15) because I expect I'll want to play the extra campaigns whether solo or with people.
   414. Obo Posted: January 01, 2014 at 09:40 PM (#4627960)
Thanks for the explanation, Jim. BL2 GOTY purchased from GetGamesGo and is now downloading. Hope to have it figured out in time to look for some multiplayer this weekend.

PosterNutbag: Thanks - looks like I've found you on steam.
   415. hokieneer Posted: January 02, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4628128)
RE: New Vegas

I ended up purchasing the ultimate edition. I was initially misreading the price/invoice of the sale. Basically the 6 DLC packs were an additional $4.50-$5 more. As 404 and 408 point out, there are certain "drawbacks" to having cheap extra content/levels, but I'll manage. I never play Bethseda games much for actual progression to beating the game, just character progression and exploration.

RE: old console games

There has been quite a few answers for the NES/SNES side, so as a youth Genesis owner, I'll see what I can remember.

Streets of Rage 1+2: Two of the best Beat 'em ups you'll ever find. I seem to remember there were 5-6 difficult settings, so hopefully the easier settings are right at the skill level you need.

TMNT - The Hyperstone Heist: Much like SNES Turtles in Time, in fact a lot of the assets were used in both games.

X-Men and X-Men 2: Great games. On second thought, these are a lot more difficult that standard beat 'em ups, but I'm still recommending them because they are very good games from the era.

Mutant league Football: Probably the game I played the most from the 16 bit era. So much better than any "simulation" football game from that era. It plays like a Madden or Techmo from that era (passing windows!), but with skeletons, trolls, aliens, robots, etc. Also features extra fun with player deaths, field hazards, unbalanced teams, ref bribing, etc; Just general arcade football mayhem.

Toejam & Earl


Actually this is really hard to do. Sega must still have been in the quarter prying design mode, because most of the games I remember fondly from that era were really difficult



   416. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 02, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4628137)
Excitebike on the NES is pretty awesome. No co-op but you can design a track together and then take turns racing on it.

If you're getting NBA Jam go with Tournament Edition, it's vastly better.

Also consider Super Smash Bros. for the N64. You can play as a team against two CPUs, which are extremely easy to beat if you set them on low levels. Would be boring for you but she might enjoy it.

   417. Manny Coon Posted: January 02, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4628164)
I never play Bethseda games much for actual progression to beating the game, just character progression and exploration.


New Vegas isn't really designed like a Bethesda game, especially the vanilla game. Obsidian tried hard to design it more like older Fallout games, but within the context of the newer game engine; it has a lot more role playing options (way more NPCs and dialogue and more quests, with more options on how to complete them and better writing to support that) compared to Fallout 3, but not as much explore/kill/loot stuff.

If do you want play it like a Bethesda designed game, I think the DLC are fairly essential, they add a lot of explorable areas, higher level combat and high end loot that wasn't there in main game and you get a much higher level cap, Lonesome Road and Old World Blues in particular are designed more with the play style of Fallout 3 in mind.
   418. JJ1986 Posted: January 02, 2014 at 11:16 AM (#4628171)
Fallout 3 is one of my 5 favorite games ever, but I didn't really like the base New Vegas game. It was too focused, and I didn't like playing in a city and in buildings nearly as much as playing in the mostly-abandoned wilderness. I mostly remember being annoyed at having to walk through a long pointless map every time I wanted to enter the downtown area. Maybe the DLC is what I need.
   419. The Good Face Posted: January 02, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4628178)
Picked up Mark of the Ninja on Steam sale for $3 a couple of days ago; it's pretty pro if you like stealth gameplay. Highly recommended, although you'll want a controller for best results.

I'm gratified to see people embracing the goodness that is Borderlands 2. I've long since burned out on it, but it's a helluva game and getting it at rock bottom prices is a steal of a deal.
   420. Good cripple hitter Posted: January 02, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4628227)
I just realized I forgot the best co-op SNES game: Legend of the Mystical Ninja. Great characters, good sense of humor, lots of memorable levels, and the stages are divided into top-down levels (where you can collect gold / play minigames / buy items) and harder side-scrolling levels / boss fights. The good part is that if the hard stuff is too hard for one of the players, you can choose to play it with only one player, or you can use a piggyback system where one player controls the movement / jumping and the other one controls the attacks. Plus you get to attack old ladies with either a yo-yo or a party horn.
   421. hokieneer Posted: January 02, 2014 at 01:03 PM (#4628273)
So FO:NV will be an interesting case study for me then. My Bethesda game experience consists of attempting to explore/enjoy Oblivion on the PS3 when I first got the console, and FO3. I made it ~30 hours of wandering in Oblivion before the leveling system, bugs, and horrible combat was too much. Fallout 3 was a weird experience for me. I started playing it about a week before my father passed away (we weren't that close, but still). After the services I had a few days off work so I just set around stoned all day and played FO3. I progressed to the weird VR-game part where you meet your game character's dad. After that I didn't go meet him again and spent the rest of my time exploring. I'd just pull up a map and point to an unexplored spot and go there. I got a lot of enjoyment in seeing the run down Capital, Washington Monument, wastelands, running into random NPCs with quests, making up my own stories & adventures, etc. I finally ran out of steam after ~100 hours or so because all the areas were so similar and the loot was identical everywhere.

Abstractly I enjoy narrative driven games, so I might like a more focused Fallout RPG experience.
   422. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 02, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4628278)
Today being the last full day of the Steam Winter Sale, Valve is simply re-posting the most popular deals of the last week for your consideration, with one exception - thanks to a fun glitch, Borderlands 2 is currently on sale for 125% off - they'll pay you $15 to get it. :P

Last chance to ask - anyone want to try Age of Empires II? For $5 I'll spam my love like my Mongol hordes will spam your armies with arrows.
   423. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: January 02, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4628290)
Today being the last full day of the Steam Winter Sale,


The Civ V gold update for $5 is pretty sweet.
   424. BFFB Posted: January 02, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4628330)
F:NV is very much spawned from the charred remains of Black Isle's project "Van Buren" which was also designed by ropekid, so it's very much a Black Isle/Obsidian game in so far as the focus is less on exploration of different environments and more the world-building, narrative design and systems. This is most obvious in the world design because where as Bethesda want stuff to look cool but don't care too much if it works Obsidian want to build a less outlandish world which hangs together as being something that could actually exist - e.g. settlements will have water and somewhere to grow food.

Thematically you can really tell that F:NV is more of a true "sequel" to Fallout II because of the state of the world, where Fallout III's world gave off the feeling that the nuclear bombs went off a couple years ago and everything is trashed F:NV has a world which is in throws of being reconstructed with civilization starting to pull itself together.

As with a lot of Obsidian games it was released about 2/3rds finished because they ran out of time (working with an unfamiliar engine was more difficult than they thought which caused lots of delays), the DLC solves a lot of that problem and adds stuff that was missing from the final game. If you want a recommendation for a mod than try ropekids mod which gives the whole game a balance pass.

In other Obsidian news I am really looking forward to Pillar's of Eternity coming out this year and have been spending most this week playing Torchlight II and the Wasteland II beta - the combat is still a little wonky in Wasteland (beta is beta etc.) but it looks like it's going to be a very well put together game, Torchlight II is brilliant and if you like dungeon crawlers/diablo likes at all then you should go buy it.
   425. Moe Greene Posted: January 02, 2014 at 01:36 PM (#4628333)
I was hoping Papers, Please would be on sale one more time. Looks like it didn't make the encore list. Boo.
   426. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: January 02, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4628334)
Damnit, damnit, damnit. I just go ahead and get the dawnguard and dragonborn DLC for Skyrim for 33% off and now they are 50% off. It's not the $$ it's the principal. That will teach me to go ahead and buy something.
   427. Poster Nutbag Posted: January 02, 2014 at 01:45 PM (#4628340)
Moe - if you make it before 11(PST) the Humble Store has it for $4.99
   428. Moe Greene Posted: January 02, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4628352)
Nutbag -- thanks for the info! I was hoping to be able to cash in the $$$ I've received from selling Snowglobe cards, thus getting Papers, Please at a pretty steep discount. So I guess my choices are to pay $4.99 now or get it for ~$2 whenever Steam has it for $4.99 again. Hmm.

Yes, I am cheap.
   429. zack Posted: January 02, 2014 at 09:17 PM (#4628802)
Thematically you can really tell that F:NV is more of a true "sequel" to Fallout II because of the state of the world, where Fallout III's world gave off the feeling that the nuclear bombs went off a couple years ago and everything is trashed F:NV has a world which is in throws of being reconstructed with civilization starting to pull itself together.


Yes, definitely. As a huuuuuuge Fallout 2 fan, the most disappointing thing about F3 was that they basically threw F2 out. Fallout 1 is set not long after people are first coming out of the vaults, and Fallout 3 goes back to that what with all the untouched areas and loot.
   430. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: January 03, 2014 at 01:57 AM (#4628941)
Hey, on the plus side I built a basic PC to serve as an emulation machine for my daughter this Christmas, with MAME, and emulation utilities for Nintendo, Super Nintendo, N64, and Sega Genesis. As a longtime member of the PC Master Race I actually am completely unfamiliar with anything ever released on those console systems, so if anyone could make some recommendations for fun, easy games than I can play with her I'm all ears. Mario Kart is too difficult for her but I was hoping to find something with a similar co-op emphasis.

Considering the N64 is the last console I owned, before I moved over to the light side, I feel perfectly qualified to answer this. Although it would help if there was a bit more of indication of the type of games she/you might be into. I'll just stick with child-friendly games:

N64: Mario Kart 64, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Banjo Kazooie, Paper Mario, Super Mario 64, Super Smash Bros are the premier kids games imo, and relatively easy. Maybe Mario Tennis, Mario Party.

Probably a bit too hard for her right now:
Starfox - one of the best space fighter type games of all time. Plus I never get tired of shooting down Falco with friendly fire, that pompous asshat.

Ocarina of Time - one of the 10 (I would say 5, but reasonable people could argue) best games of all time. If you have any interest in the genre at all, an absolute must play.

Jet Force Gemini - Fun, friendly shooter type game.

Daddy only games:
Golden Eye, Perfect Dark. Only FPS type games worth anything on the 64. Maybe Turok 2

SNES
Super Mario World, Super Mario Kart, Donkey Kong Country 2, Yoshi's Island, Super Mario RPG, Turtles in Time, Super Bomberman, Earthworm Jim. Street Fighter 2 Turbo, if you want to get beaten up by a little girl.

Probably not yet, but keep in mind for the future:
Super Metroid, Zelda: A Link to the Past, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana (best game on the SNES imo, but the other 3 are strong contenders). Star Fox, Mega Man X2, F Zero. The Final Fantasy games. Terranigma, Earthbound. Lufia I&II; and the Breath of Fire series are really fun, and unusually different RPGs. Super Castlevania IV.

daddy games: Erm Contra probably. Mortal Kombat.
   431. Good cripple hitter Posted: January 03, 2014 at 02:06 AM (#4628942)
N64: Mario Kart 64, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Banjo Kazooie, Paper Mario, Super Mario 64, Super Smash Bros are the premier kids games imo, and relatively easy. Maybe Mario Tennis, Mario Party.


I never played Conker's Bad Fur Day, but wasn't it notorious for taking a plush & cute platforming character and turning it into an M rated game?
   432. DJS and the Infinite Sadness Posted: January 03, 2014 at 02:45 AM (#4628948)
YR, if you're playing around with MAME, check for a ROM for Ninja Baseball Batman.
   433. Daunte Vicknabbit! Posted: January 03, 2014 at 02:57 AM (#4628949)
Yes, don't recommend Conker to small children.

Super Mario RPG is easily the most accessible JRPG of all time, it is ####### adorable, has fun gameplay, and excellent music. I think every video gamer should play it at least once.
   434. Monty Posted: January 03, 2014 at 02:58 AM (#4628950)
Genesis recommendations:

Sonic 2 introduced Tails, and it's a really good two-player cooperative game. Tails can pick Sonic up and move him to places he couldn't reach!

Also, Shadowrun for the Genesis is one of my all-time favorite games. Not multiplayer, though.
   435. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: January 03, 2014 at 06:36 AM (#4628976)
Is anybody going to play Titanfall when it comes out? The graphics look outdated but the gameplay looks amazing.
   436. BFFB Posted: January 03, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4629116)
I'll probably give it a go if the PC version isn't a broken nightmare of horribleness like every Call of Duty game since 4.
   437. hokieneer Posted: January 03, 2014 at 08:57 PM (#4629647)
Isn't the team behind titanfall some of the original infinity ward team? I'm mostly agnostic towards mechs as a gameplay mechanic, but this one seems interesting. The hype is ridiculous though.
   438. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 04, 2014 at 04:47 PM (#4630117)
Anyone up for BL2 this evening?
   439. Obo Posted: January 04, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4630130)
If lurking n00bs are welcome I'll be around.
   440. Jim Wisinski Posted: January 04, 2014 at 06:03 PM (#4630165)
Wish I could! Would love to schedule a four player BL2 game one of the coming weeknights.
   441. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 04, 2014 at 07:08 PM (#4630213)
I'd love to kill bullymongs with you but I'm still entertaining the in-laws for a few more days. I'm pretty sure they'd be horrified if I asked them to vacate the guest room for a couple of hours so I could play video games.
   442. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 06, 2014 at 09:20 AM (#4631193)
And now the awful weather throughout the northeast and midwest has postponed the exodus of the in-laws until the end of the week. PC Master Race Problems: All those Steam Sale games are sitting in my account unplayed, mocking me.
   443. zonk Posted: January 06, 2014 at 09:37 AM (#4631205)
Anyone have any recommendations (or "un" recommendations) on any of those 4X strategy games that seem to be exploding on tablet/mobile/online gameplay? I.e., the whole Forge of Empires, Clash of Clans, etc type stuff?

Are they all sort of farmville simpleton strategy games or do any approach the level of a solid Paradox title or Civilization? I'm pretty confidant that anything browser-based is going to fall well short, but anything promising or at least worthy of killing the occasional hour with?
   444. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: January 07, 2014 at 07:50 AM (#4632077)
Are they all sort of farmville simpleton strategy games or do any approach the level of a solid Paradox title or Civilization? I'm pretty confidant that anything browser-based is going to fall well short, but anything promising or at least worthy of killing the occasional hour with?


Worthy of killing the occasional 15 minutes? Sure. Whole hour at a time? Probably not, outside of the very first hour. Most of those games have a free component that is heavily weighted with time penalties. If you want to pay for whatever the speed up currency is, then have at it, but if you do that you can quickly spend way more than the game is worth.

Nothing is going to come close to PDox or Civ. They are typically similar to AoE games.
   445. hokieneer Posted: January 07, 2014 at 10:22 AM (#4632143)
Worthy of killing the occasional 15 minutes? Sure. Whole hour at a time? Probably not, outside of the very first hour. Most of those games have a free component that is heavily weighted with time penalties. If you want to pay for whatever the speed up currency is, then have at it, but if you do that you can quickly spend way more than the game is worth.


In addition to that, there is a lot of scheduling of being online at certain moments to kick off the next action or take part in the next server event. For maximizing your play, of course. That's what always seemed to discourage me the most.

I have played a few mmo strategy browser/mobile games, but the 2 that stand out to me were:

1) Ikariam. I played this for 2.5 years. It required very little in the time commitment per setting and after a certain point the time commitment per daily actions was minimal. You could be attacked at any time; but all that could happen was stolen loot and no building damage. It was expensive to attack, so unless you felt very confident in the battle outcome and loot ahead of time, it usually wasn't worth it. When I quit playing, the game was morphing from a nice balanced buliding-strategy game, to something that leaned way to heavily on microtransactions and protecting players. Microtransactions where introduced that would protect all goods from being stolen, send attacking ships back to their city of origin, and surprisingly speed up your resource production.
It has been several years since I played.

2) Dynasty Saga: I played this for about 9 months right after I finally left Ikariam. At it's core it's a very grindy Korean type of game. It's not your typical 4X (there is no exploring, and your expanding is limited to one city), but it has a lot of resource management, pvp, and a very deep tactical battle system. The actual battles were the most fun I've ever had in a browser/mobile game. The problem was this game was notorious for needing to be online during a certain 15-30 minute window to participate in server events that had a 5% chance to get a 1/20 fragment for a weapon upgrade. That was at the the "end game" of course, leading up to that it wasn't that bad, but the level spike happened fast and it was huge. Still the first 75-80% of the campaign was a lot of fun, and I think would be well received as a single player game.

Every mobile strategy game I've tried just completely misses the mark, trying to be too much like farmville. I tried the simpsons tapped out game for a while because a really wanted to play sim city on my phone. But it was a social and microtransaction riddled adventure. I'd just really like to have a sim or strategy game on my phone that I can play for 15 minutes at a time, that's not monetized by microtransactions, but instead has an up front purchase price. Sadly that makes me a dinosaur.

Oh well, more mobile runs of Pixel Dungeon I guess.
   446. Poster Nutbag Posted: January 08, 2014 at 10:38 PM (#4634239)
FYI, if any of you owned OOTP 14 prior to it's Steam release, you can grab your Steam Keys here: OOTP Steam Keys
   447. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: January 09, 2014 at 08:07 AM (#4634347)
elder scrolls online is doing another beta weekend, not sure if any of you have signed up for that. If you have make sure you check for your invite.
   448. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: January 10, 2014 at 01:00 PM (#4635815)
Torchlight 2 is free to play on Steam all weekend.
   449. Jim Wisinski Posted: January 10, 2014 at 05:58 PM (#4636024)
A few games on significant discount at Gamefly, including the original Borderlands GOTY edition for $5. It's a little tempting but I don't really want to buy it right now, in case I played BL2 so much I get burned out and uninterested in playing the original.
   450. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 09:07 AM (#4637606)
Finally got back on my desktop this weekend and was tickled pink to see I'd received a gift from the esteemed PosterNutbag. Thanks for the copy of AOEII, one of my old favorites from the days of my Celeron300A :)
   451. CrosbyBird Posted: January 13, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4638090)
Can you play multiplayer games on Steam that you bought the CD for?
   452. zack Posted: January 13, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4638225)

Can you play multiplayer games on Steam that you bought the CD for?


For the most part, no, if I'm understanding your question. There are a minority of games that you can enter the CD-key into steam and have the game added to your library.
   453. Langer Monk Posted: January 13, 2014 at 07:58 PM (#4638247)
You may want to check with the publisher though if it isn't listed. I bought Game Dev Tycoon through the publisher's website, and when they moved onto steam they offered steam keys to those who bought the game prior.
   454. hokieneer Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:27 PM (#4639189)
   455. Tripon Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:43 PM (#4639193)
I wouldn't be too excited. ERSB website lists 2K sports as the publisher.
   456. Big Ears Teddy shouldn't see TFTIO Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:53 PM (#4639195)
I cried like a baby at Certain Things Happening in Shadow Of The Colossus. And then once a year, I get the "Sorry, the publisher has pushed The Last Guardian back another year" email from Amazon and I shed a single, glistening tear. OF RAGE.
   457. madvillain Posted: April 06, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4680270)
So I bought "Rust" the other week. I'm like 40 hours in and its some of the most brilliant and frustrating gameplay I have experienced. I have literally jumped from my seat a few times and also unloaded a few profanity laced tirades at times.

The game is sorta like day z mixed with minecraft. You harvest resources and build bases. You can go at it alone or with a team. Its very early alpha however so it is rife with exploits hacks and imbalances. Basically you will die, again and again, especially if you arent mgl pro AAT fps.

That said, the game has a ton of potential and is a lot of fun despite the problems with hacking and briefing.
   458. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 06, 2014 at 12:26 PM (#4680286)
Diablo 3 has eaten my free time this past week. They've really made the game excellent, on par with Diablo 2. Adventure mode and loot 2.0 have made it incredibly addictive.
   459. Random Transaction Generator Posted: April 06, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4680353)
I jumped back into D3 after taking almost a year off it.
The recent patch changed up a lot of it, and definitely fixed a few issues I had with it.
I'll probably play for a while again when I have time.
   460. formerly dp Posted: April 06, 2014 at 06:46 PM (#4680543)
Thoughts on the Facebook acquisition of Oculus?
   461. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 11:16 AM (#4682837)
I really want an Oculus, but my enthusiasm has waned considerably following the acquisition. I was pretty excited to see this Game of Thrones demo using the technology, and I do think that we're at a point in terms of miniturization and processing power where truly effective head-mounted VR displays are viable.

One thing OR's founder said in response to the well-deserved vitriol he's received since selling to the online rectal probes at Facebook is that VR technology like Oculus Rift has already attracted the interest of well-capitalized technology groups (like Sony, most notably) and thus it was too important for OR's future to eschew the value of this influx of capital right now. I can't say I disagree with that sentiment, but it is good to be reminded that we will have alternatives.
   462. formerly dp Posted: April 09, 2014 at 12:36 PM (#4682924)
One thing OR's founder said in response to the well-deserved vitriol he's received since selling to the online rectal probes at Facebook is that VR technology like Oculus Rift has already attracted the interest of well-capitalized technology groups (like Sony, most notably) and thus it was too important for OR's future to eschew the value of this influx of capital right now. I can't say I disagree with that sentiment, but it is good to be reminded that we will have alternatives.
I read that, and I'm sympathetic. I just don't know what use FB sees in it, and I could very easily imagine a scenario where they put it on the back burner while they pursue stuff with a more obvious utility.

I convinced work to buy me a dev kit, looking forward to getting my hands on it.
   463. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 19, 2014 at 03:00 PM (#4730685)
Praise be to Lord GabeN, the STEAM SUMMER SALE is here.

Today's pickings are rather meager but there's plenty of time for Lord GabeN to shower his followers with more blessings in the coming days.

Today's highlights include the really, really cool RPG Witcher 2 for $4 - play the game Obama played at a price even a Teabagger could love!

Far Cry 3, a very cool open-world FPS with all sorts of crafting and exciting gameplay (go swimming to avoid soldiers! Swim faster to avoid the shark that spotted you! Stab the shark in desperation as it outswims you in 5 seconds!) for a mere $7.50 is money well-spent unless you need to go through U-Play (not sure about that).

Weird indy survival game "Don't Starve" for $3.75! Multiplayer co-op zombie slaughter simulator "Dead Island: Riptide" for $5 (say, weren't we going to try Dead Island after the last Steam sale? I picked it up)! Hardass co-op heisting in "Payday 2" for $10, it's like L4D2 but more complex!

Enjoy the fruits of the PC Master Race and leave the Filthy Console Peasants behind!
   464. DJS and the Infinite Sadness Posted: June 19, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4730749)
I cried a little. For the first set of Daily Deals, I realized I had all the games I was interested in. Including one I didn't realize I had already bought, because I'm that far behind in playing my Steam games.
   465. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 19, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4730757)
Do you have Day Z? I'm curious to try it, but it sounds like it can be pretty tough on noobs.
   466. Langer Monk Posted: June 19, 2014 at 05:54 PM (#4731009)
pretty tough on noobs


In the same way the vacuum of space is pretty tough on humans.
   467. DJS and the Infinite Sadness Posted: June 19, 2014 at 06:08 PM (#4731019)
Tried Day Z in the past, wasn't interested.
   468. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 19, 2014 at 07:07 PM (#4731077)
In the same way the vacuum of space is pretty tough on humans.


Is it worth the effort?

I gotta say, this has to be the golden age of indy gaming. Thanks to Steam (PRAISE GABEN) promising developer groups can start getting funding much earlier in development and avoid the publishers' demands for homogenization and dumbing-down. Day Z is probably a good example of that, a still-unfinished game that has attracted a huge crowd with some novel gameplay and apparently unforgiving environment.

I decided to give an indy game a try based on word-of-mouth from some friends and picked up The Forest a couple of weeks ago. I love its ambition, even though it's pretty rough I'm glad I'm funding its refinement. It's the sort of survival-horror that's become popular as of late, and even though much of the game is still unworkable (it's still an alpha) you can see the promise.

Any indy games out there we shouldn't be sleeping on?
   469. madvillain Posted: June 19, 2014 at 08:38 PM (#4731118)
Any indy games out there we shouldn't be sleeping on?


The new Rust might be unbelievably awesome, or it might be vaporware. It's from the guy that did Gmod, Garry Newman, and he's an immature prick with millions in his bank account so who knows if his company, Facebunch, will ever "finish" the game. That said, Rust in it's current state is the closest I've ever been to being addicted to an online game, but after about 100 hours it got incredibly repetive due to it's current limited nature and map.


I love its ambition, even though it's pretty rough I'm glad I'm funding its refinement. It's the sort of survival-horror that's become popular as of late, and even though much of the game is still unworkable (it's still an alpha) you can see the promise.


I got predictably shouted down by the "It's an Alpha duh" chorus on Reddit when I complained that yea, great concept, but not even close to playable or finished. I've played maybe 2-3 hours and it was really fun and haven't touched it since because it's too limited and too buggy. YOu can only craft like 5-6 things atm and the inventory glitches make it basically unsavable. Not to mention the AI seems horribly bipolar. You either don't see them for hours or a horde of them attacks you right away. Daytime does not seem to deter them sometimes, and it's my understanding you're supposed to able to gather without them attacking you during the day. One time I did manage to fend like 3-4 of them off with some awesome FPS skills (lotta circling) and then I died from the dead body falcon punch glitch -- at that point I gave up on the game. I will come back in a month and see how it is.

I am very mixed on Alpha releases in general. It might turn out to be exactly what the industry needs (after a relatively bad year for AAA titles) or it might turn out to be a huge false start (games never get finished, pissed off community, etc).
   470. Langer Monk Posted: June 19, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4731123)
I haven't played it since it was a mod in Arma. I won't buy it until it is out of Alpha and ready.

If you like the idea of a true survival horror game, where you start with nothing, can be killed at any moment by any one, then it'll probably be your cup of tea. If you are familiar with Eve Online, it's like roaming in null sec space in a cruiser - you might last a while, until you hop thru a gate and get stomped by a 20 man gang, you might get nicked by a well-fit t2 ship, or you might make it home. Also could be fun if you like hiding in the bushes for a while.

It was interesting to find a hiding space and watch other players kill each other or get eaten by a horde.
   471. zack Posted: June 19, 2014 at 09:24 PM (#4731146)
There's definitely a kickstarter / early access bubble out there that's going to come crashing down eventually, but hopefully in the meantime we'll get some great games that wouldn't have been made otherwise.

The new flash deals just rolled over. One of them is friggin' HL2. Another is only 10% off. Get it together, Valve! I hope this isn't as disappointing as the winter sale was.

And if I may whine a bit: I hate all the metagames. I have no interest in trading, or, god forbid, purchasing virtual trading cards. I managed to finally get up to steam level 5 so at least steam would treat me like a human and not a sock puppet (you're excluded from all the giveaways until level 5 for that reason). And then the summer sale starts, and now you have to be level 8 for it. Argh. I'd rather just be able to opt out and not even see that stuff.
   472. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 07:24 AM (#4731272)
There's definitely a kickstarter / early access bubble out there that's going to come crashing down eventually, but hopefully in the meantime we'll get some great games that wouldn't have been made otherwise.


Yeah, I appreciate the risks but I don't mind rolling the dice for $15 or so when I know I can stock my gaming pantry on the cheap during the Steam Sales. It's a good model for the indy developers to get some revenue in early to fund their continued work and as a gamer I'd rather absorb that small % of risk that the game won't ever be finished than let new ideas for potentially entertaining gameplay get excluded by "me too" publishing requirements. I love my "Skyrim" and my "Witcher" and my "Total War" but you don't need a AAA budget to put out a fun game.

That said, I really want to play Chris Roberts' new $45 million+ kickstarter sensation Star Citizen game when it comes out. Oh man that looks great.

The new flash deals just rolled over. One of them is friggin' HL2. Another is only 10% off. Get it together, Valve! I hope this isn't as disappointing as the winter sale was.


I didn't mind the winter sale so much, I think I spent $20-something and got Borderlands 2, Dead Island, Payday 2, and Medieval Total War 2. Plus they gave away L4D2 for free for 8 hours at the last sale so I'll stay vigilant regardless.

And if I may whine a bit: I hate all the metagames. I have no interest in trading, or, god forbid, purchasing virtual trading cards.


Agreed. I just ignore it.

Wait, you need to be level 8 for giveaways?
   473. CraigK Posted: June 20, 2014 at 07:36 AM (#4731275)
Praise be to Lord GabeN, the STEAM SUMMER SALE is here.


The only game I play is DOTA, and that ####'s free, baby.







send help
   474. Paul D(uda) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 07:41 AM (#4731276)
And if I may whine a bit: I hate all the metagames. I have no interest in trading, or, god forbid, purchasing virtual trading cards.

Sell all the cards. I've easily made more than 10 bucks over the past year on cards. (Which is a lot of cards, but I hadn't done anything with the various cards drops until then).
   475. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 07:54 AM (#4731280)
I never think about the cards so I went and checked my account. I have a zillion hours in Left 4 Dead 2, how the hell do I not have all the cards?
   476. CraigK Posted: June 20, 2014 at 08:02 AM (#4731285)
I never think about the cards so I went and checked my account. I have a zillion hours in Left 4 Dead 2, how the hell do I not have all the cards?


I think it's based on hours played SINCE the cards came out, which makes no sense, but there you go.
   477. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 20, 2014 at 08:34 AM (#4731301)
Sell all the cards. I've easily made more than 10 bucks over the past year on cards. (Which is a lot of cards, but I hadn't done anything with the various cards drops until then).


This.

I had built up a nice collection of cards from playing games and previous Steam Sale participation.
I created one badge, but then sold every other card on the open Steam marketplace (usually in less than 5 minutes).
In the end, I had made about $16 in sales, and immediately flipped that money to purchase a couple of games on sale (Spelunky and Rogue Legacy).
It's mind-blowing that I could purchase a game based on my efforts of playing other games.

Sadly, with my contract job and my 13-month-old daughter, I really don't have enough time to play games as much as I did two years ago, so I don't think I'll be taking part in the Steam Sale. Besides, I still have a huge backlog of games to play that I either bought or were bought for me during the last couple of sales: Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, Bioshock Infinite, XCom Enemy Unknown (20 hours in), Crusader Kings II (20 hours in, but someone went and bought me a stack of DLC for it), The Wolf Among Us...sigh.
   478. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 08:44 AM (#4731307)
Sadly, with my contract job and my 13-month-old daughter,


Work. Family. These are the enemies of PC gamers worldwide. This is the sort of oppression that drives people to accept 2 minutes of "Flappy Bird" on the toilet as an acceptable gaming experience.
   479. CraigK Posted: June 20, 2014 at 08:56 AM (#4731314)
Work. Family. These are the enemies of PC gamers worldwide. This is the sort of oppression that drives people to accept 2 minutes of "Flappy Bird" on the toilet as an acceptable gaming experience.


1000+ games of DOTA, and never once have i heard someone abandon due either to needing to get to work, or because their wife/kid needs them to do something. Makes you think.
   480. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 10:54 AM (#4731401)
I can't even fathom that. I get interrupted by my daughter while playing with my usual L4D2 group so often that everyone knows her name and they sang her "happy birthday" last month.
   481. Obo Posted: June 20, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4731567)
Yeah me neither. My experience is that the family obligations of online players surface regularly. "Gotta go take care of the kids...back in 20" - that sort of thing.
   482. Paul D(uda) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4731763)

I think it's based on hours played SINCE the cards came out, which makes no sense, but there you go.

I think each game with cards has a fixed number of card drops. So play L4D2 for 15 or so hours and you'll get the first 4 cards. After that the drops are much much rarer.
   483. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 05:05 PM (#4731877)
More goodies available at the STEAM sale as we're now on Day 2.

Amnesia: A Game for Pigs is a really weird, atmospheric first-person horror game that really scared the heck out of me a few times. Play this one at night with the lights out and a good set of headphones, and since the game is yours for a mere $5, you'll probably have some money left over to have a few drinks in preparation.

I've heard many good things about Mount & Blade, a first-person melee weapon fightfest that is supposed to let you relive the Wildling assault on Castle Black and whatnot. It's on sale now, so I checked the review to see if I should pull the trigger:

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BUY THIS GAME. Seriously, look how many hours I've played: Over a thousand.

People make fun of MMO players because they spend so much time working for imaginary goals, but at least they're hanging out with friends and collaborating. I've just been sitting here alone in my underwear in the dark. FOR 1000 HOURS.

I used to be like you. I had friends and family, hobbies and interests. I used to cook for myself and clean my apartment once in a while. I used to have house plants for god's sake!


If I had a choice between having sex with a woman or playing Mount & Blade: Warband, I'd probably still choose sex with a woman.

But afterwards I'd tell her to get the ???? out of my house so I can play Mount & Blade: Warband.


You like stabbing? Yeah i know you like stabbing. You look like the type. This game has stabbing. Is Good.


Mount and blade is one of those games you dream of having. A RPG medieval fps with a bit of strategy thrown in. Its like a cross between chivalry, skyrim and rome total war excluding the dragons and magic, and there are countless hours worth of gameplay with all the in depth politics and schemes you just have to love it and if you want to live it more there are mods.... mods. thousands upon hundreds of mods ranging from ipmerial rome to the napoleonic era and even visiting the world of game of thrones isnt that sublime.


The game is currently yours for $4. FOUR DOLLARS. Sold.

There's some other stuff for sale too but go look for yourself, I'm going to download Mount & Blade.
   484. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 05:22 PM (#4731900)
Apropos of nothing, but I just dropped by to observe that I find it impossible to maintain a bad mood while listening to this.
   485. zack Posted: June 20, 2014 at 08:16 PM (#4731984)
I also picked up M&B: Warband, which was on my wishlist for a long time. And managed to play it for 5 hours since.

The game is weird, but in a good way. All I want to do is run down peasants with a lance, but I can't afford a lance yet. The manual says "This manual is designed as a reference tool. New players should be able to get all the information they need on the basics within the game itself".

Since this is a Paradox (published, anyway) game, that is exactly as laughable as it sounds.
   486. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 08:40 PM (#4731992)
kickstarter sensation Star Citizen game when it comes out. Oh man that looks great.


That really does look ####### awesome. And supporting the game developers whose games I grew up loving is awesome as well.

Wish I had know he was doing a kickstarter, I totally would have thrown down much money for that.

Speaking of which, the kickstarter page for Star Citizen led me to this!

LORD BRITISH!

#### YEAH!!!
   487. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 08:46 PM (#4731997)
There's some other stuff for sale too but go look for yourself, I'm going to download Mount & Blade.


Hah, thanks for selling it!

I decided to splurge and spend the extra $3 to get: Mount & Blade, Mount & Blade: Warbands, Mount & Blade: With Fire & Sword, Mount & Blade: Spiral Knights.

Hell of a deal.

But then I noticed this and I was already distracted!

DAMN YOU STEAM, I'VE ALREADY GOT LIKE 10 GAMES IN MY BACKLOG!!!
   488. Poster Nutbag Posted: June 20, 2014 at 08:54 PM (#4732005)
Timing couldn't have been better for this years summer sale! Started on my bday and work will finally be winding down some for me in about 2 weeks or so. I'll get to have a good month or so of solid gaming before the new baby and the "bubble" arrives at work....I'll be hunting you down, YR, for some more fantastic multiplayer action!!! My favorite time of year has finally arrived!!!

P.S. Anybody play Plague Inc yet? I have the mobile version and enjoy it, but is it worth $10 on steam???
   489. Langer Monk Posted: June 20, 2014 at 08:56 PM (#4732007)
Also picked up the Mount and Blade package - I'd played the original for a short period of time a while back. Time to sink an hour or two into Warband.
   490. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 10:24 PM (#4732047)
I'll be hunting you down, YR, for some more fantastic multiplayer action!!!


I AIN'T A-FEARED OF YOU!

(congrats on the incoming baby, they're fun until they start singing songs from "Frozen")
   491. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 10:31 PM (#4732051)
But then I noticed this and I was already distracted!


Wow, that game looks like fun! Isometric action RPG with co-op, what's not to...$32????? Who do I look like, Scrooge McDuck?
   492. Paul d mobile Posted: June 20, 2014 at 10:35 PM (#4732052)
Is Spartan Assault any good?
   493. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 10:38 PM (#4732053)
Speaking of which, the kickstarter page for Star Citizen led me to this!


Color me intrigued. I've been an cRPG fan from way back, I'd like to see someone give the genre a bit of a shake-up and see if we can move away from Skyrom/Oblivion mechanics towards something different, even if it isn't wholly refined.
   494. Obo Posted: June 20, 2014 at 10:47 PM (#4732059)
Is the BTF steam group playing any multiplayer games these days? I haven't noticed any activity but perhaps I've just been online at the wrong times. (I never did finish BL2.)
   495. Poster Nutbag Posted: June 20, 2014 at 10:54 PM (#4732064)
Thanks YR! This is the third little "nutbag" I've unleashed on this world! Thankfully, the other two have avoided Frozen.

Obo: not that I am aware of, I've been MIA since tax season started and have been missing all the fun.


   496. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:51 AM (#4732107)
Work. Family. These are the enemies of PC gamers worldwide. This is the sort of oppression that drives people to accept 2 minutes of "Flappy Bird" on the toilet as an acceptable gaming experience.


It's why I have over 200 hours in PinballFX2. The games take about 15-20 minutes (though one epic run on a table lasted over an hour), and there is no memory/history required from the last game. It's hard to play something like XCom, Mass Effect, or Crusader Kings II if you can only get 15 minutes at a time, or a longer period at best once every 7-10 days. I want to jump back into those three games, but I think "I don't really have time for a long session...so a quick game of pinball should do it."

I look at the games I played before the baby (and contract job...both arrived within 2 months of each other), and I'm flabbergasted.
TF2: over 500 hours
L4D & L4D2 : over 700 hours combined
Battlefield Bad Company 2 : over 250 hours
MTG games: over 500 hours combined
Diablo 3: over 250 hours
(and about 100 more games in my Steam library...some of which have less than 5 hours on them, of course...not all are winners)

When the hell did I play all these games?
How did I have time for a job, watching sports, traveling, going to movies, watching junk TV with my wife, if I was playing games so much?

   497. DJS and the Infinite Sadness Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:47 AM (#4732115)
Steam Sales are the last thing I need. I already need to live to be 1000 to play everything.
   498. Poster Nutbag Posted: June 21, 2014 at 02:10 AM (#4732117)
I feel your pain....my backlog is plain stupid at this point....but I've made it my life's goal to have time for ALL of the games in my account! I'll have them put me on life support if necessary!!
   499. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 21, 2014 at 07:12 AM (#4732123)
congrats on the incoming baby, they're fun until they start singing songs from "Frozen"

I have so far managed to avoid this particular trap. But based on recent experiences with my 9 year old nephew, I am under the impression that being a parent is basically listening to "Everything is awesome, everything is cool when you're part of the team" on a 24 hour infinite loop.
   500. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 21, 2014 at 08:32 AM (#4732133)
Steam Sales are the last thing I need. I already need to live to be 1000 to play everything.


Good googly moogly!

I commend you on your taste in emulators. I don't suppose you ever got around to playing Gothic 4 so I won't ask you if it was any good.
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